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Giants 2017 Positional Breakdown: Wide Receivers

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 9:16 am
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Giants 2017 Positional Breakdown: Wide Receivers - ( New Window )
thanks Eric. These are really well done.  
Victor in CT : 7/7/2017 9:36 am : link
good luck fielding the "OBJ comments are confrontational" posts that are sure to follow :-)
RE: thanks Eric. These are really well done.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13521973 Victor in CT said:
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good luck fielding the "OBJ comments are confrontational" posts that are sure to follow :-)


Victor, I actually have a different take on Beckham (which I cover in the upcoming podcast). I don't see this as a team distraction (media and fan distraction, but I don't think the team is overly concerned). I also think Odell knows exactly what he is doing. He's playing the press, using them to generate publicity that is landing him big money (see Nike deal) and laughing all the way to the bank.
RE: RE: thanks Eric. These are really well done.  
Victor in CT : 7/7/2017 9:42 am : link
In comment 13521976 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13521973 Victor in CT said:


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good luck fielding the "OBJ comments are confrontational" posts that are sure to follow :-)



Victor, I actually have a different take on Beckham (which I cover in the upcoming podcast). I don't see this as a team distraction (media and fan distraction, but I don't think the team is overly concerned). I also think Odell knows exactly what he is doing. He's playing the press, using them to generate publicity that is landing him big money (see Nike deal) and laughing all the way to the bank.


Could be. He's not a dumb guy and he's very motivated to be successful. I just hope that OBJ Inc doesn't sink NYG LLC :-)
Victor  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 9:47 am : link
As I said in the preview, there is always going to be a media controversy with Beckham. The media will make sure of it. That bridge has been crossed and there is no going back.

IMO, the BIGGEST story line heading into camp on this team is this: what does Brandon Marshall have left in the tank?

If Marshall is anywhere near 2015 Brandon Marshall, then this offense is going to be sick. If he's no better than Victor Cruz, then we'll be sick.

Ereck Flowers and the OL is an important story line. The DT spot opposite Harrison. The kicker. Etc. But I think Marshall is the #1 thing to watch.
I agree Eric and would add Engram to that.If he is indeed that missing  
Victor in CT : 7/7/2017 10:09 am : link
seam threat and is just an adequate blocker they will be impossible to deal with.

The question that remains to be answered: if all this comes true, they have the 2015 model Marshall, Shepard takes the next step, Engram is the real deal, Vereen comes back and is productive, Perkins progresses, there is only 1 ball. How does OBJ react to "not getting enough looks" as they say?? If your theory is right, it shouldn't be a problem and the team success should be enough. But if it isn't and he's a true diva?..............
I think a major aspect deals with how McAdoo runs  
George from PA : 7/7/2017 10:27 am : link
Potentially a high octane offense.....with an strong and over powering defense.

If he takes the air out of offense like he did last year....because the defense was controlling the game....we might see some discontent.

A rising tide raises all boats.

All the WRs should have enough production if McAdoo plays it straight....let the offense dominant even when the defense is controlling game.

Will he play full throttle? I hope he does
Eric  
Ron Johnson : 7/7/2017 10:52 am : link
Any prediction on the practice squad for this group?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 10:57 am : link
In comment 13522063 Ron Johnson said:
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Any prediction on the practice squad for this group?


It's hard to know who will fade and shine in camp at this point. It's just a guessing game. But they would obviously want to keep the guys who just missed making the team. I would guess the front-runners for the 6th spot are Lewis, Powe, and Rudolph. So the two of those who didn't make it could be signed. That said, someone may surprise. What if the speedster Lane shows some promise? Teams always fall in love with speed.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 10:58 am : link
of the reasons they may want to hold onto a guy like Powe is that outside of Marshall, he's the only one with good size.

But clearly specials will determine the final spot. Barring injury, the #5 and #6 guys won't see the field other than specials. Hell, Dwayne Harris will probably hardly get any snaps.
RE: RE: thanks Eric. These are really well done.  
Fred-in-Florida : 7/7/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13521976 Eric from BBI said:
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good luck fielding the "OBJ comments are confrontational" posts that are sure to follow :-)



Victor, I actually have a different take on Beckham (which I cover in the upcoming podcast). I don't see this as a team distraction (media and fan distraction, but I don't think the team is overly concerned). I also think Odell knows exactly what he is doing. He's playing the press, using them to generate publicity that is landing him big money (see Nike deal) and laughing all the way to the bank.


Eric,

Can you tell me when the Podcasts are?

Also we plan on being in Ptown the night of Sept 8th. Would be great to get together again for diner!
No real analysis all that necessary.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/7/2017 11:37 am : link
On PAPER, BM, OBJ, SS are amongst the best in the league..Powe et al? We'll FIRST get a reasonable read once the pre-season games get going..
RE: RE: thanks Eric. These are really well done.  
Klaatu : 7/7/2017 11:53 am : link
In comment 13521976 Eric from BBI said:
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good luck fielding the "OBJ comments are confrontational" posts that are sure to follow :-)



Victor, I actually have a different take on Beckham (which I cover in the upcoming podcast). I don't see this as a team distraction (media and fan distraction, but I don't think the team is overly concerned). I also think Odell knows exactly what he is doing. He's playing the press, using them to generate publicity that is landing him big money (see Nike deal) and laughing all the way to the bank.


Egg-zackly. Nicely done, jefe.

What to make of Travis Rudolph fielding the majority of punts in the spring? I figure if the Giants are set on keeping Harris, then Rudolph is destined for the PS.

I really like Powe for special teams. He played a lot of them at Cal - and played them well - until he became a much bigger part of their offense, something I doubt will happen here unless...no, I won't even say it.
I just hope this offense moves the ball  
Doomster : 7/7/2017 11:54 am : link
in preseason, instead of waiting until the season starts....let's be ready to rock from the opening gun....
Fred-in-Florida  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 1:23 pm : link
We recorded the first yesterday, but still had issues with the phone connection. We're now shooting for next week on the first one.
Fred-in-Florida  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 1:23 pm : link
Keep us up to date on travel plans!
Personally... on Dwayne Harris...  
Johnny5 : 7/7/2017 3:20 pm : link
... he was really not good last year on specials. I have a feeling he is a bubble player this camp.
Don't know the cap hit, but Harris' status on this team  
Jimmy Googs : 7/7/2017 3:38 pm : link
shouldn't be taken for granted if he doesn't bring more to the punt return game.

With KOs going into the endzone so much and his need to help out in the passing game diminishing, he is an expensive luxury to have.



Harris is probably safe this year  
PEEJ : 7/7/2017 3:39 pm : link
due to his contract. Giants will be looking for his 2018 replacement
Harris  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2017 3:56 pm : link
was dealing with like 10 different injuries last year (seriously).
Agree on the injuries, but still have to justify his spot/salary  
Jimmy Googs : 7/7/2017 4:01 pm : link
in light of how we are truly utilizing him.

You get a rookie or UDFA that show themselves to be a reliable resource as a gunner/punt returner and Harris is exposed...
deep threat  
BigBlueWhale : 7/7/2017 4:54 pm : link
Interested to see what Tavarres King can bring. He lit it up in camp and preseason and then came through as a deep threat when given a chance. He always seemed to be the guy catching bombs in preseason practices.

The top 3 is set, but it's nice to be able to rotate King as a Wild Card who can stretch the field. We are going to be damn tough to stop this year.
If D. Harris is the team's KR/PR then Powe as the 6th WR  
SGMen : 7/7/2017 5:37 pm : link
makes sense. Otherwise, it is T. Rudolph who worked on KR in the OTA's as I understand it.

Marshall seems highly motivated. An 80-1000-10 would be a huge upgrade and would mean we are moving the chains.

And while Shepard may have less snaps this year, I think his actual production will be better, especially YAC. I see 12.5 on the same number of catches.
You have to hope  
giantgiantfan : 7/8/2017 1:23 am : link
between Marshall, Engram, and Shep at least one of them will make teams pay. Please for the love of god have an offense this year.
RE: You have to hope  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13522884 giantgiantfan said:
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between Marshall, Engram, and Shep at least one of them will make teams pay. Please for the love of god have an offense this year.
There is a video on ESPN that speaks to the best receivers on a team.

Tampa was one team mentioned and so was Green Bay. I think all of the top 5 teams are close in terms of talent.

So will our OL improve enough for us to truly take consistent advantage? Maybe...time will tell.
Hope Marshall can produce. No guarantee.  
Boy Cord : 7/8/2017 3:59 pm : link
Was hoping for Terelle Pryor. Although,not sure he and Beckham would have been a good fit. Actually, most likely a very bad fit.
RE: Hope Marshall can produce. No guarantee.  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13523205 Boy Cord said:
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Was hoping for Terelle Pryor. Although,not sure he and Beckham would have been a good fit. Actually, most likely a very bad fit.
Marshall is a physical freak whose game is predicated on size, power, leaping, route running and brute force more than quickness. He doesn't need to be 2015 but 80-1000-10 is possible, especially if Eli plays that quick hit pass offense which I suspect he'll be doing. Marshall will break at five yards and turn around hauling the ball in, lean for another yards or two.

And he'll be a redzone force you must contend with making things easier for everyone else.
79 catches by TEs, 3 tds  
5BowlsSoon : 7/8/2017 7:10 pm : link
Doesn't sound too shabby to me.
RE: 79 catches by TEs, 3 tds  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13523358 5BowlsSoon said:
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Doesn't sound too shabby to me.
Just 3 TD's? I'd be disappointed.

I'm thinking Engram has at least 5 TD's alone; Rhett has maybe 1 TD; Adams has 2 TD's; etc. We have some talent and we'll be using 1, 2 and even 3 TE alignments I bet it so opportunities will be there, watch.

The legend of T. King, is approaching that of  
Doomster : 7/9/2017 11:34 am : link
deep threat
BigBlueWhale : 7/7/2017 4:54 pm : link : reply
Interested to see what Tavarres King can bring. He lit it up in camp and preseason and then came through as a deep threat when given a chance. He always seemed to be the guy catching bombs in preseason practices.

The top 3 is set, but it's nice to be able to rotate King as a Wild Card who can stretch the field. We are going to be damn tough to stop this year.


Sky King(ok, you have to go a ways back to get it)......

I just do not understand the love affair many on BBI have for this guy....
RE: The legend of T. King, is approaching that of  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13523656 Doomster said:
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deep threat
BigBlueWhale : 7/7/2017 4:54 pm : link : reply
Interested to see what Tavarres King can bring. He lit it up in camp and preseason and then came through as a deep threat when given a chance. He always seemed to be the guy catching bombs in preseason practices.

The top 3 is set, but it's nice to be able to rotate King as a Wild Card who can stretch the field. We are going to be damn tough to stop this year.


Sky King(ok, you have to go a ways back to get it)......

I just do not understand the love affair many on BBI have for this guy....
I've thought of T. King as a "lock" since the first WR writeup by Eric where he asked who are our 5th and 6th wideouts. The wideouts MUST be able to play specials. I can see us go 5 wideouts though with Powe, Lewis, etc., on the PS (I think Lewis is eligible...).

OBJ, Marshall, Shepard, King, Harris are in my mind locks. King and Harris are too key on specials not to make it.

But you have to like King's deep speed. Insert him here and there and let him fly.
RE: The legend of T. King, is approaching that of  
Klaatu : 7/9/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13523656 Doomster said:
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deep threat
BigBlueWhale : 7/7/2017 4:54 pm : link : reply
Interested to see what Tavarres King can bring. He lit it up in camp and preseason and then came through as a deep threat when given a chance. He always seemed to be the guy catching bombs in preseason practices.

The top 3 is set, but it's nice to be able to rotate King as a Wild Card who can stretch the field. We are going to be damn tough to stop this year.


Sky King(ok, you have to go a ways back to get it)......

I just do not understand the love affair many on BBI have for this guy....



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