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DT Hankins loss: how much of a dropoff will we truly see?

SGMen : 7/7/2017 6:31 pm
Our only notable loss this off-season was DT Jonathan Hankins, who got a rich contract from Indy who had no choice as they were devoid of DL's.

How much of a dropoff will we see inside should DT R. Thomas start (I believe he wins the job) and J. Bromley rotate in? We'll possibly see rookie DT D. Tomlinson work in more as the season goes.

My thinking is that if the Giants though enough of DT Hankins we'd have kept him for the same money. That being said, the coaches must believe the dropoff isn't all that big really. Thoughts?
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RE: Can't answer that  
SGMen : 7/7/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13522817 UberAlias said:
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Because we have no idea what we have in D. Tomlinson. Bromley and others are at best a question mark. It is really hard to evaluate the impact of a DT unless you study the tape, know what you are looking at, and understand the defensive scheme. Glad to see so many here have these qualifications. I can't say I do. So my answer is: remains to be seen.
True, and this smart assessment brings me back to the coaches and staff not pursuing DT J. Hankins too hard in free agency: he wasn't overly good at the position he played.

I doubt they saw R. Thomas or J. Bromley as "equivalents" but I am thinking they didn't think they'd be a dramatic dropoff either. D. Tomlinson, though he spent 5 years at Alabama and their pro-style defense, still has a learning curve as noted by Spags. So it does remain to be seen where we are in the next 8 or so weeks. Many questions at DT outside of Snacks.

I mean, I would not be shocked if veteran Bryant beat out R. Thomas or J. Bromley? Nothing would surprise me as no one is super solid. D. Tomlinson does have the most upside though and I'm just making an educated guess that he'll be worked in as the year goes on. Too much talent and upside.
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compton : 7/7/2017 10:39 pm : link
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Hankins was not a superior player, and hasn't been for 2 years. Most overrated Giant in recent memory.

DT Hankins was better suited backing up Snacks and maybe playing spot DT duties next to him in rotation. But you don't pay a "back-up" that kind of money.

And again, I hope we get a compensatory pick for Hankins, a 5th or at worst a 6th would be nice.


Ah come on now. Hankins was much more than that. The guy was a solid starter.
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SGMen : 7/7/2017 10:42 pm : link
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Hankins was not a superior player, and hasn't been for 2 years. Most overrated Giant in recent memory.

DT Hankins was better suited backing up Snacks and maybe playing spot DT duties next to him in rotation. But you don't pay a "back-up" that kind of money.

And again, I hope we get a compensatory pick for Hankins, a 5th or at worst a 6th would be nice.



Ah come on now. Hankins was much more than that. The guy was a solid starter.
If you played Hankins where Snacks plays, he is solid as that is his natural position. But Snacks is the best there. The Giants had to make a choice not to overpay a guy who was maybe below average for the position he played.

I'm still going with veteran R. Thomas to start game 1; J. Bromely to back him up; R. Okwara and maybe D. Taylor moving inside on 3rd and must pass downs.
Not worried...  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/7/2017 11:03 pm : link
...he had one good year (2014) on an otherwise horrible defense. He never made any kind of difference.
I liked Hankins but really last season's performance was  
idinkido : 7/8/2017 6:15 am : link
The point is that Hankins is a competent Tackle and a line that has Snacks, JPP, and Vernon, all is needed is a competent player who can be relied on to do his job.
Not everyone on a team is a star. Teams are also made up of players who just do their job, being reliable, and being a complementary piece. I believe the Giants have the personnel needed to affectively replace Hankins and the Tomlinson pick was a wise choice.
Hankins was "MEH" last season  
idinkido : 7/8/2017 6:17 am : link
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I think we're all going to be surprised as to how well Robert Thomas  
No Where Man : 7/8/2017 7:23 am : link
will play in our defense. He is a physical load against the run.
It's a concern  
UConn4523 : 7/8/2017 7:42 am : link
but one that's manageable. Anytime you lose a starter there's going to be a question on how the void is filled, but I like our odds for 2 obvious reasons; Snacks and our success rate with young DTs.
I used to get very upset when Giants lost  
joeinpa : 7/8/2017 8:28 am : link
Significant players to free agency. Now. Unless it s anan L. T., Carson, Strahan type player, doesn't bother me too much

I ve learned most of these guys can be replaced.
Man, you really are something.  
Klaatu : 7/8/2017 8:38 am : link
Four days ago, in this thread, you said that you didn't think much of Robert Thomas and that you thought he would likely get cut, and that Corbin Bryant would make the team.

Now, you're predicting that Thomas will start next to Snacks (and no mention of Bryant at all).

So, what changed in the past four day?
Some Defensive Tackle thoughts  
Jimmy Googs : 7/8/2017 8:51 am : link
- I don't even recall R. Thomas playing last year. I think i read he had like 50 snaps but he often never dressed. So not sure why several of you have him as clear starter despite the depth chart.

- It didn't happen a lot, but when teams were running on the Giants on drives in the 2nd half of the season, you would often have seen Bromley on the field.

- Snacks often made comments the Giants need to re-sign Hankins. Not surprising, but wonder if he made the comment not b/c Hankins was the goods, but b/c the others really stink.

- Give Tomlinson a chance. And I mean early...
RE: Some Defensive Tackle thoughts  
Klaatu : 7/8/2017 9:13 am : link
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- I don't even recall R. Thomas playing last year. I think i read he had like 50 snaps but he often never dressed. So not sure why several of you have him as clear starter despite the depth chart.

- It didn't happen a lot, but when teams were running on the Giants on drives in the 2nd half of the season, you would often have seen Bromley on the field.

- Snacks often made comments the Giants need to re-sign Hankins. Not surprising, but wonder if he made the comment not b/c Hankins was the goods, but b/c the others really stink.

- Give Tomlinson a chance. And I mean early...


Thomas missed the first half of the season with an illness, but even when he was healthy he was used sparingly.

In the spring, though, Thomas and Bromley were splitting time with the first and second teams in both the base defense and the nickel. Tomlinson was relegated to the third team throughout the spring.
Thomas wasn't signed until September 3 last year  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/8/2017 9:17 am : link
then he got sick immediately and was out for almost a month. So things were pretty well stacked against him playing much early. They seem to really like him though.

That isn't to say that he is a starter. He bounced around a lot in his first year in the league. Hard to know what he is.
Got it. Lets see how long Tomlinson stays with 3rd team this summer.  
Jimmy Googs : 7/8/2017 9:20 am : link
And just to be clear, I wrote my post without taking the comments from another's writeup. So didn't warrant any acknowledgment of another poster.

:-)
Tomlinson  
annexOPR : 7/8/2017 9:53 am : link
"Prototypical Alabama defensive tackle who wins with leverage, power and technique. Tomlinson's powerful frame and ability to stack the run between the tackles could make him a scheme-flexible target in the draft. While he is likely to be drafted as a run bully, his history of operating in Alabama's stunt-and-twist-oriented defense could help keep him on the field on third downs for teams using a similar concept. Tomlinson has a chance to become an early starter and should work into a defensive line rotation immediately."

Hankins will not be missed. He wasn't even good last year. JPP/OV/Snacks and a tackling dummy would still be 1 of the best defensive lines in football.
Hey Klaatu & SGMen  
bigfish703 : 7/8/2017 12:32 pm : link
Let's drop it fellows. I always enjoy both of your contributions.
RE: Hey Klaatu & SGMen  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13523017 bigfish703 said:
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Let's drop it fellows. I always enjoy both of your contributions.
Amen, could not agree more.
RE: I think we're all going to be surprised as to how well Robert Thomas  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 1:17 pm : link
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will play in our defense. He is a physical load against the run.
If R. Thomas does step up and become a solid run stuffer we are set. I'd love for a great two-way player, sure, but you can't have everything.
To be completely honest, I don't think much of our DT's  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 1:23 pm : link
outside of Snacks and potentially D. Tomlinson, our "rookie" 2nd round pick.

As of today, I'm picking R. Thomas to start opening day mainly because he is a big body guy who knows the scheme. But would anyone on this thread be surprised if it was J. Bromley, D. Tomlinson or Bryant starting opening day? There really is no way to know right now.

I hope D. Tomlinson learns quickly and steps up to the starting role maybe post-bye?
I would not trade Beckham straight up ...  
annexOPR : 7/8/2017 1:27 pm : link
and honestly if they drafted A.Donald, I doubt they'd have spent so much on the current defensive line ... BUT

OV, Donald, Snacks, JPP ... teams would punt on 3rd and longs just to get off the field.

RE: Hey Klaatu & SGMen  
Klaatu : 7/8/2017 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13523017 bigfish703 said:
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Let's drop it fellows. I always enjoy both of your contributions.


I don't suffer fools lightly, and this clown in not only a fool, he's a plagiarist as well, and a repeat offender to boot.

As I told him once before when he pulled the same crap, the next original thought he has will be his first.
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SGMen : 7/8/2017 1:50 pm : link
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Let's drop it fellows. I always enjoy both of your contributions.



I don't suffer fools lightly, and this clown in not only a fool, he's a plagiarist as well, and a repeat offender to boot.

As I told him once before when he pulled the same crap, the next original thought he has will be his first.
I'm assuming you are a young teen, still learning life? You are disaparaging me with little merit? First, I apologized and second I said in the future I'll make sure I'll give credit. If you are not willing to accept either that is your choice but it is time to stop with the "this is not the first time" and this other childlike behavior. It isn't good for people who actually want to talk football rather than read through this dribble.
So I ask again, in the future I'll make sure I give you credit. Good enough? And yes, it is most likely I got the Indy comment from you but can tell you that because this is a fun football forum and not a college paper I didn't give a second thought to pointing you out as the idea provider.
Bashing people is not the way to live; it says a lot more about you than it does me and it really isn't necessary.
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Phil S : 7/8/2017 2:07 pm : link
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UNLESS something happens to Snacks.... then we would have a problem. If Snacks is good to go he will suck up double teams and the guy next to him will be fine.

The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.

Good point about the high draft pick. We'd have likely gone CB as this draft was strong at DB. But what is done is done, the Giants didn't work hard to keep him for a reason and that reason is that he just isn't as good as you'd hope.


Hankins was a classic salary cap casualty. The Giants would probably like to have kept him. However, with JPP, and several others, not to mention Beckham coming up he was not their highest priority.
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SGMen : 7/8/2017 2:16 pm : link
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UNLESS something happens to Snacks.... then we would have a problem. If Snacks is good to go he will suck up double teams and the guy next to him will be fine.

The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.

Good point about the high draft pick. We'd have likely gone CB as this draft was strong at DB. But what is done is done, the Giants didn't work hard to keep him for a reason and that reason is that he just isn't as good as you'd hope.



Hankins was a classic salary cap casualty. The Giants would probably like to have kept him. However, with JPP, and several others, not to mention Beckham coming up he was not their highest priority.
The Giants would have been willing to keep Hankins on the cheap, no doubt. He'd be the top backup to Snacks. I guess you can't have everything.
Slight downgrade to start the season...  
Torrag : 7/8/2017 3:06 pm : link
...which will disappear as Tomlinson earns more experience with reps.
RE: Slight downgrade to start the season...  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 3:18 pm : link
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...which will disappear as Tomlinson earns more experience with reps.
Pretty much my thinking too. D. Tomlinson may not "start" in the traditional sense this year as we'll be rotating an awful lot but he'll get more and more snaps as the year moves along.
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Jay on the Island : 7/8/2017 5:12 pm : link
Snacks might be the most important player on defense. If the Giants lose him for an extended period of time then the defense is in big trouble. I don't expect there to be much of a drop off from Hankins to Tomlinson. I am a little concerned that Tomlinson will hit the rookie wall later in the year but hopefully Bromley, Bryant, or Thomas play well enough to have a healthy rotation in order to keep both starters fresh. Let's hope that the offense plays as well as hoped so that they Snacks, Vernon, and JPP could rest when the Giants have a comfortable lead.
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SGMen : 7/8/2017 5:20 pm : link
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Snacks might be the most important player on defense. If the Giants lose him for an extended period of time then the defense is in big trouble. I don't expect there to be much of a drop off from Hankins to Tomlinson. I am a little concerned that Tomlinson will hit the rookie wall later in the year but hopefully Bromley, Bryant, or Thomas play well enough to have a healthy rotation in order to keep both starters fresh. Let's hope that the offense plays as well as hoped so that they Snacks, Vernon, and JPP could rest when the Giants have a comfortable lead.
The rookie wall usually hits kids that play a lot from game 1 forward. I think D. Tomlinson gets worked in slowly. He may not even be active the first few games.
As for DL rotation, it is a must so you aren't burnt out at the end of the year.
I am predicting way better time of possession this year by our offense which means our defense won't be on the field as much. That will be a good thing.
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Klaatu : 7/8/2017 5:21 pm : link
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Let's drop it fellows. I always enjoy both of your contributions.



I don't suffer fools lightly, and this clown in not only a fool, he's a plagiarist as well, and a repeat offender to boot.

As I told him once before when he pulled the same crap, the next original thought he has will be his first.

I'm assuming you are a young teen, still learning life? You are disaparaging me with little merit? First, I apologized and second I said in the future I'll make sure I'll give credit. If you are not willing to accept either that is your choice but it is time to stop with the "this is not the first time" and this other childlike behavior. It isn't good for people who actually want to talk football rather than read through this dribble.
So I ask again, in the future I'll make sure I give you credit. Good enough? And yes, it is most likely I got the Indy comment from you but can tell you that because this is a fun football forum and not a college paper I didn't give a second thought to pointing you out as the idea provider.
Bashing people is not the way to live; it says a lot more about you than it does me and it really isn't necessary.


Your apologies are for shit, as is most of the drivel you post. You never even acknowledged my 8:30 post from yesterday where I called you out for lifting my post re Cofield (from another thread) damn near verbatim. After I pressed the issue re Indy, you feigned ignorance (which, for you shouldn't take much feigning), threw out some snark, and then followed up with your standard I've been on this board a long time, I never had a problem with anybody, I'm so enlightened that I'm above the fray, blah, blah, blah. The same shit you said the last time I complained about your plagiarism (which, apparently, you've conveniently forgotten).

I don't bash "people." I bash a fool who does nothing but post the regurgitated opinions of others with no acknowledgement, and, apparently no shame about it, either.

Not only are you a fool, you're a disgrace, too.

You disappeared for a while. Do us all a favor and disappear again.
And yes, if we god forbid lost Snacks for any lengthy period of time  
SGMen : 7/8/2017 5:25 pm : link
We'd be in trouble in the middle. We'd regret not making an earnest effort to keep Hankins.

So let's pray Snacks plays his usual workload and excels much like last year.
Not much of a dropoff  
The Tempest : 7/9/2017 2:35 am : link
Because that is how good Damon Harrison has been. If Harrison is out well things change but Hankins wasn't the answer before we signed Harrison so things won't be catastrophic without Hankins. IMO Hankins had one good season and wasn't worth what he was paid to go elsewhere.
RE: Im not worried about it at all...  
Optimus-NY : 7/9/2017 3:08 am : link
In comment 13522651 ZGiants98 said:
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UNLESS something happens to Snacks.... then we would have a problem. If Snacks is good to go he will suck up double teams and the guy next to him will be fine.

The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.


THIS. Agree 100%.
It s amazing and kind of puzzling how much  
joeinpa : 7/9/2017 7:38 am : link
Attention is paid by some to what others have written in past posts, to the extent that they reference them to criticize in a personal way.

Maybe because I am the other extreme Paying no attention to who wrote what, but just casually check the site daily for Giants info, I can t relate to it.

But the teenage like "you said He said" banter here can be insufferable. Who the hell cares where someone gets info to share an opinion about the team we root for.
RE: It s amazing and kind of puzzling how much  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 8:51 am : link
In comment 13523532 joeinpa said:
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Attention is paid by some to what others have written in past posts, to the extent that they reference them to criticize in a personal way.

Maybe because I am the other extreme Paying no attention to who wrote what, but just casually check the site daily for Giants info, I can t relate to it.

But the teenage like "you said He said" banter here can be insufferable. Who the hell cares where someone gets info to share an opinion about the team we root for.
I feel the same way but will respect others wishes.
Iirc,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/9/2017 9:05 am : link
many on here felt we paid way too much for Snacks, given his "job" and that he was not the 2nd or even 3rd best on the Jets line..very few if any, opined that he was the best in the business at what he did..

How times have changed..GREAT, GREAT job Reese..
RE: Iirc,  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13523556 Big Blue '56 said:
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many on here felt we paid way too much for Snacks, given his "job" and that he was not the 2nd or even 3rd best on the Jets line..very few if any, opined that he was the best in the business at what he did..

How times have changed..GREAT, GREAT job Reese..
Clap, clap, agree completely BB'56 and must admit I thought we overpaid for all 3 major signings but knew we had too do it. We had the money and our defense was horrific.

Jenkins irked me most followed by Snacks and than Vernon.

Thankfully, it appears I was wrong.
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Big Blue '56 : 7/9/2017 9:22 am : link
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many on here felt we paid way too much for Snacks, given his "job" and that he was not the 2nd or even 3rd best on the Jets line..very few if any, opined that he was the best in the business at what he did..

How times have changed..GREAT, GREAT job Reese..

Clap, clap, agree completely BB'56 and must admit I thought we overpaid for all 3 major signings but knew we had too do it. We had the money and our defense was horrific.

Jenkins irked me most followed by Snacks and than Vernon.

Thankfully, it appears I was wrong.


I'm on record as loving all 3 signings..They were all young building blocks and moving forward, that was huge, imo..Did I think they'd perform as well as they did almost right out of the chute? No, but I "knew" (hoped) they were excellent signings..We had the money, so that didn't bother me one iota, especially given the age we live in and the outrageous amounts paid to FAs today..The market is the market, whether we agree or not
Who's this Hankins guy?  
PatersonPlank : 7/9/2017 9:24 am : link
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Big Blue '56 : 7/9/2017 9:28 am : link
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As you know, I loved the guy and was very sorry to see him go. He worked great with Snacks..I can understand, given the contract he received why he was not re-signed and am looking forward to what Tomlinson can do in tandem with Snacks..It's not as automatic, "plug almost anyone in next to Snacks and they'll do well" as many opined, imo..Regardless, hoping..
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SGMen : 7/9/2017 9:43 am : link
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As you know, I loved the guy and was very sorry to see him go. He worked great with Snacks..I can understand, given the contract he received why he was not re-signed and am looking forward to what Tomlinson can do in tandem with Snacks..It's not as automatic, "plug almost anyone in next to Snacks and they'll do well" as many opined, imo..Regardless, hoping..
I envision (or is it dream?) R. Thomas starting opening day with J. Bromley also getting some snaps.
I see R. Okwara and D. Taylor moving inside on 3rd and must pass downs.
As the season progresses, injuries tend to hit, and D. Tomlinson will become active and begin to see some snaps. At some point after the bye week, he may become the primary next to Snacks. But anyone who thinks he'll start opening day is being maybe a bit too overly optimistic?

Klaatu noted in another thread how Barry Cofield was the last rookie DL to start for the Giants and that was 2006. Linval Joseph, Jonathan Hankins, Markus Kuhn - none of them started as a rookie.

But being Tomlinson is from pro-style Alabama and was there 5 years (2 torn ACL's) he may pick things up faster and work his was into the starting lineup. But if we go 3 DT's on opening day they will be Snacks, Bromley and Thomas (or Bryant).
RE: It s amazing and kind of puzzling how much  
Klaatu : 7/9/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13523532 joeinpa said:
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Attention is paid by some to what others have written in past posts, to the extent that they reference them to criticize in a personal way.

Maybe because I am the other extreme Paying no attention to who wrote what, but just casually check the site daily for Giants info, I can t relate to it.

But the teenage like "you said He said" banter here can be insufferable. Who the hell cares where someone gets info to share an opinion about the team we root for.


Sorry, but I take a proprietary interest in what I post. I choose my words carefully, I do my research if research is called for, and I use the "Preview" function to check my work before posting. I also give credit to the work of others when it's due, using links, or putting words or phrases in quotes (with quotation marks or BBC Code).

I don't appreciate it when my work is "hijacked" by others without acknowledgement, and I refuse to just let it slide. To me, it's contemptible as well as unethical.
Again, I would not be surprised to see DT play a lot more early  
Jimmy Googs : 7/9/2017 10:17 am : link
than what is being considered by others here. Simply because his competition seem to be trending the wrong way in their respective careers and it may not take much to go from 3rd team to 1st team in that spot.

And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.

:-)
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SGMen : 7/9/2017 10:24 am : link
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than what is being considered by others here. Simply because his competition seem to be trending the wrong way in their respective careers and it may not take much to go from 3rd team to 1st team in that spot.

And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.

:-)
Thanks for keeping count Jimmy. I generally tend to post only before camp, during camp. Before last week, I barely posted. Its football season and enjoy good dialogue.
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Jimmy Googs : 7/9/2017 10:30 am : link
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than what is being considered by others here. Simply because his competition seem to be trending the wrong way in their respective careers and it may not take much to go from 3rd team to 1st team in that spot.

And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.

:-)

Thanks for keeping count Jimmy. I generally tend to post only before camp, during camp. Before last week, I barely posted. Its football season and enjoy good dialogue.


Fair enough and enjoy (especially my posts), but I will hold you to your promise.

:-)
None.  
BlackburnBalledOut : 7/9/2017 10:31 am : link
He really isnt a top notch DT, more of a B- grade player, IMO. I think his play excelled last season as a product of being a part of that line.

Whoever steps in , hopefully Tomlinson, will have the luxury of seeing the least amount of attention of the front 4 and should have the opportunity to replace the 40+ tackles and 3 sacks we got from big hank.

That production could come from other DL, not just the DT2. I dont see much of a drop off, however it plays out.


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SGMen : 7/9/2017 10:41 am : link
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than what is being considered by others here. Simply because his competition seem to be trending the wrong way in their respective careers and it may not take much to go from 3rd team to 1st team in that spot.

And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.

:-)

Thanks for keeping count Jimmy. I generally tend to post only before camp, during camp. Before last week, I barely posted. Its football season and enjoy good dialogue.



Fair enough and enjoy (especially my posts), but I will hold you to your promise.

:-)
Truth be told, after a 20-year military career, I just this year was officially diagnosed with what they call "Gulf War Illness" which is an umbrella term for chronic fatigue, firbomyalgia, sleep disorder, etc. 37 vials of blood work, Organic Acids test, Adrenal Saliva Fatigue test, etc. revealed I hit every bio-marker for Gulf War Illness. You treat it by removing all toxins from your home: cleaners, soaps, shampoos, detergents, etc. You drink clean, purified well water. You REST. I'm home all day right now with not much to do until this wave passes. It is what it is, you live with it. I was hit with a wave about this time last year too but they didn't have as much testing in place as they do now. I spent 6 full days at the War Related Informaton Study Center in East Orange, NJ Veteran's Hospital and the level of testing they did was unreal. I now have a working protocol to follow. This forum relaxes me along with Netflix. LOL
Klaatu  
joeinpa : 7/9/2017 11:22 am : link
Seems the serious posters here have high regard for what you share.

Using your input to add a new perspective is actually a form of flattery.
RE: Klaatu  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13523650 joeinpa said:
Quote:
Seems the serious posters here have high regard for what you share.

Using your input to add a new perspective is actually a form of flattery.
Good point!

And again, I don't take this forum seriously like I'd do with say a Doctorate paper (I never finished my doctorate but I gave it a try..LOL).
RE: Klaatu  
Klaatu : 7/9/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13523650 joeinpa said:
Quote:
Seems the serious posters here have high regard for what you share.

Using your input to add a new perspective is actually a form of flattery.


Joe, there are a number of posters here whom I really respect when it comes to football, in general, and Giants football, in particular. dorgan, B in ALB, robbieballs, blueblood, Joey in VA (although we can't stand each other), YANKEES28, KWALL2, and Eric, of course, just to name a few. I could list a dozen more at least.

However, I've never appropriated anything they've written, paraphrasing it to make it seem like it's my own, let alone quote them verbatim without acknowledgement. To me, "That's an infamia," as Don Zaluchi said to the rest of the Dons.

Sure, as the old proverb goes, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I understand that. But I draw a line between imitation and what I see as plagiarism, which again, to me, is reprehensible, regardless of where it turns up - in a manuscript, in a scholarly work, or on a message board.
Some insightful blurbs on the DT position in the Daily News article  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 12:44 pm : link
Along with a positive insight about QB Webb and his work ethic. You have to love any player who gives 110%.
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