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NFT: Mets at Cardinals Game 1

ZGiants98 : 7/7/2017 6:45 pm
So let's see... the Mets finally get a lopsided starting pitching matchup against the Nats in a night when they were resting Harper and the Mets lineup was full.... what happens? RAIN OUT! SOOO Mets 2017 season..... Oh well, Im still watching with some hope at least until we sell... Let's kick the Cardinals ass.

Cardinals Lineup

Matt Carpenter – 2B
Stephen Piscotty – RF
Dexter Fowler – CF
Jedd Gyoko – 3B
Yadier Molina – C
Luke Voit – 1B
Randal Grichuk – LF
Paul DeJong – SS
Carlos Martinez – RHP

Mets Lineup

Curtis Granderson – CF
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Yoenis Cespedes – LF
Jay Bruce – RF
T.J. Rivera – 3B
Lucas Duda – 1B
Jose Reyes – SS
Travis d’Arnaud – C
Jacob deGrom – RHP
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RE: RE: Nimmo  
SJGiant : 7/8/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13523086 Jay on the Island said:
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to the DL with partially collapsed lung.

WTF? when did that happen?

Conforto activated.


Probably happened when he heard about how much the Knicks gave Hardaway Jr.


Now this is a good response.
Edgin ...  
Stufftherun : 7/8/2017 7:06 pm : link
is pure garbage and a waste of a roster spot.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 7/8/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13522962 Jay on the Island said:
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You were right about RA Dickey. I gave up on him but then he has pitched very well over his the past 4 starts.
7IP 3H 1R 1BB 7K
6IP 6H 1R 3BB 4K
7IP 5H 1R 1BB 6K
7IP 3H 0R 1BB 6K
He is one of the main reasons why the Braves are hanging around.


Yup! I even said the Braves would hang around .500 until the all-star break with a chance of improving even further in the second half with some call ups. I pretty much nailed the division except for the Mets. lol
RE: Edgin ...  
ZGiants98 : 7/8/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13523356 Stufftherun said:
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is pure garbage and a waste of a roster spot.


I would pay hard earned money out of pocket to release Edgin, Salas, and Bradford. Neil Ramirez has been good the last few times out and has a history of success so maybe Warthen fixed him. Some of these guys are complete garbage though. Robles is coming off a couple of nice appearances in Vegas. Call him up.
Former Met prospect Akeel Morris  
Jay on the Island : 7/9/2017 10:21 am : link
Finally made his Braves debut last night.
Check out this slider  
Jay on the Island : 7/9/2017 11:29 am : link
from Marcus Stroman
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Cards found another stud in DeJong  
spike : 7/9/2017 3:30 pm : link
who was drafted in the fourth round in the 2015 draft.

Mets draft picks (esp position players) rarely pan out.
no innings limit for zack  
spike : 7/9/2017 3:50 pm : link
"Zack Wheeler apparently won’t face any innings restrictions during the second half of the season, a source tells Newsday’s Marc Carig. Wheeler is on pace for roughly 140 innings after missing all of 2015-16 recovering from Tommy John surgery,"
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RE: Cards found another stud in DeJong  
pjcas18 : 7/9/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13523782 spike said:
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who was drafted in the fourth round in the 2015 draft.

Mets draft picks (esp position players) rarely pan out.


I agree with this.

Yours truly,

Michael Conforto
Daniel Murphy
David Wright
Lucas Duda
(Dominic Smith on the cusp) (since 2000 draft).

in that same time frame Cards have Yadi Molina, Colby Rasmus, Matt Carpenter, Matt Adams, Kolten Wong, Steven Piscotty,and even include deJong though it's early to put him in Canton.

Unless I'm missing some superstars for the Cardinals doesn't scream to me wow those Cardinals are crazy good drafting position player and the Mets are so awful at it.

I'm not a draft expert like some of you but this is the last 17 years from my quick scan.

well you seem to have forgotten this Pujols guy  
MetsAreBack : 7/10/2017 10:24 am : link
.
Davidoff  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 10:47 am : link
thinks Rosario will be called up after the deadline. Strange rationale being the fans will have something to be excited for once the Mets deal the vets. I hope the dealing vets part is right more than I care about what date Rosario comes up.
RE: Davidoff  
spike : 7/10/2017 10:54 am : link
In comment 13524204 DanMetroMan said:
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thinks Rosario will be called up after the deadline. Strange rationale being the fans will have something to be excited for once the Mets deal the vets. I hope the dealing vets part is right more than I care about what date Rosario comes up.

I knew Wilpons were waiting to use Rosario as a ploy to boost ticket sales once they are officially out of it. Stupid owners.

Work the phones, Sandy. Lots of AL teams are still in the race
RE: RE: Cards found another stud in DeJong  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 10:57 am : link
In comment 13523920 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13523782 spike said:


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who was drafted in the fourth round in the 2015 draft.

Mets draft picks (esp position players) rarely pan out.



I agree with this.

Yours truly,

Michael Conforto
Daniel Murphy
David Wright
Lucas Duda
(Dominic Smith on the cusp) (since 2000 draft).

in that same time frame Cards have Yadi Molina, Colby Rasmus, Matt Carpenter, Matt Adams, Kolten Wong, Steven Piscotty,and even include deJong though it's early to put him in Canton.

Unless I'm missing some superstars for the Cardinals doesn't scream to me wow those Cardinals are crazy good drafting position player and the Mets are so awful at it.

I'm not a draft expert like some of you but this is the last 17 years from my quick scan.


PJ not looking to argue Mets vs. Cardinals but 2 points

#1 Yadi Molina is likely a future HOFER
#2 Not really sure why but Matt Carpenter is beyond underrated. He's one of the best players in baseball by almost any measure. Since his breakout 2013 season he's 15th in fWAR barely trailing Robinson Cano and Anthony Rizz0

#3 Jon Jay belongs on there. He's not a great player by any stretch but career 104 OPS+ 3 seasons of 2+ fWAR, 3.5 in 2012
RE: RE: RE: Cards found another stud in DeJong  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 11:00 am : link
In comment 13524217 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13523920 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 13523782 spike said:


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who was drafted in the fourth round in the 2015 draft.

Mets draft picks (esp position players) rarely pan out.



I agree with this.

Yours truly,

Michael Conforto
Daniel Murphy
David Wright
Lucas Duda
(Dominic Smith on the cusp) (since 2000 draft).

in that same time frame Cards have Yadi Molina, Colby Rasmus, Matt Carpenter, Matt Adams, Kolten Wong, Steven Piscotty,and even include deJong though it's early to put him in Canton.

Unless I'm missing some superstars for the Cardinals doesn't scream to me wow those Cardinals are crazy good drafting position player and the Mets are so awful at it.

I'm not a draft expert like some of you but this is the last 17 years from my quick scan.




PJ not looking to argue Mets vs. Cardinals but 2 points

#1 Yadi Molina is likely a future HOFER
#2 Not really sure why but Matt Carpenter is beyond underrated. He's one of the best players in baseball by almost any measure. Since his breakout 2013 season he's 15th in fWAR barely trailing Robinson Cano and Anthony Rizz0

#3 Jon Jay belongs on there. He's not a great player by any stretch but career 104 OPS+ 3 seasons of 2+ fWAR, 3.5 in 2012


No argument from me even if you recognize Molina's HOF path (which sadly Wright was on pre-injury), Carpenter's underrated status and add Jon Jay, the disparity while acknowledged isn't one that seems as stark as spike was making it seem.

RE: RE: Davidoff  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 11:03 am : link
In comment 13524212 spike said:
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In comment 13524204 DanMetroMan said:


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thinks Rosario will be called up after the deadline. Strange rationale being the fans will have something to be excited for once the Mets deal the vets. I hope the dealing vets part is right more than I care about what date Rosario comes up.


I knew Wilpons were waiting to use Rosario as a ploy to boost ticket sales once they are officially out of it. Stupid owners.

Work the phones, Sandy. Lots of AL teams are still in the race


I just hope they actually sell off players. They are awful and have no shot at making the playoffs. Don't sell us BS. Sell off, please.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 11:06 am : link
generally find myself to be pessimistic with my teams and disagree with those that are overly optimistic but it sure seems like 90% of Mets fans realize this is a lost season. I haven't seen too many people advocating buying or "they will make a run!"
Whats the ETA on Nido?  
spike : 7/10/2017 11:10 am : link
Im sick of TDa. I hope we sign a Wieter type to hold spot until Nido takes over as starter
RE: Whats the ETA on Nido?  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13524231 spike said:
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Im sick of TDa. I hope we sign a Wieter type to hold spot until Nido takes over as starter


Nido had an awful start to his season, hot may, poor June. He's likely not in the mix for anything until this time next year.
I wonder if the Mets  
Metnut : 7/10/2017 11:15 am : link
can low-ball Lucroy on a "prove it" type of deal and sign him this offseaosn and hope for a bounce back.

He's really stunk this year and cost himself millions of dollars.
RE: I wonder if the Mets  
Jay on the Island : 7/10/2017 11:20 am : link
In comment 13524238 Metnut said:
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can low-ball Lucroy on a "prove it" type of deal and sign him this offseaosn and hope for a bounce back.

He's really stunk this year and cost himself millions of dollars.

I still think that he is going to get a big contract this off-season. Catchers are so hard to find and he is young enough where teams will likely bet on him bouncing back.
Dominic  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 11:27 am : link
Smith leads the minor leagues in hits. Not the PCL, not AAA, the minors at every level (not to mention his .882 OPS.

Rosario not far behind him in hits and in his own right is OPS-ing .839.

For the record, Lucas Duda 22 year old season was in STL (Advanced A ball) and he OPS'd .755

Of course Vegas has it's advantages (of which I have railed against on here) and Duda definitely had a more projectible power frame at 6'4 255 but my point is I am not worried about Smith's power I think it's time to deal Duda, Cabrera and ideally Reyes, and call up Smith and Rosario.

changing of the guard time.
Toronto  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 11:36 am : link
has Vlad's son and Bichette's son and both look like absolute studs.
I wouldn't break the bank  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 11:38 am : link
for Lucroy though the Mets should have a lot of cash this off-season if they're willing to spend it.

Half the Mets fans on this site were clamoring for the Mets to trade for Vogt and he was flat out waived by Oakland and claimed by the Brewers.

I'd stick with Rivera and TDA, unless a surefire option presents itself. There are like 8 catchers in all of baseball with a > 1.5 WAR.

and right now TDA = Lucroy, both awful.



RE: Toronto  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13524261 DanMetroMan said:
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has Vlad's son and Bichette's son and both look like absolute studs.


I have to admit it's a little frustrating the Mets aren't ever in on the can't miss bidding war guys like Vlad jr.

You will miss on some of them, no doubt about it, but I think fans get that and for a team like the Mets it shouldn't be as catastrophic for legit small market teams to miss on an overpaid IFA. trust your scouts, and get aggressive.

RE: Davidoff  
Shecky : 7/10/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13524204 DanMetroMan said:
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thinks Rosario will be called up after the deadline. Strange rationale being the fans will have something to be excited for once the Mets deal the vets. I hope the dealing vets part is right more than I care about what date Rosario comes up.

They aren't bringing him into this environment yet, that's all it is. Nothing to do with tickets, that's silly.
Unfuckingbelievable  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 11:48 am : link
Jordan Humphreys MRI scheduled for his elbow? Unreal
RE: Unfuckingbelievable  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 11:55 am : link
In comment 13524276 DanMetroMan said:
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Jordan Humphreys MRI scheduled for his elbow? Unreal


this is a season from hell.

was there ever a diagnosis on Szapucki?
Szapucki  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 11:57 am : link
no update as of yet, Humphreys MRI on elbow, shoulder surgery for Planck. Sweet week.
Barwised  
spike : 7/10/2017 11:57 am : link
.
A recap  
Jay on the Island : 7/10/2017 12:11 pm : link
of last nights future game.
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RE: A recap  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13524301 Jay on the Island said:
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of last nights future game. Link - ( New Window )


LOL, you're like me on hockey threads trying to get any Canadiens talk I can squeezed in.
Trading desk should be open  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 12:25 pm : link
IMO
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MetsBlog.com‏ @metsblog 11s12 seconds ago

Noah Syndergaard, Matt Harvey not close to returning from disabled list http://dlvr.it/PTZgVg
.  
arcarsenal : 7/10/2017 12:42 pm : link
Welp - if there was even a fraction of a glimmer of hope for this season, it's officially out the window now.

3 weeks til camp? Something like that?
RE: RE: A recap  
Jay on the Island : 7/10/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13524313 pjcas18 said:
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of last nights future game. Link - ( New Window )



LOL, you're like me on hockey threads trying to get any Canadiens talk I can squeezed in.

Honestly I am just a huge fan of prospects and I am a huge fan of Kopech's as well.
RE: Trading desk should be open  
Jay on the Island : 7/10/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13524314 pjcas18 said:
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IMO

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MetsBlog.com‏ @metsblog 11s12 seconds ago

Noah Syndergaard, Matt Harvey not close to returning from disabled list http://dlvr.it/PTZgVg


It will be interesting to see what the Mets do with Harvey. Is there a chance that they decline his option?
He is in his final year of arbitration  
spike : 7/10/2017 1:28 pm : link
This off season
Mets would be silly to  
Metnut : 7/10/2017 1:42 pm : link
decline Harvey's option IMO. There's a chance he's good again next year and Mets need as many pitchers as they can get if they are going to try and contend in 2018.
With Gsellmen  
Metnut : 7/10/2017 1:43 pm : link
looking shot all year, Wheeler crashing hard lately, Matz always an injury risk, Thor missing most of this year with an injury (although I think he beasts it in 2018) and Lugo having a torn arm ligament, the Mets could use another lottery ticket SP (which is what Harvey is at this point).

It's not just the pitching  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 1:57 pm : link
the Mets are DFL in infield defense and DFL in team defense (and I'll caveat this with I'm still not a defensive metrics guy, but the eye test is obvious).

Hard to see the column headers but take my word for it.

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Replying to @NYPost_Brazille

Our metric has them last in team defense (not just infield)


We had to expect the Mets  
Metnut : 7/10/2017 2:07 pm : link
defense to be pretty bad this year. I know some people defended the defense in the spring, but they are pretty minus or "neutral" everywhere aside from Cespedes in the corner and well.... that hasn't worked out.

We could've still contended with the bad defense though. It's the pitching (as we all know) that's destroyed us.
bad defense  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 2:10 pm : link
expected, dead last in the league, not expected.

of course as many people mentioned the fate of the team lived and died with starting pitching, but defense being worst in the league certainly doesn't help.
RE: bad defense  
Metnut : 7/10/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13524479 pjcas18 said:
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expected, dead last in the league, not expected.

of course as many people mentioned the fate of the team lived and died with starting pitching, but defense being worst in the league certainly doesn't help.


I think we can be better here in 2018. Rosario will be a huge upgrade at SS, even with the expected rookie growing pains. Getting rid of Bruce (maybe the worst OF defensively in MLB) and Granderson and replacing with Conforto/Lagares/Nimmo is an upgrade. Duda is solid at first, but Smith should be better. If 2B/3B/C is Flores/Rivera/TDA then we don't really get better but we might be able to upgrade there in the offseason.
I'm almost  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:10 pm : link
positive the Mets will not go into the 2018 season with Flores and TJ as the 2B/3B starters.

TDA very possibly starts at C though.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:15 pm : link
thought Cecchini was a lock to be the 2b next season but he's had a shitty first half. If he has a solid second half I suspect they will go with him and maybe some glorified "proven" utility guy. I can't imagine going with 3 unproven rookies (Smith, Rosario, Cecchini) without a safety net but this is the Mets...
RE: I  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13524546 DanMetroMan said:
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thought Cecchini was a lock to be the 2b next season but he's had a shitty first half. If he has a solid second half I suspect they will go with him and maybe some glorified "proven" utility guy. I can't imagine going with 3 unproven rookies (Smith, Rosario, Cecchini) without a safety net but this is the Mets...


I still Cecchini should be a lock with a strong second half, he's been pretty hot lately.

I get the feeling of you can't do that (Smith, Rosario, and Cecchini), but with Flores and TJ as backups they have some veteran presence and if they can't trade Cabrera his option is a good price and he's really a good utility option.

if he wasn't so prickly about it.
While  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:24 pm : link
hitting "better" Cecchini has still been very disappointing this season. His OPS in June was .721, July .733 so he's hitting some singles but considering the league it's still pretty crappy.
For  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:26 pm : link
comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136
RE: For  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13524556 DanMetroMan said:
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comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136


I hate Vegas. Look at Plawecki (especially his H/A splits).

No clue why Cecchini isn't hitting (my guess being a Met it's probably injury related), but I'd still make him the favorite for 2B.

RE: RE: For  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13524560 pjcas18 said:
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comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136



I hate Vegas. Look at Plawecki (especially his H/A splits).

No clue why Cecchini isn't hitting (my guess being a Met it's probably injury related), but I'd still make him the favorite for 2B.


Unless they acquire someone.
RE: RE: For  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13524560 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13524556 DanMetroMan said:


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comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136



I hate Vegas. Look at Plawecki (especially his H/A splits).

No clue why Cecchini isn't hitting (my guess being a Met it's probably injury related), but I'd still make him the favorite for 2B.


No disagreement here. Just surprised with the first half he had. I expected him to mash.
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