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NFT: Mets at Cardinals Game 1

ZGiants98 : 7/7/2017 6:45 pm
So let's see... the Mets finally get a lopsided starting pitching matchup against the Nats in a night when they were resting Harper and the Mets lineup was full.... what happens? RAIN OUT! SOOO Mets 2017 season..... Oh well, Im still watching with some hope at least until we sell... Let's kick the Cardinals ass.

Cardinals Lineup

Matt Carpenter – 2B
Stephen Piscotty – RF
Dexter Fowler – CF
Jedd Gyoko – 3B
Yadier Molina – C
Luke Voit – 1B
Randal Grichuk – LF
Paul DeJong – SS
Carlos Martinez – RHP

Mets Lineup

Curtis Granderson – CF
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Yoenis Cespedes – LF
Jay Bruce – RF
T.J. Rivera – 3B
Lucas Duda – 1B
Jose Reyes – SS
Travis d’Arnaud – C
Jacob deGrom – RHP
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arcarsenal : 7/10/2017 12:42 pm : link
Welp - if there was even a fraction of a glimmer of hope for this season, it's officially out the window now.

3 weeks til camp? Something like that?
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Jay on the Island : 7/10/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13524313 pjcas18 said:
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of last nights future game. Link - ( New Window )



LOL, you're like me on hockey threads trying to get any Canadiens talk I can squeezed in.

Honestly I am just a huge fan of prospects and I am a huge fan of Kopech's as well.
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Jay on the Island : 7/10/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13524314 pjcas18 said:
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MetsBlog.com‏ @metsblog 11s12 seconds ago

Noah Syndergaard, Matt Harvey not close to returning from disabled list http://dlvr.it/PTZgVg


It will be interesting to see what the Mets do with Harvey. Is there a chance that they decline his option?
He is in his final year of arbitration Β 
spike : 7/10/2017 1:28 pm : link
This off season
Mets would be silly to Β 
Metnut : 7/10/2017 1:42 pm : link
decline Harvey's option IMO. There's a chance he's good again next year and Mets need as many pitchers as they can get if they are going to try and contend in 2018.
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Metnut : 7/10/2017 1:43 pm : link
looking shot all year, Wheeler crashing hard lately, Matz always an injury risk, Thor missing most of this year with an injury (although I think he beasts it in 2018) and Lugo having a torn arm ligament, the Mets could use another lottery ticket SP (which is what Harvey is at this point).

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pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 1:57 pm : link
the Mets are DFL in infield defense and DFL in team defense (and I'll caveat this with I'm still not a defensive metrics guy, but the eye test is obvious).

Hard to see the column headers but take my word for it.

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Our metric has them last in team defense (not just infield)


We had to expect the Mets Β 
Metnut : 7/10/2017 2:07 pm : link
defense to be pretty bad this year. I know some people defended the defense in the spring, but they are pretty minus or "neutral" everywhere aside from Cespedes in the corner and well.... that hasn't worked out.

We could've still contended with the bad defense though. It's the pitching (as we all know) that's destroyed us.
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pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 2:10 pm : link
expected, dead last in the league, not expected.

of course as many people mentioned the fate of the team lived and died with starting pitching, but defense being worst in the league certainly doesn't help.
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Metnut : 7/10/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13524479 pjcas18 said:
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expected, dead last in the league, not expected.

of course as many people mentioned the fate of the team lived and died with starting pitching, but defense being worst in the league certainly doesn't help.


I think we can be better here in 2018. Rosario will be a huge upgrade at SS, even with the expected rookie growing pains. Getting rid of Bruce (maybe the worst OF defensively in MLB) and Granderson and replacing with Conforto/Lagares/Nimmo is an upgrade. Duda is solid at first, but Smith should be better. If 2B/3B/C is Flores/Rivera/TDA then we don't really get better but we might be able to upgrade there in the offseason.
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pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:10 pm : link
positive the Mets will not go into the 2018 season with Flores and TJ as the 2B/3B starters.

TDA very possibly starts at C though.
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DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:15 pm : link
thought Cecchini was a lock to be the 2b next season but he's had a shitty first half. If he has a solid second half I suspect they will go with him and maybe some glorified "proven" utility guy. I can't imagine going with 3 unproven rookies (Smith, Rosario, Cecchini) without a safety net but this is the Mets...
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pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13524546 DanMetroMan said:
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thought Cecchini was a lock to be the 2b next season but he's had a shitty first half. If he has a solid second half I suspect they will go with him and maybe some glorified "proven" utility guy. I can't imagine going with 3 unproven rookies (Smith, Rosario, Cecchini) without a safety net but this is the Mets...


I still Cecchini should be a lock with a strong second half, he's been pretty hot lately.

I get the feeling of you can't do that (Smith, Rosario, and Cecchini), but with Flores and TJ as backups they have some veteran presence and if they can't trade Cabrera his option is a good price and he's really a good utility option.

if he wasn't so prickly about it.
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DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:24 pm : link
hitting "better" Cecchini has still been very disappointing this season. His OPS in June was .721, July .733 so he's hitting some singles but considering the league it's still pretty crappy.
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DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:26 pm : link
comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136
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pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13524556 DanMetroMan said:
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comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136


I hate Vegas. Look at Plawecki (especially his H/A splits).

No clue why Cecchini isn't hitting (my guess being a Met it's probably injury related), but I'd still make him the favorite for 2B.

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pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13524560 pjcas18 said:
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comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136



I hate Vegas. Look at Plawecki (especially his H/A splits).

No clue why Cecchini isn't hitting (my guess being a Met it's probably injury related), but I'd still make him the favorite for 2B.


Unless they acquire someone.
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DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13524560 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13524556 DanMetroMan said:


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comparisons sake

Smith May .881
Smith June .794
Smith July 1.115

Rosario May .890
Rosario June .644
Rosario July 1.136



I hate Vegas. Look at Plawecki (especially his H/A splits).

No clue why Cecchini isn't hitting (my guess being a Met it's probably injury related), but I'd still make him the favorite for 2B.


No disagreement here. Just surprised with the first half he had. I expected him to mash.
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