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NFT: Knicks Chat - Melo to Houston Very Likely

adamg : 7/8/2017 3:16 pm
Per my twitter beat writer crush Big Baby.

Also said Lee has heard he'll be moved if Hardaway goes through unless Melo deal happens. Thoughts on keeping Lee if Melo is flipped?
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RE: He didn't take a step back  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13523875 hitdog42 said:
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He hired the big name to make a big splash and in the end the big name only wanted money and to keep Kurt rambis with job security

The guy he hired didn't change
anything ( Jackson)


that doesnt matter to dolan, for 3 and a half years he was not public enemy number 1, phil jackson was...

that is all he cares about, he doesnt care about the team winning, he cares about his name not being on the back page...

phil jackson was his shield, doesnt matter if jackson was horrible
In Kristops and Frank plus next years pick we trust  
DennyInDenville : 7/9/2017 4:55 pm : link
#Big3

Part of the problem  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 4:55 pm : link
is the Garden is filled with non-Knicks fans. Tourists, Wall Street dipshits, celebrities - Leslie Jones isn't watching YouTube videos of Ntilikina and Monk prior to the draft. She'll just go cheer the uniform and get herself on camera.
nets are probably one of the best run organizations right now  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2017 4:56 pm : link
culture wise, how many big name free agents want to go there? no offense to nets fans but until they get a player to build around no player will go there...

RE: nets are probably one of the best run organizations right now  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13523885 nygiants16 said:
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culture wise, how many big name free agents want to go there? no offense to nets fans but until they get a player to build around no player will go there...


this is in response to mook saying dolan is the reason free agents wont come...

RE: Knicks fans  
yatqb : 7/9/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13523879 MookGiants said:
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need to mass boycott. It would actually work. Dolan would be removed if the stock tanked because the building was half empty for a couple years.

It's never going to happen, but because they are publicly traded a mass boycott would actually work.


I'm guessing that the Dolan family owns more than 50% of the stock, and if that's true he's not gonna get ousted. And Dolan doesn't give a shit about money lost, so a boycott will likely do nothing to change him. Like another famous man, he's so narcissistic that he couldn't care less what other people think or feel.
RE: I'm very uncomfortable  
Anakim : 7/9/2017 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13523732 Chris684 said:
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about the fact we passed on Smith Jr.


Same. Smith Jr. looks like a real player so far. I hope Frank balls out.
I think I've finally come to the point that I'm gonna be a Spurs fan.  
yatqb : 7/9/2017 5:12 pm : link
They may not win for a long time, but they run their team the right way.

I can see myself thinking of the Knicks with the same wistfulness I might have felt for a long time lover after we broke up.

Pathetic, but I'm not gonna root for a mismanaged shit show like this any longer.
RE: RE: RE: no big time free agent  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2017 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13523865 MookGiants said:
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LeBron came back because he loved Cleveland and wanted to win a title for his hometown.

If he wasn't from Cleveland, he never even thinks about it.

And Dolan is a significantly worse owner than Gilbert.

Players don't come here. One did and he wasn't coming unless the Knicks traded for him because he wasnt waiting until free agency.

Years and years of striking out on free agents. Players don't want to come here because of Dolan. He has created an awful toxic environment around the Knicks that no players want any part of


I realize you're pissed, but this is all bullshit (no offense). If the Knicks get lucky in the draft (and the lottery is quite simply about luck), procure talent, and have cap space, players will come here. To say otherwise is really silly. And I would argue that the Cleveland Cavaliers haven't been run any better than the Knicks. They've just beyond all comprehension managed to get lucky in the lottery 4 times in 12 years, despite only having the worst record once during that span. They were run so poorly after they got LeBron, that he left.Because of Irving, the asset of Wiggins, and salary cap space, LeBron James decided to go back to Cleveland and play for the idiot who wrote "The Letter". And they're being run so poorly now that LeBron is going to leave again.

Yes, the Knicks suck and there's no denying that. But players aren't going anyplace with a bad team, so to single out Dolan or the Knicks is pointless.
RE: RE: Good look or not. Why is everyone so sure griffin will be great  
TyreeHelmet : 7/9/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13523830 DanMetroMan said:
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I fail to see how he's sure fire. He had Kyrie. Landed the top pic, and traded it for love. Who the cava seemingly want out. And who he would have shipped out. Traded for old washed up players. Frye Korver added demon Williams. And lucked into having a once in a lifetime player grow up in Cleveland and be willing to come back.

Look at some of the contracts he handed out as well



It's not about Griffin (for me) it's about balking at letting him replace Dolan's cronies.


Spot on Dan. This is the issue to me. I wasn't sold on Griffin as this savior but this is why the Knicks lose. Even Phil Jackson only brought on 1 person (Gaines) to the front office. The Dolan cronies will survive no matter what.

It's why I wanted Ujiri. He has the gravitas to truly be a president and clean house. This is the most ass backwards franchise ever. How can you not let a GM bring in his own staff? It's almost like not letting the head coach hire his own staff or run his own offense. Oh wait the Knicks already do that.

Knicks are by far the worst run team in the NBA. Utterly pathetic.
Knicks got lucky in the draft with KP  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 5:21 pm : link
and are in the process of ruining him. A once-in-a-lifetime player like Lebron can overcome anything, but you typically need to mix top talent with good coaching and solid organizational structure. Larry Brown, Mike D'Antoni and Phil Jackson all seemed pretty smart before they got here. Forget David Griffin - we need a priest to exorcise these demons.
Funny how everyone  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2017 5:25 pm : link
Got in me for criticizing the draft pick. But smith and Mitchell were such safer picks and they look very legit. Frank looked average against awful competition and is - non athletic point guard. That just doesn't work in today's nba. I am hoping for the best but I know the best he will bring will be well short of a superstar. It's fine that everyone else has this false hope, but if you watch tape of him it's very obvious to see
RE: Funny how everyone  
Jon in NYC : 7/9/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13523909 GMEN46 said:
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Got in me for criticizing the draft pick. But smith and Mitchell were such safer picks and they look very legit. Frank looked average against awful competition and is - non athletic point guard. That just doesn't work in today's nba. I am hoping for the best but I know the best he will bring will be well short of a superstar. It's fine that everyone else has this false hope, but if you watch tape of him it's very obvious to see


I trust your draft analysis as much as I trust Dolan running the Knicks.
Also,  
Jon in NYC : 7/9/2017 5:27 pm : link
Smith has looked great going 1:1 and getting to the basket, and pretty brutal at everything else.

We knew that.
Everyone knows Smith has star qualities.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 5:29 pm : link
It's his knees that concern people. And if you want to carry the flag for Donovan Mitchell, go ahead. Playing in Utah, he'll need all the attention he can get.
Organization is FUBAR  
ghost718 : 7/9/2017 5:36 pm : link
Stevie Mills made him an offer he couldn't comprehend
RE: In Kristops and Frank plus next years pick we trust  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/9/2017 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13523883 DennyInDenville said:
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#Big3

Who is Kristops?
I'm at the point that I hope that KP forces his way out of here.  
yatqb : 7/9/2017 5:38 pm : link
He seems like a nice kid, and he deserves better, as do we all. Blasphemy, right? But I'm SO fed up with Dolan.
RE: Knicks fans  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/9/2017 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13523879 MookGiants said:
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need to mass boycott. It would actually work. Dolan would be removed if the stock tanked because the building was half empty for a couple years.

It's never going to happen, but because they are publicly traded a mass boycott would actually work.

No, he wouldn't. In fact, he's actively trying to re-privatize the company. Besides, he (and the Dolan family trust) control the voting interest by a wide margin - he's not getting removed.
I can't blame anyone for forcing their way outta here.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 5:42 pm : link
Everyone brings up the money he'll be leaving on the table, but money isn't everything. The Knicks have an opportunity to build a good young team over the next couple of years - if they fail this time, when will they ever get it right?
RE: I can't blame anyone for forcing their way outta here.  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2017 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13523927 bceagle05 said:
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Everyone brings up the money he'll be leaving on the table, but money isn't everything. The Knicks have an opportunity to build a good young team over the next couple of years - if they fail this time, when will they ever get it right?


this is the most troubling part of this, we now know no one competeting is going to take the job..

sad part is knicks have sone good guys in this front office but they are overshadowed by morons
Who didn't see Griffin pulling out after the personnel request  
widmerseyebrow : 7/9/2017 6:52 pm : link
If Phil Jackson couldn't get Dolan to remove those clowns, how was Griffin going to?
RE: I'm at the point that I hope that KP forces his way out of here.  
widmerseyebrow : 7/9/2017 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13523922 yatqb said:
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He seems like a nice kid, and he deserves better, as do we all. Blasphemy, right? But I'm SO fed up with Dolan.


At this point is there any doubt he goes elsewhere when he's eligible for free agency?
Another day without a Melo trade.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 8:01 pm : link
It'll be hilarious when Houston bails out and trades for someone else.
It takes a special idiot to not recognize that the current  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/9/2017 8:17 pm : link
management is clueless and detrimental to the future of the team.

Apparently Dolan doesn't read the press and doesn't realize that the Knicks are a laughingstock. The only way is to go to games and chant "fire Mills" or something like that.

Dolan is that big of an idiot.
RE: It takes a special idiot to not recognize that the current  
robbieballs2003 : 7/9/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13523966 Jim in Hoboken said:
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management is clueless and detrimental to the future of the team.

Apparently Dolan doesn't read the press and doesn't realize that the Knicks are a laughingstock. The only way is to go to games and chant "fire Mills" or something like that.

Dolan is that big of an idiot.


That will never work. Dolan has basically said in so many words that the fans are idiots and he doesn't give a shit about them.

Someone else said it best. He surrounds himself with yes men. If you cross him you are finished. The perfect example is when one of his employees asked to see his badge. He didn't have it. The woman wouldn't let him in. He was ranting and raving who he was. He dropped his name. The woman didn't know who he was. He fired her. It was all over the news so he hired her back. That just shows the type of person he is. He fired someone for doing their job. God forbid.

The team needs to be turned over. There needs to be all mew people to get rid of the current culture. It is so toxic. It is like buying a house that has been on fire amd the foundation is shot but instead of knocking it down amd building it back up right they try hanging a picture on the wall convincing themselves that it looks so much better. Meanwhile, the house just gets worse and worse.
RE: Funny how everyone  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/9/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13523909 GMEN46 said:
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Got in me for criticizing the draft pick. But smith and Mitchell were such safer picks and they look very legit. Frank looked average against awful competition and is - non athletic point guard. That just doesn't work in today's nba. I am hoping for the best but I know the best he will bring will be well short of a superstar. It's fine that everyone else has this false hope, but if you watch tape of him it's very obvious to see




You're in a bad place if you cannot even wait past summer league to try to play the told you so card. And please don't be dishonest and say you "hope for the best". Considering how much these comments are on repeat, what you're acting hoping for is to be able to say you're right.
Jon in NYC  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2017 8:50 pm : link
You seem like a pretty knowledgeable basketball guy from the years I have seen you posting. I think I am pretty knowledable myself. You are in full denial if you think frenchy was the right pick over Mitchell or Dennis smith jr. Basketball is one of the few sports where after watching film you can tell retty quickly if a player has it or not, obviously there are exceptions, but you cannot teach athleticism and if you watch all the available film on Frenchy and there is plenty available and you watch the competition and his handle, etc. it is quite simple to see he will never be an elite guard in the NBA whereas the other 2 guys at least have a shot if they put the work in and that's what I have been adamant. At #8 on a rebuilding team you go for the home run upside and we went for the George hill/derek Harper pg, which is a good 4th or 5th piece on a championship team. I think Mitchell and smith have a shot at being #1 or #2 guys if they put the work in. Hey if I am wrong I will be the first to admit it and of course I hope I am wrong. As for monk he seems to be an elite shooter and athletic so he can present a potential big time as player as wel, but I have not watched him play enough to make that call.
Griffin wanted Houston out...  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 8:56 pm : link
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A source told the Daily News that one of Griffin’s requests was to remove Houston, who has been with the Knicks as a player or an executive for the majority of the last 20 years. With Dolan’s support as one of the owner’s all-time favorite players (remember that $100 million contract extension), Houston rapidly ascended in New York’s front office and many believe he’s being groomed as the next GM under Mills.

LOLKnicks - ( New Window )
I don't see how Dolan can be forced to sell.  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/9/2017 8:58 pm : link
And I don't know what would compel him to relinquish control to an actual basketball mind.

At this point I am fairly certain the Nets will return to prominence before the Knicks brass get a clue.

It is tiresome to be so negative continually and even being a diehard has its limit. I hope Dolan lives to see an entire generation of NY basketball fans not caring about the Knicks and nightly empty seats at MSG.
What a nightmare.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 9:02 pm : link
In the years Houston has been with the Knicks, have any teams around the league requested permission to interview him for GM vacancies? You'd think a young and supposedly bright basketball mind would be in high demand.
Just watched  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2017 9:27 pm : link
Dennis smith JR highlights, again its summer league but wow, that guy can finish in traffic, hit 3 and get to the rim at will
RE: Just watched  
Sgrcts : 7/9/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13523997 GMEN46 said:
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Dennis smith JR highlights, again its summer league but wow, that guy can finish in traffic, hit 3 and get to the rim at will


Who was the BBIer that wouldn't stop talking about Duke Johnson?
Spoiler alert:  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2017 9:36 pm : link
The Knicks would continue to suck with Ntilikina, Smith, Monk or Mitchell.
Knicks are doomed until Dolan is gone  
PhilSimms15 : 7/9/2017 9:38 pm : link
Which of course may be never.

The latest episode is denying a qualified GM from bringing in his own team. Heaven forbid the staff that has won one playoff series in a decade gets replaced.

It is clear he is a horrible judge of management talent, is loyal just to sycophants and protects his "special" employees over the fan base.

Unless the league steps in, the Knicks will never win.

I've been a fanatical Knick fan since the 1970's and a season ticket holder since the early 1989,s but it's time to say goodbye.
RE: Jon in NYC  
Jon in NYC : 7/9/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13523984 GMEN46 said:
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You seem like a pretty knowledgeable basketball guy from the years I have seen you posting. I think I am pretty knowledable myself. You are in full denial if you think frenchy was the right pick over Mitchell or Dennis smith jr. Basketball is one of the few sports where after watching film you can tell retty quickly if a player has it or not, obviously there are exceptions, but you cannot teach athleticism and if you watch all the available film on Frenchy and there is plenty available and you watch the competition and his handle, etc. it is quite simple to see he will never be an elite guard in the NBA whereas the other 2 guys at least have a shot if they put the work in and that's what I have been adamant. At #8 on a rebuilding team you go for the home run upside and we went for the George hill/derek Harper pg, which is a good 4th or 5th piece on a championship team. I think Mitchell and smith have a shot at being #1 or #2 guys if they put the work in. Hey if I am wrong I will be the first to admit it and of course I hope I am wrong. As for monk he seems to be an elite shooter and athletic so he can present a potential big time as player as wel, but I have not watched him play enough to make that call.


That's fine, we've had this discussion before.

Posting here every time DSJ has a summer league game bitching and moaning about the pick does nothing. If Frank turns out to be a bust, go ahead and have a field day.
I was big on Duke Johnson?  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2017 9:49 pm : link
I don't remember that, I usually don't speak too confidently about football players, hard for me to judge football players out of college, def more of a basketball guy.
I'm with Mook..  
Sean : 7/9/2017 9:59 pm : link
a lot of you on this thread are actually to blame. 400 plus posts breaking down what the Knicks will do for FA. The passion is there and until there is indifference, nothing will change. But you guys can't help yourselves, you get all excited every offseason talking about all the rumors. The franchise is the worst run in all of sports.
RE: I'm with Mook..  
Jon in NYC : 7/9/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13524009 Sean said:
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a lot of you on this thread are actually to blame. 400 plus posts breaking down what the Knicks will do for FA. The passion is there and until there is indifference, nothing will change. But you guys can't help yourselves, you get all excited every offseason talking about all the rumors. The franchise is the worst run in all of sports.


I'm not going to apologize for continuing to root for the Knicks.

What a terrible take.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Frenchy couldn't  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/9/2017 10:01 pm : link
bring the ball up against full court press by quick, harrassing PG's (see Randle against Dallas) and would have to play SG for a couple of years. Of course they then drafted Dotson AND signed Hardaway for more money than everybody anticipated.

I mean, does that sound like they know what they are doing?

After reading that Begley article, man I despise that foursome so much. Especially Mills, my god what credentials does he have?
As Knicks fans we need to embarrass the organization.  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/9/2017 10:05 pm : link
Wear brown paper bags to games. Stage protests and burn Dolan's CDs (if his band has any). Something stupid so media would give us coverage.

Instead of Alcoholics Anonymous we need Knicks Fans Anonymous.
I get the whole something needs to change narrative  
ADeP7 : 7/9/2017 10:05 pm : link
But I'm not gonna be one to stop rooting and supporting the Knicks. Thinking that eventually Dolan will sell. If you guys only care about winning. Go join on the golden state dynasty and enjoy the championships.
Im a fan of this team and I'll root for them and always try and see the best. All I've ever known is terrible knick teams. And I'm sticking it out because that's what being a fan is. Being a giants/Yankees/duke fan. I've seen championships and amazing moments. Someday I'll witness it with the Knicks. I'm not gonna give up on them no matter how shitty they are
RE: I'm with Mook..  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13524009 Sean said:
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a lot of you on this thread are actually to blame. 400 plus posts breaking down what the Knicks will do for FA. The passion is there and until there is indifference, nothing will change. But you guys can't help yourselves, you get all excited every offseason talking about all the rumors. The franchise is the worst run in all of sports.


yes kill the fans for rooting for the team they have loved since they were born...

sorry i am not a bandwagon jumper, rather be a die hard who goes through all the crap because winning makes it feel that much better...

RE: RE: I'm with Mook..  
MookGiants : 7/9/2017 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13524017 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13524009 Sean said:


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a lot of you on this thread are actually to blame. 400 plus posts breaking down what the Knicks will do for FA. The passion is there and until there is indifference, nothing will change. But you guys can't help yourselves, you get all excited every offseason talking about all the rumors. The franchise is the worst run in all of sports.



yes kill the fans for rooting for the team they have loved since they were born...

sorry i am not a bandwagon jumper, rather be a die hard who goes through all the crap because winning makes it feel that much better...


I think sometimes you have blind loyalty 16, you can be a diehard fan and still kill the organization for the ridiculously dumb shit they do. You sometimes defend moves that are indefensible. I respect how much you love the Knicks thiugh. Ive had enough personally. Wake me up when Dolan dies or sells the team
And i certainly  
MookGiants : 7/9/2017 10:11 pm : link
wont start following another team, I just wont invest time, money, and energy that I used to on the Knicks until Jim sells or kicks the bucket
RE: RE: RE: I'm with Mook..  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13524019 MookGiants said:
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In comment 13524017 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13524009 Sean said:


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a lot of you on this thread are actually to blame. 400 plus posts breaking down what the Knicks will do for FA. The passion is there and until there is indifference, nothing will change. But you guys can't help yourselves, you get all excited every offseason talking about all the rumors. The franchise is the worst run in all of sports.



yes kill the fans for rooting for the team they have loved since they were born...

sorry i am not a bandwagon jumper, rather be a die hard who goes through all the crap because winning makes it feel that much better...




I think sometimes you have blind loyalty 16, you can be a diehard fan and still kill the organization for the ridiculously dumb shit they do. You sometimes defend moves that are indefensible. I respect how much you love the Knicks thiugh. Ive had enough personally. Wake me up when Dolan dies or sells the team


oh i definitely have blind loyalty and have admitted that...

but i have also killed the knicks and dolan on thia thread for how they handled griffin and even said they will not make a good hire...

my frustration is the knicks do have a future dolan is just to stupid to hire a guy with experience and give them the keys...
I used to always dislike Pat Riley..  
Sean : 7/9/2017 10:46 pm : link
but now I realize he was right. All he wanted was part ownership and control of personnel. In the years since we've had a million GM's & the worst owner in sports. Riley saw the writing on the wall and got the fuck out. Good for him. He's got 3 titles in Miami since.
Isn't blind loyalty  
adamg : 7/9/2017 11:11 pm : link
The same thing as fanaticism?
This guy, Mike Zarren of the Boston Celtics, sounds very intriguing  
Anakim : 7/10/2017 12:56 am : link
as our new GM. Then again, he'd be subservient to Dolan, Houston and Mills so how much good could he do.
So much for Williams...  
Anakim : 7/10/2017 1:24 am : link
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