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capone : 7/8/2017 4:01 pm
Details to follow, 50/50 chance it will happen . Another Deal with the Yankees not as big but bullpen help coming to NY
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And Swihart  
Bill L : 7/8/2017 5:52 pm : link
Is still in Pawtucket and is struggling there. They did bring up Marerro and Lin though. Having that as your options is probably why there is 3b trade talk to begin with.
come on capone  
BigBlueShock : 7/8/2017 6:22 pm : link
You said details to follow. We need details!
RE: Right.  
Jay on the Island : 7/8/2017 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13523296 Bill L said:
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And that leads to his point.

Well his point was that they had nobody and while their farm system is not as strong as it used to be they do have two potential stars in Devers and Groome.
Heard the Yanks to look into...  
LarmerTJR : 7/8/2017 6:29 pm : link
Bour...
RE: RE: Right.  
BigBlueShock : 7/8/2017 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13523338 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13523296 Bill L said:


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And that leads to his point.


Well his point was that they had nobody and while their farm system is not as strong as it used to be they do have two potential stars in Devers and Groome.

To be fair, two prospects (one that is years away and already dealt with injuries) doesn't make a minor league system strong. "Nobody" was an absurd word to use, and I certainly don't agree, but that system is fairly barren and it's gonna take more than Devers to get an ace, for example. The Sox can hype their prospects better than anyone in the business and not even they can make up prospects at this point.
How bout them  
redwhiteandbigblue : 7/8/2017 6:37 pm : link
DETAILS. Nothing at all on the net. Not even a hint. In fact, only chatter out there is Sox not looking for starting pitching and may NOT make any big moves.
Jackie Bradly Jr  
Bones : 7/8/2017 6:44 pm : link
Not in the lineup today with a tough righty going against them. I thought that was strange.
RE: Beltre would actually be a decent fit  
Reb8thVA : 7/8/2017 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13523246 Bill L said:
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he would be a stopgap so he wouldn't block Devers. He likely could switch off with Hanley so he wouldn't play the field every day. Adds power which is their biggest weakness.


Bringing in Gonzalez and Crawford and letting Beltre go was one of Theo's biggest blunders.
The gm's are agreed  
capone : 7/8/2017 8:03 pm : link
But ownership is the holdup ... 50/50

Will advise if that changes , and will post what the deal was gonna be if it doesn't happen after the trade deadline

The big prospect has been mentioned in the thread
RE: The gm's are agreed  
Bill L : 7/8/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13523374 capone said:
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But ownership is the holdup ... 50/50

Will advise if that changes , and will post what the deal was gonna be if it doesn't happen after the trade deadline

The big prospect has been mentioned in the thread
im gonna cry if it's Groome. Or Devers. Swihart would probably benefit by being traded.
RE: RE: The gm's are agreed  
BigBlueShock : 7/8/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13523388 Bill L said:
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In comment 13523374 capone said:


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But ownership is the holdup ... 50/50

Will advise if that changes , and will post what the deal was gonna be if it doesn't happen after the trade deadline

The big prospect has been mentioned in the thread

im gonna cry if it's Groome. Or Devers. Swihart would probably benefit by being traded.

Swihart is not the "big prospect". No way. He's not even an afterthought at this point
Don't be so sure it's not Swihart  
redwhiteandbigblue : 7/8/2017 8:38 pm : link
He is only a year or so removed from having been a top 5 mlb prospect. He is struggling returning from back to back injuries. Sounds to me like a trade with the A's with Swihart as one piece. They need a catcher. Sox maybe get Jed Lowrie back to play 3b and Doolittle to reinforce bullpen. That would satisfy Sox basic needs. No way do they part with Devers. He is NOT ml ready. Only 20 yo and just made jump to AA ( I know, Benintendi made that jump but he was 22 y.o.). No way they give up Groome after just giving up Kopech. Their system has no pitching depth at all.
NY Post saying Padres' Brad Hand Interesting Yankees  
DCOrange : 7/8/2017 10:14 pm : link
I hope the Yankees maintain the rebuild - they are not winning it this year so adding relievers only works without giving up decent prospects IMO.
RE: NY Post saying Padres' Brad Hand Interesting Yankees  
robbieballs2003 : 7/8/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13523455 DCOrange said:
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I hope the Yankees maintain the rebuild - they are not winning it this year so adding relievers only works without giving up decent prospects IMO.


I remember reading that they want a "Chapman type return" for Hand.
So this ended up being all smoke...no fire.  
LarmerTJR : 7/9/2017 10:55 am : link
I understand things are fluid, but this was just a tease...
Price  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2017 11:17 am : link
for Hand is reportedly "big" (as it should be given his years of control). Padres are a RP factory (yeah I know he didn't come through their system). Keep your eyes on Phil Maton, might be a future big time closer type.
No thanks on Hand  
BigBlueShock : 7/9/2017 12:05 pm : link
I'm not sure if it was ever legitimized but last week it was reported that the Marlins wanted Torres for Hand and someone else, can't remember who. Awful
RE: RE: RE: Right.  
Jay on the Island : 7/9/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13523343 BigBlueShock said:
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To be fair, two prospects (one that is years away and already dealt with injuries) doesn't make a minor league system strong. "Nobody" was an absurd word to use, and I certainly don't agree, but that system is fairly barren and it's gonna take more than Devers to get an ace, for example. The Sox can hype their prospects better than anyone in the business and not even they can make up prospects at this point.

Well Devers and Groome for Gray is an overpay IMO but I agree with you that they would need more to acquire a starter like Archer.
RE: Price  
Jay on the Island : 7/9/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13523648 DanMetroMan said:
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for Hand is reportedly "big" (as it should be given his years of control). Padres are a RP factory (yeah I know he didn't come through their system). Keep your eyes on Phil Maton, might be a future big time closer type.

The Padres have done a great job rebuilding their farm system. Their IFA haul from last season was the second best in baseball and some could argue that it was better than Atlanta's due to quantity. They just added MacKenzie Gore in the draft who was my favorite prospect in the draft as well to go along with last years top 10 pick Cal Quantrill who could have gone first overall if it weren't for the TJ surgery.
RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
Jay on the Island : 7/9/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13523220 Bill L said:
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But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.

It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.
Wouldn't the AL West team  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 7/9/2017 1:19 pm : link
almost undoubtedly be the Mariners?

That's the team the OP has an in with.
RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
HomerJones45 : 7/9/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13523694 Jay on the Island said:
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But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.


It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.
As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.

Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.
RE: RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
Jay on the Island : 7/9/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13523711 HomerJones45 said:
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As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.

Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.

I understand what you're saying and many fans do overrate and overvalue their prospects. However, I think trading away every top prospect is what will cripple a franchise long term. It is hard to argue about the Chris Sale trade but giving away several more promising prospects for Thornburg after trading several for Kimbrel will cripple their ability to fill holes in the future.
Excellent point Homer.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 7/9/2017 1:41 pm : link
No different than speculating a prospect(s) will be a star only reverse logic which fans of opposing teams love to criticize. Fact is Dombrowski ends up with winning teams. Marlins, Tigers now Sox. Yes, he sometimes depletes minor league talent but most fans in those cities would give up a few lean years for a world series appearance.
Oh  
redwhiteandbigblue : 7/9/2017 1:45 pm : link
and by the way, for those who thought the Sox would break up that great young outfield....NOT! Jackie Bradley Jr. is back in the lineup. Just a scheduled day off yesterday. Mookie and Benintendi both had recent days off.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
HomerJones45 : 7/9/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13523719 Jay on the Island said:
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As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.

Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.


I understand what you're saying and many fans do overrate and overvalue their prospects. However, I think trading away every top prospect is what will cripple a franchise long term. It is hard to argue about the Chris Sale trade but giving away several more promising prospects for Thornburg after trading several for Kimbrel will cripple their ability to fill holes in the future.
True enough unless you have a prospect factory somewhere. Dave D gets rid of prospects faster than the minors can produce them.

The Thornburg deal looks bad only because he needed surgery and is missing the year. Imagine the Sox bullpen with Thornburg pitching in front of Kimbrel. Shaw is having this year so far out of nowhere. His high in HR's was 16 with the Sox and he is not a good fielder. Let's see if he maintains in the second half.
RE: RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
BigBlueShock : 7/9/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13523711 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13523220 Bill L said:


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But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.


It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.

As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.

Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.

While this may true to a point, the Astros and Cubs seem to be doing ok by building through their prospects, huh? How about the Yankees? Imagine if theyvtraded Judge and Sanchez away for middling RPs? The Sox are built through Betts, Bogaerts, Benitendi, etc.

It's strangecafter seeing things play out all over the league, a Yankee fan of all people would question holding on to top prospects for a quick fix
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
Jay on the Island : 7/9/2017 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13523741 BigBlueShock said:
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While this may true to a point, the Astros and Cubs seem to be doing ok by building through their prospects, huh? How about the Yankees? Imagine if theyvtraded Judge and Sanchez away for middling RPs? The Sox are built through Betts, Bogaerts, Benitendi, etc.

It's strangecafter seeing things play out all over the league, a Yankee fan of all people would question holding on to top prospects for a quick fix

The Braves are another team that is beginning to turn things around and they haven't even promoted their top prospects yet. Mike Foltynewicz has developed slower than expected but he has improved each year and lately has become more consistent and like the FOR starter he was projected to be. Swanson hasn't been good thus far but he was excellent last season and the Braves are not worried about him. Sean Newcomb pitched great in his first four starts until his last start versus Houston. Had he started the season in the rotation over Colon Atlanta would have likely been in the wild card race. SS/2B Ozzie Albies is on the verge of being promoted as he is raking in AAA. There are ways several ways of winning but I prefer the build from within method. You can always fill a hole or two in FA or through a minor trade.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
HomerJones45 : 7/9/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13523741 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13523694 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13523220 Bill L said:


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But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.


It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.

As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.

Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.


While this may true to a point, the Astros and Cubs seem to be doing ok by building through their prospects, huh? How about the Yankees? Imagine if theyvtraded Judge and Sanchez away for middling RPs? The Sox are built through Betts, Bogaerts, Benitendi, etc.

It's strangecafter seeing things play out all over the league, a Yankee fan of all people would question holding on to top prospects for a quick fix
Not questioning it but I understand the logic of those who are willing to trade prospects for a Chris Sale. No one would argue that Shaw was a top prospect so who is saying trade Judge for a relief pitcher. And where would the Sox be with their young outfield if they did not have Chris Sale?

The Astros went 3 years in a row losing over 100 games followed by a season when they lost 92. Last season was their first winning season in 7 years. It takes a very long time to win with young players, and the Astros have won nothing yet.
The Astros are the best team in baseball  
BigBlueShock : 7/9/2017 3:11 pm : link
So they haven't "won anything yet"? Come on now. Look up and down the standings. Every single team at the top is there because of home grown talent. They may have some vets sprinkled in that they acquired through trades, but their foundations are from the systems.

You're the one that says that fans "overrate" prospects. Like I said, that may be true to a point, but there are reasons for that. I'd rather take a chance on overrating a player like Aaron Judge while he's in the minors and hope he turns out to be a stud, than trade him for Sonny Gray or Quintana. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't. But that's a chance I'll take every time. Chris Sale is a different story. But I'm not sure why you keep bringing him up. Is there a Chris Sale available? Almost never is there a pitcher like that available. It's usually the RA Dickeys of the world that are getting traded. How do you think Toronto feels about that trade now?
the big big deal is dead  
capone : 7/10/2017 12:59 pm : link
in its present form .. will disclose after the deadline , other smaller things in the works, will advise if they are close
It flies under the radar...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2017 1:30 pm : link
because of the "names" some winning teams bring in, but this has inevitably held true throughout most of modern history:

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Every single team at the top is there because of home grown talent. They may have some vets sprinkled in that they acquired through trades, but their foundations are from the systems.


From the Braves in the early 90's to the Yankees after that, to the Cardinals and SF Giants and then the recent upstarts of KC and Chicago, the majority of the WS winners have a lot of homegrown talent.

Really, the Red Sox winning teams seem to be the exception - with quite a few of their top players coming from elsewhere, Pedroia and Garciaparra excluded.
RE: It flies under the radar...  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13524401 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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because of the "names" some winning teams bring in, but this has inevitably held true throughout most of modern history:



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Every single team at the top is there because of home grown talent. They may have some vets sprinkled in that they acquired through trades, but their foundations are from the systems.



From the Braves in the early 90's to the Yankees after that, to the Cardinals and SF Giants and then the recent upstarts of KC and Chicago, the majority of the WS winners have a lot of homegrown talent.

Really, the Red Sox winning teams seem to be the exception - with quite a few of their top players coming from elsewhere, Pedroia and Garciaparra excluded.


Nomar never played on a Red Sox WS winner. he was traded at the deadline.
well, I'd say the dynasty Yankees were a blend  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2017 1:37 pm : link
You had great homegrown players in Bernie, Pettitte, Jeter, Mo, and Posada, but you also had plenty of important free agents/trades - Tino, O'Neill, Key, Cone, Wells, El Duque, Clemens, Knoblauch, Justice, Chili Davis.
RE: well, I'd say the dynasty Yankees were a blend  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13524416 Greg from LI said:
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You had great homegrown players in Bernie, Pettitte, Jeter, Mo, and Posada, but you also had plenty of important free agents/trades - Tino, O'Neill, Key, Cone, Wells, El Duque, Clemens, Knoblauch, Justice, Chili Davis.


and on the latest title, Arod, Teixeira, Sabathia, Swisher, Damon, Burnett, Matsui, etc. to go with the core players. I think it's fair to say they don't win without the free agents (and the core players). A good blend like you said is probably the way I'd phrase it.
Greg..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2017 1:40 pm : link
yes - and the blend is what most WS teams end up having. Very rarely are you going to find a championship team with fewer than 3-4 of their top guys coming from the farm.
Yankees are getting bullpen help?  
Heisenberg : 7/10/2017 1:42 pm : link
That's dumb.
it does happen, but it is rare  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2017 1:48 pm : link
The 1997 Marlins. The 2004 Sawx - they had virtually no homegrown players in the lineup. Varitek was the only one I can think of. Maybe there was a relief pitcher in there, but no one of note.
RE: it does happen, but it is rare  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13524440 Greg from LI said:
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The 1997 Marlins. The 2004 Sawx - they had virtually no homegrown players in the lineup. Varitek was the only one I can think of. Maybe there was a relief pitcher in there, but no one of note.


Varitek wasn't home grown, he was in the Heathcliff "sloucm if you got em" trade along with Derek Lowe - good trade for the Sox.

They didn't really any homegrown players in 2004. Youkilis and Trot Nixon on the roster, but not major contributors.

Unless you count Schilling who the Sox drafted, then traded to Baltimore and then after a few teams and many years re-acquired.
ah, ok  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2017 2:00 pm : link
I forgot he was in that deal.

So they had one player on the entire roster that hadn't played in another organization, Trot Nixon. That was it.
RE: ah, ok  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13524462 Greg from LI said:
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I forgot he was in that deal.

So they had one player on the entire roster that hadn't played in another organization, Trot Nixon. That was it.


and Youkilis (he had two-at-bats)
Good... time for teams to start calling on Duda!  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2017 2:06 pm : link
Marlins baseball president Michael Hill listed the well-priced young stars Christian Yelich, Marcell Ozuna and J.T. Realmuto as players they have no intention to trade.

“We aren’t talking about those guys,” Hill told FanRag Sports.

While the Marlins are talking to several teams about their relievers, with closer A.J. Ramos and set-up man David Phelps believed to be drawing serious interest, their sale may not be quite as thrilling as some predicted, barring a change of heart. (Hill also said there have been no talks involving superstar slugger Giancarlo Stanton, either.)

Though others have seen the Marlins as open-minded regarding everyone, Hill was pretty clear that trades of those type of talented and cost-efficient players make no sense for their team. When asked about coming star Justin Bour, a first baseman who like Stanton will be competing in Monday’s All-Star Home Run Derby, and who had been linked in a report to the Yankees, Hill said that Bour “goes into the same basket” as the other three, meaning no go. “He’s a pre-arb, 20-home run bat,” Hill explained.
RE: RE: ah, ok  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13524467 pjcas18 said:
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I forgot he was in that deal.

So they had one player on the entire roster that hadn't played in another organization, Trot Nixon. That was it.



and Youkilis (he had two-at-bats)


sorry, two post-season at-bats and I didn't scan through all the relievers/fringe guys, just the players I knew.
I was looking at their 2004 WS roster  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2017 2:35 pm : link
And, unless you count Schilling, Nixon was the only one.

Varitek - Mariners
Mirabelli - Giants
Mientkiewicz - Twins
Millar - Marlins
Ortiz - Twins
Bellhorn - A's
Reese - Reds
Cabrera - Expos
Muellar - Giants
Damon - Royals
Manny - Indians
Nixon - Red Sox
Kapler - Rays
Pedro - Dodgers
Lowe - Mariners
Schilling - Orioles (the team of his MLB debut)
Wakefield - Pirates
Arroyo - Pirates
Timlin - Blue Jays
Embree - Indians
Foulke - White Sox

RE: RE: RE: ah, ok  
Bill L : 7/10/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13524482 pjcas18 said:
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I forgot he was in that deal.

So they had one player on the entire roster that hadn't played in another organization, Trot Nixon. That was it.



and Youkilis (he had two-at-bats)



sorry, two post-season at-bats and I didn't scan through all the relievers/fringe guys, just the players I knew.
I think that's pretty much right.

If I had to quibble, it would be that it's a little different than a "bought" team in the sense that, looking at the roster there are a bunch of guys who either came as unfinished guys or prospects (e.g., Varitek and Lowe), guys who their original team gave up on (Ortiz, Wakefield) or guys at the end of their careers who were able to catch on (Mueller, Bellhorn, Minky, Embree, Timlin). A pretty odd mix altogether.
I like how Greg laid out the list  
Bill L : 7/10/2017 2:46 pm : link
I would put the same parenthetical for Varitek and Lowe as for Schilling though.

One odd one was Kevin Millar who I think was halfway to Japan when the Sox claimed him.
for comparison, the 1998 Yankees  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2017 2:58 pm : link
Girardi - Cubs
Posada - Yanks
Tino - Mariners
Knoblauch - Twins
Jeter - Yanks
Brosius - A's
Bush - Yanks
Sojo - Blue Jays
Raines - Expos
Ledee - Yanks
Bernie - Yanks
O'Neill - Reds
Spencer - Yanks
Davis - Giants
Cone - Royals
Wells - Blue Jays
Pettitte - Yanks
El Duque - Cuba
Mendoza - Yanks
Lloyd - Brewers
Stanton - Braves
Nelson - Mariners
Mo - Yanks
They didn't do too badly in 2013  
Bill L : 7/10/2017 3:19 pm : link
PITCHERS (11): Craig Breslow, Clay Buchholz*, Ryan Dempster, Felix Doubront*, John Lackey, Jon Lester*, Franklin Morales, Jake Peavy, Junichi Tazawa*, Koji Uehara*, Brandon Workman*.

CATCHERS (2): David Ross, Jarrod Saltalamacchia.

INFIELDERS (6): Xander Bogaerts*, Stephen Drew, Will Middlebrooks*, Mike Napoli, David Ortiz, Dustin Pedroia*.

OUTFIELDERS (6): Quintin Berry, Mike Carp, Jacoby Ellsbury*, Jonny Gomes, Daniel Nava*, Shane Victorino.

* Red Sox as debut MLB club
oh don't even get me started on that team  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2017 3:21 pm : link
Biggest fluke WS winner ever. Virtually everyone on that team either had their career season that year or played better than they had in years.
That's a different question  
Bill L : 7/10/2017 3:25 pm : link
Here is the 2007 team which is sort of in between wrt home-growns...

PITCHERS (11): Josh Beckett, Manny Delcarmen*, Eric Gagne, Jon Lester*, Javier Lopez, Daisuke Matsuzaka*, Hideki Okajima*, Jonathan Papelbon*, Curt Schilling, Kyle Snyder, Mike Timlin.

CATCHERS (2): Doug Mirabelli, Jason Varitek*.

INFIELDERS (7): Alex Cora, Eric Hinske, Mike Lowell, Julio Lugo, David Ortiz, Dustin Pedroia*, Kevin Youkilis*.

OUTFIELDERS (5): Coco Crisp, J.D. Drew, Jacoby Ellsbury*, Bobby Kielty, Manny Ramirez.

* MLB debut with Red Sox
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