But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.
RE: RE: Total salaries involved is about $70m annual
he would be a stopgap so he wouldn't block Devers. He likely could switch off with Hanley so he wouldn't play the field every day. Adds power which is their biggest weakness.
They had a top 3 or top 5 system a year ago and now it's bottom third. Devers and Groome are quality prospects but most of the remainder of their top 10 were down near or in the 20's a year ago. They're mostly top 10 because someone has to be.
Maybe that's too harsh because they do have some more guys with promise but, while I wouldn't say no prospects, I would also not say that they are flush.
They had a top 3 or top 5 system a year ago and now it's bottom third. Devers and Groome are quality prospects but most of the remainder of their top 10 were down near or in the 20's a year ago. They're mostly top 10 because someone has to be.
Maybe that's too harsh because they do have some more guys with promise but, while I wouldn't say no prospects, I would also not say that they are flush.
They aren't flush but they traded away several for Sale and Thornburg plus the recent promotions of Benintendi, Travis, and Swihart has weakened their farm system.
Is still in Pawtucket and is struggling there. They did bring up Marerro and Lin though. Having that as your options is probably why there is 3b trade talk to begin with.
Well his point was that they had nobody and while their farm system is not as strong as it used to be they do have two potential stars in Devers and Groome.
Well his point was that they had nobody and while their farm system is not as strong as it used to be they do have two potential stars in Devers and Groome.
To be fair, two prospects (one that is years away and already dealt with injuries) doesn't make a minor league system strong. "Nobody" was an absurd word to use, and I certainly don't agree, but that system is fairly barren and it's gonna take more than Devers to get an ace, for example. The Sox can hype their prospects better than anyone in the business and not even they can make up prospects at this point.
DETAILS. Nothing at all on the net. Not even a hint. In fact, only chatter out there is Sox not looking for starting pitching and may NOT make any big moves.
he would be a stopgap so he wouldn't block Devers. He likely could switch off with Hanley so he wouldn't play the field every day. Adds power which is their biggest weakness.
Bringing in Gonzalez and Crawford and letting Beltre go was one of Theo's biggest blunders.
He is only a year or so removed from having been a top 5 mlb prospect. He is struggling returning from back to back injuries. Sounds to me like a trade with the A's with Swihart as one piece. They need a catcher. Sox maybe get Jed Lowrie back to play 3b and Doolittle to reinforce bullpen. That would satisfy Sox basic needs. No way do they part with Devers. He is NOT ml ready. Only 20 yo and just made jump to AA ( I know, Benintendi made that jump but he was 22 y.o.). No way they give up Groome after just giving up Kopech. Their system has no pitching depth at all.
NY Post saying Padres' Brad Hand Interesting Yankees
for Hand is reportedly "big" (as it should be given his years of control). Padres are a RP factory (yeah I know he didn't come through their system). Keep your eyes on Phil Maton, might be a future big time closer type.
I'm not sure if it was ever legitimized but last week it was reported that the Marlins wanted Torres for Hand and someone else, can't remember who. Awful
To be fair, two prospects (one that is years away and already dealt with injuries) doesn't make a minor league system strong. "Nobody" was an absurd word to use, and I certainly don't agree, but that system is fairly barren and it's gonna take more than Devers to get an ace, for example. The Sox can hype their prospects better than anyone in the business and not even they can make up prospects at this point.
Well Devers and Groome for Gray is an overpay IMO but I agree with you that they would need more to acquire a starter like Archer.
for Hand is reportedly "big" (as it should be given his years of control). Padres are a RP factory (yeah I know he didn't come through their system). Keep your eyes on Phil Maton, might be a future big time closer type.
The Padres have done a great job rebuilding their farm system. Their IFA haul from last season was the second best in baseball and some could argue that it was better than Atlanta's due to quantity. They just added MacKenzie Gore in the draft who was my favorite prospect in the draft as well to go along with last years top 10 pick Cal Quantrill who could have gone first overall if it weren't for the TJ surgery.
But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.
It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.
But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.
It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.
As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.
Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.
As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.
Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.
I understand what you're saying and many fans do overrate and overvalue their prospects. However, I think trading away every top prospect is what will cripple a franchise long term. It is hard to argue about the Chris Sale trade but giving away several more promising prospects for Thornburg after trading several for Kimbrel will cripple their ability to fill holes in the future.
No different than speculating a prospect(s) will be a star only reverse logic which fans of opposing teams love to criticize. Fact is Dombrowski ends up with winning teams. Marlins, Tigers now Sox. Yes, he sometimes depletes minor league talent but most fans in those cities would give up a few lean years for a world series appearance.
and by the way, for those who thought the Sox would break up that great young outfield....NOT! Jackie Bradley Jr. is back in the lineup. Just a scheduled day off yesterday. Mookie and Benintendi both had recent days off.
White Sox, with Frazier an Quintana?
That's what Dave D. Does
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White Sox, with Frazier an Quintana?
The CWS are not an AL West team.
Devers is MLB ready. Unless he's part of the deal, which would be asinine, why would they deal for a 3rd baseman?
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Not sure they need to add a stud pitcher but wouldn't be shocked to see it just because they are shiny.
Devers is MLB ready. Unless he's part of the deal, which would be asinine, why would they deal for a 3rd baseman?
that probably means something is imminent.
Dumb rowski and Cherry head saw to it.
Proof: Records of their MILB teams compared to Yanks.
Dumb rowski and Cherry head saw to it.
Proof: Records of their MILB teams compared to Yanks.
Dumb rowski and Cherry head saw to it.
Proof: Records of their MILB teams compared to Yanks.
Wow what a well researched brilliant post bossman! They just have the 6th best prospect (Rafael Devers) in baseball according to BA.
Maybe that's too harsh because they do have some more guys with promise but, while I wouldn't say no prospects, I would also not say that they are flush.
Maybe that's too harsh because they do have some more guys with promise but, while I wouldn't say no prospects, I would also not say that they are flush.
They aren't flush but they traded away several for Sale and Thornburg plus the recent promotions of Benintendi, Travis, and Swihart has weakened their farm system.
Well his point was that they had nobody and while their farm system is not as strong as it used to be they do have two potential stars in Devers and Groome.
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Well his point was that they had nobody and while their farm system is not as strong as it used to be they do have two potential stars in Devers and Groome.
To be fair, two prospects (one that is years away and already dealt with injuries) doesn't make a minor league system strong. "Nobody" was an absurd word to use, and I certainly don't agree, but that system is fairly barren and it's gonna take more than Devers to get an ace, for example. The Sox can hype their prospects better than anyone in the business and not even they can make up prospects at this point.
Bringing in Gonzalez and Crawford and letting Beltre go was one of Theo's biggest blunders.
Will advise if that changes , and will post what the deal was gonna be if it doesn't happen after the trade deadline
The big prospect has been mentioned in the thread
Will advise if that changes , and will post what the deal was gonna be if it doesn't happen after the trade deadline
The big prospect has been mentioned in the thread
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But ownership is the holdup ... 50/50
Will advise if that changes , and will post what the deal was gonna be if it doesn't happen after the trade deadline
The big prospect has been mentioned in the thread
im gonna cry if it's Groome. Or Devers. Swihart would probably benefit by being traded.
Swihart is not the "big prospect". No way. He's not even an afterthought at this point
I remember reading that they want a "Chapman type return" for Hand.
To be fair, two prospects (one that is years away and already dealt with injuries) doesn't make a minor league system strong. "Nobody" was an absurd word to use, and I certainly don't agree, but that system is fairly barren and it's gonna take more than Devers to get an ace, for example. The Sox can hype their prospects better than anyone in the business and not even they can make up prospects at this point.
Well Devers and Groome for Gray is an overpay IMO but I agree with you that they would need more to acquire a starter like Archer.
The Padres have done a great job rebuilding their farm system. Their IFA haul from last season was the second best in baseball and some could argue that it was better than Atlanta's due to quantity. They just added MacKenzie Gore in the draft who was my favorite prospect in the draft as well to go along with last years top 10 pick Cal Quantrill who could have gone first overall if it weren't for the TJ surgery.
It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.
That's the team the OP has an in with.
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But if it did happen, it wouldn't shock me. Dombrowski has a pathological hatred for prospects. He's like one of those corporate raider guys who buys s company and sells off their assets for grins.
It is remarkable how he literally does rid the organization of nearly every top prospect in an attempt to win now. First Detroit and now Boston.
Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.
As opposed for the pathological love that fans have for prospects.
Dombrowski plays the odds which are that most prospects will never be more than that, prospects. Fans remember the prospects that pan out and see them all as potential stars and don't remember the ones that never make it or make it and fizzle out quickly. Dombrowski's philosophy is if i can get a proven player for prospects, 10% of which will ever amount to anything, I'll do it. Disaagree if you will, but it's not an illogical philosophy.
I understand what you're saying and many fans do overrate and overvalue their prospects. However, I think trading away every top prospect is what will cripple a franchise long term. It is hard to argue about the Chris Sale trade but giving away several more promising prospects for Thornburg after trading several for Kimbrel will cripple their ability to fill holes in the future.