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NFT: Clint Frazier. This guy has the screwiest swing

Dave in Buffalo : 7/8/2017 8:04 pm
His right foot and leg appear to at least partially slip out from behind him. He appears to hit off a stiff front leg and gets no push off because the back is slipping out. When I was a kid playing little league, I read this book by Charlie Lau, The Art of Hitting 300. Lau was batting coach for the White Sox I believe? He was a proponent of a small push off the back leg and hitting from a firm, but not straight, front leg. It worked great for me in little league, I remember that. But what Frazier's doing just looks awfully screwy.

What say you guys? Has the organization worked with him on his mechanics? Or, don't the coaches think it needs fixing? IMHO, seems to me that his mechanics could you some tweaking. Curious to hear others' opinions.
His swing is so weird  
DennyInDenville : 7/8/2017 8:10 pm : link
I imagine it will need fixed if he wants to tap his full potential..

But maybe it works for him
Huh?  
EddieNYG : 7/8/2017 8:15 pm : link
What is wrong with this swing?

Seems pretty damn impressive to me!

Why would you say there is something wrong with it?
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He might have  
Phil in LA : 7/8/2017 8:19 pm : link
A little too much top hand. He does sort of put his back foot in the bucket. Too.
Lau's theories  
RetroJint : 7/8/2017 8:19 pm : link
were eclipsed by Dusty Baker's. Baker was surpassed by Mike Epstein . You are about two generations behind . Anyway hitting off a firm front side (think Griffey Jr) is consistent in any theory beginning with Teddy Ballgame, or even way before that in the useful little book Babe Ruth wrote. Ruth's guide was Shoeless Joe.

Frazier's swing is old school in the sense that he's not starting inside the ball, He takes the outside strike and tries to yank it across his body . I know he slopped one to right today . But that was a two-strike backhanded serve when he was just protecting .

He hits with enormous power . His dial goes all the way up to 10. He's got good pitch recognition . Reads the spin well and knows what a strike is . He's going to be great . Without doubt .
RE: Huh?  
Dave in Buffalo : 7/8/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13523383 EddieNYG said:
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What is wrong with this swing?

Seems pretty damn impressive to me!

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Eddie, that example it's not as apparent. Maybe it's just one of those deals where it's an occasional issue for him?
RE: Lau's theories  
Dave in Buffalo : 7/8/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13523387 RetroJint said:
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were eclipsed by Dusty Baker's. Baker was surpassed by Mike Epstein . You are about two generations behind . Anyway hitting off a firm front side (think Griffey Jr) is consistent in any theory beginning with Teddy Ballgame, or even way before that in the useful little book Babe Ruth wrote. Ruth's guide was Shoeless Joe.

Frazier's swing is old school in the sense that he's not starting inside the ball, He takes the outside strike and tries to yank it across his body . I know he slopped one to right today . But that was a two-strike backhanded serve when he was just protecting .

He hits with enormous power . His dial goes all the way up to 10. He's got good pitch recognition . Reads the spin well and knows what a strike is . He's going to be great . Without doubt .


Ya, it's probably that slopped one to right I'm thinking of. So, I guess it's just an occasional thing, that hopefully he'll iron out over time.
Paul O'Neill  
BigBlueShock : 7/8/2017 8:33 pm : link
Has been saying this on the broadcasts. He hits off his front leg instead of his back leg. His weight transition is out of whack. Maybe he can pull it off but Paul seems to think they will work with him to get it straightened out. For all the power he generates now, there is more to be had with proper mechanics
Frazier aluded to this after the game  
Bill2 : 7/8/2017 8:42 pm : link
He said when he first came up he became anxious, tried to do too much and "got noisy" with his swing.

He said each day he has been working with them to learn to stay back and see the pitch longer.

Kinda wish they fixed this down in the minors so he does not have to learn on the job and under the spotlight.

That all said...he has incredible bat speed
Frazier is a work in progress  
GiantJake : 7/8/2017 8:58 pm : link
His bat speed is insane and he just needs to stay balanced and not get out over his front foot. With a little more experience, Frazier is going to be a very dangerous bat. Look at the difference in Aaron Judge from last season to this season. Judge learned to stay balanced and keep his weight back without lunging.
Similar to Piazza swing  
Eli Wilson : 7/8/2017 9:03 pm : link
Pretty big weight transfer to the front leg and he almost stands up straight at contact.

Most guys now use more of a rotational swing, where the back knee goes down and the weight stays centered a bit more. Take a look at Judge, for example. See how low his back knee gets at contact, in comparison.
His hands are very fast to the ball  
bigbluehoya : 7/8/2017 9:56 pm : link
For me, that's the most important sign.

I don't disagree that the lower half of that swing could use some attention.
Yeah, he's definitely rough around the edges right now  
bceagle05 : 7/8/2017 10:01 pm : link
but it's been fun to get a glimpse of him. I think he'll make a habit of being in the middle of things.
only thing Frazier needs to work  
bluepepper : 7/8/2017 10:11 pm : link
on is his hair. You can really screw a guy up by messing with his swing.

I remember reading about Gil McDougald and the Yankees. He won batting crowns in the minors but he had a weird swing. Rogers Hornsby was a scout for the Yankees at the time, saw him play and told the front office not to mess with his swing. Got to the majors, had a good rookie year but then sure enough Casey messed with his swing. He had a good career but mostly because of his defense and versatility, he was basically just a decent hitter.

I'm really impressed, almost stupefied, that he was able to put one  
Dave in Buffalo : 7/8/2017 10:20 pm : link
out of the park with what looked to be a completely FUBAR defensive swing, earlier today, lol! Dude gets his shit together he could be monster!
The Yanks got this  
Jay in Toronto : 7/8/2017 10:23 pm : link
trust our guys


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RE: Lau's theories  
Dave in Buffalo : 7/8/2017 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13523387 RetroJint said:
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were eclipsed by Dusty Baker's. Baker was surpassed by Mike Epstein . You are about two generations behind . Anyway hitting off a firm front side (think Griffey Jr) is consistent in any theory beginning with Teddy Ballgame, or even way before that in the useful little book Babe Ruth wrote. Ruth's guide was Shoeless Joe.

Frazier's swing is old school in the sense that he's not starting inside the ball, He takes the outside strike and tries to yank it across his body . I know he slopped one to right today . But that was a two-strike backhanded serve when he was just protecting .

He hits with enormous power . His dial goes all the way up to 10. He's got good pitch recognition . Reads the spin well and knows what a strike is . He's going to be great . Without doubt .


Ok, he may be outdated. But back in the day, after i read his book and worked my ass off, I hit the shit out of everything! I had game :) !
RE: The Yanks got this  
Del Shofner : 7/8/2017 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13523464 Jay in Toronto said:
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That is pretty cool...
I was more than a little late, but I had this...  
manh george : 7/9/2017 2:39 am : link
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Frazier's swing...
manh george : 7/8/2017 10:43 pm : link : reply
looked much better today. As O'Neill (I think it was) had said, he had been getting onto his front leg too quickly. On the triple and homer, he wasn't necessarily staying back, but he was balanced on both legs so that his crazy-high bat speed could work itself. I don't know the pro swing well enough to know if he should be staying back even longer, but this looked great based upon my limited knowledge. Kid has huge athleticism.
I think the plan was  
Beer Man : 7/9/2017 10:14 am : link
to give him his cup of coffee while Hicks mends, and then send him back to SWB for more seasoning. Good to see that he is working hard to make the decision difficult.
The main concern here people are mentioning is the back leg action?  
Blue_Agave : 7/9/2017 10:14 am : link
I think that is intentional. Frazier is definitely front foot heavy on his swing at this time, and that back foot dropping out allows for some separation.

The separation is important because it allows Frazier to keep his hands back while limiting the overall movement or "noise" in his swing.

Frazier has made his name as a baseball player with those massive forearms and elite bat speed. Watch how well he engages and loads up his wrists. He is just so dominant in this area of his swing, I could name some of the best hitters in the game who aren't as good as him at being aggressive with loading their hands up, and triggering the barrel to the ball in the zone.

Watch him in batting practice if you get the chance. He's working on incorporating his lower half to create more leverage, it just hasn't translated as often in-game yet.

Let this bad boy rake! It is more of a concern right now to limit the movement and "noise" in his swing to where he develops a hitch to come out of his swing that impedes that bat speed, or changes his eye level when recognizing pitches.
The worst swing I ever saw in baseball belonged to Ichiro  
mavric : 7/9/2017 11:50 am : link
And that worked out pretty good for his career.

Yogi had a notoriously bad swing. And remember the "Pine Tar Game" when George Brett hit that memorable HR and Billy had him thrown out on a technicality? I've watched that a dozen times and I swear if Brett didn't hit the ball, it would have come close to hitting him in the face.

Whatever, Frazier will work it all out. He has incredible bat speed and ultimately, it's the batter's brain, reflexes, athleticism, and transfer of power to the bat that determines how good he will become. He has the tools and it could be more detrimental to his future to try and change his swing to fit the mold of someone else's idea of a "perfect swing" rather than just letting him hit the ball the way he feels like hitting it.
All I know about his swing, since I know jack about the technical  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 11:57 am : link
parts of baseball and such, is that yesterday I jumped for joy with the 9th inning HR. I hope this kid is for real. The Yankees have some young talent but they clearly need pitching or for the current pitchers to clean things up and get back on track.

Frazier seems like a spunky kid. If he is the "real deal" as they say we are another piece closer to having a WS type ready team. An "ACE" pitcher is needed for sure though....not easy to find them and not sure we have any young guys who fit that potential.
They were comparing his funky swing to...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/9/2017 12:02 pm : link
Roberto Clemente on a recent telecast. So I'm sure he'll be fine if this is really the way he feels most comfortable.
Frazier isn't comfortable with the pre-Saturday swing.  
manh george : 7/9/2017 1:11 pm : link
In four different articles in the NY Post, he talked about the coaches saying that he was getting out over his front leg too quickly,and that he was working hard to overcome that. The issue was first raised Friday, apparently, and he said that he had taken 300 practice swings since to work on staying back. He also indicated that part of the problem was adrenaline, not technique--he was jumping at the ball.

I don't think this is a huge problem to fix. He already had it partly fixed by yesterday. He needs to decide--with the coaches' help--how far back he wants to be. But even balanced on both legs and working off of his top side is different than where he was up to Friday.
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