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Will Hill,

oldog : 7/9/2017 8:28 pm
a few problems in CFL, And there were such hopes.
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annexOPR : 7/9/2017 8:32 pm : link
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I can't even imagine this defense will Hill at safety next to Collins. Hall of fame talent and golden opportunity - absolute waste.
but poor will cant even handle  
oldog : 7/9/2017 8:36 pm : link
cfl, although we loved him.
Ah yeah, the guy so many people wanted to make excuses for  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/9/2017 8:36 pm : link
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me too,  
oldog : 7/9/2017 8:38 pm : link
mea culpa.
What an idiot  
giantgiantfan : 7/9/2017 8:39 pm : link
had the talent. I'm sure his agent showed him the list of what mid to top tier safeties make. He'll probably be living on the streets or working at 7-11 in 10 years.
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81_Great_Dane : 7/9/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13523969 annexOPR said:
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I can't even imagine this defense will Hill at safety next to Collins. Hall of fame talent and golden opportunity - absolute waste.
Can't you? I can. It's easy: Just picture the defense we have now, but with the fourth or fifth-best safety on another team because he was cut, and the Giants scrambling for a backup safety because Will Hill was suspended for the season.
Would we have traded up  
Jolly Blue Giant : 7/9/2017 9:37 pm : link
For Collins if Hill was playing at a high level and was a good citizen? I doubt it.
Sour  
Sonic Youth : 7/9/2017 10:01 pm : link
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I think  
KingZ : 7/9/2017 10:02 pm : link
Chad Jones accident hurt more IMO, we used a third round pick on him. Had a lot of bad luck at the position, KP was amazing until the injuries. Will Hill could never be counted on from day 1, I think you had to plan a contigency for his next mistake.
loved hill  
japanhead : 7/9/2017 10:14 pm : link
til the 2nd weed incident. lots of bad luck @ safety indeed w/ jones, phillips and hill (self-inflicted). even worse luck @ receiver w/ cruz, nicks, smith, plax (self-inflicted). lets hope the giants are finally out of the woods at both these positions
Holy shitty thread title, Batman!  
SHO'NUFF : 7/9/2017 10:23 pm : link
Can you elaborate?
RE: loved hill  
KingZ : 7/9/2017 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13524021 japanhead said:
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til the 2nd weed incident. lots of bad luck @ safety indeed w/ jones, phillips and hill (self-inflicted). even worse luck @ receiver w/ cruz, nicks, smith, plax (self-inflicted). lets hope the giants are finally out of the woods at both these positions


True that. I absolutely loved Nicks. To me, he was complete. Plax was always playing hurt, really respected his toughness. Can add Manningham too.
RE: I think  
bradshaw44 : 7/9/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13524013 KingZ said:
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Chad Jones accident hurt more IMO, we used a third round pick on him. Had a lot of bad luck at the position, KP was amazing until the injuries. Will Hill could never be counted on from day 1, I think you had to plan a contigency for his next mistake.


I will never forget being at the barber shop getting that news feed of Jones accident on my phone. I think I still had a blackberry. Man that sucked.
Not to mention  
ktinsc : 7/9/2017 10:56 pm : link
Jansen Jackson...
Chad Jones hurt more?  
SHO'NUFF : 7/9/2017 11:20 pm : link
How many plays did Chad Jones make?
BBI to the Rescue!  
JohnF : 7/9/2017 11:37 pm : link

RE: ...  
EricJ : 7/10/2017 12:53 am : link
In comment 13523969 annexOPR said:
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Hall of fame talent and golden opportunity - absolute waste.


Really? Hall of fame talent? LOL
Hall of Fame seems a bit lofty ya' think?  
Jimmy Googs : 7/10/2017 5:22 am : link
But he had game though. Nice recognition and quickness. Above avg ball skills too. That one season, his strong play gave coaches confidence to go let Antrel Rolle go free-lance around the field.

But alas, a 2 cent head did him in...
Sometimes guys...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2017 8:35 am : link
"get it" and sometimes they stay boneheaded no matter what talent they have. Hill was one of those guys. Damontre Moore was one of those guys.

The ability to mature is an important aspect to having a long career, and Hill couldn't do it. When even a guy like PacMan Jones has straightened things out somewhat, you really have to wonder how dense Hill is.
RE: Sometimes guys...  
Big Blue '56 : 7/10/2017 8:42 am : link
In comment 13524082 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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"get it" and sometimes they stay boneheaded no matter what talent they have. Hill was one of those guys. Damontre Moore was one of those guys.

The ability to mature is an important aspect to having a long career, and Hill couldn't do it. When even a guy like PacMan Jones has straightened things out somewhat, you really have to wonder how dense Hill is.


I'm assuming you mean that Moore was boneheaded/stupid in the vacuous sense as opposed to Hill who might approach criminally stupid in addition to vacuous..
This is  
Pete in MD : 7/10/2017 8:44 am : link
what happens when you don't let a guy smoke his weed. They get all angry.
RE: This is  
feelflows : 7/10/2017 9:04 am : link
In comment 13524090 Pete in MD said:
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what happens when you don't let a guy smoke his weed. They get all angry.


Looking at his suspensions, I don't think he stopped.
When I Am Sent To Hell...  
Jim in Tampa : 7/10/2017 9:35 am : link
(Hopefully years from now) I believe that my internet access will be limited to BBI and every thread will be about Will Hill.
"hall of fame lol omg"  
annexOPR : 7/10/2017 9:45 am : link
https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/9/3/9254431/will-hill-is-the-best-safety-in-coverage-according-to-pro-football

I know we're supposed to hate on him, but he flashed more than enough signs of greatness. theres a reason he was given so many chances.
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RE: Sometimes guys...  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/10/2017 9:58 am : link
In comment 13524082 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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"get it" and sometimes they stay boneheaded no matter what talent they have. Hill was one of those guys. Damontre Moore was one of those guys.

The ability to mature is an important aspect to having a long career, and Hill couldn't do it. When even a guy like PacMan Jones has straightened things out somewhat, you really have to wonder how dense Hill is.


Do you? About 20 IQ points shy of 100 seems obvious. Kid could be a multi millionaire. He will be dead broke and God knows where by 35 if not sooner. Kid should have been. 1st or 2nd round pick.
RE: RE: This is  
Pete in MD : 7/10/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13524114 feelflows said:
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what happens when you don't let a guy smoke his weed. They get all angry.



Looking at his suspensions, I don't think he stopped.

Maybe he got some bad stuff? It's supposed to mellow you out.
JFC  
Cam in MO : 7/10/2017 10:25 am : link
Not one #sour yet?

I am disappointed.


CFL link  
speedywheels : 7/10/2017 10:46 am : link
How many posters were still in his corner even after his last NFL fuck up??

LOL...


He's such an idiot - ( New Window )
career in nutshell:  
annexOPR : 7/10/2017 12:18 pm : link
arrested Friday ... pick 6 Sunday ...

I believe it was @ Detroit around Xmas 3-4 years ago.

What could've been ... he was so f'ing good. Huge hitter that flashed E L I T E cover skills ... aka hall of fame talent - not candidate, obviously

Not..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2017 12:31 pm : link
a HOF talent at all.

He is an above average defender. Hell, he hasn't even been the best player on any of his teams. HOF is a man among men, not just a decent player.
RE: Not..  
annexOPR : 7/10/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13524324 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a HOF talent at all.

He is an above average defender. Hell, he hasn't even been the best player on any of his teams. HOF is a man among men, not just a decent player.


in his brief career he literally graded out as the best safety in coverage 1 season and was routinely mentioned amongst the best at his position - when he was on the field.

he was "a man" - just not a fat one.
C'mon..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2017 12:42 pm : link
"routinely mentioned as the best at his position"?

Wait a minute -



BA HA HA HA!!!!

On the list of great safeties people have seen in the last 10 years, I'm going to guess Will Hill isn't even getting a mention. If they compile a list of above average safeties, he's probably middle of the pack.

I'd like some evidence(article, news segment, some media) that anyone refers to Hill as the best safety in the NFL - let alone "routinely" mentioned.

What a bunch of hyperbolic bullshit.
RE: C'mon..  
annexOPR : 7/10/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13524339 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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"routinely mentioned as the best at his position"?

Wait a minute -



BA HA HA HA!!!!

On the list of great safeties people have seen in the last 10 years, I'm going to guess Will Hill isn't even getting a mention. If they compile a list of above average safeties, he's probably middle of the pack.

I'd like some evidence(article, news segment, some media) that anyone refers to Hill as the best safety in the NFL - let alone "routinely" mentioned.

What a bunch of hyperbolic bullshit.


gosh you showed me.

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/9/3/9254431/will-hill-is-the-best-safety-in-coverage-according-to-pro-football

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/11/5/9670544/baltimore-ravens-safety-will-hill-one-of-the-leagues-best-at-halfway

http://ebonybird.com/2015/09/18/will-hill-best-safety-nfl/

http://beta.barstoolsports.com/dmv/everyones-favorite-safety-will-hill-is-back/

"Pro Football Focus had Hill rated as the 2nd best safety in all of football last season for the Giants, as he was held accountable for only 184 passing yards and 0 touchdowns in coverage."

"Hill doesn’t help himself with regular suspensions but he’s just so good when he plays that he keeps cracking the Top 101. This year was no different as despite playing just 724 snaps he still had sixth-highest safety grade, with a couple of really impressive outings in the playoffs. Imagine what he could do if his off-field decision making was as good as his on the field play?"

So he..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2017 1:02 pm : link
was "routinely mentioned" as the best safety? All of those metrics are for 2015. And all of those articles are specifically talking about the Ravens season.

By that standard, Mark Fydrich was a HOF'er.
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annexOPR : 7/10/2017 1:04 pm : link
all I'm saying is, on the field, he was great. not good, great. he could hit, he could cover, he could do it all - very well.

I'm not enshrining him in the hall of fame, I said he had the talent/potential to end up there. he did. he was awesome.
RE: So he..  
annexOPR : 7/10/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13524360 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was "routinely mentioned" as the best safety? All of those metrics are for 2015. And all of those articles are specifically talking about the Ravens season.

By that standard, Mark Fydrich was a HOF'er.


I didn't say he was a hall of famer. he had the talent to be - I don't even know why thats such a crazy statement. have a snack.
It's a crazy statement..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2017 1:11 pm : link
because his level of play has been vastly exaggerated.

He is a very good player, but guys who are considered to be HOF talents are generational guys. Even putting him next to Eric Barry, Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, he's probably not as good.

And to put it bluntly, any player who has the ability to start in the NFL has a shitload of talent. Being in the HoF means they utilized that talent for sustained success and high achievement. The difference talent-wise between the 1st ranked player and teh 10th isn't all that different which is why saying somebody has "HoF talent" really doesn't mean that much.

Heck, Brandon Jacobs and Amani Toomer had HoF talent.
Hill - best talent of my time for Giant history  
SLIM_ : 7/10/2017 3:01 pm : link
I'm going to say this about him. I had season tickets from 1981 until I moved last year so I didn't get to see Landon Collins's last year. Safety is a position that you need to see in person or on the coaches film.

From the games that I've seen, Will Hill had the most talent than any other safety that I've seen for the Giants. We never had an Ed Reed type talent in that time but in about 35 years, Hill flashed the most.

Had the range to cover the field as a deep safety and bring the wood when he got there. Could play down low and had the inherent ability to flow through the wash.

Complete waste of talent.
He was a good player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/10/2017 3:25 pm : link
But where the hell is this hall of fame stuff coming from?
RE: Hill - best talent of my time for Giant history  
annexOPR : 7/10/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13524534 SLIM_ said:
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I'm going to say this about him. I had season tickets from 1981 until I moved last year so I didn't get to see Landon Collins's last year. Safety is a position that you need to see in person or on the coaches film.

From the games that I've seen, Will Hill had the most talent than any other safety that I've seen for the Giants. We never had an Ed Reed type talent in that time but in about 35 years, Hill flashed the most.

Had the range to cover the field as a deep safety and bring the wood when he got there. Could play down low and had the inherent ability to flow through the wash.

Complete waste of talent.


Thank you. Someone gets it. Hill really could've been special ...
Theoretical great talent based on 24 total games played.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/10/2017 5:57 pm : link
Meanwhile there are BBI members that still insist they need to see more improvement from Odell Beckham.
RE: CFL link  
SHO'NUFF : 7/10/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13524202 speedywheels said:
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How many posters were still in his corner even after his last NFL fuck up??

LOL...
He's such an idiot - ( New Window )


Thank you. Finally, someone sheds some light on WTF this thread is about.
You people  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 7/11/2017 1:47 am : link
The guy didn't keep getting suspended for flunking marijuana tests because he was stupid, he kept using the drug because he was addicted to it, you know, like millions are addicted to cigarettes and can't stop smoking, and tens of thousands are addicted to alcohol and can't stop drinking.

Under the new testing and punishment policies for marijuana - no suspension until the 4th time you flunk and the level of the drug detected by the test has to be about twice as high before the test is called positive - Hill might have played out his career as a functioning weed-head like Mickey Mantle and Billy Martin went through their Yankee careers as functioning alcoholics, often showing up at the stadium with heavy hangovers.
shifting gears even more ...  
annexOPR : 7/11/2017 9:39 am : link
it is absolutely ridiculous that I can casually go buy a handle of vodka and a pack of cigarettes but I might end up in jail for a dime bag of weed
RE: It's a crazy statement..  
Brown Recluse : 7/11/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13524374 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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because his level of play has been vastly exaggerated.

He is a very good player, but guys who are considered to be HOF talents are generational guys. Even putting him next to Eric Barry, Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, he's probably not as good.

And to put it bluntly, any player who has the ability to start in the NFL has a shitload of talent. Being in the HoF means they utilized that talent for sustained success and high achievement. The difference talent-wise between the 1st ranked player and teh 10th isn't all that different which is why saying somebody has "HoF talent" really doesn't mean that much.

Heck, Brandon Jacobs and Amani Toomer had HoF talent.


This may be a developing trend. There was a thread about Plaxico and Jerry Rice where annexOPR annointed Megatron as the most physically talented receiver ever to play in the NFL...which, may or may not be true...but it wasn't even the thread topic.
so much time wasted on this moron  
Victor in CT : 7/11/2017 10:14 am : link
give it a rest
But that's the law..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2017 10:31 am : link
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shifting gears even more ...
annexOPR : 9:39 am : link : reply
it is absolutely ridiculous that I can casually go buy a handle of vodka and a pack of cigarettes but I might end up in jail for a dime bag of weed


You can argue the law should be changed, but it is what it is. It's like saying it is ridiculous that I can have sex with an 18 year old, but it is illegal to have it with a girl one day before turning 18. Or a myriad of other examples.

- It's ridiculous you can legally pay for sex 5 miles outside of Vegas but it is illegal to do it in Vegas.
- It's ridiculous it is illegal to buy fireworks in North Carolina, but a mile away in South Carolina I can!
- It's ridiculous that I can buy beer and wine in supermarkets, but have to go to an ABC store to get harder stuff
- It is terrible that I can buy Drano with no problems, but add a bunch of other shit to it and cook it on my stove and next thing you know I'm facing 15 to life!
RE: RE: It's a crazy statement..  
annexOPR : 7/11/2017 11:03 am : link
In comment 13525135 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13524374 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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because his level of play has been vastly exaggerated.

He is a very good player, but guys who are considered to be HOF talents are generational guys. Even putting him next to Eric Barry, Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, he's probably not as good.

And to put it bluntly, any player who has the ability to start in the NFL has a shitload of talent. Being in the HoF means they utilized that talent for sustained success and high achievement. The difference talent-wise between the 1st ranked player and teh 10th isn't all that different which is why saying somebody has "HoF talent" really doesn't mean that much.

Heck, Brandon Jacobs and Amani Toomer had HoF talent.



This may be a developing trend. There was a thread about Plaxico and Jerry Rice where annexOPR annointed Megatron as the most physically talented receiver ever to play in the NFL...which, may or may not be true...but it wasn't even the thread topic.


I also included per game statistics to justify why I thought he was the best WR ever, in addition to the analytics that show just how rare his skillset was ...

but I'm sorry I mentioned someone that wasn't Rice/Owens.
RE: But that's the law..  
annexOPR : 7/11/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13525196 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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shifting gears even more ...
annexOPR : 9:39 am : link : reply
it is absolutely ridiculous that I can casually go buy a handle of vodka and a pack of cigarettes but I might end up in jail for a dime bag of weed



You can argue the law should be changed, but it is what it is. It's like saying it is ridiculous that I can have sex with an 18 year old, but it is illegal to have it with a girl one day before turning 18. Or a myriad of other examples.

- It's ridiculous you can legally pay for sex 5 miles outside of Vegas but it is illegal to do it in Vegas.
- It's ridiculous it is illegal to buy fireworks in North Carolina, but a mile away in South Carolina I can!
- It's ridiculous that I can buy beer and wine in supermarkets, but have to go to an ABC store to get harder stuff
- It is terrible that I can buy Drano with no problems, but add a bunch of other shit to it and cook it on my stove and next thing you know I'm facing 15 to life!


even more ridiculous: your mission to literally argue whatever I say.

Will Hill was a really good safety prospect. I thought he flashed signs of greatness. Happy Tuesday!
RE: RE: RE: It's a crazy statement..  
Brown Recluse : 7/11/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13525236 annexOPR said:
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In comment 13525135 Brown Recluse said:


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In comment 13524374 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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because his level of play has been vastly exaggerated.

He is a very good player, but guys who are considered to be HOF talents are generational guys. Even putting him next to Eric Barry, Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, he's probably not as good.

And to put it bluntly, any player who has the ability to start in the NFL has a shitload of talent. Being in the HoF means they utilized that talent for sustained success and high achievement. The difference talent-wise between the 1st ranked player and teh 10th isn't all that different which is why saying somebody has "HoF talent" really doesn't mean that much.

Heck, Brandon Jacobs and Amani Toomer had HoF talent.



This may be a developing trend. There was a thread about Plaxico and Jerry Rice where annexOPR annointed Megatron as the most physically talented receiver ever to play in the NFL...which, may or may not be true...but it wasn't even the thread topic.



I also included per game statistics to justify why I thought he was the best WR ever, in addition to the analytics that show just how rare his skillset was ...

but I'm sorry I mentioned someone that wasn't Rice/Owens.


No, you started off saying he was the best WR ever to play hands down. And then your argument morphed into him being the most athletic WR to ever play (these are two different things) - because you absolutely had to be right.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2017 1:33 pm : link
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even more ridiculous: your mission to literally argue whatever I say.

Will Hill was a really good safety prospect. I thought he flashed signs of greatness. Happy Tuesday!


It isn't a "mission" to point out flaws in syntax or logic.

Will Hill was a really good safety prospect. Yes.

Hall of Fame talent? Ummm, no.
Megatron is the best WR in history, hands down.  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 2:10 pm : link
"No he's not."

Megatron is the most athletic WR in history.


Will Hill was a hall of fame Safety.

"Hahaha, what?"

Will Hill was a very good Safety prospect.



Just some cliff notes for you guys.
RE: Would we have traded up  
JonC : 7/11/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13524002 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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For Collins if Hill was playing at a high level and was a good citizen? I doubt it.


Hill played FS, Collins was drafted to play SS.
Hill  
annexOPR : 7/11/2017 4:53 pm : link
looks an awful lot like Collins in this highlight reel

Collins, dare I say, has hall of fame potential.
Will Hill Highlights - ( New Window )
Collins has already played more games than Hill  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/11/2017 5:16 pm : link
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Shouldn't everybody's highlight reel  
Jimmy Googs : 7/11/2017 5:16 pm : link
make them kind of look like a HOF?

just sayin'...
Is he still harder than a Russian?  
Klaatu : 7/11/2017 5:35 pm : link
Inquiring minds want to know.
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