in four-team trade, even if it is the best one of the whole group. I bet Lee or O'Quinn wind up elsewhere, too. It better not be draft picks going elsewhere.
can someone speculate on the parameters of the trade
for us fans that dont know every single player in the NBA?
No one really knows. It's all just speculation. But the Rockets don't have a lot to trade, and what they have which is good, like Clint Capela and the Chinese prospect Qi, is stuff they want to keep very much.
and you obviously have to weigh the considerations of any potential 3rd or 4th partners in the deal, but let's hope Mills explains to Houston, I understand you want to keep a guy like Qi in the pipeline but this is Carmelo Anthony we're talking about. This is still a top 20 guy in the league and when healthy and motivated probably higher than that.
used to be that guy, but he's not that guy anymore. He's a secondary scorer now. His shots are getting further and further from the basket. He's never been in great shape and since the knee injury, he's gotten worse. I don't envision him regaining that ability because he's a shooter now as opposed to a scorer. Can he be a top 20 scorer for Houston? I guess so, but I'd bet against it. Last year he was like 25th and he was very inefficient. He was also the focal point of the offense whereas now there are 2 other key players, including one of the best scorers in the game.
that wouldn't stop teams from inquiring. Not many teams want this current version of Carmelo that makes superstar money, still thinks he's a superstar and plays like a solid secondary scorer.
Frank/Smith Jr/Mitchell argument, but I have to chime in.
Who knows what they all ultimately amount to and it's early to get too hyped up (of course I'd prefer my rookie draft picks outperform the summer league competition than not).
That said, the reason why I personally didnt love the pick is because the expert analysis (at least that I heard) on ESPN the night of the draft from Jay Bilas and a few others, is that Frank's ceiling was described as "solid pro". Forget about superstar or franchise player for a moment, I didnt even hear anything about impact or all star or anything on that level.
I understand they were picking 8th, but with 2-3 guys who project at that level or beyond, I would have aimed higher.
I'd be wary about relying on Jay BIlas's opinion on a French leaguer. I cant fathom that he scouted Frank or knows much about him.
I dont really understand the low ceiling opinions on Frank. Somehow "doesnt have an explosive first step" turned into a consensus that he's an average athlete etc.
He's a very good athlete with an under developed frame. Very common for Euros. Physically and athletically he has a great ceiling, especially because he has the physical tools to be a great defender (isnt one now). Whereas DSJ better be Baron Davis on offense because his defensive potential is limited.
to expand his NTC is to just sit him for the duration of his contract. He'll get paid but sitting on the bench for 2 years is probably not something that he'd want to do.
If Melo made it clear it's Houston or Cleveland, teams aren't gonna waste their time. Off the top of my head, Miami, Washington, Toronto, Boston, Charlotte, Minnesota, San Antonio, OKC, Utah, Milwaukee would've all put a call in, and maybe did.
a great college analyst, maybe even the best, but you can't really take his opinion as worth more than any other talking head when it comes to European prospects. He'll always pick the US college player prospect over the European guy.
The low ceiling stuff on Frank given his attributes doesn't really make sense to me. ESPN's analytics/538 group (while rating Frank as the 12th% best prospect) give him the highest odds in the entire draft to be an all-star in years 2-5. It also gives him the highest odds to not be a starter. A classic "boom-bust" pick. Link included at the bottom of my post.
It's hard to compare his stats to college players because it's not an apples to apples comparison:
""If he was on a different team, he would definitely average more points, because right now he's only playing 20 minutes," Travis says. "Those guys in college, they're playing 30-plus minutes, they're getting any shot they want. That's not how we play.
"Coach wants our guards to play structured and controlled -- that's what Frank does.""
They don't love the draft pick of an 18 year old PG who is 6'5 with the huge wing span. A kid who is universally considered to be well adjusted and mature, known for a great work ethic. Very good outside shot and comes with a defensive first mind set.
Frank checks off every box that this franchise and notably KP, sorely needs. We don't need a guy that can dazzle with highlight reel quicks or thunderous dunks. We need a guy like frank who reaches his potential.
knicks and rockets feel comfortable they have a 3rd team and that part is done, there is one player that neither houston or knicks will take and are lookong for a 4th team to take that contract...
he makes it sound like that is the last step...
there is an article but on my phone if someone can poat it
to expand his NTC is to just sit him for the duration of his contract. He'll get paid but sitting on the bench for 2 years is probably not something that he'd want to do.
Worse than sitting would be no special treatment. Sit him when his effort is low, or when he doesnt play within the schemes. Yell at him during stoppages like everyone else, on camera. Brutal honesty in post game press conferences.
knicks and rockets feel comfortable they have a 3rd team and that part is done, there is one player that neither houston or knicks will take and are lookong for a 4th team to take that contract...
he makes it sound like that is the last step...
there is an article but on my phone if someone can poat it
Uggh. Someone else is going to get assets for renting out their cap space. If should have been us. We should have done the Carroll trade.
knicks and rockets feel comfortable they have a 3rd team and that part is done, there is one player that neither houston or knicks will take and are lookong for a 4th team to take that contract...
he makes it sound like that is the last step...
there is an article but on my phone if someone can poat it
for context, the Blazers aren't even sure Leonard will be part of their rotation if he's on the team. That's how bad he's been. 5 years in the league, high pick and the Blazers never saw fit giving him significant burn (and they are a well run franchise having made the playoffs 7 of the past 9 seasons and having drafted and developed Lillard, Aldridge, McCollum, Batum (drafted by the Rockets at request of the Blazers, developed by the Blazers), Patty Mills, Crabbe etc
The low ceiling stuff on Frank given his attributes doesn't really make sense to me. ESPN's analytics/538 group (while rating Frank as the 12th% best prospect) give him the highest odds in the entire draft to be an all-star in years 2-5. It also gives him the highest odds to not be a starter. A classic "boom-bust" pick. Link included at the bottom of my post.
I recall reading when that came out that the wide range of outcomes their model had on Frank was less of a boom-or-bust issue and more of a lack of data issue (due to low minutes, and maybe league issues). Frank shouldnt be boom or bust since he's got a number of viable ways to make a rotation -- even if he doesnt full pan out his frame could let him be a defensive specialist, or his 3 point shot could be real and he could be a shooting guard (including reserve). Whereas guys who have problem shots and defensively-limiting frames are maybe more likely to be total washouts.
for context, the Blazers aren't even sure Leonard will be part of their rotation if he's on the team. That's how bad he's been. 5 years in the league, high pick and the Blazers never saw fit giving him significant burn (and they are a well run franchise having made the playoffs 7 of the past 9 seasons and having drafted and developed Lillard, Aldridge, McCollum, Batum (drafted by the Rockets at request of the Blazers, developed by the Blazers), Patty Mills, Crabbe etc
I know nothing about Leonard. What is keeping him from more significant minutes? The shooting? Defense? Other?
for context, the Blazers aren't even sure Leonard will be part of their rotation if he's on the team. That's how bad he's been. 5 years in the league, high pick and the Blazers never saw fit giving him significant burn (and they are a well run franchise having made the playoffs 7 of the past 9 seasons and having drafted and developed Lillard, Aldridge, McCollum, Batum (drafted by the Rockets at request of the Blazers, developed by the Blazers), Patty Mills, Crabbe etc
I know nothing about Leonard. What is keeping him from more significant minutes? The shooting? Defense? Other?
Previously the issue was health. ALWAYS dinged but this year he managed to play 74 games and stunk. His shooting % is a bit misleading as he has an extremely slow release so while he can knock down 3's he only takes wide open shots. He himself acknowledged his release issue
"There have been a lot of little, intricate things Drew has pointed out that helps me build a better shot routine. Hopefully that transitions into games to where I just feel really good with what Im doing and how Im doing it."
He managed to shoot a combined 39% from the field which is tough to do at his size. He's also has had back problems off and on. Any time I've seen him play he struck me as one of those classic "looks the part" but has never put it together and if anything has gone backwards. He'd be a nice player to gamble on at low money but with his owed money I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Stotts has already said he has to earn a spot in the rotation. Players going into year 6 shouldn't be in that spot.
I like the youth movement, just not sure about Baker and Hardaway being part of it at those prices. I like moving Melo rather than buying him out, I just wonder if the Knicks definition of returning assets differs from ours and the rest of the free world's. But I'll prepare for the worst.
As bad as Mudiay has been this is a no-brainer. That said, Mudiay has been shockingly bad defensively which I guess is more fixable than his shot but to be that bad on defense as such a great athlete is scary. But yeah Mudiay over Napier 10/10 times.
of Shabazz's... one of the contenders is going to get Muhammad ultra cheap aren't they? I'm not a fan of his game but he's going to land in Cleveland or SA and be a nice spark, or with Pat the Rat.
RE: There aren't any PGs coming the Knicks way from Houston or Portland
doesn't seem like a Spurs type player. Mediocre rebounder, awful passer (as in he doesn't know what the word means).
That said, I can see some other contender that needs some offense from their 2nd unit getting him cheap and making it work. He's like a poor man's JR Smith.
Both two-way and affiliate players are capped at $50,000 in partial guarantees. If a player earns a partial guarantee for greater than $50,000, then they cannot be a two-way or affiliate player for that season. This is new information for the upcoming season, but Tuesday a new nugget was thrown into the mix and I have dubbed it the 50K Rule.
The 50K Rule any player who earns more than $50,000 from an NBA team via training camp partial guarantee cannot play for that teams G League affiliate for the following season.
Now, things are getting muddy. Try to follow me here. In the past it did not matter what players were partially guaranteed at camp. If they were waived they could play for that franchises G League team as an affiliate player (subject to a four player max). Now, that is clearly not the case. This will limit how much players can earn before moving to the paltry salaries of the G League, and it sucks. Link - ( New Window )
Acquiring Melo and banking on him being olympic Melo with LeBron and Kyrie is pretty much the only hope Cleveland has at competing with the KD version of GS.
I've said it before but I'm to the point as a Knicks fan where I just want to actually care about players being in foul trouble late. Get me to that point again, thanks.
A deal that would end the Carmelo Anthony era in New York and reunite the All Star forward with Mike D'Antoni in Houston "is at the two yard line" a person familiar with the trade negotiations told the Daily News.
On Wednesday, ESPN reported that the Knicks and Rockets are trying to recruit a fourth team into a proposed deal to facilitate a blockbuster trade. The deal needs to be expanded due to Anthony's contract and the fact that the Knicks are opposed to acquiring Rockets forward Ryan Anderson.
The Knicks plan is to avoid adding veteran players with long term contracts.
No one really knows. It's all just speculation. But the Rockets don't have a lot to trade, and what they have which is good, like Clint Capela and the Chinese prospect Qi, is stuff they want to keep very much.
He's not what he once was but this is a big deal for Houston. Carmelo's presence would greatly impact their team.
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Who knows what they all ultimately amount to and it's early to get too hyped up (of course I'd prefer my rookie draft picks outperform the summer league competition than not).
That said, the reason why I personally didnt love the pick is because the expert analysis (at least that I heard) on ESPN the night of the draft from Jay Bilas and a few others, is that Frank's ceiling was described as "solid pro". Forget about superstar or franchise player for a moment, I didnt even hear anything about impact or all star or anything on that level.
I understand they were picking 8th, but with 2-3 guys who project at that level or beyond, I would have aimed higher.
I'd be wary about relying on Jay BIlas's opinion on a French leaguer. I cant fathom that he scouted Frank or knows much about him.
I dont really understand the low ceiling opinions on Frank. Somehow "doesnt have an explosive first step" turned into a consensus that he's an average athlete etc.
He's a very good athlete with an under developed frame. Very common for Euros. Physically and athletically he has a great ceiling, especially because he has the physical tools to be a great defender (isnt one now). Whereas DSJ better be Baron Davis on offense because his defensive potential is limited.
The only saving grace is mills is parroting the whole younger, athletic mantra. But I'm scared the melo deal mimics the Ewing trade/fiasco.
lol cmon phil.
The low ceiling stuff on Frank given his attributes doesn't really make sense to me. ESPN's analytics/538 group (while rating Frank as the 12th% best prospect) give him the highest odds in the entire draft to be an all-star in years 2-5. It also gives him the highest odds to not be a starter. A classic "boom-bust" pick. Link included at the bottom of my post.
It's hard to compare his stats to college players because it's not an apples to apples comparison:
""If he was on a different team, he would definitely average more points, because right now he's only playing 20 minutes," Travis says. "Those guys in college, they're playing 30-plus minutes, they're getting any shot they want. That's not how we play.
"Coach wants our guards to play structured and controlled -- that's what Frank does.""
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19681478/most-likely-all-stars-starters-role-players-top-2017-nba-draft - ( New Window )
Frank checks off every box that this franchise and notably KP, sorely needs. We don't need a guy that can dazzle with highlight reel quicks or thunderous dunks. We need a guy like frank who reaches his potential.
he makes it sound like that is the last step...
there is an article but on my phone if someone can poat it
Worse than sitting would be no special treatment. Sit him when his effort is low, or when he doesnt play within the schemes. Yell at him during stoppages like everyone else, on camera. Brutal honesty in post game press conferences.
he makes it sound like that is the last step...
there is an article but on my phone if someone can poat it
Uggh. Someone else is going to get assets for renting out their cap space. If should have been us. We should have done the Carroll trade.
he makes it sound like that is the last step...
there is an article but on my phone if someone can poat it
It's almost certainly Myers Leonard.
The low ceiling stuff on Frank given his attributes doesn't really make sense to me. ESPN's analytics/538 group (while rating Frank as the 12th% best prospect) give him the highest odds in the entire draft to be an all-star in years 2-5. It also gives him the highest odds to not be a starter. A classic "boom-bust" pick. Link included at the bottom of my post.
I recall reading when that came out that the wide range of outcomes their model had on Frank was less of a boom-or-bust issue and more of a lack of data issue (due to low minutes, and maybe league issues). Frank shouldnt be boom or bust since he's got a number of viable ways to make a rotation -- even if he doesnt full pan out his frame could let him be a defensive specialist, or his 3 point shot could be real and he could be a shooting guard (including reserve). Whereas guys who have problem shots and defensively-limiting frames are maybe more likely to be total washouts.
I know nothing about Leonard. What is keeping him from more significant minutes? The shooting? Defense? Other?
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for context, the Blazers aren't even sure Leonard will be part of their rotation if he's on the team. That's how bad he's been. 5 years in the league, high pick and the Blazers never saw fit giving him significant burn (and they are a well run franchise having made the playoffs 7 of the past 9 seasons and having drafted and developed Lillard, Aldridge, McCollum, Batum (drafted by the Rockets at request of the Blazers, developed by the Blazers), Patty Mills, Crabbe etc
I know nothing about Leonard. What is keeping him from more significant minutes? The shooting? Defense? Other?
Previously the issue was health. ALWAYS dinged but this year he managed to play 74 games and stunk. His shooting % is a bit misleading as he has an extremely slow release so while he can knock down 3's he only takes wide open shots. He himself acknowledged his release issue
"There have been a lot of little, intricate things Drew has pointed out that helps me build a better shot routine. Hopefully that transitions into games to where I just feel really good with what Im doing and how Im doing it."
He managed to shoot a combined 39% from the field which is tough to do at his size. He's also has had back problems off and on. Any time I've seen him play he struck me as one of those classic "looks the part" but has never put it together and if anything has gone backwards. He'd be a nice player to gamble on at low money but with his owed money I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Stotts has already said he has to earn a spot in the rotation. Players going into year 6 shouldn't be in that spot.
As bad as Mudiay has been this is a no-brainer. That said, Mudiay has been shockingly bad defensively which I guess is more fixable than his shot but to be that bad on defense as such a great athlete is scary. But yeah Mudiay over Napier 10/10 times.
Yes, but this trade(or series of trades if Lee is dealt) will probably create cap space to sign Rondo.
That said, I can see some other contender that needs some offense from their 2nd unit getting him cheap and making it work. He's like a poor man's JR Smith.
i say apparently because i didnt hear him say it
i say apparently because i didnt hear him say it
maybe we can get lebron in the deal for Melo if we throw in Baker or THJ.
The 50K Rule any player who earns more than $50,000 from an NBA team via training camp partial guarantee cannot play for that teams G League affiliate for the following season.
Now, things are getting muddy. Try to follow me here. In the past it did not matter what players were partially guaranteed at camp. If they were waived they could play for that franchises G League team as an affiliate player (subject to a four player max). Now, that is clearly not the case. This will limit how much players can earn before moving to the paltry salaries of the G League, and it sucks.
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i say apparently because i didnt hear him say it
"Hello Steve, now that Phil is gone, do you want Shumpert back? No, ok, thanks anyway. What about J.... ok, right."
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JUST IN: @nyknicks - @HoustonRockets deal to send Carmelo to Houston "is at the two yard line
On Wednesday, ESPN reported that the Knicks and Rockets are trying to recruit a fourth team into a proposed deal to facilitate a blockbuster trade. The deal needs to be expanded due to Anthony's contract and the fact that the Knicks are opposed to acquiring Rockets forward Ryan Anderson.
The Knicks plan is to avoid adding veteran players with long term contracts.
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