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Berrylish : 7/11/2017 3:01 pm
I adopted a rescue yesterday. She's a two year old Aussie shepherd. She was previously housebroken. She's soooo well behaved and loyal already! I took her for 3 walks last night. She never peed or pooped outside. Overnight she pooped twice and peed inside. I walked her first thing this morning and again after eating. Nothing. I took her to the dog park for 2.5 hrs. She's incredibly social with people and other dogs. She ran around the entire field and played with a couple of other dogs. No peeing noted. I walked her a bit when we got back. Nothing. She's out cold now from her busy morning.

How do I get her back to being housebroken?

I don't want to crate her as she's never been crated and I don't want her to feel like she is being punished now.

Any advice?
Crate her  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/11/2017 3:17 pm : link
Despite your reservations, it's the best method. Dogs don't like to pee where they sleep. Get one that's just a bit bigger than she is so she doesn't have room to have a corner to pee in without laying in it. Make it comfortable, put treats in to make it a positive place.

Until she's trained, she stays in the crate unless someone is there and will keep an eye on her. If you spot her trying to go in the house, give her a firm NO and immediately take her out. When she goes outside, give her a treat and effusive praise.
Dogs don't view crates  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2017 3:22 pm : link
as a punishment and they should not be used as one.

when used correctly dogs use crates as a solace, a sanctuary where they can be alone when they want to. You should have a sheet over the crate so it's dark inside and maybe a couple toys or chew treats.

My dog now sometimes just goes in her crate on her own since the crate door is open.

She only is ever crated anymore when everyone is going out and we try not to leave her home alone too long, but when she senses we're all leaving she is smart enough to go and lay in her crate on her own.

I don't know if this will solve the housebreaking issue, but for us, our dog was in the crate and first thing we did when taking her out was bring her outside. Like Jim said they won't pee or poop in their crate unless you leave them in there too long, so when they come out of it they usually have to go and that helps train them to go outside. I assume.
"She was previously housebroken."  
Motley Two : 7/11/2017 3:23 pm : link
Um, you sure?

You post sounds closer to: Reason the dog was available for rescue.
An Aussie  
Johnny5 : 7/11/2017 3:24 pm : link
Awesome Berry! My girl is a 5 yr old Aussie. A blue eyed blue merle. They are a GREAT breed. So smart. I love that girl to pieces.

And... they are so STUBBORN. If she is going inside at 2 yrs that could be one of the main reasons someone gave her up. Tough to break that habit. On the crating, honestly I never was a fan but it helped to house break my Aussie (who would only go on a rug in the house). She refuses to soil where she sleeps, so she will literally never go to the bathroom in her crate. If she is going in the house at night you may want to try crating her for sleeping, and then bring her out first thing... at least until she starts going outside.

I know you can break that though, my dog still has accidents once in a while if she is in too long but she really wasn't getting the not going in the house thing for the 1st year (or more) of her life. Crating and removing rugs is what worked for me... oh, and their energy levels are through the roof. If mine doesn't get enough exercise she can slip.
interesting  
Berrylish : 7/11/2017 3:25 pm : link
a few people at the dog park said that the dogs will pee and poop in their crates and it's a bigger mess than cleaning the carpet. That's why I'm not so sure. I guess I'll be open to any suggestions.
No, she was  
Berrylish : 7/11/2017 3:26 pm : link
given up by her previous owner in Kentucky. The dog was very well trained at the rescue place. (according to them)
RE: interesting  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13525571 Berrylish said:
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a few people at the dog park said that the dogs will pee and poop in their crates and it's a bigger mess than cleaning the carpet. That's why I'm not so sure. I guess I'll be open to any suggestions.


We had a puppy who did and then also proceeded to eat the entire crate bed to shreds. but it's rare and usually it's a puppy with a small bladder that needs to go out every few hours or you left the dog in there too long. The crate should be size so it's not huge the dog should be able to stand and turn around, but not a lot of excess room and they won't go to the bathroom in it (generally speaking).
Thanks  
Berrylish : 7/11/2017 3:29 pm : link
Johnny. She's a red merle with light brown eyes. She's so pretty and so obedient. She knows all the important commands. Yesterday she didn't pee until the morning, sometime after 6am. I picked her up at 4pm prior. I'll look into crates.
Did she have a doggy door?  
madgiantscow009 : 7/11/2017 3:29 pm : link
My dog won't even pee when we go for a hike or walk (which is great not carrying a poop bag. He's 100% potty trained, but waits until he's in his own backyard.
Maybe there is some breed  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2017 3:34 pm : link
related traits too, my dog pees every 30 seconds on a walk (marking her territory?), drives my wife crazy when she tries to take the dog on a run.
Berry  
NYG27 : 7/11/2017 3:36 pm : link
Crate training is best in your situation. As others mentioned, use positive reinforcements with going into the crate and never put her in the crate as a punishment.

Pretty soon, she will see the crate as her personal den and even go in there on her own to relax in with the door open.

When you start crate training, don't leave her in that long, just 3-4 hours and then immediately take her outside to do her business. Then gradually increase that time.
Crate is great!  
BigBlue2112 : 7/11/2017 4:01 pm : link
Do not forget that! It is NOT a punishment.
That's so awesome Berry  
Johnny5 : 7/11/2017 4:28 pm : link
I love my Ella she is one of the best dogs I have ever owned. Great frisbee dog lol... for sure. She is not the easiest dog I have owned but she is definitely one of my faves. A LOT of personality! Good luck, keep us posted how it's working out.
Dogs have a den instinct  
Giant John : 7/11/2017 4:37 pm : link
Think wolves. They live in caves. It's not punishment. my dog is 21 months and goes in and out of the crate as he pleases. It's great!
Agree with everyone who says crate training  
jlukes : 7/11/2017 4:39 pm : link
also, rescue dogs often take days or even weeks to warm up to their new surroundings.

Do the crate training, give some routine to her life, and shell be good to go
RE: Dogs have a den instinct  
David in LA : 7/11/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13525659 Giant John said:
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Think wolves. They live in caves. It's not punishment. my dog is 21 months and goes in and out of the crate as he pleases. It's great!


That explains why my English Bulldog likes to chill out in crevices. He'll wedge himself between two connecting sofa's and be right at home.
Agree with the Crate comments  
prh : 7/11/2017 4:45 pm : link
I'll only add that if you can contact the previous owners. See what strategies they used in housebreaking and rewards.
like  
mdthedream : 7/11/2017 4:56 pm : link
jluke said they take weeks to adjust. Give it time.
To be fair, though I crate her  
Johnny5 : 7/11/2017 5:06 pm : link
And she goes in without any drama... I have to go against the grain here somewhat as far as the dog enjoying it... my Ella is not in love with the crate. As a matter of fact she gets pretty indignant with me when I put her in and she won't even let me touch her between the bars until I let her out... lol. She has quite the 'tude.

I am hoping it's just a case of her getting used to your routine Berry and that wouldn't surprise me. That said I know you'll get it worked out... enjoy that doggy!
Berry  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2017 5:49 pm : link
You said she was from Kentucky? I am guessing the dog was never leashed especially when trying to go to the bathroom? Does the dog have to be leashed?

I have a shetland sheepdog. He is a herder like your dog. Do you have a yard that she can go to the bathroom in without being leashed?

It is going to take time. The dog has to get comfortable with its new environment. I agree with you and the other posters. Yes, crates are great BUT this dog is older so you don't know the nature or history with crates. Yes, it absolutely can be a disaster if they piss/poop in the cage. I would do the crate thing but only during certain times and probably after she gets comfortable going outside.

Just keep saying a phrase. I say a dumb phrase but my dog gets it. I just say, "Do you have to go pee-pee or poo-poo?" He gets all excited. When the dog does go outside get very excited. I cannot speak for Australian Shepards but my herding dog does much better with positive reinforcement such as getting really excited and making a big deal about something. Not every dog is he same.

I think if the dog was house-broken then it won't take long for the dog to learn its new environment.
Absolutely agree with crate training  
KeoweeFan : 7/11/2017 7:16 pm : link
(and you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.)
#1 - NEVER use the crate as punishment.

- You may want to initially leave the door open and put in treats or toys (whatever turns her on).

- use a consistent cheerful command; e.g. "kennel up"

- Be creative, buy a 1/4 " piece of plywood to cover the top of the crate and then find material that matches your room's decor to go over the crate. Makes a fine end table. (most seamtresses know how to make a crate cover with a flap.)

- If you're lucky the pet will enjoy going in the crate on command (e.g when you have company). Our goldens would eagerly obey "kennel up".

- You breed has LOTS of energy. You may find it helpful to crate the pet before company arrives and then let her out (if you want) a while later after she gets used to the calm voices from you and your guest. (Initial greetings are often problematic)
What did you do when he went in the house to teach him it was wrong?  
steve in ky : 7/11/2017 7:17 pm : link
I have never cared for crating either and have successfully housebroken a few dogs with little issue but you need to teach them as well as take them out.

Dogs are smart they can get it. I would always put their nose close to the (pee or poop) and tap their snout a couple times while saying "no, no, bad boy". Don't hit them or push their nose into it, that would be cruel, but by just holding the nose very close to it, and with a couple small taps and the verbal correction most dogs will learn pretty quietly that is frowned upon behaviour and if they are properly praised when they do go outside they will learn to wait.

If you have a yard you could even after having corrected them take the poop and carry it (with them in tow) outside and place it in the area that you desire they relieve themselves. I train my dogs to go to the same back corner of the yard so the yard isn't a constant mess.
Well I took her to the dog park today for about two and a half hours  
Berrylish : 7/11/2017 7:24 pm : link
Let her socialize and wander on her own and also ran around with her. As far as I know she didn't pee or poop. When we got home, I walked her for a bit and she didn't go. So I went out for about a half hour and when I came home, she had pooped. She's doing it in the same spot in the house. This time she knew she did something wrong. She came crawling towards me with her head down and I gave her a firm no. Tonight I fed her and waited about 30 minutes and took her for a walk. Nothing. We will walk again in an hour or so and see what happens.
Never crated  
mdthedream : 7/11/2017 9:11 pm : link
my dog and she is great.
RE: Never crated  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/11/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13525853 mdthedream said:
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my dog and she is great.


Ok, great: help out Berrylish.
haha thanks Jim  
Berrylish : 7/11/2017 10:15 pm : link
I am picking up a crate tomorrow. I took her out again tonight for a good mile and a half walk. I THINK she peed outside, she definitely let a little bit go inside, at the top of the steps that go down to the foyer and front door.

I put down wee wee pads just as a precaution. She seems to favor that area. She hasn't barked since I got her so I'm not sure of what signals she may be throwing out there. She hasn't run up to me all antsy or jumpy to go outside.

She's definitely tuckered out from her busy day, so hopefully the damage tonight is minimal.

RE: haha thanks Jim  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/11/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13525898 Berrylish said:
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I am picking up a crate tomorrow. I took her out again tonight for a good mile and a half walk. I THINK she peed outside, she definitely let a little bit go inside, at the top of the steps that go down to the foyer and front door.

I put down wee wee pads just as a precaution. She seems to favor that area. She hasn't barked since I got her so I'm not sure of what signals she may be throwing out there. She hasn't run up to me all antsy or jumpy to go outside.

She's definitely tuckered out from her busy day, so hopefully the damage tonight is minimal.


What you need to do Beerylish. It can help you in sooo many ways as you have an active/protective breed.
I had a dog once that would shit on the floor  
mavric : 7/12/2017 8:43 am : link
He was a quick learner though. The first time he crapped on the floor, I rubbed his nose in it and threw him out the window. The next time he had to crap, he took a dump on the living room floor right in front of me, rubbed his own nose in it, then jumped out the window.
You sound like an asshole  
Berrylish : 7/12/2017 9:11 am : link
For throwing a dog out a window. I hope the dog ran away.
RE: You sound like an asshole  
mavric : 7/12/2017 9:32 am : link
In comment 13526035 Berrylish said:
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For throwing a dog out a window. I hope the dog ran away.


LOL - it's a joke! Lighten up. In case you didn't understand the punch line, it was that the dog was "so smart" and a "quick learner".
Inflection cannot be inferred  
Berrylish : 7/12/2017 1:31 pm : link
On the interwebz. Anyway. I picked up a crate today. Put a blanket on the bottom and two toys and covered it with a large blanket. She went right in. She's sleeping in there now. However she peed and pooped while I was gone. Keeping my fingers crossed for this.
RE: Inflection cannot be inferred  
NYG27 : 7/12/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13526399 Berrylish said:
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On the interwebz. Anyway. I picked up a crate today. Put a blanket on the bottom and two toys and covered it with a large blanket. She went right in. She's sleeping in there now. However she peed and pooped while I was gone. Keeping my fingers crossed for this.


How big is the crate? It should only be enough for the dog to comfortable turn around in. Any larger, your just inviting the dog to poop\pee in the corner of the cage that won't be near her.

If she pooped\peed in the crate while you were gone, try to use the divider that comes with these crates to make her space smaller.
its  
Berrylish : 7/12/2017 2:26 pm : link
the right size for her, she can stand up and turn around. that's about it. she peed and pooped on the rug while i was out picking up the crate. SO we will see. She likes the crate so far.
Well how did she do?  
steve in ky : 7/14/2017 3:49 pm : link
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Everyone's dead on about the crate thing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/14/2017 3:57 pm : link
You want your dog to associate the crate with safety and comfort. It's not a punishment, don't use it like one.

The best advice I could give a dog owner is not to treat your dog like a human child. They're social animals who have an instinct to follow. They're comfortable in homes with structure and rules and someone they can identify as in charge.
So the crate thing is working  
Berrylish : 7/16/2017 7:32 am : link
She peed yesterday, outside for the first time. No poop. this morning she did both! She gets a treat and lots of praise when she goes. She loves the crate and I do feed her in there just as a little security (partly for me ). Thanks to everyone for their help. She's becoming quite the popular little lady in our neighborhood. She's the friendliest little girl!
So the crate thing is working  
Berrylish : 7/16/2017 7:34 am : link
She peed yesterday, outside for the first time. No poop. this morning she did both! She gets a treat and lots of praise when she goes. She loves the crate and I do feed her in there just as a little security (partly for me ). Thanks to everyone for their help. She's becoming quite the popular little lady in our neighborhood. She's the friendliest little girl!
Yay!  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/16/2017 5:13 pm : link
Glad it's working out. Dogs usually catch on pretty quick once you're able to communicate what they should do,
RE: So the crate thing is working  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/16/2017 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13529232 Berrylish said:
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She peed yesterday, outside for the first time. No poop. this morning she did both! She gets a treat and lots of praise when she goes. She loves the crate and I do feed her in there just as a little security (partly for me ). Thanks to everyone for their help. She's becoming quite the popular little lady in our neighborhood. She's the friendliest little girl!


Great job Berrylish. Keep up the the good work. Don't let down
That is so awesome Berrylish  
Johnny5 : 7/17/2017 9:29 am : link
So glad it's working out for you!
enjoy the doggie B  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/17/2017 12:36 pm : link
she's a cutie -- I seen the pics!

conrats on the outside peepee -- that's got to feel good that you were able to turn this around.
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