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NFT: Add murder to Penn State's resume

B in ALB : 7/11/2017 3:49 pm
Nice little institute of higher learning they have there in Happy Valley.

Rapes, child molestation, cover ups, and now murder.

We are!
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Man Slaughter  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/11/2017 3:51 pm : link
Still not a peachy institute, but let's just get it right.
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Mike in Long Beach : 7/11/2017 3:52 pm : link
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Casey is one of 16 Beta Theta Pi brothers facing more than 850 counts in Piazza's death. He, along with Brendan Young Jr. the chapter's president at the time of Piazza's death is among the brothers facing more serious charges, including aggravated assault and involuntary manslaughter.


And no, it's not semantics.
They could call it  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 3:52 pm : link
Death by classmate. I don't care. They fuckin killed that poor kid.
RE: They could call it  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/11/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13525615 B in ALB said:
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Death by classmate. I don't care. They fuckin killed that poor kid.


Yes they did. Agreed there.
And btw  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/11/2017 3:57 pm : link
To not misconstrue my opinion here... while I think the murder vs. involuntary manslaughter distinction is necessary, I'm firmly in the group that believes these young men deserve to do time. I went to college at a Big 10 University and I'm well aware of the culture. This was pretty obviously a crime, and I almost think involuntary isn't harsh enough. This wasn't "boys will be boys" gone wrong. I've seen the hazing process first hand. It can be a constructive initiation phase for kids interested in Greek life, but anyone who's not a total sociopath knows there's a line.
Fraternities are fucking stupid  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2017 4:00 pm : link
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Tragic, Horrible, and Incredibly sad.  
BigBlue2112 : 7/11/2017 4:00 pm : link
But let's not act like this behavior is unique to PSU. This could have happened at any college across the country.
RE: Tragic, Horrible, and Incredibly sad.  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13525624 BigBlue2112 said:
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But let's not act like this behavior is unique to PSU. This could have happened at any college across the country.


Didn't say anything about that at all.

But ruining people's lives seems to be part of the PSU culture.

I heard it's an actual major there now.
Frats  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/11/2017 4:04 pm : link
suck.
RE: Tragic, Horrible, and Incredibly sad.  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/11/2017 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13525624 BigBlue2112 said:
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But let's not act like this behavior is unique to PSU. This could have happened at any college across the country.


I went to Ohio State. I lived in a frat house my junior year (I was not in the frat). I witnessed the hazing.

This isn't a thing that ever happened. The "drinking hazing" I witnessed wasn't "9 drinks in 1 hour" stuff. It was making a pledge drink a microwaved shot of Wild Turkey or make them "sip" every time someone cursed or something. No one would ever be pushed to a truly unhealthy level like that (let alone ignored after collapsing down a flight of stairs).

Beyond that, all of the hazing consisted of things like making them carry the keg up the stairs... and then actually, you know what? We want it in the living room.... Nahhhh, I changed my mind. Back upstairs. Shit like that.
Animal house  
spike : 7/11/2017 4:06 pm : link
Indeed
College is overrated  
spike : 7/11/2017 4:08 pm : link
When you are wasting time with killing people instead of preparing for the next stage of life
I dislike Penn State intensely....  
Dunedin81 : 7/11/2017 4:10 pm : link
but linking this to the sex assault scandal is tenuous. Hazing deaths from binge drinking and the like have occurred at Clemson, Cornell, Baruch College and a number of others over the last ten years or so. Awful, grotesque, criminal, without question. But I don't see the tie to Sandusky and JoePa.
I don't know Dune  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 4:16 pm : link
Maybe just the culture of tampering and fabricating evidence, willfully trying to cover something up strikes me as something that many Penn Staters seem comfortable with.

I mean hell, many of these cult members think the Sandusky thing didn't even happen! They live in their own world.

Now these kids are tampering with and fabricating evidence after a kid dies?

Happy Valley doesn't seem so happy to me.
I never really understood the allure of fraternities  
pganut : 7/11/2017 4:26 pm : link
Never felt like buying friends or using Greek letters to get chicks. Not judging, just my personal take. Having played lax at PSU made the latter easier to come by. I know you know this, but not all of us alums worshipped at the Shrine of St. Joe.

What happened to the Piazza boy could have (and has) happened elsewhere and is as reprehensible regardless of institution. And FWIW, I'd been in that Beta house for many a party back in the day. That stairwell was always an area looking for trouble when alcohol was involved.
Honestly, this could happen at any college  
David in LA : 7/11/2017 4:29 pm : link
it's not exclusive to PSU, but I do agree that the PSU sympathizers are lunatics, and they suck ass.
RE: They could call it  
section125 : 7/11/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13525615 B in ALB said:
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Death by classmate. I don't care. They fuckin killed that poor kid.


Yeah, Penn State did it, not the Fraternity....get a grip. Hateful institution, I agree, but the University didn't kill the kid.
And about a dozen people should be doing jail time over this.
RE: RE: They could call it  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13525655 section125 said:
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In comment 13525615 B in ALB said:


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Death by classmate. I don't care. They fuckin killed that poor kid.



Yeah, Penn State did it, not the Fraternity....get a grip. Hateful institution, I agree, but the University didn't kill the kid.
And about a dozen people should be doing jail time over this.


Get a grip? Fuck you talkin about section?
I guess it's now Penn-itentiary State?  
Victor in CT : 7/11/2017 4:40 pm : link
;-)
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section125 : 7/11/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13525660 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13525655 section125 said:


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In comment 13525615 B in ALB said:


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Death by classmate. I don't care. They fuckin killed that poor kid.



Yeah, Penn State did it, not the Fraternity....get a grip. Hateful institution, I agree, but the University didn't kill the kid.
And about a dozen people should be doing jail time over this.



Get a grip? Fuck you talkin about section?


You blaming the University, not the fraternity. Every university has shitty frats and sororities. This one was the worst of the worst.
Blame the Frat not the university. I'd expect that kind of generalization from brownstain, not you.

And no, I'm not really comparing you to brownstain.
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B in ALB : 7/11/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13525667 section125 said:
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In comment 13525655 section125 said:


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In comment 13525615 B in ALB said:


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Death by classmate. I don't care. They fuckin killed that poor kid.



Yeah, Penn State did it, not the Fraternity....get a grip. Hateful institution, I agree, but the University didn't kill the kid.
And about a dozen people should be doing jail time over this.



Get a grip? Fuck you talkin about section?



You blaming the University, not the fraternity. Every university has shitty frats and sororities. This one was the worst of the worst.
Blame the Frat not the university. I'd expect that kind of generalization from brownstain, not you.

And no, I'm not really comparing you to brownstain.


It was a bit of a tongue in cheek statement bud.
Shit, got  
section125 : 7/11/2017 5:01 pm : link
me....damn it. Hate when that happens.

And I was having a good day sucking Pina Coladas....

I apologize for the brownstain thing.
this isn't a penn state issue  
MookGiants : 7/11/2017 5:13 pm : link
it's a national issue with fraternities. I know they do some good, but the frat mentality and hazing are a disgrace. On no planet is it ok to haze the way a lot of fraternities do. People humiliate themselves during their "pledging" or "initiation". I'll never understand why.
RE: RE: Tragic, Horrible, and Incredibly sad.  
LS : 7/11/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13525628 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13525624 BigBlue2112 said:


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But let's not act like this behavior is unique to PSU. This could have happened at any college across the country.



Didn't say anything about that at all.

But ruining people's lives seems to be part of the PSU culture.

I heard it's an actual major there now.

You're a fucking idiot.
Has anyone at PSU said these guys should be let off easy?  
njm : 7/11/2017 5:22 pm : link
Hell, this has happened at MIT. So unless there is something that the administration or students have done that's out of the norm, I don't see why (for this specific incident) any animus should be directed to the university.
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B in ALB : 7/11/2017 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13525706 LS said:
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In comment 13525628 B in ALB said:


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In comment 13525624 BigBlue2112 said:


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But let's not act like this behavior is unique to PSU. This could have happened at any college across the country.



Didn't say anything about that at all.

But ruining people's lives seems to be part of the PSU culture.

I heard it's an actual major there now.


You're a fucking idiot.


I know you are, but what am I?
Beta President Brendan Young Jr worked for me for a couple of years.  
GiantGolfer : 7/11/2017 6:11 pm : link
Always seemed like a decent kid, but there was always a level of arrogance around him. It has continued even after this tragedy unfortunately.
RE: Has anyone at PSU said these guys should be let off easy?  
Bramton1 : 7/11/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13525707 njm said:
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Hell, this has happened at MIT. So unless there is something that the administration or students have done that's out of the norm, I don't see why (for this specific incident) any animus should be directed to the university.


Actually, Penn State really dropped the hammer in the Greek system at PSU.

1. Fall 2017 rush canceled
2. Students must have at least 12 completed credit hours before they can rush.
3. Frats limited to 10 social events per semester (previously was 45).
4. No liquor at social events. No kegs at social events.
5. Beer and wine can only be served by a third-party RAMP bartender certified person at social events.
7. Hazing will likely result in suspension of chapter charter.
8. Alcohol banned from social events for the last three months of the Spring 2017 semester (these are announced back in February).
9. Regular unannounced University compliance checkers, who will have full access to every part of a frat house.

After 9 of the 81 frats violated at list some of the new regulations in March, they banned all social events for two weeks. One frat, that broke almost every new rule imposed, got a 2-year suspension of their charter.

The Penn State president said if the frats can not follow the rules, they'll kill Greek Life at Penn State.
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arcarsenal : 7/12/2017 11:01 am : link
Frats are so fucking stupid.
wow, they're on double secret probation  
Victor in CT : 7/12/2017 11:15 am : link
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RE: RE: Tragic, Horrible, and Incredibly sad.  
The 12th Man : 7/12/2017 11:20 am : link
In comment 13525628 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13525624 BigBlue2112 said:


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But let's not act like this behavior is unique to PSU. This could have happened at any college across the country.



Didn't say anything about that at all.

But ruining people's lives seems to be part of the PSU culture.

I heard it's an actual major there now.


My daughter will be attending Penn State next year. Your comments are way over the top. This is not the 1st and it will not be the last school that has an issue with a frat and kids drinking too much. What the kids in that frat did was heinous. They will pay for their actions. As for Penn State, it is still a great school for kids to attend for a quality education. I know you believe your comments make you sound like a comedian. I do not condone what those kids have done but go to any college campus and tell me what you find? I did not tell my daughter where she should go or not go, this was her choice. That said come Aug. as a family We Are Penn State!
Frats are for losers  
Lawrence_Taylor_56 : 7/12/2017 11:22 am : link
News at 11
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njm : 7/12/2017 11:25 am : link
In comment 13526206 The 12th Man said:
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That said come Aug. as a family We Are Penn State!


And with where out-of-state tuition is these days you might be eating corn flakes for dinner.
RE: RE: Has anyone at PSU said these guys should be let off easy?  
The 12th Man : 7/12/2017 11:33 am : link
In comment 13525915 Bramton1 said:
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In comment 13525707 njm said:


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Hell, this has happened at MIT. So unless there is something that the administration or students have done that's out of the norm, I don't see why (for this specific incident) any animus should be directed to the university.



Actually, Penn State really dropped the hammer in the Greek system at PSU.

1. Fall 2017 rush canceled
2. Students must have at least 12 completed credit hours before they can rush.
3. Frats limited to 10 social events per semester (previously was 45).
4. No liquor at social events. No kegs at social events.
5. Beer and wine can only be served by a third-party RAMP bartender certified person at social events.
7. Hazing will likely result in suspension of chapter charter.
8. Alcohol banned from social events for the last three months of the Spring 2017 semester (these are announced back in February).
9. Regular unannounced University compliance checkers, who will have full access to every part of a frat house.

After 9 of the 81 frats violated at list some of the new regulations in March, they banned all social events for two weeks. One frat, that broke almost every new rule imposed, got a 2-year suspension of their charter.

The Penn State president said if the frats can not follow the rules, they'll kill Greek Life at Penn State.


Do not worry B In AlB knows better how to handle this than the University handled the matter. His comments blaming the entire university is just ridiculous. I heard about the rule changes when we were touring the campus. Most of the kids who were there that we discussed this issue with thought the changes made sense. My own personal opinion is that freshman should not be allowed to pledge at all in any university. To me having them wait until Sophomore year where they have a full year of college under their belt would be better for everyone.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Tragic, Horrible, and Incredibly sad.  
The 12th Man : 7/12/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13526220 njm said:
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In comment 13526206 The 12th Man said:


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That said come Aug. as a family We Are Penn State!



And with where out-of-state tuition is these days you might be eating corn flakes for dinner.


Yep
My nieces go to Penn State  
Giants86 : 7/12/2017 12:50 pm : link
happens on most college campuses in the US. Sad but true.
RE: My nieces go to Penn State  
Sonic Youth : 7/12/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13526323 Giants86 said:
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happens on most college campuses in the US. Sad but true.
Not really, no.
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Sonic Youth : 7/12/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13526206 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 13525628 B in ALB said:


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In comment 13525624 BigBlue2112 said:


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But let's not act like this behavior is unique to PSU. This could have happened at any college across the country.



Didn't say anything about that at all.

But ruining people's lives seems to be part of the PSU culture.

I heard it's an actual major there now.



My daughter will be attending Penn State next year. Your comments are way over the top. This is not the 1st and it will not be the last school that has an issue with a frat and kids drinking too much. What the kids in that frat did was heinous. They will pay for their actions. As for Penn State, it is still a great school for kids to attend for a quality education. I know you believe your comments make you sound like a comedian. I do not condone what those kids have done but go to any college campus and tell me what you find? I did not tell my daughter where she should go or not go, this was her choice. That said come Aug. as a family We Are Penn State!
Sad how the indoctrination starts so early.

Yeah, come august, you're a family! A family that rallies around a football team so important, child sodomy and child rape over decades couldn't even knock some sense into disbanding the team on your own accord!

Fuck Penn State
So this kid was hospitalized on February 3  
B in ALB : 7/12/2017 1:08 pm : link
And the university put forth new guidelines and rules for fraternities on March 30.

And we should applaud their efforts?

It took a kid dying before they instituted the rules that you now seem to agree with wholeheartedly.

Great job.

I'd suspect that PSU is in for yet another lawsuit.
RE: So this kid was hospitalized on February 3  
Chris in Philly : 7/12/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13526354 B in ALB said:
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And the university put forth new guidelines and rules for fraternities on March 30.

And we should applaud their efforts?

It took a kid dying before they instituted the rules that you now seem to agree with wholeheartedly.

Great job.

I'd suspect that PSU is in for yet another lawsuit.


Meanwhile, most colleges have guidelines like already in place...
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B in ALB : 7/12/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13526358 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13526354 B in ALB said:


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And the university put forth new guidelines and rules for fraternities on March 30.

And we should applaud their efforts?

It took a kid dying before they instituted the rules that you now seem to agree with wholeheartedly.

Great job.

I'd suspect that PSU is in for yet another lawsuit.



Meanwhile, most colleges have guidelines like already in place...


Exaaaaaaactly.
I'd rather see my kids do just about anything other than attending PSU  
Greg from LI : 7/12/2017 1:32 pm : link
short of joining up with ISIS.
Me too Greg  
B in ALB : 7/12/2017 1:36 pm : link
At Cuse they instituted a whole new set of rules for fraternities in the 1990's - very similar to what Penn State has just initiated in 2017.

Meanwhile, the PSU cult and its apologists are applauding the university for its actions and claiming that they DIDN'T allow these frats to run the insane asylum. Amazing thought process. Probably more disturbing than amazing.
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jlukes : 7/12/2017 1:39 pm : link
http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/05/syracuse_university_frat_pledge_says_he_was_left_in_basement_for_2_hours_then_beaten.html

http://www.greekrank.com/uni/78/topic/872126/sorority-hazing/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/syracuse-frat-members-charged-after-pledge-suffers-frostbite/



Nice try jlukes  
B in ALB : 7/12/2017 1:42 pm : link
But I never said there aren't bad apples at every school. As I mentioned above, Cuse implemented stringent rules for frats and sororities in the 1990s.

And I don't see any deaths at SU. But maybe you can dig up some more links in your free time.
University of Delaware has similar strict rules  
jlukes : 7/12/2017 1:45 pm : link
didn't stop several kids from dying from alcohol related deaths over the past few years.

I think PSU is disgusting for their handling of the Sandusky/Paterno thing, but lets not act like they are the only school that kids doing wreckless things with alcohol.
Nobody is "acting" like that jlukes  
B in ALB : 7/12/2017 1:46 pm : link
But to applaud a university for putting in proper rules AFTER a kid dies fits perfectly into the cult of PSU.
Unfortunately the nature of many laws is reactionary  
jlukes : 7/12/2017 1:48 pm : link
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RE: Unfortunately the nature of many laws is reactionary  
The 12th Man : 7/13/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13526425 jlukes said:
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My nephew just graduated Cuse this May, he was in a frat. He told me his frat was just as wild but that he felt the kids were not as stupid as the ones who were in Penn State. I agree with his statement. Most frats are not full of choir boys. It is how they police themselves that make the frats one better than the other. It has nothing to do with being a cult. I have been a Michigan fan and would have loved for my daughter to have been one too. Did not work out that way.

JLukes could not agree more with you. Many of the best laws that have been passed are due to something that has happened in a community. You try to envision many things that will happen but most times laws and changes in laws are due to things that have occurred which affects a community. Megan's Law came about from a reactionary situation.
I should say that if this happened  
B in ALB : 7/13/2017 5:51 pm : link
at Cuse, I would be equally outraged and very disappointed in both the students and the university. I certainly wouldn't blindly support the parties involved based on homerism for my alma mater.
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