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NFT: Question for Marines

DC Gmen Fan : 7/11/2017 5:43 pm
I was on a layover this past weekend, and as I walked into the hotel from a run, I noticed a 50-something year old man in full Marine Dress, sitting at the bar with some women around him. He was seated, eating dinner, wearing his cover. The patch on his arm was that of a Lance Corporal.

Is this likely a Stolen Valor situation? Is there any reason a Marine would wear a cover indoors at a bar, whilst seated? Are there any 50 year old LCpls?
It's possible  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2017 6:02 pm : link
An old Marine may wear his old uniform so long as it is correctly worn and he conforms to Marine grooming standards. Eating with his cover on is highly suspect - Marines only wear them indoors when under arms.

Of course, he might have just been a shitty Marine 😀
Definitely highly suspect  
leatherneck570 : 7/11/2017 6:07 pm : link
No way she he be wearing his cover indoors. I've seen some old lcpls before ( busted down or prior service) but sounds like stolen valor to me.
Is this something that's prevalent?  
Beezer : 7/11/2017 6:18 pm : link
Hard to fathom the balls of someone to do this, considering the number of Marines in the world, and how I'd guess most might be inclined to confront (or am I wrong about that?).

Much respect for you guys. N one for people who'd do that crap.
RE: It's possible  
Mike from SI : 7/11/2017 6:22 pm : link
In comment 13525734 Greg from LI said:
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An old Marine may wear his old uniform so long as it is correctly worn and he conforms to Marine grooming standards. Eating with his cover on is highly suspect - Marines only wear them indoors when under arms.

Of course, he might have just been a shitty Marine 😀


For us outsiders, what does "under arms" mean? Thanks!
RE: RE: It's possible  
leatherneck570 : 7/11/2017 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13525749 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 13525734 Greg from LI said:


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An old Marine may wear his old uniform so long as it is correctly worn and he conforms to Marine grooming standards. Eating with his cover on is highly suspect - Marines only wear them indoors when under arms.

Of course, he might have just been a shitty Marine 😀



For us outsiders, what does "under arms" mean? Thanks!


With their weapon
Sometimes old retired Marines  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 8:06 pm : link
don't follow the rules.

DC - grab a pic if you can.
Is there any code,  
Beezer : 7/11/2017 8:18 pm : link
unwritten, that might prompt a Marine to question a guy like this, in this sort of situation?

Where's Don Shipley?  
BlackLight : 7/11/2017 8:22 pm : link
He'd be all up this guy's ass.
What's up with his ribbons  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 8:39 pm : link
Usually tell the story.
Yes, if someone looks way off  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2017 9:22 pm : link
Then some questions may be in order. It's pretty simple to nail most fakers. They won't readily remember things all Marines would, like boot camp platoon number/company/battalion, MOS, duty stations.

That said, some people get wayyyy too aggressive with this stuff and take it too far. Phonies piss me off, but sometimes what appears to be stolen valor isn't. Nothing wrong with asking questions though.
Maybe he is real but wears it to help him pick up women  
steve in ky : 7/11/2017 9:32 pm : link
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To add on to Greg's post -  
Diver_Down : 7/11/2017 9:33 pm : link
there is a matter of context. Not too many frauds are looking to steal the glory of a lance corporal. That being said, if the guy is bull-shitting his way for financial gain and public recognition, some questions would be in order. But a guy getting a round of drinks on the house, some ass and steak, isn't going to warrant any confrontation. Best I can tell from the details given is that he is wearing his cover indoors which would be a red flag regardless of branch of service. If everything else looks in order, big deal. The guy might just be an old marine wearing his old uniform and doesn't give a crap about wearing his cover indoors.
And since we're on the subject  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2017 9:43 pm : link
Here are some of the worst








In my experience there tend to be two 'types' of stolen valor  
Dunedin81 : 7/11/2017 9:48 pm : link
The con man using fake or embellished service to get money, and the pathetic loser trying to not be a pathetic loser. The former deserves all the scorn he gets. The latter? Tough to get too animated. But it's all too easy to take it too far, and start giving the Spanish Inquisition to someone who may have served honorably and doesn't deserve the hassle.
RE: And since we're on the subject  
B in ALB : 7/11/2017 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13525879 Greg from LI said:
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Here are some of the worst









There's no way that first guy ISN'T a SEAL. Fake news.
I did get a pic  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/11/2017 10:11 pm : link
but I don't feel right putting his picture out there when I don't know for sure if he's bs-ing or not.
You took a picture of some stranger eating diner?  
steve in ky : 7/11/2017 10:15 pm : link
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RE: You took a picture of some stranger eating diner?  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/11/2017 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13525899 steve in ky said:
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I took a pic to send to one of my marine buddies to ask him if it was legit. He wasn't sure b/c the pic was from too far away but he said it was suspect that the guy had his cover on while indoors, sitting, eating, and without arms.
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