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DeAngelo Williams

dpinzow : 7/12/2017 12:34 pm
There was a story in ESPN this morning about DeAngelo Williams being a free agent. His reasons for not considering the Cows are straight out of a Giants fan website. From what I saw last year he is still a quality RB so the Giants should do their due diligence and consider bringing him in...he'd teach Perkins and Gallman a huge amount as young RBs


DeAngelo Williams available - ( New Window )
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annexOPR : 7/12/2017 12:38 pm : link
he's 1 of the most underrated RBs in recent memory

loved him in college and all he's done is produce whenever given touches
I thought he was going to get into wrestling (he retired after one  
Anakim : 7/12/2017 12:38 pm : link
match). He actually looked very good teaming with Moose. I was pleasantly surprised
Giants don't need him.  
Keith : 7/12/2017 12:45 pm : link
We are full at the position. I always liked him in Carolina, but he's clearly passed his prime. We have 2 young guys in Perkins and Gallman, we have Vereen and we have Darkwa. I don't see where he would fit.
Always one of my favorites.  
Giants86 : 7/12/2017 12:51 pm : link
Just think we have enough guys to carry the load this year.
Who would you cut to make room for him?  
SterlingArcher : 7/12/2017 12:55 pm : link
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Personally,  
Brown Recluse : 7/12/2017 12:55 pm : link
I love these types of signings and would definitely consider it if he was willing to work with Perkins.

I like Gallman better as a number 3 right now and the Giants don't owe Vereen or Darkwa anything.
Career 4.7 YPC.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/12/2017 1:10 pm : link
After 1,730 carries. Impressive.
He is a great guy...  
Chris in Philly : 7/12/2017 1:12 pm : link
off the field from everything I have seen. I would love to have a guy like that on my team. We don't really have the room, but there were plenty of rumors we were going to sign Blount...
Those rumors  
Keith : 7/12/2017 1:23 pm : link
were before the draft.
Gallman  
Samiam : 7/12/2017 1:25 pm : link
hasn't taken a single snap yet we can't look at a veteran who may or may not have alot left in the tank because Gallman is a lock to do something special. Who the hell knows if he can find a hold to run through or catch a pass from an NFL QB or block a blitzing NFL LB. We barely know what Perkins can do over a full season. Granted he's pretty much a lock to make the team but for all we know, all he does this year is STs while he learns to play with the big boys.

And, how much time did Vereen and Darkwa spend on the field last year? Williams may have nothing left but are some of you for real?
RE: Gallman  
Keith : 7/12/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13526389 Samiam said:
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hasn't taken a single snap yet we can't look at a veteran who may or may not have alot left in the tank because Gallman is a lock to do something special. Who the hell knows if he can find a hold to run through or catch a pass from an NFL QB or block a blitzing NFL LB. We barely know what Perkins can do over a full season. Granted he's pretty much a lock to make the team but for all we know, all he does this year is STs while he learns to play with the big boys.

And, how much time did Vereen and Darkwa spend on the field last year? Williams may have nothing left but are some of you for real?


You do realize that DeAngelo WIlliams has missed 17 games in the past 3 seasons right? Why would we take a hit for releasing Vereen and Darkwa and then sign Williams(who wants to get paid)? Are you for real?
RE: Gallman  
T-Bone : 7/12/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13526389 Samiam said:
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hasn't taken a single snap yet we can't look at a veteran who may or may not have alot left in the tank because Gallman is a lock to do something special. Who the hell knows if he can find a hold to run through or catch a pass from an NFL QB or block a blitzing NFL LB. We barely know what Perkins can do over a full season. Granted he's pretty much a lock to make the team but for all we know, all he does this year is STs while he learns to play with the big boys.

And, how much time did Vereen and Darkwa spend on the field last year? Williams may have nothing left but are some of you for real?


Agree 100% and was going to say the same thing. What if Perkins is just average (or worse below average)... Gallman's a rookie and plays like one... you guys ready to go into the season (or go through the rest of it) with Vereen and or Darkwa as your starting RBs?

I think this would be a great signing and I'd cut Darkwa in order to get it done. Darkwa's shown he can play well enough when he can stay on the field but the question is would he make it through a season? And Vereen isn't a 3 down starting RB (although he could maybe do it for a game or two). Yeah sorry... I don't see anyone besides Perkins and Gallman (and maybe Vereen) who is so important that they can't be let go for a proven RB who although may have some mileage on his legs (although not as much as you'd think because he split time so often throughout his career) has proven to be an above average back when given the carries.
Does anyone remember Tony Galbreath?  
Kivorka : 7/12/2017 2:00 pm : link
He was traded from the Vikings and played for the Giants from '84-'87. He was tremendous and reminds me of Williams. He was a great pick up for the Giants when they were pretty stacked at rb. I think Williams would be a great addition.
RE: RE: Gallman  
T-Bone : 7/12/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13526405 T-Bone said:
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hasn't taken a single snap yet we can't look at a veteran who may or may not have alot left in the tank because Gallman is a lock to do something special. Who the hell knows if he can find a hold to run through or catch a pass from an NFL QB or block a blitzing NFL LB. We barely know what Perkins can do over a full season. Granted he's pretty much a lock to make the team but for all we know, all he does this year is STs while he learns to play with the big boys.

And, how much time did Vereen and Darkwa spend on the field last year? Williams may have nothing left but are some of you for real?



Agree 100% and was going to say the same thing. What if Perkins is just average (or worse below average)... Gallman's a rookie and plays like one... you guys ready to go into the season (or go through the rest of it) with Vereen and or Darkwa as your starting RBs?

I think this would be a great signing and I'd cut Darkwa in order to get it done. Darkwa's shown he can play well enough when he can stay on the field but the question is would he make it through a season? And Vereen isn't a 3 down starting RB (although he could maybe do it for a game or two). Yeah sorry... I don't see anyone besides Perkins and Gallman (and maybe Vereen) who is so important that they can't be let go for a proven RB who although may have some mileage on his legs (although not as much as you'd think because he split time so often throughout his career) has proven to be an above average back when given the carries.


All that said... Williams would have to know, understand and respect that he's going to be no better than 2nd on the totem poll as far as carries go and that Perkins and/or Gallman will have every opportunity to win and keep the starting job. The only way Williams would get a shot is if both Perkins and Gallman (if he shows that he may be able to handle the job in preseason) are either injured or very ineffective. I'd give him the shot over Darkwa (if he was still on the roster) and Vereen (who I don't think can handle it over more than a game or two).
RE: RE: Gallman  
giants#1 : 7/12/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13526398 Keith said:
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hasn't taken a single snap yet we can't look at a veteran who may or may not have alot left in the tank because Gallman is a lock to do something special. Who the hell knows if he can find a hold to run through or catch a pass from an NFL QB or block a blitzing NFL LB. We barely know what Perkins can do over a full season. Granted he's pretty much a lock to make the team but for all we know, all he does this year is STs while he learns to play with the big boys.

And, how much time did Vereen and Darkwa spend on the field last year? Williams may have nothing left but are some of you for real?



You do realize that DeAngelo WIlliams has missed 17 games in the past 3 seasons right? Why would we take a hit for releasing Vereen and Darkwa and then sign Williams(who wants to get paid)? Are you for real?


Or we could release Draughn or Abdullah if DW was willing to come in for the vet min (or close to it). Health aside, he's arguably better than any RB on this roster and Vereen/Darkwa have their own injuries to deal with.
Williams isn't coming off a good season -  
Ira : 7/12/2017 2:12 pm : link
just 3.5 yards per carry behind an ol that was better than ours. He had a great career, but it's done.
Giants need to see what our young RBs can do  
NYG27 : 7/12/2017 2:17 pm : link
If they decide we need DeAngelo Williams, I hope it's right before the start of the season. Give all the Training Camp\Pre-Season snaps and touches to the young RBs.
RE: Williams isn't coming off a good season -  
T-Bone : 7/12/2017 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13526451 Ira said:
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just 3.5 yards per carry behind an ol that was better than ours. He had a great career, but it's done.


He was the league leader in rushing yards for the first two weeks of the season until Bell came back.
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arcarsenal : 7/12/2017 2:23 pm : link
I would replace Draughn with DW in a heartbeat.
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T-Bone : 7/12/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13526465 arcarsenal said:
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I would replace Draughn with DW in a heartbeat.


The only three untouchable 'we're not cutting this guy' RBs on the roster, as far as I'm concerned, would be Perkins, Gallman and Vereen.
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arcarsenal : 7/12/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13526473 T-Bone said:
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I would replace Draughn with DW in a heartbeat.



The only three untouchable 'we're not cutting this guy' RBs on the roster, as far as I'm concerned, would be Perkins, Gallman and Vereen.


Yeah, I agree - I don't care about Abdullah either. I don't even expect him to make the team anyway. Darkwa kind of has a cult following but I'd take DW over him too.
RE: Williams isn't coming off a good season -  
Brown Recluse : 7/12/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13526451 Ira said:
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just 3.5 yards per carry behind an ol that was better than ours. He had a great career, but it's done.


Yeah, thats what everyone said after 2014 after he averaged 3.5 ypc.

"Too old, he's done."

Then the next season he rushed for over 900 yards and 11 TDs at 4.5 ypc.

He's not done.
I'm on board to bring on a vet RB  
Rory B. Bellows : 7/12/2017 2:52 pm : link
(maybe after that week 1 vet roster thing)

I can't see this "super bowl run" team go into the season with w/a 2nd year RB, a rookie RB (I love both of them btw) and Vareen. Seems like a perfect situation to have a vet RB come in to back up/teach.

Agree, after having the Blount interest, I have been wondering if we'll sign someone like D. Williams

or if someone like Alfred Morris shakes free, and whatever the heck is going to happen with the Saints backfield. (AP/Engram)

Anyone like any other vets that may get cut?
RE: Williams isn't coming off a good season -  
djm : 7/12/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13526451 Ira said:
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just 3.5 yards per carry behind an ol that was better than ours. He had a great career, but it's done.


he was the short yardage back once Bell returned.
I'm not saying we should sign him,  
Section331 : 7/12/2017 3:24 pm : link
but the idea that we have Orleans Darkwa on the roster means we shouldn't sign someone is patently ridiculous, and I like Darkwa. He may not have much gas left in the tank, but he was a very productive player only 2 years ago. I can't ding him for not getting much run behind the best RB in football.
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mfsd : 7/12/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13526465 arcarsenal said:
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I would replace Draughn with DW in a heartbeat.


Me too. I'm on board with having a vet like DW play the mentor role, assuming he accepts a limited role, as I think he would. I know the Giants are committed to getting younger and more athletic, but there's still value in vet leadership
This is a guy who should be available into  
giantgiantfan : 7/12/2017 3:56 pm : link
preseason. I doubt the Giants bite, but you never know. Maybe Perkins under performs or there is an injury.
RE: Who would you cut to make room for him?  
Gman11 : 7/12/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13526333 SterlingArcher said:
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Darkwa. I would say that Darkwa is pretty expendable especially if they can get a guy that's been successful in this league and doesn't appear to be too far over the hill.
He looked good in PIT  
KWALL2 : 7/12/2017 5:12 pm : link
If he wants to play we should sign him.
He's easily better than darkwa  
Heisenberg : 7/12/2017 5:14 pm : link
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I'm coming around the idea of 4 RBs  
adamg : 7/12/2017 5:32 pm : link
and 4 TEs, with LaCosse in there and Tye being cut. Giving Ellison and LaCosse both the opportunity to play FB and TE to help in the run game. Another reason for that (4 RB + 4 TE) is the worry of injury befalling the RB position again. Limiting snaps by segmenting roles makes sense to me.

That said, replacing Darkwa with Williams could be a nice move imo. Darkwa has proven three things: 1, he's a decent STer, 2, he's a runner willing to hit the hole hard, and 3, he has an injury history especially when given a significant number of carries. I've been partial to idea of Darkwa as the short yardage back this offseason but Williams may be a better fit because of his more proven durability. The biggest knock I would make is that his age makes him a risky signing and a short term solution. You don't know if he'll fall off the cliff or if he's more liable to fall to injury. And, if Darkwa shows that he thrives in a limited short yardage role, he's got age and size on his side.

Depends on what they think they've got from Darkwa, but I lean towards staying the course and not bringing in Williams.
Not Saying Sign Williams  
Samiam : 7/12/2017 5:35 pm : link
But the thinking that we're set at RB and shouldn't look to upgrade with a solid veteran is pretty funny and is the result of overrating our team. I don't know what Williams or another available solid veteran RB would want in salary but it would be very short sided not to investigate. It's not like any of our RBs have been to a Pro Bowl
If he was a little younger, why not  
SGMen : 7/12/2017 5:54 pm : link
But much like Jennings lost it completely at age 31, I'm not sold on a 32 year old for RB. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the Giants pursuing.
Like his honesty.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/12/2017 7:11 pm : link
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RE: If he was a little younger, why not  
T-Bone : 7/12/2017 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13526688 SGMen said:
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But much like Jennings lost it completely at age 31, I'm not sold on a 32 year old for RB. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the Giants pursuing.


Again, although his age says he's 32 his legs are more in the 29-30 age as far as mileage. I think he'd be a pretty good signing.
RE: If he was a little younger, why not  
arcarsenal : 7/12/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13526688 SGMen said:
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But much like Jennings lost it completely at age 31, I'm not sold on a 32 year old for RB. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the Giants pursuing.


If he was younger, he'd already be signed.
RE: RE: If he was a little younger, why not  
SGMen : 7/12/2017 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13526774 arcarsenal said:
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But much like Jennings lost it completely at age 31, I'm not sold on a 32 year old for RB. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the Giants pursuing.



If he was younger, he'd already be signed.
Absolutely! Great back. If the Giants were sure he had "4.7 ypc" in spot duty, say 100 carries, they'd sign him in a heartbeat.
Thought he  
muhajir : 7/12/2017 10:53 pm : link
Was still on the steelers. Sign him NOW. Injury prone but would be a great add. Strong, fast, nose for the endzone and catches passes.
DeAngelo Williams is 34  
Brown Recluse : 7/13/2017 9:42 am : link
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Not 32.  
Brown Recluse : 7/13/2017 9:43 am : link
He's a year older than Marshall.
RE: Not 32.  
T-Bone : 7/13/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13527002 Brown Recluse said:
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He's a year older than Marshall.


Thanks for the correction. I was just repeating what I'd seen somewhere else.

My point still holds though that because of him splitting so much time throughout his career, he doesn't have the tread on his tires that a RB his age would typically have.
RE: RE: Not 32.  
Brown Recluse : 7/13/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13527106 T-Bone said:
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He's a year older than Marshall.



Thanks for the correction. I was just repeating what I'd seen somewhere else.

My point still holds though that because of him splitting so much time throughout his career, he doesn't have the tread on his tires that a RB his age would typically have.


Absolutely. No argument from me. :)
Totally disagree....  
Doomster : 7/13/2017 3:11 pm : link
Giants don't need him.
Keith : 7/12/2017 12:45 pm : link : reply
We are full at the position. I always liked him in Carolina, but he's clearly passed his prime. We have 2 young guys in Perkins and Gallman, we have Vereen and we have Darkwa. I don't see where he would fit.


Full at the position? Take those 4 RB's and you can count 12 games total in their careers for NFL starts.......

I don't know if Williams is the guy, but I do see a veteran cut from another team getting a spot on this roster.....Darkwa, for whatever reason, can't stay on the field.....and to roll the dice with him is just crazy....
I have always like DeAngelo Williams  
Jersey55 : 7/13/2017 4:31 pm : link
and we should find out if he has anything left in the tank before dismissing him. If he's anything like what he has been then its time to move out one of the young unknowns to make room for him, having a talented veteran like him would be a plus.
I would have no issues if Giants made an offer to D Williams  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2017 7:46 pm : link
putting some veteran insertion into the RB corps.

Oh by the way, I would have no issues if we didn't either...
Jumped the shark  
xman : 7/14/2017 12:06 am : link
he is a few years out of his prime with a million miles on his tires
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