NYK gets- Harkless and Leonard
Portland gets- Andersen
Houston gets- Melo
If this is the framework, I really hope the Knicks get 1st round picks from Houston and Portland along with Qi and Swanigan. Even if it means the Knicks taking back Turner in some combo instead. Just maximize the picks/ young players the Knicks get in return.
And Portland should be paying to turn Leonard/ Harkless into Andersen.
I can predict the press release now- "Knicks acquired 2 young athletic players in Mo Harkless and Myers Leonard. This fits our goal of getting players 25 and under."
Leaves out the part about them not being any good and overpaid for the next 3 years.
is solid, with an arrow potential pointing up, not a bad contract. Leonard is going into year 6, terrible contract for what he's been and isn't even expected to crack the Blazers rotation. Value wise he's garbage. 7'1 shooting 39% from the field is tough to pull off. Always injured, perfect Knick.
If it's Harkless and Leonard, depends on if they get a pick too. Add a first (even top 10 protected or something) and I think it's ok/worth moving on to have KP be the offensive focal point. If it's straight up Melo for those two, bad deal (would sooner get cap space to just hold Melo).
is solid, with an arrow potential pointing up, not a bad contract. Leonard is going into year 6, terrible contract for what he's been and isn't even expected to crack the Blazers rotation. Value wise he's garbage. 7'1 shooting 39% from the field is tough to pull off. Always injured, perfect Knick.
Qi and Swanigan can't be traded until August right? Ideally the Knicks bring back a 1st rounder and one of those guys.
Harkless would be nice if it comes with a future pick
Noah: 19.3 million
THJR: 18.2 million
Lee: 12.8 million
Leonard: 11.3 million
Harkless: 11 million
Thomas: 7.6 million
Total: 80 fucking million dollars
Not next season, not the following season, but three seasons from now for a pu pu platter. But for Frank becoming Giannis 2.0, we will be absolutely terrible. And KP will seriously consider leaving. You simply cannot take on Leonard and Harkless without significant futures coming back.
This trade really doesnt make any sense if it is Melo going to Houston, Houston shedding Anderson (negative value), and Houston not really adding anything. That's just a giveaway to Houston. Oh, and it gets us into WORSE cap shape?
that we'd just clear those contracts (ex. THJR who has another year) and go into Summer 2020 with cap space. No, we'd dig outselves into a a much deeper hole. Trading expiring contracts for other teams' cap mistakes.
to get out of $30 million owed to Carroll, who is a much better player than Leonard. So Leonard's value has to be negative 2 #1 picks, right? At least?
Fucking nonsense if our return is effectively those two POR players.
that we'd just clear those contracts (ex. THJR who has another year) and go into Summer 2020 with cap space. No, we'd dig outselves into a a much deeper hole. Trading expiring contracts for other teams' cap mistakes.
Im already sick of the Mills era.
On a normal NBA team, you could spin in that all those contracts are coming off the books at the same time ( THJ with a PO). But it's the Knicks so you are 100% right. They are allergic to any cap space or cap flexibility. It's maddening.
The 3 team trade with Milwaukee that Bill Simmons tweeted out would be much preferred. I have zero interest in Harkless or Leonard.
probably not much, but it seems like the Knicks reluctance to take back Leonard is the hold up here.
Also, we could stretch Noah pretty easily if we wanted more cap room.
No, we cant stretch Noah pretty easily. We can stretch him very, very painfully.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we could stretch his cap hit to about 4M per for the next 5 years. Apparently that's the going rate for Ron Baker.
You dont get a cap savings. You pay the full amount, over the remaining seasons x2, plus 1 (there is a little variation based on whether it is before or after 9/1 each season).
If we stretch Noah right now, we'd owe him 55,590,500. Our cap would take a hit of 7,941,500 each year for the next 7 seasons.
Even if you were right, 4 million a year for 5 seasons isnt easy. It's a substantial waste of cap space. We shouldnt measure the value of cap space based on the stupid overpay of Ron Baker.
This is all so frustrating. We continue to be so poorly run. We literally have no idea how to manage the cap.
I'm not usually that guy, but this didn't seem like it needed a new
back harkless. He has shown flashes and is still young. And 3/30 really isnt that bad in todays nba. Not for a 24 year old with some upside. Leonard sucks though, no interest in him. I mean if we somehow ended up getting back Qi and Swanigan id be ok with taking back leonard. Not thrilled, but i could at least live with it. Why did POR even sign Leonard to that deal, seems dumber then the crabbe deal.
the nene instagram, Mike D, etc... this trade is happening. At least the knicks are holding firm on not taking back crappy deals so far. They didnt want anderson so they got POR to take him, now they dont want leonard and they are looking for a 4th team to take him. I mean the final trade will surely disappoint, but they seem to be trying to do the right thing, lol.
but teams are still working. So i guess we should expect a trade any second.
Also says that the Pelicans are looking to get in on the deal, but doesnt really say for what.
Somehow the Knicks ridiculous desperation to trade Melo has turned from maybe a chance to get back an asset or two to the whole league wondering if they can dump their bad contracts on the Knicks.
probably not much, but it seems like the Knicks reluctance to take back Leonard is the hold up here.
Also, we could stretch Noah pretty easily if we wanted more cap room.
No, we cant stretch Noah pretty easily. We can stretch him very, very painfully.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we could stretch his cap hit to about 4M per for the next 5 years. Apparently that's the going rate for Ron Baker.
You dont get a cap savings. You pay the full amount, over the remaining seasons x2, plus 1 (there is a little variation based on whether it is before or after 9/1 each season).
If we stretch Noah right now, we'd owe him 55,590,500. Our cap would take a hit of 7,941,500 each year for the next 7 seasons.
Even if you were right, 4 million a year for 5 seasons isnt easy. It's a substantial waste of cap space. We shouldnt measure the value of cap space based on the stupid overpay of Ron Baker.
This is all so frustrating. We continue to be so poorly run. We literally have no idea how to manage the cap.
You do get cap savings in the year that he is stretched. I.E. if we waited until 2019, his remaining 19 mil would be spread over 3 years, so we would get about 13M to spend that offseason.
I also assumed you got that the Ron Baker comment was tongue in cheek.
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You never get cap savings. The cap hit is just "stretched" out over many years. So yeah, if we do it in the final year, we pay him 6x3 instead of 18x1 (or thereabout). That just extends the pain. I dont think that makes it any easier.
It's not like the NHL, where you cut a guy and then pay 2/3 of the cap hit over an increased # of seasons. We're stuck with the full $$ on the Noah contract and stretching just slices it differently.
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
You never get cap savings. The cap hit is just "stretched" out over many years. So yeah, if we do it in the final year, we pay him 6x3 instead of 18x1 (or thereabout). That just extends the pain. I dont think that makes it any easier.
It's not like the NHL, where you cut a guy and then pay 2/3 of the cap hit over an increased # of seasons. We're stuck with the full $$ on the Noah contract and stretching just slices it differently.
I think we're saying the same thing. My only point is if we had a real need for another 13M in 2019, it could be done via one transaction that the Knicks have control over.
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
They're just accumulating random guys under 25 without significant regard for the cap. It's the cap mismanagement that's killing me. They have no sophistication on the cap. They dont realize that you have to carefully dole out long term money, or that you can weaponize the cap to accelerate the rebuild.
Honestly, how did we not undercut the Nets on the Carroll trade? I bet we could have done it and Dolan & Co. were still scared of the Rap's GM.
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steve kyler doesnt know shut, yesterday he said talks were going nowhere
Hahaha
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It's official: Melo to Houston, Harkless and a FRP to NY, Anderson and a SRP to Portland.
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Cmon son. Didn't you say you went to Princeton?
NYK gets- Harkless and Leonard
Portland gets- Andersen
Houston gets- Melo
If this is the framework, I really hope the Knicks get 1st round picks from Houston and Portland along with Qi and Swanigan. Even if it means the Knicks taking back Turner in some combo instead. Just maximize the picks/ young players the Knicks get in return.
And Portland should be paying to turn Leonard/ Harkless into Andersen.
I saw the post on r/NBA and the tweet had his picture, his name, and only transposed the two inside letters of NYDN.
If I"m Frank, I would try to find a way to press charges and sue this troll.
I literally laughed out loud at that one.
He has a picture on instagram with KOQ (it's 6 days old however).
Leaves out the part about them not being any good and overpaid for the next 3 years.
LOL!
Qi and Swanigan can't be traded until August right? Ideally the Knicks bring back a 1st rounder and one of those guys.
Hardaway
Harkless
Porzingis
Hernangomez
If Leonard comes to the Knicks I will be extremely disappointed. That's a rough contract
Noah: 19.3 million
THJR: 18.2 million
Lee: 12.8 million
Leonard: 11.3 million
Harkless: 11 million
Thomas: 7.6 million
Total: 80 fucking million dollars
Not next season, not the following season, but three seasons from now for a pu pu platter. But for Frank becoming Giannis 2.0, we will be absolutely terrible. And KP will seriously consider leaving. You simply cannot take on Leonard and Harkless without significant futures coming back.
This trade really doesnt make any sense if it is Melo going to Houston, Houston shedding Anderson (negative value), and Houston not really adding anything. That's just a giveaway to Houston. Oh, and it gets us into WORSE cap shape?
Im already sick of the Mills era.
Fucking nonsense if our return is effectively those two POR players.
Im already sick of the Mills era.
On a normal NBA team, you could spin in that all those contracts are coming off the books at the same time ( THJ with a PO). But it's the Knicks so you are 100% right. They are allergic to any cap space or cap flexibility. It's maddening.
The 3 team trade with Milwaukee that Bill Simmons tweeted out would be much preferred. I have zero interest in Harkless or Leonard.
Also, we could stretch Noah pretty easily if we wanted more cap room.
Also, we could stretch Noah pretty easily if we wanted more cap room.
No, we cant stretch Noah pretty easily. We can stretch him very, very painfully.
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probably not much, but it seems like the Knicks reluctance to take back Leonard is the hold up here.
Also, we could stretch Noah pretty easily if we wanted more cap room.
No, we cant stretch Noah pretty easily. We can stretch him very, very painfully.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we could stretch his cap hit to about 4M per for the next 5 years. Apparently that's the going rate for Ron Baker.
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probably not much, but it seems like the Knicks reluctance to take back Leonard is the hold up here.
Also, we could stretch Noah pretty easily if we wanted more cap room.
No, we cant stretch Noah pretty easily. We can stretch him very, very painfully.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we could stretch his cap hit to about 4M per for the next 5 years. Apparently that's the going rate for Ron Baker.
You dont get a cap savings. You pay the full amount, over the remaining seasons x2, plus 1 (there is a little variation based on whether it is before or after 9/1 each season).
If we stretch Noah right now, we'd owe him 55,590,500. Our cap would take a hit of 7,941,500 each year for the next 7 seasons.
Even if you were right, 4 million a year for 5 seasons isnt easy. It's a substantial waste of cap space. We shouldnt measure the value of cap space based on the stupid overpay of Ron Baker.
This is all so frustrating. We continue to be so poorly run. We literally have no idea how to manage the cap.
I also heard that Harden was recruiting Melo at some fashion show in Paris last month. The NBA is nuts.
Also says that the Pelicans are looking to get in on the deal, but doesnt really say for what.
Also says that the Pelicans are looking to get in on the deal, but doesnt really say for what.
Somehow the Knicks ridiculous desperation to trade Melo has turned from maybe a chance to get back an asset or two to the whole league wondering if they can dump their bad contracts on the Knicks.
The Asik era is here!
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probably not much, but it seems like the Knicks reluctance to take back Leonard is the hold up here.
Also, we could stretch Noah pretty easily if we wanted more cap room.
No, we cant stretch Noah pretty easily. We can stretch him very, very painfully.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we could stretch his cap hit to about 4M per for the next 5 years. Apparently that's the going rate for Ron Baker.
You dont get a cap savings. You pay the full amount, over the remaining seasons x2, plus 1 (there is a little variation based on whether it is before or after 9/1 each season).
If we stretch Noah right now, we'd owe him 55,590,500. Our cap would take a hit of 7,941,500 each year for the next 7 seasons.
Even if you were right, 4 million a year for 5 seasons isnt easy. It's a substantial waste of cap space. We shouldnt measure the value of cap space based on the stupid overpay of Ron Baker.
This is all so frustrating. We continue to be so poorly run. We literally have no idea how to manage the cap.
You do get cap savings in the year that he is stretched. I.E. if we waited until 2019, his remaining 19 mil would be spread over 3 years, so we would get about 13M to spend that offseason.
I also assumed you got that the Ron Baker comment was tongue in cheek.
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It's not like the NHL, where you cut a guy and then pay 2/3 of the cap hit over an increased # of seasons. We're stuck with the full $$ on the Noah contract and stretching just slices it differently.
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
It's not like the NHL, where you cut a guy and then pay 2/3 of the cap hit over an increased # of seasons. We're stuck with the full $$ on the Noah contract and stretching just slices it differently.
I think we're saying the same thing. My only point is if we had a real need for another 13M in 2019, it could be done via one transaction that the Knicks have control over.
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
They're just accumulating random guys under 25 without significant regard for the cap. It's the cap mismanagement that's killing me. They have no sophistication on the cap. They dont realize that you have to carefully dole out long term money, or that you can weaponize the cap to accelerate the rebuild.
Honestly, how did we not undercut the Nets on the Carroll trade? I bet we could have done it and Dolan & Co. were still scared of the Rap's GM.
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steve kyler doesnt know shut, yesterday he said talks were going nowhere