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NFT: Mets fans, thoughts on the second half of the season?

NYG27 : 7/13/2017 1:43 pm
After a fairly solid finish to June going 13-9, the Mets lost 5 of 6 games before the All-Star weekend.

To start the second half, we're 12 games out from the Nationals for the NL East. We're 12.5 games out from the Diamondbacks and 10.5 games out from the Rockies for the Wild Card spots.

What are you guys expecting for the second half of the season?
Trade the vets!  
spike : 7/13/2017 1:44 pm : link
We are done. Let Cespedes rest and have Familia and syndergaard focus on next season
Trade  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 1:51 pm : link
every player who isn't signed past this season and listen on everyone else.
RE: Trade the vets!  
feelflows : 7/13/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13527321 spike said:
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We are done. Let Cespedes rest and have Familia and syndergaard focus on next season


besides Syndergaard and Cespedes..nobody untouchable!!!!

I'm great with this after the trades to finish the year:

1B Smith
2B Rivera
SS Rosario
3B Flores
OF Conforto
OF Nimmo
OF Cespedes
C d'Arnaud

BP - whoever is not named Reed/Blevins (if return is good)

I'm not sold on trading Blevins.. they have control of him next year. Reed should be traded. No reason for it not to happen.

Yah, they may suck, but it will be nice to see the kids possibly develop. And maybe they'll get a nice draft pick.

The 1/2 season savings they'd have on the large contracts can be added to what they can spend for next year.
Sell Mortimer Sell!!  
MetsAreBack : 7/13/2017 1:54 pm : link

I can deal with one lost year after enjoying two good seasons. Longer term concerns with this rotation's ability to stay healthy though. Tough decisions to be made this offseason, and they sure as fuck need to bring in two innings eaters next year (just in case - which with this fragile bunch, is more than just contingency planning)
Personally  
gmen9892 : 7/13/2017 1:55 pm : link
This weekends series will be very telling. If they go out and win 2 out of 3 or sweep, they have a pretty easy schedule up until the trade deadline. If they come out flat again and lose the series or get swept at home, I think that tells you all you need to know.

I am literally going series by series at this point, but if it doesnt get turned around in the next week or so, start looking for the best offers.
Cespedes isnt going to hurt himself for next year  
MetsAreBack : 7/13/2017 1:56 pm : link
by playing the rest of this season. And if he wants to be on this team in the future, he needs to agree to changes in his offseason training regimen.

Look at the show on SNY of when we acquired him, to the way he has bulked up now. You don't need to be nearly this massive to hit homeruns and help the team. Does he want to be a baseball player or a body builder?
It's nice to  
Metnut : 7/13/2017 1:59 pm : link
conveniently open with the Rockies. A sweep there and maybe it makes sense to stand pat for a few more weeks and see if they can catch fire. If not, then I agree with Dan. Trade all the one year guys and some other guys too and position the franchise for the long haul.
I think realistic trade candidates are:  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2017 2:00 pm : link
(and this doesn't mean I'm expecting top 100 prospects back for any or all of them, but I'd expect decent returns on all of them as indicated).

1. Reed (sign him in the off-season if they want him back)
2. Bruce
3. Duda

and I think all three should get good prospects back

4. Cabrera
5. Reyes
6. Blevins
7. Granderson

these last 4 should get filler/or some younger so far failed players

Cabrera has an attractive contract for next year as a utility guy.

and then I'd listen on, but would need to be overwhelemed on:

8. deGrom (like a Kopech and/or Moncada lead package)
9. Familia (obviously more value if he gets back and pitches a little before the deadline)
Mets FO have already put  
Rory : 7/13/2017 3:54 pm : link
it out there and planted the seed that TC is getting too old and "experiencing health issues "

Is Chip Hale the guy ?

Alot of pub for Dave Martinez from the Cubs/Rays
I really like Bruce, why trade a consistent player  
gtt350 : 7/13/2017 3:56 pm : link
with power
RE: I really like Bruce, why trade a consistent player  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13527482 gtt350 said:
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with power


Because he's really a DH and a free agent after the season.

I don't see the Mets as serious contenders to re-sign him, might as well get something for him.
Sandy  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:33 pm : link
loves Chip Hale, I suspect he or Dick Scott would be the two favorites
The Mets should be actively trying to trade Bruce and Grandy -  
Ira : 7/13/2017 4:59 pm : link
good players and good guys, but we're not contenders.
Mets need to have a better offseasonmthan the last two  
Vanzetti : 7/13/2017 6:01 pm : link
I think they should play it halfway. Sign enough guys so that the team can contend if Rosario, Conforto and Dom Smith turn out to be the goods. But don't go all in like they did this year to "win now."

So, I would suggest:

1. Resign Addison Reed. Give him 5/65 or whatever it takes. Let him and Familia battle it out for closer. Loser becomes best set-up man in the NL.

2.Do not resign Neil Walker. OK player but he will be 32 in September and has been injured each of the last two seasons. Giving this guy a multi-year deal would be a HUGE mistake.

3. Jay Bruce: this is a tough one. No way you give him a 4-5 year deal but he might be worth it on a shorter deal. Mets also have no OF prospects and Cespedes, Lagares and Nimmo are all injury prone. If Bruce leaves, possibly offer Grandy a one year deal. His clubhouse presence alone is worth it. OTOH, I have no problem if Duda, Bruce, Walker and Grandy all say "Adios" and Mets start fresh with young guys.

4. Stay the course with Harvey, Matz, Lugo, Wheeler and Gsellmen. These guys are better collectively than they have shown this yer.

5. Fire Barwis. Throw out all the kettle bells and get a trainer who knows what the fuck he is doing like McAdoo did with Giants. Stretching and flexibility should be the emphasis. Ridiculous how many pulled muscles Mets have had.

6. Let Terry and his staff go. This season is not Terry's fault, although I do think Warthern's emphasis on the slider has contributed to the rash of arm injuries. But fresh blood is needed.
RE: I really like Bruce, why trade a consistent player  
steve in ky : 7/13/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13527482 gtt350 said:
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with power


If he is willing to sign a two or three year deal and they could get him at a fair price I would like for them to keep him. That's a lot of production to lose for next season and probably not easily replaced.
RE: Sandy  
Vanzetti : 7/13/2017 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13527533 DanMetroMan said:
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loves Chip Hale, I suspect he or Dick Scott would be the two favorites


Arizona lost 93 games last year with Hale. This year they are on a pace to win 96 with Luvollo with basically the same roster.

Obviously, baseball changes from year to year. But I am very leery of guys who are highly touted but do not win when given the opportunity.

If they're keeping Bruce  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/13/2017 6:18 pm : link
Who are they trading away: Cespedes or Conforto?
RE: If they're keeping Bruce  
steve in ky : 7/13/2017 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13527663 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Who are they trading away: Cespedes or Conforto?


My thoughts. Since the organization didn't choose to build with great defense around their young pitching staff, and Conforto didn't embarrass himself in CF I would lean that way with Lagares the 4th OF and late game defensive replacement.

Also unfortunately injuries happen, especially to this team so better too many than too few. They could also always still trade him down the road if needed.

Now obviously he isn't untouchable and if they get blown away with an offer that dictates he be moved, by all means move him. I just don't think he should be dumped for whatever they can get.
Bruce is already 30  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 6:30 pm : link
Team doesn't need to keep an older player. Get what you can while he's in the middle of a fine season, use that to build something lasting.
RE: Bruce is already 30  
steve in ky : 7/13/2017 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13527680 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Team doesn't need to keep an older player. Get what you can while he's in the middle of a fine season, use that to build something lasting.


The thing is this year was derailed by injuries. They should be contenders again with a healthy staff so they really aren't in a true dump them and rebuild it mode. It not like we are talking Granderson's age. Bruce has arguably been their best player this season.
Precisely why I wouldn't hold him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 6:37 pm : link
They are not in need of a total rebuild. So sell him while he's having a career year, get some players in here that are close, and also younger and healthier, and, incidentally, let Conforto play.
Bruce is a free agent after the season  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2017 6:58 pm : link
if the Mets really want him they can re-sign him.

Same with Reed.

and Granderson, Walker, Duda, Blevins (team option in 2018), Salas, Reyes

none of them are Mets beyond this season without being re-signed, none are offering hometown discounts IMO, so why not trade them all (the ones who are tradeable) and get something, even minor league fodder with a shred of upside is more valuable than simply losing them after the season.

The Mets should be shedding around $65M in salary this off-season.
They won't get the same kinds of returns as the Yankees did  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
but that's exactly what they should be doing.
My thoughts on the second half of the season:  
81_Great_Dane : 7/13/2017 8:52 pm : link
1) Start now on revamping the training and medical staff. This group isn't getting acceptable results. The Giants did it, the Mets should do it. The new team should be in place this summer, in time to get all the players a recommended regimen for the offseason.

2) I don't know whether keeping Rosario and Smith down hurts the big club or helps it at this point, but I think it's penny-wise/pound-foolish to keep playing vets in hopes of winning 80 games instead of 70. What's the difference? Yeah, the team was fantastic down the stretch the last two seasons. But with this training staff (see #1 above) you can't keep guys healthy anyway. Concede the season and start building for 2018.

3) Improve the infield defense. Is Smith an upgrade over Duda defensively? Give the kid a chance. Cabrera's been pretty good at second, ok, fine. Either he or Walker needs to go. Flores ain't a great glove but they should stick him at third and leave him alone and tell him "Make yourself a great third baseman." See what he does. At shortstop, FFS can we get Reyes off the fuckin' field? He's not even a good backup anymore. He's a cheap backup. I'd rather have Gavin Cecchini hit .200 than Jose Reyes.

4) Is Nimmo a centerfielder? Is Conforto? If not, get a centerfielder. I don't see one in the high minors. Lagares isn't the answer, unless the question is: "What centerfielder consistently kills you with lousy hitting and constant injuries?" Granderson isn't the answer, as terrific a guy as he's been. So who is?
So Tebow just it a walk-off oppo HR...  
guitarguybs12 : 7/13/2017 9:59 pm : link
now has an 11 game hitting streak and his batting .327 for St. Lucie.

WTF
RE: So Tebow just it a walk-off oppo HR...  
spike : 7/13/2017 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13527815 guitarguybs12 said:
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now has an 11 game hitting streak and his batting .327 for St. Lucie.

WTF

Time for AA promotion! Can he play CF?
Got to see Colon pitch  
feelflows : 7/14/2017 7:13 am : link
Against the Iron Pigs last night. We aren't missing anything. He's toast.

Didn't hit 90, wasn't fooling hitters.
Now would be a great time  
Metnut : 7/14/2017 9:33 am : link
to troll Law on Tebow. Kid has a 170 wRC in high-A ball and is completely raking. Hit a walk-off HR last night.

RE: Got to see Colon pitch  
Metnut : 7/14/2017 9:34 am : link
In comment 13527951 feelflows said:
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Against the Iron Pigs last night. We aren't missing anything. He's toast.

Didn't hit 90, wasn't fooling hitters.


Not surprising. He's been garbage all year and is almost 45. Montero has had a million chances but looks to be better THIS year and still could end up being something useful going forward.
RE: Sell Mortimer Sell!!  
Ron Johnson : 7/14/2017 9:40 am : link
lol at that one
How far  
feelflows : 7/14/2017 1:49 pm : link
Is Flexen from making the bigs? He keeps dominating.
RE: How far  
DanMetroMan : 7/14/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13528335 feelflows said:
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Is Flexen from making the bigs? He keeps dominating.


Best healthy pitching prospect in the system, closest to the bigs, arguably #2 behind Szapucki at this point.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/14/2017 3:23 pm : link
Mariners like Duda per Heyman

Wouldn't hate Nick "The Anvil" Neidert in a potential Duda deal. 2-3 starter upside #Mets
RE: So Tebow just it a walk-off oppo HR...  
steve in ky : 7/14/2017 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13527815 guitarguybs12 said:
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now has an 11 game hitting streak and his batting .327 for St. Lucie.

WTF


I'll give him this. He has been a lot more successful at switching sports and trying baseball than Micheal Jordan was.
RE: RE: So Tebow just it a walk-off oppo HR...  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/14/2017 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13528556 steve in ky said:
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I'll give him this. He has been a lot more successful at switching sports and trying baseball than Micheal Jordan was.


Jordan played at AA though, so it's not a fair comparison.
RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 7/14/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13528422 DanMetroMan said:
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Mariners like Duda per Heyman

Wouldn't hate Nick "The Anvil" Neidert in a potential Duda deal. 2-3 starter upside #Mets

I have been monitoring Seattle's farm system as they are in need of a 1B and some bullpen help. Atlanta has traded with them twice over the past year and would be happy to send them Matt Adams and Jim Johnson for a prospect like Neidert.
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