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NFT: Knicks Have a GM In Place?

Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 1:55 pm
@StevePopper 3 minutes ago
Hearing from other teams that Knicks have front office settled - Steve Mills as president and a GM selected.
Yeah it's Allan  
Keith : 7/13/2017 1:56 pm : link
Houston
RE: Yeah it's Allan  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13527345 Keith said:
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Houston


This would not surprise me at all.
A few days ago I was reading that this was the plan.  
Keith : 7/13/2017 2:02 pm : link
Mills stays as President, Houston as GM. The fact that they haven't even been interviewing outsiders solidifies that.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/13/2017 2:03 pm : link
just an absolute shitshow
What a joke..  
Sean : 7/13/2017 2:04 pm : link
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Absolutely absurd that Dolan left this in Steve Mills' hands  
Deej : 7/13/2017 2:05 pm : link
and Mills just installed himself.

Just sell the team already. It's clear you no longer enjoy owning it.
.  
Danny Kanell : 7/13/2017 2:09 pm : link
It's almost as if they're trolling the entire fan base.
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 2:10 pm : link
amazing
might pull a schlocker  
gm7b5 : 7/13/2017 2:11 pm : link
and use herb Williams
not much else to say at this point  
Greg from LI : 7/13/2017 2:13 pm : link
i miss  
gm7b5 : 7/13/2017 2:13 pm : link
the Eddie Lee WIlkins good old days
I bet they give Houston an opt-out  
Deej : 7/13/2017 2:13 pm : link
.
its really  
MookGiants : 7/13/2017 2:13 pm : link
too damn bad that the fans (and tourists) don't stop showing up or watching them on tv or buying merchandise.

Other owners dont give a shit because the Knicks still print money.

If Dolans actions had a huge negative impact on the teams value money wise, maybe there would be enough pressure to get him out, but there isn't.

Can one person on here say they have even a tiny bit of confidence this team can ever contend for a title under Dolan?

He could fuck up a one car funeral. If the Knicks got a guy like LeBron, they would still even screw that up, probably by never getting anything around him.

They have zero plan or direction. Worst run franchise in all of sports by a wide margin.
not only do they have  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 2:14 pm : link
this moron running things, they don't feel the need to inform their fans. So much initial promise what with the early reports of Leiweke and Masai and Griffin. And now it's back to amateur hour.
Mook,  
Keith : 7/13/2017 2:15 pm : link
the problem is that the people that go to the games, don't care about whats good for the team. They care about that night and having a good time that night. They aren't the diehard fans.

For example, everyone on bbi knew that we were better off losing games late last season, but the home games were nuts. Fans were going ballistic when we were winning. It was like the KNicks were in the Finals. A Knicks game is an event in the city and that hurts the team when the owner only cares about money.
RE: Mook,  
Deej : 7/13/2017 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13527377 Keith said:
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the problem is that the people that go to the games, don't care about whats good for the team. They care about that night and having a good time that night. They aren't the diehard fans.

For example, everyone on bbi knew that we were better off losing games late last season, but the home games were nuts. Fans were going ballistic when we were winning. It was like the KNicks were in the Finals. A Knicks game is an event in the city and that hurts the team when the owner only cares about money.


The corporate ticket sales are killing this franchise. The law firms buying boxes dont care about wins and losses. Frankly, they're probably happy that we're not winning and raising ticket prices a ton. Between that and legitimately incompetent ownership, we're just screwed.
from a few days ago...  
Keith : 7/13/2017 2:21 pm : link
A source told the Daily News that one of Griffins requests was to remove Houston, who has been with the Knicks as a player or an executive for the majority of the last 20 years. With Dolans support as one of the owners all-time favorite players (remember that $100 million contract extension), Houston rapidly ascended in New Yorks front office and many believe hes being groomed as the next GM under Mills.
Truly  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 2:22 pm : link
embarrassing.
Pleading  
ryanmkeane : 7/13/2017 2:24 pm : link
ignorance here but why would Houston be such a bad hire?
Adam Silver still has grounds to publicly make an example  
Chris684 : 7/13/2017 2:24 pm : link
of this clown.

Strong-arming critical fans out of the arena and season ticket plans.

Calling paying customers alcoholics.

The mess that was under Isiah.

Publicly beefing with Charles Oakley. That's CHARLES OAKLEY, Oakley is one of the most beloved figures in the franchise's history.
Teams have really been beating down the door  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 2:25 pm : link
trying to pry Houston away from us, haven't they??
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FatMan in Charlotte : 7/13/2017 2:27 pm : link
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Pleading
ryanmkeane : 2:24 pm : link : reply
ignorance here but why would Houston be such a bad hire?


Houston is widely considered to be a mouthpiece and pawn for Dolan and has little respect of people in the NBA. Even former Knicks who played with him aren't happy with the way he totes the party line while being part of a sinking ship.
RE: Pleading  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13527392 ryanmkeane said:
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ignorance here but why would Houston be such a bad hire?


1. Absolutely zero experience in a role every close to this
2. Dolan lackey
3. No experience negotiating trades or signing players

His entire resume is player + GM of the Westchester Knicks where his moves are dictated by the NBA GM

4. Behind the scenes not highly thought of as a basketball mind

5. Has been here for years nary a peep of interest in other teams interested

6. Same as #2... he's a Dolan BFF

Embarrassing.
Hmmm  
ryanmkeane : 7/13/2017 2:29 pm : link
yeah, this won't go over well.
When Houston's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/13/2017 2:30 pm : link
strongest quality is defending Dolan frequently, that says about all you need to know.
April 2nd  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 2:30 pm : link
a major beatwriter and I had a DM conversation and I said

"The best will be taking the best fit for the triangle and not the best player "Kennard is the perfect fit for the triangle" Phil leaves in a year with Houston taking over. Wonderful lol" and his response-



"Allan Houston is not qualified"
.  
mfsd : 7/13/2017 2:32 pm : link
I'm actually at the point where  
Chris684 : 7/13/2017 2:33 pm : link
I might feel bad for Phil Jackson. No matter what he owns the triangle mess and Rambis so that's on him.

Anything else though, who really knows what he was dealing with over there on a daily basis, could have been micromanagement, back-stabbing, power grabs. Who knows?

All we know now is that the couple of guys next in line put themselves in the big seat after Phil leaves. It's a soap opera.
I'm  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/13/2017 2:35 pm : link
starting the think the Knicks might just have a plan; set into a course of many stupid franchise crippling moves so that the fan base comes to terms that giving up multiple first round picks for Ujiri is the right move; only to have Ujiri fired before he has a chance to make a first round pick.
I can almost guarantee that Phil  
Keith : 7/13/2017 2:35 pm : link
was undermined and he wasn't able to follow his vision. Nobody ever is when it comes to the Knicks. It's a mess.

Don't feel bad for Phil though, he was paid a billion dollars to be the fall guy.
what a joke...  
Italianju : 7/13/2017 2:36 pm : link
at least when the fail (and we know they will) and dolan gets antsy he will have to fire one or both of them.
RE: what a joke...  
mfsd : 7/13/2017 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13527413 Italianju said:
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at least when the fail (and we know they will) and dolan gets antsy he will have to fire one or both of them.


True. But remember it almost took an alien invasion for Dolan to fire Isaiah, despite watching him turn the franchise into an embarrassment on and off the court.
RE: I can almost guarantee that Phil  
Deej : 7/13/2017 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13527410 Keith said:
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was undermined and he wasn't able to follow his vision. Nobody ever is when it comes to the Knicks. It's a mess.

Don't feel bad for Phil though, he was paid a billion dollars to be the fall guy.


I dont think he was undermined. Just a guess though. I think Rosen or another crony would have leaked that. They may do so now, but at this point I'd consider it just opportunistic spin.
Dan Favale Melo trade idea  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 2:47 pm : link
Brooklyn Nets Receive: C John Henson, SG Rashad Vaughn, 2020 second-round pick (via Houston)

Houston Rockets Receive: SF/PF Carmelo Anthony

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: PF Ryan Anderson, 2018 second-round pick (from Charlotte, Memphis or Miami, via Houston)

New York Knicks: SG Joe Harris, PF/C Spencer Hawes, PF Shawn Long, SG Tim Quarterman, PF Mirza Teletovic, 2018 top-20 protected pick (via Milwaukee), 2020 first-round pick (via Houston) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2721018-impact-moves-teams-should-still-pursue-during-nba-offseason?
Jax undermined himself.  
manh george : 7/13/2017 2:49 pm : link
He was lazy, inept as a manager as opposed to a coach, and obsessed with the Triangle, that no one else found to be up-to-date with modern athletes.

He is practically the only person in the world for whom Dolan is almost a fall guy.
,  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 2:51 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @wojespn
Pelicans see Rondo-Holiday on floor together. There's real traction on a possible deal, league sources tell @ZachLowe and me. https://twitter.com/zachlowe_nba/status/885541345225433089
RE: Dan Favale Melo trade idea  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13527421 DanMetroMan said:
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Brooklyn Nets Receive: C John Henson, SG Rashad Vaughn, 2020 second-round pick (via Houston)

Houston Rockets Receive: SF/PF Carmelo Anthony

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: PF Ryan Anderson, 2018 second-round pick (from Charlotte, Memphis or Miami, via Houston)

New York Knicks: SG Joe Harris, PF/C Spencer Hawes, PF Shawn Long, SG Tim Quarterman, PF Mirza Teletovic, 2018 top-20 protected pick (via Milwaukee), 2020 first-round pick (via Houston) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2721018-impact-moves-teams-should-still-pursue-during-nba-offseason?


What do the Nets trade in that deal?

Why not just cut them out and give the Knicks those assets.
the nets are taking on hensons....  
Italianju : 7/13/2017 2:59 pm : link
contract. I wouldnt really want to pay him 3/30 just to get a second rounder and Vaughn.
Amazing how fast Houston became qualified for the GM position  
ghost718 : 7/13/2017 3:00 pm : link
Another week on the job made all the difference.

Maybe Davis Stern will come out and publicly slap Dolan again,I could use one of those
What does  
Beezer : 7/13/2017 3:04 pm : link
"top-20 protected" mean?
As in, if it's in the top 20 ... or not ...  
Beezer : 7/13/2017 3:07 pm : link
what happens?
RE: As in, if it's in the top 20 ... or not ...  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13527440 Beezer said:
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what happens?


It means the Knicks would only get the pick if it landed 21-30
Sxhlosser?  
Michael 123 : 7/13/2017 3:10 pm : link
Possibly, but seems doubtful knowing mr, straight shot moron.
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RE: RE: As in, if it's in the top 20 ... or not ...  
Beezer : 7/13/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13527441 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13527440 Beezer said:


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what happens?



It means the Knicks would only get the pick if it landed 21-30


Thanks Dan. Seems a decent risk, no?
if we somehow end up with a first rounder  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 3:12 pm : link
for Melo - a top 10 or a lottery protected pick is something you can live with. Top 20 protection is excessive.
And  
Beezer : 7/13/2017 3:13 pm : link
wouldn't the Knicks likely only keep Teletovic and Hawes and ditch the rest?
That  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 3:13 pm : link
Sacks piece suggests the THjr signing was a Houston decision lol
Woj!  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 3:59 pm : link
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Sources with @IanBegley: New York met with Sacramento VP Scott Perry today, discussing deal parameters to make Perry new Knicks GM.
because when you think  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 4:00 pm : link
of smart and successful front offices, the Kings immediately come to mind!

Actually, I know nothing about this guy. He's gotta be better than Houston though.
RE: Woj!  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13527487 Enzo said:
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Sources with @IanBegley: New York met with Sacramento VP Scott Perry today, discussing deal parameters to make Perry new Knicks GM.



anyone know anything about him? sacramento is about as disfunctual as the knicks
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DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:07 pm : link
BA executive career[edit]
Perry was hired as a front office executive for the Detroit Pistons by President Joe Dumars in June 2000. As a member of their executive team, Perry assisted in building a roster that went to six Eastern Conference Finals appearances (2003-2008), two Eastern Conference Championships (2004, 2005) and the 2004 NBA Championship.

Afterward, Perry served as the assistant general manager for the Seattle SuperSonics (now Oklahoma City Thunder) for one season (200708).[3] He was part of the front office staff that drafted Kevin Durant to the Sonics/Thunder in the first round with the second overall pick. He then returned to the Pistons to become vice president of basketball operations from 2008 to 2012.[2]

On June 25, 2012, Perry was hired by Orlando Magic General Manager Rob Hennigan to become Hennigan's vice president and assistant general manager.[1] ESPN basketball analyst and former NBA player Chauncey Billups spoke highly of Perry as the assistant General Manager of the Magic, saying, "I love Scott Perry in the front office."[4][5]

In his time in Orlando, Perry helped draft Victor Oladipo (2013), Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton (2014), and Mario Hezonja (2015) in Orlando.

On April 21, 2017 Perry was hired to be the Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations for the Sacramento Kings.
...  
ADeP7 : 7/13/2017 4:07 pm : link
Perry was hired as a front office executive for the Detroit Pistons by President Joe Dumars in June 2000. As a member of their executive team, Perry assisted in building a roster that went to six Eastern Conference Finals appearances (2003-2008), two Eastern Conference Championships (2004, 2005) and the 2004 NBA Championship.

Afterward, Perry served as the assistant general manager for the Seattle SuperSonics (now Oklahoma City Thunder) for one season (200708).[3] He was part of the front office staff that drafted Kevin Durant to the Sonics/Thunder in the first round with the second overall pick. He then returned to the Pistons to become vice president of basketball operations from 2008 to 2012.[2]

On June 25, 2012, Perry was hired by Orlando Magic General Manager Rob Hennigan to become Hennigan's vice president and assistant general manager.[1] ESPN basketball analyst and former NBA player Chauncey Billups spoke highly of Perry as the assistant General Manager of the Magic, saying, "I love Scott Perry in the front office."[4][5]

In his time in Orlando, Perry helped draft Victor Oladipo (2013), Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton (2014), and Mario Hezonja (2015) in Orlando.

On April 21, 2017 Perry was hired to be the Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations for the Sacramento Kings.
At least he has experience.  
Italianju : 7/13/2017 4:10 pm : link
Don't really love what ORL has done but like what SAC has done this offseason. Again he has experience so that's good. And it's not houston.
so he's been with the Kings  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 4:10 pm : link
for 3 months and now he wants to come HERE? Sounds like he'll fit right in at MSG.
Interesting connection to Dumars  
Chris684 : 7/13/2017 4:10 pm : link
who was rumored earlier in the search because obviously Isiah Thomas's fingerprints are still all over this franchise.
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:10 pm : link
like most of his resume is based on orlando, only joined sac in April.

His dad was the first black assistant coach in NFL history
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:12 pm : link
The Kings hired Perry, who has 17 NBA seasons of front office experience with the Detroit Pistons, Seattle SuperSonics and Orlando Magic, on April 21. The former Wayne State guard previously served as vice president with the Pistons for four seasons and with the Magic for the past five before being relieved of his duties in April. The former Eastern Kentucky head basketball coach was in the Pistons front office when they advanced to six consecutive Eastern Conference finals and won an NBA championship in 2004. Perry also served as the SuperSonics assistant general manager during the 2007-08 season and was on the staff that drafted Kevin Durant second overall in 2007.

While Divac remains in his role as general manager, Perry will have a strong influence on basketball personnel decisions. The first major task for Perry with the Kings will be the heralded 2017 NBA draft. This draft is expected to be one of the best in years, with such prospects as Washington guard Markelle Fultz, Kentucky guard DeAaron Fox, UCLA guard Lonzo Ball and Kansas swingman Josh Jackson.

This is a very promising draft. There could be some very good young talent in this draft. But as the case is with many drafts, so much of it depends on where certain players end up and how they fit in their respective environment to maximize their growth and development, Perry said.

Its complicated, but the Kings will likely have two lottery selections in the NBA draft on June 22. Sacramento has its own pick with the eighth-best odds for the first selection at 2.8 percent, but if the selection is higher than the Philadelphia 76ers, then the latter has the right to swap per a past trade. The Kings also have the New Orleans Pelicans selection via the Cousins trade if its outside the top three protected picks.
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While I don't want either pick protected,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/13/2017 4:12 pm : link
I would be happy with a deal netting 2 first round picks and no long term deal outside of Teletovic.
Kings  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:16 pm : link
Fox, Jackson, Giles (lottery ticket), Mason III, great draft. Hill contract was a value addition. Not sure how much was Perry but the Kings off-season has been very solid.
GM  
TyreeHelmet : 7/13/2017 4:17 pm : link
Perry is well regarded around the league from what I've heard. But he just got to Sacramento. Pretty strange move but I guess because it's a promotion he would be able to leave. It still blows having Mills on top though. Rumors were Masaii, Presti, Griffin and now this?

I know someone who use to work for the Knicks. He described Houston's reputation as pretty poor. Was not impressive at all in his basketball acumen. His words were a lot harsher but I'll leave it at that. As others have mentioned, look how long he's worked there and never got a sniff for an interview with another team. I mean Mark Hughes, who is seemingly under Houston on the power tree, has garnered interest and interviews from other teams. Tells you everything.

Can't Houston just join LJ and Starks as "ambassadors" for the Knicks?
It honestly doesn't even matter  
Keith : 7/13/2017 4:22 pm : link
because Dolan will still have his boys doing his thing. Whoever we name as GM does not matter.
It's a clear  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 4:23 pm : link
promotion for Perry, so it's easy to see why he accepted.

The Kings had a great offseason. I'm excited about this.
Marc Spears knows the NBA and calls it straight  
capone : 7/13/2017 4:23 pm : link
and he thinks Scott Perry is a really smart guy, effusive in his praise for him
Another low-level guy who is glad to take the job because  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 4:24 pm : link
It's a promotion and won't mind doing Mill's/Dolan's crony work.

Hope he's smart enough to use the job as a stepping stone.
Interview  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:25 pm : link
with Scotty P
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RE: I can almost guarantee that Phil  
djm : 7/13/2017 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13527410 Keith said:
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was undermined and he wasn't able to follow his vision. Nobody ever is when it comes to the Knicks. It's a mess.

Don't feel bad for Phil though, he was paid a billion dollars to be the fall guy.


Starting to think the same thing. The pattern is undeniable. Good basketball players and minds come to MSG to die. Not saying Phil was ever a great exec or GM but the guy knows NBA hoops. Don't tell me he doesn't know how to build a winner. Yet he comes here and turns into a fucking cranky pumpkin.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Nuke it from orbit. Tell KP to go swimming in Latvia for a week and then napalm and nuke that fucking place.
RE: RE: I can almost guarantee that Phil  
djm : 7/13/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13527419 Deej said:
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In comment 13527410 Keith said:


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was undermined and he wasn't able to follow his vision. Nobody ever is when it comes to the Knicks. It's a mess.

Don't feel bad for Phil though, he was paid a billion dollars to be the fall guy.



I dont think he was undermined. Just a guess though. I think Rosen or another crony would have leaked that. They may do so now, but at this point I'd consider it just opportunistic spin.


language in the contract probably issued a gag order. No former GM or coach ever blasts Dolan. Never.
A GM in this FO  
andrew_nyg : 7/13/2017 4:32 pm : link
is nothing more than a glorified scout.

Until they sweep out from Mills on down and replace him with the likes of a Griffin or a Dumars, or a Bird...they will remain a very bad joke across all of professional sports.

New York being the mecca of Basketball should dictate that the league intervene to have a properly run organization in this city!
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DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:35 pm : link
Sports News‏ @JSports_ent 5m5 minutes ago
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Melo trade update: despite thoughts Ryan Anderson is the hold up. I'm told the teams are trying to find a home for big man Myers Leonard.
Tell portland to throw in a 1st  
Keith : 7/13/2017 4:39 pm : link
and I'd take him.
RE: .  
Mike in NJ : 7/13/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13527534 DanMetroMan said:
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Sports News‏ @JSports_ent 5m5 minutes ago
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Melo trade update: despite thoughts Ryan Anderson is the hold up. I'm told the teams are trying to find a home for big man Myers Leonard.


Well, if true, that at least relieves me a bit in that it shows we are resistant to bringing Leonard here.
Wish I was joking about this  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 4:43 pm : link
but my co-workers, brother's friend knows Melo agent. And he's telling people the deal is done.

You heard it here first.
Shows  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 4:46 pm : link
how much Leonard sucks. His pure $$ isn't even that high but the money in relation to his sucking ratio is sky high.
Scott Perry's first day on the job:  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 4:50 pm : link
"who the fuck is Ron Baker?"
Fatman  
Elite Mobster #32 : 7/13/2017 4:51 pm : link
"totes the party line?" who talks like this ?

Just joking with you Fatman!

Why are they trying to force this trade for Carmelo ?
Are the Knicks are willing to settle for other teams spare parts.
We need a superior scorer for Carmelo, Or No Deal !!

If that is not available , its not a fair trade.
Carmelo has recently had a 62 Point game, maybe he can do it again.

Phil is gone now, he created serious tension and traded away players who have been active, in the Playoffs and Championships with other teams.

Lets play this season with what we have and continue to make adjustments.
So is Perry  
Phil in LA : 7/13/2017 4:51 pm : link
The new GM the other teams were alleging?
.  
Anakim : 7/13/2017 4:52 pm : link
Chris Broussard‏Verified account @Chris_Broussard
If Knicks hire Scott Perry as GM it'd be one of their smartest moves in a long time. Well respected with a great eye for talent
RE: So is Perry  
Anakim : 7/13/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13527551 Phil in LA said:
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The new GM the other teams were alleging?


David Aldridge‏Verified account @daldridgetnt
Deal between Kings VP Scott Perry & Knicks for vacant NY GM gig is not done but heading that way. Perry one of most respected execs in game.
Correction:  
Keith : 7/13/2017 4:55 pm : link
WAS one of the most respected execs in the game. Career suicide!
Lets say we do hire this guy,  
Keith : 7/13/2017 4:56 pm : link
would he have to sign off on any Melo deal?
Enzo  
Italianju : 7/13/2017 4:57 pm : link
I just lol'd at my desk got some odd looks.
RE: Lets say we do hire this guy,  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13527557 Keith said:
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would he have to sign off on any Melo deal?


I'm sure he knows about any deal.
Another of Dans guys?  
Keith : 7/13/2017 4:58 pm : link


While CSKA Moscow made contact with Sergio Rodriguez in order to lure him back to Europe, El Chacho wants to stay in the NBA and he is negotiating a new three-year deal with the Sixers.



4 hours ago C via EuroHoops.net




The two sides are near a deal, Rodriguez is expected to get around $4 million per season, which is almost a raise compared to his initial $8 million contract for the 2016-17 season. Almost half of those money went to Real Madrid for the buy out of the player and now the Spanish point guard is going to get a multiyear deal without having any other financial obligiation to the Spanish powerhouse.
Good  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 5:04 pm : link
news:

@sam_amick 58s58 seconds ago
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Update on Scott Perry situation: Kings seeking cash compensation in exchange for his exit to NY to become GM. Working through process now

We have that.

This sounds like a really good move on paper
Kings  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 5:04 pm : link
want cash to let Perry go, sounds like it's all but done.
RE: Lets say we do hire this guy,  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13527557 Keith said:
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would he have to sign off on any Melo deal?


i am sure that was part of their meeting today
3/12  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 5:05 pm : link
for Sergio is good value.
RE: Another of Dans guys?  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13527562 Keith said:
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While CSKA Moscow made contact with Sergio Rodriguez in order to lure him back to Europe, El Chacho wants to stay in the NBA and he is negotiating a new three-year deal with the Sixers.



4 hours ago C via EuroHoops.net




The two sides are near a deal, Rodriguez is expected to get around $4 million per season, which is almost a raise compared to his initial $8 million contract for the 2016-17 season. Almost half of those money went to Real Madrid for the buy out of the player and now the Spanish point guard is going to get a multiyear deal without having any other financial obligiation to the Spanish powerhouse.


Yup. Lost Caruso and Sergio the same day and Rondo apparently "in talks" with the Pelicans.

We are down to Lawson, Deron, Jennings, Rose
RE: Lets say we do hire this guy,  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13527557 Keith said:
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would he have to sign off on any Melo deal?

you would think, but they just dropped $71 million on a shooting guard they didn't need while they were talking to Griffin. Nothing would shock me at this point.
"We are down to Lawson, Deron, Jennings, Rose"  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 5:10 pm : link
out of those 4 I take Jennings and I don't think twice.

That's  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 5:10 pm : link
how garbage Derrick Rose is. He's still available with the likes of Deron Williams, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings. He's met with 2 teams, one of which already passed.
RE:  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13527581 Enzo said:
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out of those 4 I take Jennings and I don't think twice.


Out of those 4 I take none and lose a shitload of games with Ron Baker
Wow, we're actually doing something intelligent?  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 5:13 pm : link
I'll be damned.
Bucks  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 5:14 pm : link
"holding off" for now on Derrick Rose and now eyeing Ian Clark. That's the perceived value of Derrick Rose.
RE: That's  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 5:16 pm : link
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how garbage Derrick Rose is. He's still available with the likes of Deron Williams, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings. He's met with 2 teams, one of which already passed.

it's almost as if those of us who trashed him all last season actually were right about him!
Begley  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 5:16 pm : link
Perry was hired only three months ago as the front office's No. 2 to Kings GM Vlade Divac. That took place days after Perry was dismissed as the Orlando Magic's assistant GM.

Perry played a part in selecting Kentucky point guard De'Aaron Fox with the No. 5 overall pick and making a draft-day trade to move back and draft twice more in the first round, selecting North Carolina's Justin Jackson.

In free agency, the Kings signed veterans George Hill, Vince Carter and Zach Randolph.

Perry has a front-office history that includes stops in Seattle, Oklahoma City, Detroit, Orlando and Sacramento. He was part of helping GM Joe Dumars build an NBA champion and perennial contender with the Pistons.
RE: RE: Another of Dans guys?  
TyreeHelmet : 7/13/2017 5:18 pm : link
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While CSKA Moscow made contact with Sergio Rodriguez in order to lure him back to Europe, El Chacho wants to stay in the NBA and he is negotiating a new three-year deal with the Sixers.



4 hours ago C via EuroHoops.net




The two sides are near a deal, Rodriguez is expected to get around $4 million per season, which is almost a raise compared to his initial $8 million contract for the 2016-17 season. Almost half of those money went to Real Madrid for the buy out of the player and now the Spanish point guard is going to get a multiyear deal without having any other financial obligiation to the Spanish powerhouse.



Yup. Lost Caruso and Sergio the same day and Rondo apparently "in talks" with the Pelicans.

We are down to Lawson, Deron, Jennings, Rose


So the Knicks could have gotten Sergio ( vet pass first PG), Ian Clark ( young guy with upside) and Justin Holiday for less money and years then what Hardaway got. While leaving Baker as a restricted free agent.

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Enzo : 7/13/2017 5:18 pm : link
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out of those 4 I take Jennings and I don't think twice.

Out of those 4 I take none and lose a shitload of games with Ron Baker

you lose with Jennings too thanks to his awful defense - only he showed the ball will move when he's running PG, which will help KP, Wily, etc. develop on offense.
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Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 5:19 pm : link
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out of those 4 I take Jennings and I don't think twice.

Out of those 4 I take none and lose a shitload of games with Ron Baker


you lose with Jennings too thanks to his awful defense - only he showed the ball will move when he's running PG, which will help KP, Wily, etc. develop on offense.


Good point. He's also super entertaining.
Pelicans  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 5:20 pm : link
think they will land Rondo. Sent a "team" to visit him at home, he and Cousins are apparently close.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 5:22 pm : link
think I'm with you guys, of that group I'd go with Jennings. Seemed to have decent rapport with KP. Hated the triangle, would likely play even better in an uptempo offense favored by Hornacek. of those 4 I think Jennings would be my pick. Rose being last.
Rose  
TyreeHelmet : 7/13/2017 5:28 pm : link
Really shows you how he is perceived around the league. He's going to get the vet minimum. A 28 year old former MVP. That has to be a first in league history.

Really wish Phil got that Rubio trade done. Would have been steal for the Knicks.
so now, a pity party for Phil?  
ColHowPepper : 7/13/2017 5:33 pm : link
Because certainly he was undermined by the Dolan triumvirate? So they planted a chip in Phil's brain to badmouth Melo (never mind he's here in the first place because of Dolan) and float the trial balloon to trade KP. As manh george said, he did plenty to undermine himself.

The Knicks' fan brigade, sainted martyrdom, waiting on edge like Godot for the Melo deal: This franchise, when in HS you waited too long to, or couldn't otherwise, get an attractive prom date and you keep hoping you wake up on Prom morning that she's going to transform from pumpkin to Cinderella. I say this in empathy.
So it's being reported  
Phil in LA : 7/13/2017 5:37 pm : link
Perry and the Knicks have come to terms.
I won't be too upset missing out on Rondo.  
Keith : 7/13/2017 5:40 pm : link
He's a good fit, but I'd rather just be really bad. A guy like Sergio on a 4M per year deal would be ideal.
Hope they aren't giving up  
Tony in Berlin : 7/13/2017 5:42 pm : link
picks as compensation.
Perry  
TyreeHelmet : 7/13/2017 5:44 pm : link
What's Perry's motivation for coming to the Knicks? Obviously money but is that it? Maybe Mills is promising more power than he has with Vlade? Just a little strange to leave a job he took in April. Regardless its good news for the Knicks.
Shockingly, this is Perry's "dream job" per reports.  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 5:57 pm : link
Hard to fathom, but nice to hear. Hopefully he knows how to kiss Dolan's ass and become his Glen Sather.
don't ever change Frank!  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 6:01 pm : link
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Scott Perry is an experienced executive with connections. Also was in Orlando front office when they drafted Elfrid Payton & Mario Hezonja.
At least Frank  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 6:04 pm : link
didn't call it an Isiah decision.
It's not going to matter who is brought in to be the GM  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 6:13 pm : link
with the kind of amateur hour operation the Garden is.

I don't even know the guy, but hopefully he takes a lot of Dolan's money and he lands on his feet when he's the next guy fired for not overcoming Incompetence Square Garden.
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steve in ky : 7/13/2017 6:19 pm : link
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with the kind of amateur hour operation the Garden is.

I don't even know the guy, but hopefully he takes a lot of Dolan's money and he lands on his feet when he's the next guy fired for not overcoming Incompetence Square Garden.


At some point you hope that one of these guys figures out how to work within the MSG structure and can succeed in spite of the hurdles.
one thing in regards to melo trade  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 6:20 pm : link
knicks have yet to announce baker signing, could mean they think they are getting cap space in trade
RE: RE: It's not going to matter who is brought in to be the GM  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 6:28 pm : link
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with the kind of amateur hour operation the Garden is.

I don't even know the guy, but hopefully he takes a lot of Dolan's money and he lands on his feet when he's the next guy fired for not overcoming Incompetence Square Garden.



At some point you hope that one of these guys figures out how to work within the MSG structure and can succeed in spite of the hurdles.


To date it seems like the way to do it is be best pals with Jimmy. It got Allan Houston, Isiah Thomas, and Steve Mills great success.
RE: Fatman  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/13/2017 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13527550 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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"totes the party line?" who talks like this ?

Just joking with you Fatman!

Why are they trying to force this trade for Carmelo ?
Are the Knicks are willing to settle for other teams spare parts.
We need a superior scorer for Carmelo, Or No Deal !!

If that is not available , its not a fair trade.
Carmelo has recently had a 62 Point game, maybe he can do it again.

Phil is gone now, he created serious tension and traded away players who have been active, in the Playoffs and Championships with other teams.

Lets play this season with what we have and continue to make adjustments.

No.
RE: one thing in regards to melo trade  
Keith : 7/13/2017 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13527668 nygiants16 said:
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knicks have yet to announce baker signing, could mean they think they are getting cap space in trade


Then use that cap space for Rondo?
RE: Perry  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13527623 TyreeHelmet said:
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What's Perry's motivation for coming to the Knicks? Obviously money but is that it? Maybe Mills is promising more power than he has with Vlade? Just a little strange to leave a job he took in April. Regardless its good news for the Knicks.


He's almost certainly getting a lot of money.

And always remember, this was Larry Brown's "dream job" too.
RE: RE: one thing in regards to melo trade  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 6:59 pm : link
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knicks have yet to announce baker signing, could mean they think they are getting cap space in trade



Then use that cap space for Rondo?


knowing the knicks giving rose a 4 year deal
Yeah, it's a pretty big promotion.  
Keith : 7/13/2017 7:00 pm : link
He's probably going to get a huge raise as well as more say in personnel.
melos agent is in houston  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 7:00 pm : link
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Potential lineup with Melo trade and Rondo signing...  
Keith : 7/13/2017 7:04 pm : link
Rondo
Hardaway
Harkless
KP
Willy

Second team
Baker/Frank eventually
Lee
Kuzminskas
KOQ
Noah
I think Rondo is by far the best option  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 7:06 pm : link
But I can't see that happening unless it happens very soon and they're aggressive about it.
RE: melos agent is in houston  
Strahan91 : 7/13/2017 7:08 pm : link
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Melo and Paul are both Leon Rose clients I believe
The Knicks have been in contact with Rondo's agent  
Keith : 7/13/2017 7:08 pm : link
so they have expressed interest. It's in Rondo's best interest to wait for the Knicks to get involved to drive up his price. I'm sure the Knicks told his agent that they are in the process of trying to create some space. I don't think it's so far fetched. He's a good fit and you can probably get him for 2-20 or something like that.
I don't think it's far-fetched  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 7:09 pm : link
But he'd be a fool to sit around waiting for an offer from the Knicks if he already has any number of teams interested in him.
I think Houston is the most motivated team  
Keith : 7/13/2017 7:10 pm : link
to get this deal done. Hopefully the Knicks are negotiating from that position, not the team desperate to rid themselves of Melo.
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Keith : 7/13/2017 7:13 pm : link
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But he'd be a fool to sit around waiting for an offer from the Knicks if he already has any number of teams interested in him.


It's not like he's getting tons of interest. The Lakers reached out, but they can only give him like 4M and I'm sure they are out now. The Pelicans reached out, but he's not starting there and I doubt he will get any money. He'd be dumb not to wait for the Knicks IF they have indeed told them to wait.
Does anyone really think that a  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/13/2017 7:15 pm : link
Harden, Paul, & Melo team is toppling Golden State?
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nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 7:35 pm : link
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Melo and Paul are both Leon Rose clients I believe


leon rose does not represent chris paul
Breaking News:  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 9:24 pm : link
Jsports is a fake/bser. Knicks "pausing" trade talks with Houston and Cleveland per Shelbourne
RE: Breaking News:  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 9:27 pm : link
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Jsports is a fake/bser. Knicks "pausing" trade talks with Houston and Cleveland per Shelbourne


Seems harsh. It's pretty clear that that's what players have told him.
Two yard line.  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 9:29 pm : link
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Keith : 7/13/2017 9:35 pm : link
Derrick Rose and the Bucks are in "discussions to schedule a meeting" as early as this weekend, according to Chris Haynes of ESPN.com.
When the date is set, the meeting is expected to be in Los Angeles. Rose and the Bucks have already met once, and this report adds that the toughest obstacle is compensation for Rose. The Bucks are already over the tax, so the most they could offer right now would be $5.2 million for the upcoming season.
RE: ...  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/13/2017 9:46 pm : link
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Derrick Rose and the Bucks are in "discussions to schedule a meeting" as early as this weekend, according to Chris Haynes of ESPN.com.
When the date is set, the meeting is expected to be in Los Angeles. Rose and the Bucks have already met once, and this report adds that the toughest obstacle is compensation for Rose. The Bucks are already over the tax, so the most they could offer right now would be $5.2 million for the upcoming season.

And just a few short months ago, he thought he was getting a $150M deal. How the mighty have fallen.
RE: Two yard line.  
twostepgiants : 7/13/2017 10:06 pm : link
I guess it was on the Knicks 2 yard line

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nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 10:07 pm : link
knicks didnt like wht they were getting and putting it out there that they are in no rush so houston better up the offer
RE: Breaking News:  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/13/2017 11:02 pm : link
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Jsports is a fake/bser. Knicks "pausing" trade talks with Houston and Cleveland per Shelbourne

How does a developing situation while one of the teams involved onboards a new GM discredit any news from a few days prior?
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DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 11:22 pm : link
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Jsports is a fake/bser. Knicks "pausing" trade talks with Houston and Cleveland per Shelbourne


How does a developing situation while one of the teams involved onboards a new GM discredit any news from a few days prior?


He said the deal was done. He said Melo is going to Houston and the trade was completed. Now word is the Knicks were talking to both Houston and Cleveland and are "pausing" any discussions. No deal was done. False information . Done means done. There aren't 2 teams involved when "it's done".
Jsports  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2017 11:28 pm : link
"Sometimes in negotiations if your not getting what you want pulling out for forces the other side to increase the offer."

But I thought it was done? Hmmm weird
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Gatorade Dunk : 7/13/2017 11:43 pm : link
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Jsports is a fake/bser. Knicks "pausing" trade talks with Houston and Cleveland per Shelbourne


How does a developing situation while one of the teams involved onboards a new GM discredit any news from a few days prior?



He said the deal was done. He said Melo is going to Houston and the trade was completed. Now word is the Knicks were talking to both Houston and Cleveland and are "pausing" any discussions. No deal was done. False information . Done means done. There aren't 2 teams involved when "it's done".

I definitely see what you're saying, but I think it's just a matter of semantics. There has been nothing to suggest that NYK/HOU weren't at the point of just tying up loose ends with finding a 3rd/4th team to make the deal work. To this point, it was not yet completely done. We knew that.

Clearly it wasn't 100% done; we didn't need an announcement tonight to realize that. So I stand by what I said - I don't think that his original take was invalidated by a material change to the scenario with the Knicks hiring SP.
RE: Jsports  
Meats and Cheeses : 7/14/2017 1:08 am : link
In comment 13527886 DanMetroMan said:
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"Sometimes in negotiations if your not getting what you want pulling out for forces the other side to increase the offer."

But I thought it was done? Hmmm weird


He never said that. He said when all was said and done, Melo would be a Rocket. He may be right. This guy was right on the money that the Knicks would take the French pg. He also knew a lot about Joakim Noah's recruitment of Courtney Lee last summer. He is not a fraud.
I don't ever think  
ryanmkeane : 7/14/2017 10:46 am : link
Jsports said the trade was completed. He said Melo will be a Rocket when all is said and done.
Jsports  
ryanmkeane : 7/14/2017 10:47 am : link
also doesn't advertise himself as being something that he's not. He said he doesn't "break news" of trades, he just reports what he hears from sources. And his sources have said to him all along Melo will be a Rocket, no matter what the teams or players involved are.
RE: Potential lineup with Melo trade and Rondo signing...  
ryanmkeane : 7/14/2017 10:48 am : link
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Rondo
Hardaway
Harkless
KP
Willy

Second team
Baker/Frank eventually
Lee
Kuzminskas
KOQ
Noah

That team just MIGHT be not horrific enough to sneak out of the top 5 lottery.
Rondo  
DanMetroMan : 7/14/2017 10:51 am : link
is close to a deal with the Pelicans so barring a shocking Melo deal it's hard to imagine he's the PG.
RE: Rondo  
Metnut : 7/14/2017 10:54 am : link
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is close to a deal with the Pelicans so barring a shocking Melo deal it's hard to imagine he's the PG.


It's an interesting deal for the Pels. Rondo looked good in some big games last year and the Bulls might've upset the Celtics had he not gotten hurt. Side note, if Bulls upset the Celts and make a run to the ECF last year, how does that affect the Bulls offseason this year?
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