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ESPN 30For30 "Mike and the Maddog" premiers tonight at 8PM

DennyInDenville : 7/13/2017 7:19 pm
I'm sure some Giants moments will be re hashed

Little shocked it is only an hour  
figgy2989 : 7/13/2017 7:24 pm : link
Most of the 30 for 30 series seem like they are two hours
I think I'd rather get kicked in the nuts  
robbieballs2003 : 7/13/2017 7:38 pm : link
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RE: Little shocked it is only an hour  
Route 9 : 7/13/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13527722 figgy2989 said:
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Most of the 30 for 30 series seem like they are two hours


They had a radio show for years on the air. They were pretty annoying or "controversial". The end. Meh. Boring.
the 30-for-30's are good  
bluepepper : 7/13/2017 7:59 pm : link
but they tend to overstate the significance of their subject(s). You know they "defined an era" or "revolutionized the game" or "nobody had ever seen anything like this before". I am sure there will be a ton of that in this one.
Except it's pretty much true in this case  
Kyle in NY : 7/13/2017 8:03 pm : link
Francesa has become a punchline. But they really did pioneer sports talk radio. And in their prime, they were incredibly entertaining
In the case of Mike and the Mad Dog  
joeinpa : 7/13/2017 8:06 pm : link
No one had ever seen anything like this, they did revolutionize the Industry.
Came to see if any fellow mongos were watchin  
Sonic Youth : 7/13/2017 8:12 pm : link
#Numbah1
Revolutionized sports talk  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/13/2017 8:17 pm : link
Radio.
RE: I think I'd rather get kicked in the nuts  
Greg from LI : 7/13/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13527729 robbieballs2003 said:
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Yep. Two blithering idiots, one with the most annoying voice known to man and the other an arrogant blowhard who doesn't know a fraction of what he thinks he does.
They did shit for sports radio.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/13/2017 8:21 pm : link
Long before their buffonery there was Bill Mazer, John Sterling (yes, that JS), Art Rust, Jr. and many others across the nation in the 60s and 70s and years moving forward
Nothing could get by em  
Route 9 : 7/13/2017 8:23 pm : link
Turn it on and try em
This is really well done  
DennyInDenville : 7/13/2017 8:28 pm : link
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Loving it  
ChathamMark : 7/13/2017 8:29 pm : link
I'm older, so was a radio guy. They were a great listen in my opinion. Still miss the show.
Echoing the last few posts  
Stu11 : 7/13/2017 8:31 pm : link
If you can'trealize the revolutionary affect they had on the sports talk industry then I'm sorry but you really are not too perceptive. They were an indelible mark on the NY sports landscape for 2 decades. Yea some of the banter was over the top but they really got the best guests and asked the tough questions. The radio they supplied particularly in 3 runs- the 94 Rangers/Knicks, the 1990 Giants run and the '96 Yanks run was some of yhe most entertaining radio I've heard
RE: They did shit for sports radio.  
Stu11 : 7/13/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13527751 Big Blue '56 said:
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Long before their buffonery there was Bill Mazer, John Sterling (yes, that JS), Art Rust, Jr. and many others across the nation in the 60s and 70s and years moving forward

Fiddy I love you man and I listened to Mazer and Art Rust Jr. They were Menschs and good men no doubt but there's a reason nobody listened to sports talk radio back then. It was like listening to paint dry. M & Md brought life to the industry. Unfortunately they spawned a bunch of wannabes who suck.
I didn't remember the Piazza story they covered  
mfsd : 7/13/2017 8:41 pm : link
Nobody on radio before these guys ever had that kind of influence
Mike and the maddog were revolutionary  
Essex : 7/13/2017 8:44 pm : link
This documentary is pathetic.
what they were was the backbone of as far as I know, the first  
Moondawg : 7/13/2017 9:15 pm : link
all-sports radio network.
I felt it was a nostalgic trip down memory lane  
Essex : 7/13/2017 9:19 pm : link
I listened since day one and there was almost nothing new (besides the 9/11 caller but that was reported in media a few months ago) in it and I felt I was being conned into a infomercial for a Sirius reunion.

Also, while they were great for a while, Francesa has been a laughing stock since Russo left even if he gets ratings. It would have been nice if they explored it. I always thought one reason was they motivated each other to make good arguments, once they were apart Francesa became increasingly unprepared and cartoonish.
RE: They did shit for sports radio.  
TyreeHelmet : 7/13/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13527751 Big Blue '56 said:
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Long before their buffonery there was Bill Mazer, John Sterling (yes, that JS), Art Rust, Jr. and many others across the nation in the 60s and 70s and years moving forward


Getttt lawstttt
i was underwhelmed with this 30 for 30  
Jints in Carolina : 7/13/2017 9:48 pm : link
it was meh. Was expecting a lot more.
It was fun but could've been much more  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/13/2017 9:54 pm : link
I mean the XFL doc was longer and it didn't last one year. So much more they could've done - interviews with guys like Calipari, Mike's internet/social media fame post-Russo, etc.
Yeah they basically mentioned the highlights  
Essex : 7/13/2017 10:04 pm : link
but never even tried to dig beneath the surface.

They just kept saying they were "significant" "influential" etc, which was true but I didn't need a doc to tell me so.

As a documentary is was really poor.
Interesting But  
Samiam : 7/13/2017 10:28 pm : link
I'm of the opinion that the show got better when Russo left
Waiting to hear bob tuckers take  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/13/2017 10:30 pm : link
He doing a Q&A?
Bob Tucker  
B in ALB : 7/13/2017 10:39 pm : link
Is at the premier and will not be available until tomorrow following the party at the Diet Coke factory.
RE: i was underwhelmed with this 30 for 30  
Danny Kanell : 7/13/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13527807 Jints in Carolina said:
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it was meh. Was expecting a lot more.


+1
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Danny Kanell : 7/13/2017 11:05 pm : link
The ending with all the fans saying how they wish they would get back together, I really think it's gonna happen. Maybe on ESPN radio, which is why they got the 30 for 30.
I thought it was too rushed for 60 minutes.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/13/2017 11:35 pm : link
I also thought the inclusion of the 9-11 Israel thing was a complete and total waste of time.

I would've liked more time spent on the battles with local athletes (Strahan, Shockey, etc.) and managers/coaches (all of the drama with Mets managers and others).

I disagreed with them A LOT, but they were still the best listen on the radio by far.
Them getting back together is the worst kept secret in the world  
BlueHurricane : 7/13/2017 11:57 pm : link
They are 100% doing something together again.

I was a Mike and The Mad Dog fan. Listened riding shotgun every time I was in the car with my dad from the time I was 10. I enjoy hearing their voices together. Hope it happens.
In the 1970s WBZ in Boston had an evening sports call-in show  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 7/14/2017 1:40 am : link
but with only one host, whose name I will never remember. But on Sunday night there was the three hour joy of The Sports Huddle, starring three guys who talked sports in a bar after work and were overheard by a radio executive.

A genuinely funny show which I much needed after the most recent Giants' loss, which is about all they did in the 70s. Eddie Andelman, Mark and Jim, but Eddie Andelman drove the show as a genuinely funny guy who didn't have to scream and shout to get attention.

One night after Andelman had added local sports newscaster to his resume he introduced the new Bruins goaltender, which was a real bear cub with goalie gloves and stick chained to a real net.

Well, maybe you had to see it to appreciate the humor.
I knew everything already  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/14/2017 7:21 am : link
It was boring.

Maybe a WFAN doc would have been better idk.

I liked watching it  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/14/2017 7:34 am : link
but it was too short, and had way too much of an ESPN'ie feel to it. You can't expect ESPN to make a big long PSA for Francesa who consistently beats their radio networks ratings. I think Michael Kay got more screen time in interviews than Minko, Roberts, Beningo & Chernoff.
RE: I thought it was too rushed for 60 minutes.  
Essex : 7/14/2017 7:35 am : link
In comment 13527888 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I also thought the inclusion of the 9-11 Israel thing was a complete and total waste of time.

I would've liked more time spent on the battles with local athletes (Strahan, Shockey, etc.) and managers/coaches (all of the drama with Mets managers and others).

I disagreed with them A LOT, but they were still the best listen on the radio by far.


The whole drama behind the 9/11 thing was that it was alleged for years and it involved their great antagonist Mushnick bringing it up. That they could have dispelled it the next day (surely they had the tapes at that time) made no sense. Also, don't know if Mushnick didn't want to cooperate or they chose not to have him, but no Mushnick in this was like having a documentary about "moby dick" without ahab. Like or not like Mushnick is irrelevant, he was their biggest public critic, always got under their skin, and he needed to be in it. I hope it was Mushnkck's decision and not the filmmakers to make it a more pro-Mike and Dog peace.
RE: RE: I thought it was too rushed for 60 minutes.  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/14/2017 7:40 am : link
In comment 13527960 Essex said:
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In comment 13527888 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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I also thought the inclusion of the 9-11 Israel thing was a complete and total waste of time.

I would've liked more time spent on the battles with local athletes (Strahan, Shockey, etc.) and managers/coaches (all of the drama with Mets managers and others).

I disagreed with them A LOT, but they were still the best listen on the radio by far.



The whole drama behind the 9/11 thing was that it was alleged for years and it involved their great antagonist Mushnick bringing it up. That they could have dispelled it the next day (surely they had the tapes at that time) made no sense. Also, don't know if Mushnick didn't want to cooperate or they chose not to have him, but no Mushnick in this was like having a documentary about "moby dick" without ahab. Like or not like Mushnick is irrelevant, he was their biggest public critic, always got under their skin, and he needed to be in it. I hope it was Mushnkck's decision and not the filmmakers to make it a more pro-Mike and Dog peace.


They forgot corey lidle. I wish simmons did the doc
RE: i was underwhelmed with this 30 for 30  
figgy2989 : 7/14/2017 7:57 am : link
In comment 13527807 Jints in Carolina said:
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it was meh. Was expecting a lot more.


Agreed, they definitely could have gotten into more details of some of the story lines. As someone mentioned above like Corey Lidle.

Was surprised to see Michael Kay interviewed. As much as he bashes Francesa on his show.
RE: RE: They did shit for sports radio.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/14/2017 8:26 am : link
In comment 13527761 Stu11 said:
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Long before their buffonery there was Bill Mazer, John Sterling (yes, that JS), Art Rust, Jr. and many others across the nation in the 60s and 70s and years moving forward


Fiddy I love you man and I listened to Mazer and Art Rust Jr. They were Menschs and good men no doubt but there's a reason nobody listened to sports talk radio back then. It was like listening to paint dry. M & Md brought life to the industry. Unfortunately they spawned a bunch of wannabes who suck.


Stu, I hear you, but in fairness, Sports talk with Mazer and Rust, Jr., was in its infancy..Trial and error..It wasn't until Howard Stern and then Neil Rogers(Miami) that obnoxiousness permeated Sports talk..Now it's no holds barred
Interesting nostalgia ....  
Spider56 : 7/14/2017 8:35 am : link
Their show was a poor imitation of what went on in the Brooklyn neighborhood bars every night ... and I don't like either of these 2 clowns ... but the part on their backgrounds was informative. Explains Mike's insecurity and MD's pompous, arrogant, rich kid anus like ways.
It was alright  
aimrocky : 7/14/2017 8:42 am : link
not great... Too short and not a ton of inside info. It really made Mike look like a whiney ass, and really makes you think these two are re-uniting.
RE: RE: RE: I thought it was too rushed for 60 minutes.  
Essex : 7/14/2017 9:17 am : link
In comment 13527966 Joey from GlenCove said:
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In comment 13527888 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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I also thought the inclusion of the 9-11 Israel thing was a complete and total waste of time.

I would've liked more time spent on the battles with local athletes (Strahan, Shockey, etc.) and managers/coaches (all of the drama with Mets managers and others).

I disagreed with them A LOT, but they were still the best listen on the radio by far.



The whole drama behind the 9/11 thing was that it was alleged for years and it involved their great antagonist Mushnick bringing it up. That they could have dispelled it the next day (surely they had the tapes at that time) made no sense. Also, don't know if Mushnick didn't want to cooperate or they chose not to have him, but no Mushnick in this was like having a documentary about "moby dick" without ahab. Like or not like Mushnick is irrelevant, he was their biggest public critic, always got under their skin, and he needed to be in it. I hope it was Mushnkck's decision and not the filmmakers to make it a more pro-Mike and Dog peace.



They forgot corey lidle. I wish simmons did the doc


I always felt that Dog got a bad rap on Lidle. Dog was a jerk to him, but that is sports radio. He didn't know Lidle was going to die in a plane crash a few days later.
they  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/14/2017 9:50 am : link
didnt hit the Lidle piece directly, but they had the interview between Dog and Cashmen with Cashmen defending Lidle after Dog bashed him.
Their Hey-Day  
Bernie : 7/14/2017 12:00 pm : link
was 1991-1995. Then they became too big for their bridges and were never as smart as they thought they were. But they had the platform and used it to their personal benefit.
Anyone have any idea when this will be rebroadcast?  
Grey Pilgrim : 7/14/2017 12:42 pm : link
TIA
RE: Their Hey-Day  
mfsd : 7/14/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13528171 Bernie said:
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was 1991-1995. Then they became too big for their bridges and were never as smart as they thought they were. But they had the platform and used it to their personal benefit.


Pretty good summary. The 30 for 30 - which I agree was interesting but pretty much a puff piece - included both Mike and Chris generally admitting their success went to their heads.

The point it made is their early success was largely driven by the dynamic of 2 regular joe New York fans talking sports. The part of the story it failed to explore is they assumed their ratings success somehow verified them as experts.

How many times, when challenged, has Francesa generally growled that since he's "numbah" one, how dare anyone question him? Dozens.

While Mushnick isn't exactly a redeemable character himself, a truly unbiased documantary would have included him and explored more of the reasons why these 2 earn so much criticism
Is there any way to watch it on demand?  
Grey Pilgrim : 7/14/2017 2:14 pm : link
via espn or maybe verizon?

I'd really like to see this.

Apple TV maybe?  
Grey Pilgrim : 7/14/2017 2:32 pm : link
???
RE: .  
Jints in Carolina : 7/15/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13527882 Danny Kanell said:
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The ending with all the fans saying how they wish they would get back together, I really think it's gonna happen. Maybe on ESPN radio, which is why they got the 30 for 30.


Will happen on XM before ESPN Radio.
Here's a link...  
Grey Pilgrim : 7/16/2017 3:18 pm : link
for anyone who's interested.
http://www.espn.com/watch?id=3121515 - ( New Window )
Few things to add..  
Route 9 : 7/18/2017 1:47 am : link
I always liked Mike in a way. If i had a gun to my head and I had to listen to any radio show, Id pick him. His voice is not as annoying as others. Very easy to listen to, a bit boring though. He does have great knowledge for a lot of sports.

I liked his tough stubborn NY persona or whatever, that was all well and good. Of course, prior to Super Bowl 42, Russo was doing his best ďtrash the GiantsĒ quest for ratings prior the Super Bowl. Ok, he wasnít doing anything really bold by predicting a 12 point favorite would win the Super Bowl outside of doing it in NY, but I think Frances picked the Patriots as well. I know he said this team wasnít going to go on a Super Bowl run and was 100% sure of it after the Washington game.

The thing I really donít like about guys like these is they constantly run their mouths and put down teams claiming they have no chance prior to games as if theyíre opinion is all that matters but when theyíre proven wrong, its automatically trivialized. Id love to see most, especially these two, handle it in a more humiliating way, unlike the way they did after Super Bowl 42. Didnít you idiots just say there was no chance prior to the game? You were wrong. Fess up to it.

I think Mike mentioned Strahan attacking someone in the media in his Super Bowl speech because they said something negative and Strahan didnít like it. Mike didnít like it at all and ripped him apart for it. Oh? Youíre just supposed to have someone run their mouth and call your team lousy, claim you have no chance for 2 weeks and not get fired up about it? Fuck that. If you are going to be so cocky as a media persona and when youíre wrong, take it on the chin like a man.

(I know Strahan and Mike donít like each other from a while back but shit, own up to being wrong and when someone gets called out on it, thats fair game.

I donít know, I guess its different than a Craig Carton who obviously doesnít care about the outcomes of the games but heís just annoying for the sake of being annoying. When heís wrong, it just doesnít matter as much because its way too obvious what Craig is doing.
That didn't seem...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/18/2017 8:44 am : link
like a usual 30 for 30 production. Like others have said, it was like an hour long infomercial that never really scratched the surface or tackled any controversies.

I feel like every 30 for 30 I learn something new or see footage I never had before, but I don't feel this one broke any new ground or even shed light on anything we didn't know.

Pretty poor.
RE: That didn't seem...  
Big Blue '56 : 7/18/2017 8:53 am : link
In comment 13530795 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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like a usual 30 for 30 production. Like others have said, it was like an hour long infomercial that never really scratched the surface or tackled any controversies.

I feel like every 30 for 30 I learn something new or see footage I never had before, but I don't feel this one broke any new ground or even shed light on anything we didn't know.

Pretty poor.


Iirc, when many were bashing Reese and extolling the talent-acquiring virtues(though many of his core were already in place there) of Gettleman, you were essentially saying that Gettleman was BBI's newest flavor of the month, that DG could do no wrong (paraphrasing)..You certainly hit that one up the alley
Oops,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/18/2017 8:54 am : link
wrong thread
RE: They did shit for sports radio.  
RinR : 7/18/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13527751 Big Blue '56 said:
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Long before their buffonery there was Bill Mazer, John Sterling (yes, that JS), Art Rust, Jr. and many others across the nation in the 60s and 70s and years moving forward


You come off like an old curmudgeon. You may not have liked their show but they most definitely changed sports talk radio.

Personally I found their show entertaining despite finding Francesa a blow hard know it all. I liked Mad Dog goofiness and they played well off each other. I still listen to Mad Dog on Sirius if I dont like whats on Howard's channels or the NFL channel.
RE: RE: They did shit for sports radio.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/18/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13530851 RinR said:
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Long before their buffonery there was Bill Mazer, John Sterling (yes, that JS), Art Rust, Jr. and many others across the nation in the 60s and 70s and years moving forward



You come off like an old curmudgeon. You may not have liked their show but they most definitely changed sports talk radio.

Personally I found their show entertaining despite finding Francesa a blow hard know it all. I liked Mad Dog goofiness and they played well off each other. I still listen to Mad Dog on Sirius if I dont like whats on Howard's channels or the NFL channel.


So you think Francessa's a blowhard and you like Mad Dog's goofiness, but me thinking they were unlistenable, makes me an old curmudgeon. Fine..Btw, Francessa in the '80s/90s on TV was TO ME, the most informed..Now he's a showman and paired with that idiot they were extremely difficult to listen to, especially with Dog's incessant yelling/shouting, I'm an old curmudgeon because I think they suck?
Haven't seen it  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/18/2017 10:58 am : link
yet, but looking forward to checking it out when it comes On Demand.

I still don't think Francesa calls it quits this December. He's got too healthy of an ego to fade into the darkness.
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