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NFT: Carmelo trade talks called off by Knicks

twostepgiants : 7/13/2017 9:52 pm
The New York Knicks are pausing trade talks centered on Carmelo Anthony and want to pursue a conversation with the 10-time NBA All-Star about possibly reincorporating him into the organization, league sources told ESPN.
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damn it.  
Natek212 : 7/13/2017 10:01 pm : link
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I pray to God that this is a ploy to get more out of a possible deal  
Anakim : 7/13/2017 10:03 pm : link
Because it makes absolutely ZERO sense to keep Melo. Well, the only way it makes sense is that you might be able to get something more at the Trading Deadline but given his injury history, I wouldn't risk it.


This team can't even tank properly...and our cap situation is shit
Completely and entirely  
twostepgiants : 7/13/2017 10:04 pm : link
Predictable
Might be the best way to rebuild his trade value  
RAIN : 7/13/2017 10:05 pm : link
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Joy is always short lived with the Knicks.  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 10:06 pm : link
A couple of hours ago I was happy with the GM hire - can't even ride that high for one freaking night.
It makes plenty  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 10:07 pm : link
of sense to keep Melo.

The worst case scenario is it opens up 26M in cap space next year when he opts out.

What is the trade that can get done that doesn't give the Knicks additional salary obligations?

I guess the ball was on the  
twostepgiants : 7/13/2017 10:07 pm : link
Knicks 2 yard line
RE: Joy is always short lived with the Knicks.  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13527825 bceagle05 said:
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A couple of hours ago I was happy with the GM hire - can't even ride that high for one freaking night.


ehh it makes sense, of they arenot getting what they wnt put it out there they are in no rush and see if houaton or clevelabd up the offer...plus you want the new gm in on the talks
it makes plenty of sense to hold  
Enzo : 7/13/2017 10:09 pm : link
onto Melo for the time being. Right now the offers appear to be crap. You can most likely get these crap offers during the season as well.
If he's adamant about Cleveland or Houston  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 10:09 pm : link
the deals won't get any better by the deadline. All it does is kill our draft status.
Imagine  
Jon in NYC : 7/13/2017 10:09 pm : link
if just the Rockets had kept one asset from the Clippers. I probably would have done Melo for Anderson, Dekker, and spare parts. But the Rockets really just have garbage to offer now.
Maybe our new GM  
Dave on the UWS : 7/13/2017 10:10 pm : link
Doesn't want to dump him for nothing or bad contracts. Trade him when it works best it when you get screwed,
It's not the end of of the world  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 10:10 pm : link
but it's frustrating. How long has this deal been "imminent?"
I think it hurts KP's development and it definitely hurts the Knicks  
Anakim : 7/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
season. What? Are we trying to get the 8th seed? Tank for a top-5 pick
Oh and the team  
Dave on the UWS : 7/13/2017 10:13 pm : link
sucked with Melo the draft status will tske care of itself. Giving him away for a bag of crap and bad contracts is the kind of move they USUALLY make.
You hire a new GM  
steve in ky : 7/13/2017 10:13 pm : link
stands to reason you show him enough respect to allow him to run with it if he desires to.
also putting it out there  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 10:15 pm : link
that knicks are willing to keep melo adds a tiny bit of leverage
RE: I guess the ball was on the  
Stu11 : 7/13/2017 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13527828 twostepgiants said:
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Knicks 2 yard line

No it was on the Rockets 2 yd line and we threw 4 straight fade passes to our 5'11 WR
RE: It makes plenty  
twostepgiants : 7/13/2017 10:16 pm : link
Carmelo isnt opting out. If the guy has shown anything in is career is that he wants every cent

The reason he didnt make the LeBron free agency is that he money grabbed to reap early with Denver. He could have played his year out in Denver and signed with Knicks in free agency with a more talent laden team but they couldnt offer him as much then so Knicks dealt every asset they had. Then he choose reupping with Knicks over Bulls.

He's always chosen the money.

Carmelo won't get 26 mil in free agency next year from another team.



In comment 13527826 Jon in NYC said:
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of sense to keep Melo.

The worst case scenario is it opens up 26M in cap space next year when he opts out.

What is the trade that can get done that doesn't give the Knicks additional salary obligations?
No big deal  
DCOrange : 7/13/2017 10:16 pm : link
They are not getting anything for him anyway and he is not going to anything to win more than a couple of extra games. As a Syracuse grad/fan I will be disappointed if he decides to stay rather than showing a desire to win somewhere else. I cannot imagine being him and electing to stay for 2 more years of garbage basketball and losing.
Walking out of the car dealership  
B in ALB : 7/13/2017 10:17 pm : link
To get a better deal is SOP.

New GM knows to walk away. Great timing.

GOOD. Don't give him away like Mills and AH would have.
RE: Walking out of the car dealership  
mfsd : 7/13/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13527848 B in ALB said:
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To get a better deal is SOP.

New GM knows to walk away. Great timing.

GOOD. Don't give him away like Mills and AH would have.


Yeah I just read this as giving the new GM time to join the negotiations. Publicly stating they'll consider bringing him back is a negotiating ploy, he's still as good as gone
I wonder if our new GM  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 10:21 pm : link
would've walked away from that $80 million we just gave Timmy Jr. and Ron Burgundy had these front office moves had been made at the proper time? I guess I'll trust the process or something.
You guys are crazy if you think this is anything other than business  
ghost718 : 7/13/2017 10:21 pm : link
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The Knicks have 1 job right now  
twostepgiants : 7/13/2017 10:24 pm : link
Be the worst team in the NBA for the next 2 years and acquire 2 top 3 lottery picks to put with Porzingas.

That way in 2019-20 you have a 23 year old hopefully perennial all-star Porzingas and hopefully regular starter 21-year old Frankie Ntkilina at the PG and 2 highly touted lottery picks manning the other 2 spots and thats the core moving forward with hopefully some cap space arriving after Hardaway and Noah expire.

That's the only hope this team has.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter what extra drop in the bucket they can wrangle out of Houston other than shedding Carmelo Anthony off this team because the 1 thing he will not do is help the knicks be the worst team in the NBA.

The 5, 6, 7, 8 pick etc just isnt good enough.

They must be the worst team in league and hopefully get some luck and get the 1 pick.
Lol  
djm : 7/13/2017 10:26 pm : link
Said it ten times the last month. Ill believe melo is traded when I see it. I'm sick of him but there's a part of me that wants to see the knicks keep melo and get the most out of him. His trade value obviously blows. But this is still so frustrating and knicksy.

It would be hard for me to blame the knicks if melo wasn't going to return anything postitive in a trade. I do not under any circumstance buy him out or trade him for a shitter player and contract. Why do that? That's just stupid.

Use melo as a scorer and transition the team over to KP. Don't like taking less shots there melo? What the fuck are you even gonna do about it? Just play ball.
RE: You guys are crazy if you think this is anything other than business  
B in ALB : 7/13/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13527855 ghost718 said:
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What else would it have to do with other than business? What are you babbling about?

Aren't you the guy who said there are at least 10 WRs better than Beckham? Yeah you are.

You're awful here.
Hopefully this was Perry's call  
Canton : 7/13/2017 10:31 pm : link
Cause Mills would've eventually caved and took on Anderson's or Leonard's contracts.

Keeping Carmelo (for the moment) is not the worse case scenario.
It means exactly what I said  
ghost718 : 7/13/2017 10:31 pm : link
look it up in your Meathead Handbook
When you posted that Beckham  
B in ALB : 7/13/2017 10:33 pm : link
isn't in the top 10 of WRs in the league, did you mean what you said?
All that aside I have no problem with this at all  
Stu11 : 7/13/2017 10:35 pm : link
the deal being bandied about was meh. Let Houston do some work scrounging up a 3rd or 4th team to give us at least an intriguing young guy and a pick or 2. I know those around here basically paint Melo as hot garbage, the guy proved the past few Olympics he can really fit into a team of stars. We may as well maximize what we can get seeing as if Houston is interested there aren't many better options especially if they want to dump Ryan Anderson somewhere
RE: All that aside I have no problem with this at all  
mfsd : 7/13/2017 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13527867 Stu11 said:
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the deal being bandied about was meh. Let Houston do some work scrounging up a 3rd or 4th team to give us at least an intriguing young guy and a pick or 2. I know those around here basically paint Melo as hot garbage, the guy proved the past few Olympics he can really fit into a team of stars. We may as well maximize what we can get seeing as if Houston is interested there aren't many better options especially if they want to dump Ryan Anderson somewhere


Or let the sleazy agents get to work orchestrating a better deal for the Knicks. So tired of the rest of the league and all the agents taking advantage of the Knicks perpetual dumbfuckery
It's the  
TommyWiseau : 7/13/2017 10:40 pm : link
Right move. Let Perry establish himself before moving forward with the trade talks. Why take shit contracts back when you don't have to
With triangle completely dead  
KingZ : 7/13/2017 10:44 pm : link
What's to say Melo, KP, THJ isn't part of really good offense? Wait, can these guys defend?

Trade Lee for a PG.
it could be as simple as  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2017 10:45 pm : link
mills wants perry to review all of the trade proposals before moving forward..
The only thing this does is feed the narrative  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 10:56 pm : link
in some people's minds that you're going to get some kind of great deal for him later.

He's just not worth what some people figure he's worth. The window for trading him for a haul passed on a long time ago. His game last year looked older than his birth certificate tells you, he now gets some form of hurt every season, he's no longer the same overwhelming scorer, and he plays less defense than ever.

The fact that the Rockets tried this hard over the wishes of their own head coach to get a deal done and get other teams involes, they should've taken what they could get and run. The more time Houston has to think about this, the more reasons they'll come up with to second-guess the fit of having two ball-dominant scorers trying to share the ball.

RE: It makes plenty  
Vanzetti : 7/13/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13527826 Jon in NYC said:
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of sense to keep Melo.

The worst case scenario is it opens up 26M in cap space next year when he opts out.

What is the trade that can get done that doesn't give the Knicks additional salary obligations?


Once again, Jon in NYC hits the nail on the head. No reason to move Carmelo now for squat. What does that gain the Knicks?

Haven't we seen enough and heard enough from Melo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2017 11:03 pm : link
to be pretty sure he's not leaving money on the table just to play for a winning team? He flat out said he would be content if he finished without a ring. He's not getting near that dollar figure on the open market. Phil's gone, so he won that battle. He's still Dolan's guy, from all indications surrounding Phil's firing. Why would he leave? At this point we need a better reason than "to go play with his friends", since he's passed up every opportunity before to go do that when the choice was winning or money.
If you move him for the same shit package  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2017 11:03 pm : link
at the deadline all you've done is signed up for six more months of Melo-drama and the seventh pick in the draft instead of top three. I'm hopeful this is just a negotiating ploy and not a path they're seriously considering.
Moving him is the right thing to do IF we don't take long term  
yatqb : 7/13/2017 11:06 pm : link
salary back. We don't want a deal that ties our hands down the line. Butt it sure would be nice to get rid of him and get a high pick next year.
They're not getting a high pick under any circumstances.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/13/2017 11:37 pm : link
The best I think they can hope for is multiple first round picks and no contracts lasting beyond the 2018-2019 season.
Might not hurt Knicks draft status.  
manh george : 7/14/2017 1:43 am : link
Say 1) Melo gets injured; and

2) We can't afford a quality, experienced PG.

That could be an unbelievably bad team.
They"re re-setting their leverage  
Phil in LA : 7/14/2017 1:59 am : link
As the new GM saddles up.
I wouldn't trade him if trade value isn't there.  
Giant John : 7/14/2017 5:25 am : link
Knicks aren't going anywhere with or without him. Let him sit if he sulks.
Hold out until  
TommyWiseau : 7/14/2017 6:37 am : link
Qi is available in a few weeks. I want him as part of the deal.
Melo  
GMEN46 : 7/14/2017 6:49 am : link
Has to be traded. If they keep him this is probably 30-35 win team in the pitiful seats once they get a bet PG. we cannot have that.
The Knicks  
PaulN : 7/14/2017 9:07 am : link
Are looked at as the biggest jokes in the sport, in my opinion this is actually good news, maybe they can start to act like a fucking franchise with a plan. The shame of all this is was keeping Phil too long, making moves before getting your GM, now lets see if they finally have someone in the organization with a fucking brain and a clue.
RE: Completely and entirely  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/14/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13527821 twostepgiants said:
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Predictable


Hahahaha yeah... I'm a casual Knicks fan, and I kept thinking it just makes too much sense to trade him and rebuild properly. No way they'll do the sensible thing.
The teams he wants to go to  
Jan in DC : 7/14/2017 12:49 pm : link
have nothing of any value to offer. Wait and trade him closer to the trade deadline. We were doing just fine losing with him in the lineup this season, we can lose with him in it next season as well.
Which is it?  
81_Great_Dane : 7/14/2017 7:01 pm : link
The Knicks would be idiots to trade Melo right away, because they'd have to take a bad contract back?

OR

The Knicks are idiots for not trading Melo right away, even if they'd have to take a bad contract back?
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