Kind of at a crossroads here. They could try to acquire pitching for a stretch run, but should they? Should they look to sell instead? Tough decision....I could see it going either way.
If they don't think he's ready (and, despite his overall performance, there are some warning signs that he isn't), they aren't going to deviate from their plans to fill a temporary hole.
And, even if they do put Adams in the rotation now, there is going to be a problem late in the year because he is going to get shut down eventually. He was a reliever until last year and has never thrown more than 127 innings. He's already at 92 this year.
but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
If they don't think he's ready (and, despite his overall performance, there are some warning signs that he isn't), they aren't going to deviate from their plans to fill a temporary hole.
And, even if they do put Adams in the rotation now, there is going to be a problem late in the year because he is going to get shut down eventually. He was a reliever until last year and has never thrown more than 127 innings. He's already at 92 this year.
Yeah, for that reason I don't think they'll bring him up. I think alot will hinge on this series this weekend. If we lose ground, I think we'll conservatively sell / bring up from within. If we win 3 of 4 or sweep, I think they'll definitely go out and get a pitcher. Probably 2.
Bird has inflammation of os trigonum (extra bone behind ankle). Doc says might be his issue. Options? Another cortisone shot or remove bone. Cooper will be called up sometime this weekend in Boston.
but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
realistically, he's a 4th starter, with stuff that means he should be better than that, but for whatever reason, he's not.
So, if that's the case, if you need to go out and replace Pineda on the trade market, that doesn't mean you need to go shopping at the top end of it. You can get a back end guy if you don't think you have an internal answer, and that will function as a like for like replacement.
Don't panic before the deadline. This team, if healthy, is good enough to make the playoffs as is. And Pineda doesn't really change that.
We're probably not ready to win a championship this year, but if we can get to the playoffs that's great. At the very least, it's a good experience for the young guys.
As an aside, I feel bad for Pineda, going into his walk year. He was inconsistent, but when he was good, he was very good. Sucks he never put it all together.
but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
Yep. Sales' UCL will eventually go, too. Just a matter of time.
unless the swoon lasts through this road trip and we go like 3-8. Hopefully we can get through this for the short term and see if we can add a 3rd or 4th type ML starter.
Bird has inflammation of os trigonum (extra bone behind ankle). Doc says might be his issue. Options? Another cortisone shot or remove bone. Cooper will be called up sometime this weekend in Boston.
Just want a solution that gets him on the field this year. He can't lose any more development time.
but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
Yep. Sales' UCL will eventually go, too. Just a matter of time.
I don't think Scherzer could have thrown any harder if he wanted to, same with Sale and all that herky - jerky motion for both of them.
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but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
My bold added.
Bobby Valentine: There was a good interview early afternoon on WFAN with the former Mets' manager, during which the Pineda news came out. Valentine had some very interesting observations: The aggregate pitch count is being mis-used and mis-construed. 100 pitches as a target is ok over 7 innings, e.g., 15 pitches an inning. It's the 30-35 pitch inning that is killing pitchers' arms, in his view, and 105 innings including a 35-pitch inning is a very different, higher stress level on the elbow joint than a 110 pitch inning over 7 or 8.
His example was doing bench presses or curls @ a challenging weight: you might be able to do 5 sets of 10, with resting periods, but try doing TWO sets of 25, you'll strain the shit out of the pecs/biceps on the second set.
I had not heard that analysis before, but it makes some sense. Overall, it was a lively, entertaining interview, w/ Bobby V talking about a number of highlights, Clemens throwing bat at Piazza, how he had to stave off being fired (after his coaching staff was) by promising to go 40 - 15 down the stretch ('99?), other stuff. Smart guy.
realistically, he's a 4th starter, with stuff that means he should be better than that, but for whatever reason, he's not.
So, if that's the case, if you need to go out and replace Pineda on the trade market, that doesn't mean you need to go shopping at the top end of it. You can get a back end guy if you don't think you have an internal answer, and that will function as a like for like replacement.
Don't panic before the deadline. This team, if healthy, is good enough to make the playoffs as is. And Pineda doesn't really change that.
We're probably not ready to win a championship this year, but if we can get to the playoffs that's great. At the very least, it's a good experience for the young guys.
As an aside, I feel bad for Pineda, going into his walk year. He was inconsistent, but when he was good, he was very good. Sucks he never put it all together.
I have to disagree. If they were going to try to obtain a 4th or 5th starter caliber pitcher, then there is no need for them to obtain anyone. in that case you stand pat with your prospects or sell.
I know we have to make some moves because of the 40 man roster, but I really don't want to move quality pieces to try and make a run. I'd rather hold on and see what those quality pieces can do here, even if it means bringing them up a bit before they were scheduled, like Frazier's recent call up.
Watching kids play gives you hope, and is so much more fun than saying goodbye to the kids and bringing in league average players. YES ratings are way up not just because we started out hot. Their up because people are excited to see the new talent come up to find out what they can do.
to hand the ball to Dietrich Enns and see if he can be the complete pitcher he was last year at the AAA level. No matter how minuscule his ERA is and how many wins he chalks up, he's never considered because his fast ball is only in the low 90's. But he's smart and has four quality pitches that he actually can control. Plus he is on the 40 man team so why bother protecting him if there are no plans to ever use him.
Last year he was 7-2 with an era of 1.52 in 14 AAA games. This year though, he is only 1-1 with an era of 1.93 in 5 games. Not sure if he's been injured or if they are only using him in relief instead of starting like last year.
Regardless, he's a pitcher, not a thrower, but these days, everyone seems to only want a flamethrower.
that being a starting pitcher is a very risky proposition. I'm not sure velocity is to blame as much as teams are better able to confirm what is going on inside the elbow.
When Bobby was the manager of the Red Sox,he told Andrew Miller to shorten his stride.Valentines suggestion transformed Millers career.Andrew was one of the most erratic pitchers in baseball,now he is a Hall of Fame caliber pitcher.A minor change made a major difference.He has extraordinary stuff,and exceptional control.
Andrew Miller gives Bobby Valentine credit for transforming his career.
Not sure why Frazier is sitting against a lefty. And welcome Garrett Cooper, who gets to play in a Yankees-Red Sox series in his first ever major league action. That means he'll either have a great series and become a cult hero, or completely flame out. Nothing in between.
Here’s a story for you to add to the legend that is Judge. Back when the engineers from Walter P. Moore were designing the retractable roof of Marlins Park, they set out to determine how high the roof would have to be so as not to interfere with balls in play. They studied the air density and temperatures of Miami and plugged those variables into equations from NASA. Then they wrote an algorithm “to generate a volumetric approximation of all the possible batted ball flight paths” and then applied it to their Building Information Modeling to determine the final geometry of the roof structure.
The engineers finally arrived at a height of 210 feet above the ground at its apex (above second base) to make sure no batted ball hit the roof. It tapered to a low of 128 feet above the ground in deep right-centerfield........
.....Then Judge showed up and hit the roof with a Home Run Derby blast. The Marlins estimated that it cleared one girder and smacked against another at a height off the ground of about 170 feet in deep left-centerfield. Think about that: about 17 stories high after traveling about 300 feet.
Still has top notch FB/CB combo. Hoping his new slider plays as his change of speed, 3rd pitch offering. Yanks must still believe in him as well, to an extent. We'll see on Sunday.
Here’s a story for you to add to the legend that is Judge. Back when the engineers from Walter P. Moore were designing the retractable roof of Marlins Park, they set out to determine how high the roof would have to be so as not to interfere with balls in play. They studied the air density and temperatures of Miami and plugged those variables into equations from NASA. Then they wrote an algorithm “to generate a volumetric approximation of all the possible batted ball flight paths” and then applied it to their Building Information Modeling to determine the final geometry of the roof structure.
The engineers finally arrived at a height of 210 feet above the ground at its apex (above second base) to make sure no batted ball hit the roof. It tapered to a low of 128 feet above the ground in deep right-centerfield........
.....Then Judge showed up and hit the roof with a Home Run Derby blast. The Marlins estimated that it cleared one girder and smacked against another at a height off the ground of about 170 feet in deep left-centerfield. Think about that: about 17 stories high after traveling about 300 feet.
Did hit a homer last game then that explains why he is not playing today, Joe benches you after you hit a homer. Of coarse I am being sarcastic, have to say that around here, but his lineups have been horrendous this year.
They made it a point for Romine to catch Monty each of his last 7 starts (to great results), but now they start him today when they easily could've moved him back to the doubleheader? Sanchez has solid SSS numbers against Pomeranz.
Gardner and Ellsbury also both have decent to good numbers versus Pomeranz. I'd still prefer Frazier at one of those spots, but that's probably why he went with those 2.
Kind of at a crossroads here. They could try to acquire pitching for a stretch run, but should they? Should they look to sell instead? Tough decision....I could see it going either way.
And, even if they do put Adams in the rotation now, there is going to be a problem late in the year because he is going to get shut down eventually. He was a reliever until last year and has never thrown more than 127 innings. He's already at 92 this year.
And, even if they do put Adams in the rotation now, there is going to be a problem late in the year because he is going to get shut down eventually. He was a reliever until last year and has never thrown more than 127 innings. He's already at 92 this year.
Yeah, for that reason I don't think they'll bring him up. I think alot will hinge on this series this weekend. If we lose ground, I think we'll conservatively sell / bring up from within. If we win 3 of 4 or sweep, I think they'll definitely go out and get a pitcher. Probably 2.
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
So, if that's the case, if you need to go out and replace Pineda on the trade market, that doesn't mean you need to go shopping at the top end of it. You can get a back end guy if you don't think you have an internal answer, and that will function as a like for like replacement.
Don't panic before the deadline. This team, if healthy, is good enough to make the playoffs as is. And Pineda doesn't really change that.
We're probably not ready to win a championship this year, but if we can get to the playoffs that's great. At the very least, it's a good experience for the young guys.
As an aside, I feel bad for Pineda, going into his walk year. He was inconsistent, but when he was good, he was very good. Sucks he never put it all together.
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but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
Yep. Sales' UCL will eventually go, too. Just a matter of time.
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Just want a solution that gets him on the field this year. He can't lose any more development time.
Uh, no.
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hopefully we can hold on to Big Mike and he can make his second comeback for us in 2019.
Uh, no.
Wishful thinking when I think it is safe to say he isn't going to pitch for us again.
You got to be kidding?
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hopefully we can hold on to Big Mike and he can make his second comeback for us in 2019.
Uh, no.
Wishful thinking when I think it is safe to say he isn't going to pitch for us again.
Nah. I'm okay with moving on.
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but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
Yep. Sales' UCL will eventually go, too. Just a matter of time.
I don't think Scherzer could have thrown any harder if he wanted to, same with Sale and all that herky - jerky motion for both of them.
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but something needs to be done with the UCLs tearing up like paper on a good percentage of players. Everybody over throwing to reach 95+ mph is likely the cause, but what is the answer?
During the AS game the other night the whole family was watching the first few innings. Its a miracle Sale and Scherzer's UCL's have not snapped already. I was backing it up and replaying as they pitched and FOX was showing it in slow motion. There is no way the elbow ligaments can tolerate being rotated at that torque and speed 100 times or more per game.
Bobby Valentine: There was a good interview early afternoon on WFAN with the former Mets' manager, during which the Pineda news came out. Valentine had some very interesting observations: The aggregate pitch count is being mis-used and mis-construed. 100 pitches as a target is ok over 7 innings, e.g., 15 pitches an inning. It's the 30-35 pitch inning that is killing pitchers' arms, in his view, and 105 innings including a 35-pitch inning is a very different, higher stress level on the elbow joint than a 110 pitch inning over 7 or 8.
His example was doing bench presses or curls @ a challenging weight: you might be able to do 5 sets of 10, with resting periods, but try doing TWO sets of 25, you'll strain the shit out of the pecs/biceps on the second set.
I had not heard that analysis before, but it makes some sense. Overall, it was a lively, entertaining interview, w/ Bobby V talking about a number of highlights, Clemens throwing bat at Piazza, how he had to stave off being fired (after his coaching staff was) by promising to go 40 - 15 down the stretch ('99?), other stuff. Smart guy.
So, if that's the case, if you need to go out and replace Pineda on the trade market, that doesn't mean you need to go shopping at the top end of it. You can get a back end guy if you don't think you have an internal answer, and that will function as a like for like replacement.
Don't panic before the deadline. This team, if healthy, is good enough to make the playoffs as is. And Pineda doesn't really change that.
We're probably not ready to win a championship this year, but if we can get to the playoffs that's great. At the very least, it's a good experience for the young guys.
As an aside, I feel bad for Pineda, going into his walk year. He was inconsistent, but when he was good, he was very good. Sucks he never put it all together.
Good riddance
I know we have to make some moves because of the 40 man roster, but I really don't want to move quality pieces to try and make a run. I'd rather hold on and see what those quality pieces can do here, even if it means bringing them up a bit before they were scheduled, like Frazier's recent call up.
Watching kids play gives you hope, and is so much more fun than saying goodbye to the kids and bringing in league average players. YES ratings are way up not just because we started out hot. Their up because people are excited to see the new talent come up to find out what they can do.
Last year he was 7-2 with an era of 1.52 in 14 AAA games. This year though, he is only 1-1 with an era of 1.93 in 5 games. Not sure if he's been injured or if they are only using him in relief instead of starting like last year.
Regardless, he's a pitcher, not a thrower, but these days, everyone seems to only want a flamethrower.
...the more you know...
Andrew Miller gives Bobby Valentine credit for transforming his career.
Sanchez 2
Judge 9
Holliday DH
Didi 6
Cooper 3
Ellsbury 8
Headley 5
Torreyes 4
Not sure why Frazier is sitting against a lefty. And welcome Garrett Cooper, who gets to play in a Yankees-Red Sox series in his first ever major league action. That means he'll either have a great series and become a cult hero, or completely flame out. Nothing in between.
The engineers finally arrived at a height of 210 feet above the ground at its apex (above second base) to make sure no batted ball hit the roof. It tapered to a low of 128 feet above the ground in deep right-centerfield........
.....Then Judge showed up and hit the roof with a Home Run Derby blast. The Marlins estimated that it cleared one girder and smacked against another at a height off the ground of about 170 feet in deep left-centerfield. Think about that: about 17 stories high after traveling about 300 feet.
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Here’s a story for you to add to the legend that is Judge. Back when the engineers from Walter P. Moore were designing the retractable roof of Marlins Park, they set out to determine how high the roof would have to be so as not to interfere with balls in play. They studied the air density and temperatures of Miami and plugged those variables into equations from NASA. Then they wrote an algorithm “to generate a volumetric approximation of all the possible batted ball flight paths” and then applied it to their Building Information Modeling to determine the final geometry of the roof structure.
The engineers finally arrived at a height of 210 feet above the ground at its apex (above second base) to make sure no batted ball hit the roof. It tapered to a low of 128 feet above the ground in deep right-centerfield........
.....Then Judge showed up and hit the roof with a Home Run Derby blast. The Marlins estimated that it cleared one girder and smacked against another at a height off the ground of about 170 feet in deep left-centerfield. Think about that: about 17 stories high after traveling about 300 feet.
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Ha - that is awesome!
I take your point on Frazier - but isn't Castro still re-habbing with Trenton? He was yesterday.
Gardner and Ellsbury also both have decent to good numbers versus Pomeranz. I'd still prefer Frazier at one of those spots, but that's probably why he went with those 2.