Might as well been a room full of Klansman. All that's different is the uniform.
I've always been of the belief that not ALL... or even most... cops are bad. But seeing something like this... happening in a room full of them at a party... this shakes that belief some.
Then some question why the slogan 'Black Lives Matter'. You wonder why? This is why. But I'm sure there's SOME excuse for it that someone will give me.
This is absolutely disgusting. And to see some guys walking out smiling... like they're at a fucking wedding reception... unbelievable.
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The bad apple spoils the bunch. That bunch was spoiled, eh?
Bone- I wouldn't let it get to you. People are idiots and assholes and follow more than they lead.
I do not doubt that there are people like this around the country.
On the other hand, people make money off of creating hysteria and faking things to get peoples blood to boil over.
This link is probably blood boiling "Fake News" propaganda that someone is making money off of. The website seems too slanted.
FWIW, I have cop friends who are nothing like that. One of them, a retired Irish MTA detective, is now an adjunct Professor of African American studies. After the Eric Garner incident, I asked him if police racism today was better or worse than when he started, back in the late 80's. He said - "Night and Day, not even close - back then, you still had the old guard, Vietnam Vets - horribly racist. These kids today, they just wanna hide in the car and collect a paycheck. Still racism, but nothing close to what it was back in the Koch/Dinkins days".
However, this is a slanted site. The guys in the despicable t shirts are wearing long sleeves, jeans and gloves. So it's not a recent picture seeing how we have been in a heat wave in the north east.
Sites like this seem like Infowars or Breitbart.
Definitely not condoning the shirts or their disgraceful actions. I just question the integrity of the site.
However, this is a slanted site. The guys in the despicable t shirts are wearing long sleeves, jeans and gloves. So it's not a recent picture seeing how we have been in a heat wave in the north east.
Sites like this seem like Infowars or Breitbart.
Definitely not condoning the shirts or their disgraceful actions. I just question the integrity of the site.
Plus the xmas wreath on the building in the back.
Looks like early December
A pox on both their houses.
A pox on both their houses.
I was thinking the same thing.
And yet I'm not seeing the same outrage from those that were outraged over some socks (that were almost as offensive).
Weird huh?
But since he was a 'thug' his death should be celebrated?
Yeah... that makes sense.
I just want to see the same thing you are.
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Every group has worthless pieces of shit that do stupid and/or horrific things. Assholes hiding behind slogans or blaming misdeeds of others as an excuse for horrid behavior.
"Can't we all just get along" has never been more valid than it is today in this fucked up society.
I just want to see the same thing you are.
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Yes sir it is.
And sorry to anyone (robbieballs) who had issues with the link. I tested it a few times and it worked each time for me.
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it...
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Exactly.
Everybody was getting rowdy around Christmas, weren't they?
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
Agree with your first paragraph... not so much with your second.
This is the first I've seen or heard about this. So the fact that it happened almost two and half years ago means there should be no outrage today when the video goes public?
Interesting thought process there.
So if I fucked your wife of 10 years, 5 years ago, and you found out about it today... you'd say 'Well... that happened five years ago... so no need to get upset about it now.'. For some reason I kind of doubt it.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
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is this the video? I don't see one on the page you linked.
I just want to see the same thing you are.
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Yes sir it is.
And sorry to anyone (robbieballs) who had issues with the link. I tested it a few times and it worked each time for me.
Yeah, not to the degree that Robbie did, but I had some technical issues with the link.
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because you don't like the allegation? Everything you don't like is "Fake news"? What if the LA Times reported it? Or the conservative Washington Times?
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
Agree with your first paragraph... not so much with your second.
This is the first I've seen or heard about this. So the fact that it happened almost two and half years ago means there should be no outrage today when the video goes public?
Interesting thought process there.
So if I fucked your wife of 10 years, 5 years ago, and you found out about it today... you'd say 'Well... that happened five years ago... so no need to get upset about it now.'. For some reason I kind of doubt it.
Yikes.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Agree on both points.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
+1
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Well said Greg.
shirts are completely different, not saying I support them, but the part of the shirts that is missing from these pictures is "...because of NYPD". If you remember a lot of people wore "I can't breathe" shirts as a form of police brutality protest, and in the quote below you will see that list including Lebron James and President Obama applauded him for it.
when activism gets spread that far and wide it reaches a fever pitch and it feels like you are convicting all of the target group, so people who support the police felt compelled to show their support, so to counter the "I can't breathe" shirts they created the "I can breathe, because of NYPD" shirts.
I think it was a bad idea, and insensitive, but I don't believe the intent was to mock Garner or support police brutality, simply to say not all cops are bad.
I think that's the problem with a site like that, is they only want to highlight the poor taste, not the connect with the intent which for some people at least lessens, but doesn't excuse, the insensitivity.
there was also a guy in Indiana who created shirts that were similar and similarly distasteful that said:
The shirts, produced by Corporal Jason Barthel of the City of Mishawaka Police in Indiana, bear the slogan “Breathe Easy: Don’t break the law” and were sold for $7.95 online.
Mr. Barthel, who also owns and operates the South Bend Uniform Company, wrote on the company’s Facebook page that outrage sparked by the t-shirts was misplaced.
“For those upset, please understand when we use the slogan ‘Breathe Easy’ we are referring to knowing the police are there for you!” Mr. Barthel wrote.
“We are one people, one nation regardless of race, religion, creed or gender. We are all in this together. The police are here to protect and serve. 99.9 percent of us have the greater good in our hearts each time we strap on our uniforms and duty belts,” Mr. Barthel continued.
“We are all one people and this is by no means is a slam on Eric Garner or his family, God rest his soul. Lets all band together as AMERICANS regardless of our feelings and know we can and will be better! Thank you for your support.”
The “I can’t breathe” slogan has spread rapidly among protesters and several celebrities, including basketball star LeBron James.
In an interview published Friday, President Obama told People magazine that the basketball player “did the right thing” by wearing the shirt during warm-ups for a December 8 NBA game."
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Breathe in through the nose, out through the mouth...
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because you don't like the allegation? Everything you don't like is "Fake news"? What if the LA Times reported it? Or the conservative Washington Times?
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
Agree with your first paragraph... not so much with your second.
This is the first I've seen or heard about this. So the fact that it happened almost two and half years ago means there should be no outrage today when the video goes public?
Interesting thought process there.
So if I fucked your wife of 10 years, 5 years ago, and you found out about it today... you'd say 'Well... that happened five years ago... so no need to get upset about it now.'. For some reason I kind of doubt it.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Precisely.
It's not like the kid went on a shooting spree and killed dozens of innocent people in the street or caused major heartache to anyone or group of people. This was a kid who made some bad choices and paid the ultimate price for those choices. To celebrate his death as if he was Hitler or Osama Bin Laden... just doesn't make any sense. And anyone trying to defend it doesn't make much more sense to me either.
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
In today's day and age you have to check sources. People can make real good videos with relative ease these days for the purpose of stirring the pot and making money from the stir.
That being said. Thank you for providing better sources. These guys are scumbags.
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because you don't like the allegation? Everything you don't like is "Fake news"? What if the LA Times reported it? Or the conservative Washington Times?
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
Agree with your first paragraph... not so much with your second.
This is the first I've seen or heard about this. So the fact that it happened almost two and half years ago means there should be no outrage today when the video goes public?
Interesting thought process there.
So if I fucked your wife of 10 years, 5 years ago, and you found out about it today... you'd say 'Well... that happened five years ago... so no need to get upset about it now.'. For some reason I kind of doubt it.
Much better. Thank you.
And know that my 'wife' analogy above was purely hypothetical and was not meant to offend you, your wife (if you have one) or your family. I was simply trying to make a point.
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T-Bone - I sincerely believe it's your prerogative to get as angry as you like about whatever topics you like, regardless of when you think the video was released. Better?
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because you don't like the allegation? Everything you don't like is "Fake news"? What if the LA Times reported it? Or the conservative Washington Times?
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
Agree with your first paragraph... not so much with your second.
This is the first I've seen or heard about this. So the fact that it happened almost two and half years ago means there should be no outrage today when the video goes public?
Interesting thought process there.
So if I fucked your wife of 10 years, 5 years ago, and you found out about it today... you'd say 'Well... that happened five years ago... so no need to get upset about it now.'. For some reason I kind of doubt it.
Much better. Thank you.
And know that my 'wife' analogy above was purely hypothetical and was not meant to offend you, your wife (if you have one) or your family. I was simply trying to make a point.
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because you don't like the allegation? Everything you don't like is "Fake news"? What if the LA Times reported it? Or the conservative Washington Times?
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
Agree with your first paragraph... not so much with your second.
This is the first I've seen or heard about this. So the fact that it happened almost two and half years ago means there should be no outrage today when the video goes public?
Interesting thought process there.
So if I ........ you'd say 'Well... that happened five years ago... so no need to get upset about it now.'. For some reason I kind of doubt it.
T-Bone I have a lot of respect for you, and you have long ago proved to be undoubtedly classy so I contribute it to the heat of the topic, but I do think you could have made your point without being disrespectful to another posters family.
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because you don't like the allegation? Everything you don't like is "Fake news"? What if the LA Times reported it? Or the conservative Washington Times?
BTW, this story is from December 2014, so seems a little late to be getting up-in-arms about it... LAPD investigates Michael Brown parody at retired cop's party - ( New Window )
Agree with your first paragraph... not so much with your second.
This is the first I've seen or heard about this. So the fact that it happened almost two and half years ago means there should be no outrage today when the video goes public?
Interesting thought process there.
So if I ........ you'd say 'Well... that happened five years ago... so no need to get upset about it now.'. For some reason I kind of doubt it.
T-Bone I have a lot of respect for you, and you have long ago proved to be undoubtedly classy so I contribute it to the heat of the topic, but I do think you could have made your point without being disrespectful to another posters family.
Again, I was making a point and wasn't referring to his family. But even if he took it the correct way, I realized that the way it could've been perceived was wrong and yes, was said while I was still literally shaking about what I'd just posted (and a few of the comments on this thread). So I cleared up the intent of my post and apologized to him regardless.
Thanks though.
Would any self-respecting professional be caught dead at some event that mocks the killing of another human being?
How do you think cops in NY felt last week when one of their own was shot point blank in the head? You think something like that is easy to deal with and doesnt shake their beliefs?
Yea, I guess it's easy for you to look at an online video highlight of a group of asshole cops somewhere acting like idiots.
Probably harder for you to imagine that their job is real, life and death judgement every day. Responsibility for the lives of the general public and making it home to their own lives.
There are asshole people in all walks of life. You can protest whatever injustice you want to protest all day long. That's never changing that fact.
Would any self-respecting professional be caught dead at some event that mocks the killing of another human being?
Agree with part of your post, I wish the cops would police themselves (pun intended), every one of these incidents I feel like it's ten steps back for everyone one step forward. for every ten good things law enforcement does they get ignored or become irrelevant for everyone incidents like this or worse an incident like Garner's death.
but from the sounds of it the event was a retirement party for a retiring LAPD officer, I'm not sure the music selection was shared in advance or that every person in attendance was even paying attention to the singer or the words of the song. but that doesn't stop people from condemning them all or all police because of it.
No problem. You were right.
How do you think cops in NY felt last week when one of their own was shot point blank in the head? You think something like that is easy to deal with and doesnt shake their beliefs?
I'm curious. How come incidents like this aren't cited when it comes to shaking beliefs
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How do you think cops in NY felt last week when one of their own was shot point blank in the head? You think something like that is easy to deal with and doesnt shake their beliefs?
Yea, I guess it's easy for you to look at an online video highlight of a group of asshole cops somewhere acting like idiots.
Probably harder for you to imagine that their job is real, life and death judgement every day. Responsibility for the lives of the general public and making it home to their own lives.
There are asshole people in all walks of life. You can protest whatever injustice you want to protest all day long. That's never changing that fact.
Chris, a cop's job is hard, and there should be empathy from all parties towards all parties. The folks in this video are doing a little more than acting like idiots.
How do you think cops in NY felt last week when one of their own was shot point blank in the head? You think something like that is easy to deal with and doesnt shake their beliefs?
Yea, I guess it's easy for you to look at an online video highlight of a group of asshole cops somewhere acting like idiots.
Probably harder for you to imagine that their job is real, life and death judgement every day. Responsibility for the lives of the general public and making it home to their own lives.
There are asshole people in all walks of life. You can protest whatever injustice you want to protest all day long. That's never changing that fact.
I said it shakes my belief 'SOME'. Sorry... but seeing one, two or a few cops acting like assholes... understood. Seeing a fucking whole banquet hall enjoying a song about a man being killed... eh, that one's a little hard to swallow.
I bet those cops felt like shit. And if a video came up with some assholes celebrating and singing 'Yeah... that cop sat in the wrong car... and got shot in the head... and so she won't be going home tonight... cuz she's DEAD! LOL!' it would piss me off and I'm sure piss you off as well. And yet... when it's in reverse, you'd rather focus on the site it's posted on.
Why?
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How do you think cops in NY felt last week when one of their own was shot point blank in the head? You think something like that is easy to deal with and doesnt shake their beliefs?
I'm curious. How come incidents like this aren't cited when it comes to shaking beliefs Link - ( New Window )
I'll give you one possible explanation. I've talked to a few cops over the years and heard some interviews where the same thing gets said, domestic violence cases are a special kind of crazy. That about the only thing that scared the cops more was an active shooter situation.
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How do you think cops in NY felt last week when one of their own was shot point blank in the head? You think something like that is easy to deal with and doesnt shake their beliefs?
I'm curious. How come incidents like this aren't cited when it comes to shaking beliefs Link - ( New Window )
Semi - was that directed to me? If so, I'll be glad to share my opinion.
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Gotcha.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
You see what's really troubling the African American community's and it's pretty clear.
why post this? Are you intent on taking a trip down memory lane revisiting every atrocity committed by every person ever? This incident was from May 2014, the video from December 2015. can we not move on from anything?
maybe throw a Trayvon Martin video on here. I can see how that would help.
How do you think cops in NY felt last week when one of their own was shot point blank in the head? You think something like that is easy to deal with and doesnt shake their beliefs?
Yea, I guess it's easy for you to look at an online video highlight of a group of asshole cops somewhere acting like idiots.
Probably harder for you to imagine that their job is real, life and death judgement every day. Responsibility for the lives of the general public and making it home to their own lives.
There are asshole people in all walks of life. You can protest whatever injustice you want to protest all day long. That's never changing that fact.
You know what's probably harder for you to imagine? A fucking sense of decency, empathy, and knowing what extra hoops POC have to jump through when it comes to interactions with the cops.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
How about you shut the fuck up for once? You have the most retarded takes, go back to dreaming about what holes Aaron Rodgers sticks it in.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
Yeah... let's keep our heads in the sand and pretend this stuff doesn't happen!
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It's a never ending cycle.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
How about you shut the fuck up for once? You have the most retarded takes, go back to dreaming about what holes Aaron Rodgers sticks it in.
Aaaaaand......right on cue.
1. I haven't posted in a while
2. Stop stalking me.
3. "Retarded" is probably one of the most offensive terms to use nowadays. Not very nice for an enlightened liberal like yourself to throw that term around.
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It's a never ending cycle.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
Yeah... let's keep our heads in the sand and pretend this stuff doesn't happen!
I never said that. It does happen. Every day. It's wrong.
But violence is not restricted to one race. I hate that. Police brutality against blacks gets publicized by the media incessantly to fuel a narrative. Police brutality happens every day, across all colors, races and religions. Just like racism is a part of our daily lives, from ALL races.
My point is that the narrative should be that Police should not be beating up or killing ANYONE unless necessary.
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It's a never ending cycle.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
Yeah... let's keep our heads in the sand and pretend this stuff doesn't happen!
I never said that. It does happen. Every day. It's wrong.
But violence is not restricted to one race. I hate that. Police brutality against blacks gets publicized by the media incessantly to fuel a narrative. Police brutality happens every day, across all colors, races and religions. Just like racism is a part of our daily lives, from ALL races.
My point is that the narrative should be that Police should not be beating up or killing ANYONE unless necessary.
Agree 100% with your last sentence.
Everything you said before is YOU introducing the racial aspect of this. Nowhere did I mention the race of any of the individuals involved here.
You did.
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That's fucked up too.
And?
Or you can.
I'm really not sure what your point is.
One child versus a group chanting and celebrating someone's death. Go crawl back under the bridge you came from.
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about how 16 year old children in this country are shitting on the memory of slain police officers DURING their funerals.
One child versus a group chanting and celebrating someone's death. Go crawl back under the bridge you came from.
Naw... let him keep going. Evidently he's upset when cops get killed and people celebrate but if it's the reverse there's an issue. I'm trying to figure out what that is.
But certainly, racial tensions have increased dramatically over the past 8 years.
It is sad as I feel actual bigotry is not as bad as it seems. Police brutality is far less other eras ....but belief trumps proof.
And many believe that its as bad as ever.
If the audience seems to be enjoying said disgustingly, bad taste parody... I'd think it would imply plenty... and very little of it good... well, unless you're into what's being sung anyway...
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about how 16 year old children in this country are shitting on the memory of slain police officers DURING their funerals.
One child versus a group chanting and celebrating someone's death. Go crawl back under the bridge you came from.
Naw... let him keep going. Evidently he's upset when cops get killed and people celebrate but if it's the reverse there's an issue. I'm trying to figure out what that is.
Bad shit indeed. However, I'm sure there's somebody celebrating that young officer sitting in her truck with her brains splashed all over her partner. Moral outrage should go both ways
this is what happens when cops get away with murder ... literally, like they apparently did with this kid's relatives
dare I say, "fuck tha police" is sometimes warranted.
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about how 16 year old children in this country are shitting on the memory of slain police officers DURING their funerals.
One child versus a group chanting and celebrating someone's death. Go crawl back under the bridge you came from.
Naw... let him keep going. Evidently he's upset when cops get killed and people celebrate but if it's the reverse there's an issue. I'm trying to figure out what that is.
Bad shit indeed. However, I'm sure there's somebody celebrating that young officer sitting in her truck with her brains splashed all over her partner. Moral outrage should go both ways
And they're assholes too. Never said anything different.
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about how 16 year old children in this country are shitting on the memory of slain police officers DURING their funerals.
One child versus a group chanting and celebrating someone's death. Go crawl back under the bridge you came from.
Naw... let him keep going. Evidently he's upset when cops get killed and people celebrate but if it's the reverse there's an issue. I'm trying to figure out what that is.
Bad shit indeed. However, I'm sure there's somebody celebrating that young officer sitting in her truck with her brains splashed all over her partner. Moral outrage should go both ways
Such a dumb straw man. then again, knowing what your last handle was, I'm not surprised.
George from PA said racial tensions have gotten worse over the last 8 years? I'd bet tensions have actually gotten better. This latest generation seems more tolerant and open minded. Actually the generations have been progressing with every passing group.
I didn't click any of the links. I'm sure they are awful.
Ultimately cops come from all backgrounds white black asian Jewish etc. tgere are amazing cops like the Arizona one who took in and raised a troubled teen even though he already had two young kids and there are sick fcks like in that video. Most are good people just trying to keep their community safe and healthy.
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that's the point!!!
But since he was a 'thug' his death should be celebrated?
Yeah... that makes sense.
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enlightened liberal is an oxymoron or in BBi terminology moran
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It's a never ending cycle.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
How about you shut the fuck up for once? You have the most retarded takes, go back to dreaming about what holes Aaron Rodgers sticks it in.
Aaaaaand......right on cue.
1. I haven't posted in a while
2. Stop stalking me.
3. "Retarded" is probably one of the most offensive terms to use nowadays. Not very nice for an enlightened liberal like yourself to throw that term around.
The video shows exactly ONE individual smiling as he walks out of the room where the song is being played. There are others sitting at a table in the background but I couldn't make much of their behavior from the film. The guy walking out of the room could literally be smiling about having just seen someone he hadn't seen since he retired. He may not have even been aware of the song in the background.
What I don't see is a group huddled and clapping or nodding in agreement with the lyrics. There is no justification for the lyrics so please don't misinterpret that I'm trying to justify them. The song sucks but I don't see these people celebrating the song itself. They may have been but I just don't see it in the video.
not only is this comment disgusting, it is just non-sense race agitation.
So they believe that Michael Brown tried to grab a cop's gun (in order to kill the cop) and this guy gets shot. Then the entire lie of hands up don't shoot, CNN, etc....
so they are having fun at his expense for being a dip shit at a private party? If someone tried to kill anybody I know I'd be happy they were dead and couldn't harm anybody else. I wouldn't sing about it, but I wouldn't cry about it either.
Are the black cops Klansman too or any black person who paid more attention to the details then the fake news?
People still want Zimmerman dead and the details strongly point to a justified shooting.
not only is this comment disgusting, it is just non-sense race agitation.
So they believe that Michael Brown tried to grab a cop's gun (in order to kill the cop) and this guy gets shot. Then the entire lie of hands up don't shoot, CNN, etc....
so they are having fun at his expense for being a dip shit at a private party? If someone tried to kill anybody I know I'd be happy they were dead and couldn't harm anybody else. I wouldn't sing about it, but I wouldn't cry about it either.
Are the black cops Klansman too or any black person who paid more attention to the details then the fake news?
People still want Zimmerman dead and the details strongly point to a justified shooting.
T Bone has been a poster on this site for many years. He is a liked and respected poster. He's far from fake news whatever that is supposed to mean. Who the hell are you? I've never seen you post before.
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"Might as well been a room full of Klansman. All that's different is the uniform."
not only is this comment disgusting, it is just non-sense race agitation.
So they believe that Michael Brown tried to grab a cop's gun (in order to kill the cop) and this guy gets shot. Then the entire lie of hands up don't shoot, CNN, etc....
so they are having fun at his expense for being a dip shit at a private party? If someone tried to kill anybody I know I'd be happy they were dead and couldn't harm anybody else. I wouldn't sing about it, but I wouldn't cry about it either.
Are the black cops Klansman too or any black person who paid more attention to the details then the fake news?
People still want Zimmerman dead and the details strongly point to a justified shooting.
cops should not be laughing while singing racist songs that mock the death of a teenager. You clearly didn't watch the video
T Bone has been a poster on this site for many years. He is a liked and respected poster. He's far from fake news whatever that is supposed to mean. Who the hell are you? I've never seen you post before.
Thanks Les but please don't waste your time or breath. This is one poster who's constantly proven that he will find a way to excuse just about any and every action taken by the LE. His post above should tell you all you need to know.
I get it (for like the fifth time on this thread), and have already stated that it goes both ways... but if you started a thread with that video there would be NO ONE that would try to justify it... call it 'Fake News'... or imply that it's ok that they sing a song like that just a few months after the kid was killed. Not. One. Person. But since it's the other way around... well, look at this thread and you'll see why this kind of disgusting behavior will probably never end... because it's always excused away. Every single time. It's why it will continue to happen. They're no better than the mother who constantly says 'Not my boy! He's a good boy!' when her son commits a crime.
We're constantly asked to not see LE officials as just 'cops' but as people... who 'want to go home and see their families'. Always trying to kind of humanize police officers so that we see them as heros and men and women of upstanding character. You tell me who are the animals after seeing that video.
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It's a never ending cycle.
On ANY Given Day:
Muslims get mugged by whites
Blacks sing racist songs about whites
Whites bash Muslims over the head.
You think calling attention to this stuff is being enlightened but it's just furthering a bullshit narrative of race relations.
Assholes come in all colors, shapes, professions and sizes. Can't we leave it at that?
The victimization has to end at some point doesn't it?
Yeah... let's keep our heads in the sand and pretend this stuff doesn't happen!
I never said that. It does happen. Every day. It's wrong.
But violence is not restricted to one race. I hate that. Police brutality against blacks gets publicized by the media incessantly to fuel a narrative. Police brutality happens every day, across all colors, races and religions. Just like racism is a part of our daily lives, from ALL races.
My point is that the narrative should be that Police should not be beating up or killing ANYONE unless necessary.
Agree 100% with your last sentence.
Everything you said before is YOU introducing the racial aspect of this. Nowhere did I mention the race of any of the individuals involved here.
You did.
The 7th word of your post is "Klansmen".
I am on your team on this one. It is ridiculous that police are mocking the death of someone killed in their line of work.
I just think that to really improve race relations we need to stop victimizing one group. Everyone likes to play the victim nowadays. Let's work to stop senseless killing altogether.
not only is this comment disgusting, it is just non-sense race agitation.
So they believe that Michael Brown tried to grab a cop's gun (in order to kill the cop) and this guy gets shot. Then the entire lie of hands up don't shoot, CNN, etc....
so they are having fun at his expense for being a dip shit at a private party? If someone tried to kill anybody I know I'd be happy they were dead and couldn't harm anybody else. I wouldn't sing about it, but I wouldn't cry about it either.
Are the black cops Klansman too or any black person who paid more attention to the details then the fake news?
People still want Zimmerman dead and the details strongly point to a justified shooting.
So, once again, you have zero credibility and are utterly predictable
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or even that his death wasn't justified, to find that video disgusting. I shed no particular tears for Michael Brown but cmon - singing a song like that amid gales of stupid laughter is just sick.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Precisely.
It's not like the kid went on a shooting spree and killed dozens of innocent people in the street or caused major heartache to anyone or group of people. This was a kid who made some bad choices and paid the ultimate price for those choices. To celebrate his death as if he was Hitler or Osama Bin Laden... just doesn't make any sense. And anyone trying to defend it doesn't make much more sense to me either.
Are you talking about Michael Brown? Bad choices? He tried to take a police officers gun. He attcked a police officer. You're outraged by this video (i think they are stupid for participating in the song and the person who wrote it is an idiot, but it isnt an indictment on all cops) but what Michael Brown did was just make some bad choices? Lol
The people in the video made bad choices.
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
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or even that his death wasn't justified, to find that video disgusting. I shed no particular tears for Michael Brown but cmon - singing a song like that amid gales of stupid laughter is just sick.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Precisely.
It's not like the kid went on a shooting spree and killed dozens of innocent people in the street or caused major heartache to anyone or group of people. This was a kid who made some bad choices and paid the ultimate price for those choices. To celebrate his death as if he was Hitler or Osama Bin Laden... just doesn't make any sense. And anyone trying to defend it doesn't make much more sense to me either.
Are you talking about Michael Brown? Bad choices? He tried to take a police officers gun. He attcked a police officer. You're outraged by this video (i think they are stupid for participating in the song and the person who wrote it is an idiot, but it isnt an indictment on all cops) but what Michael Brown did was just make some bad choices? Lol
The people in the video made bad choices.
And here's the other Les.
As if him allegedly trying to take the cop's gun wasn't a 'choice' he made... it HAS to be something else... something more... sinister I'm guessing.
And it isn't an indictment on all cops... just the ones (of which there were more than a few) that were there enjoying the entertainment. But please... continue to defend disgusting and wrong behavior... it's what some folks in this country have made a habit of doing it seems.
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Here ya go T. 2014.
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The fact that he'd think that is enough.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
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or even that his death wasn't justified, to find that video disgusting. I shed no particular tears for Michael Brown but cmon - singing a song like that amid gales of stupid laughter is just sick.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Precisely.
It's not like the kid went on a shooting spree and killed dozens of innocent people in the street or caused major heartache to anyone or group of people. This was a kid who made some bad choices and paid the ultimate price for those choices. To celebrate his death as if he was Hitler or Osama Bin Laden... just doesn't make any sense. And anyone trying to defend it doesn't make much more sense to me either.
Are you talking about Michael Brown? Bad choices? He tried to take a police officers gun. He attcked a police officer. You're outraged by this video (i think they are stupid for participating in the song and the person who wrote it is an idiot, but it isnt an indictment on all cops) but what Michael Brown did was just make some bad choices? Lol
The people in the video made bad choices.
And here's the other Les.
As if him allegedly trying to take the cop's gun wasn't a 'choice' he made... it HAS to be something else... something more... sinister I'm guessing.
And it isn't an indictment on all cops... just the ones (of which there were more than a few) that were there enjoying the entertainment. But please... continue to defend disgusting and wrong behavior... it's what some folks in this country have made a habit of doing it seems.
My point was that trying to murder a police officer is worse than a "bad choice".
Where did i defend anything?
How do you know how many people playing and singing along are cops?
- The high IQ leaders in groups are best served ignoring the desire of low IQ agitators when trying to solve problems
- Just listen when someone has a gun on you, and figure out the fairness after
- Instigating a problem and then having to defend yourself with violence is indefensible
- The bravery of law enforcement is measured in the face of danger and in confronting unfairness no matter the culprit
Regardless of who was enjoying or not enjoying it, I don't see anyone putting a stop to it - and whether they are current or former law enforcement - doesn't really matter. Everyone in that video is a grade A coward and doesn't strike as the type who are part of the solution.
- The high IQ leaders in groups are best served ignoring the desire of low IQ agitators when trying to solve problems
- Just listen when someone has a gun on you, and figure out the fairness after
- Instigating a problem and then having to defend yourself with violence is indefensible
- The bravery of law enforcement is measured in the face of danger and in confronting unfairness no matter the culprit
Regardless of who was enjoying or not enjoying it, I don't see anyone putting a stop to it - and whether they are current or former law enforcement - doesn't really matter. Everyone in that video is a grade A coward and doesn't strike as the type who are part of the solution.
It does matter who is in the video since the OP is using it as a way to judge police in general.
"I've always been of the belief that not ALL... or even most... cops are bad. But seeing something like this... happening in a room full of them at a party... this shakes that belief some."
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
Figured you'd think a site like TMZ was a 'reliable source'. Who knew?
The number of cops who may or may not have been there? Thanks I guess. Really the only pertinent piece of information you gave is that the singer of the song thought that it would've been appropriate to sing at a retiree's party... no matter how many cops were in the room. The fact he could think that beforehand should tell you all you need to know about the character of the people he was expecting to perform in front of... but I'm sure you'll excuse that (or yes, downplay, that too).
And yes... I'm not interested in discussing this with you as I already know it's pointless.
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or even that his death wasn't justified, to find that video disgusting. I shed no particular tears for Michael Brown but cmon - singing a song like that amid gales of stupid laughter is just sick.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Precisely.
It's not like the kid went on a shooting spree and killed dozens of innocent people in the street or caused major heartache to anyone or group of people. This was a kid who made some bad choices and paid the ultimate price for those choices. To celebrate his death as if he was Hitler or Osama Bin Laden... just doesn't make any sense. And anyone trying to defend it doesn't make much more sense to me either.
Are you talking about Michael Brown? Bad choices? He tried to take a police officers gun. He attcked a police officer. You're outraged by this video (i think they are stupid for participating in the song and the person who wrote it is an idiot, but it isnt an indictment on all cops) but what Michael Brown did was just make some bad choices? Lol
The people in the video made bad choices.
And here's the other Les.
As if him allegedly trying to take the cop's gun wasn't a 'choice' he made... it HAS to be something else... something more... sinister I'm guessing.
And it isn't an indictment on all cops... just the ones (of which there were more than a few) that were there enjoying the entertainment. But please... continue to defend disgusting and wrong behavior... it's what some folks in this country have made a habit of doing it seems.
My point was that trying to murder a police officer is worse than a "bad choice".
Where did i defend anything?
How do you know how many people playing and singing along are cops?
Yeah... he made a bad choice to try to allegedly kill the cop. Still have no idea what you're trying to say.
Don't feel like getting into it.
I can clearly see and hear laughter and not one bit of yelling nor booing and that video last more than a minute. If anyone wasn't enjoying the song I'd think you'd at least hear SOME booing and pissed off patrons. But no... you see one guy with a big ass smile on his face walking in. At some point common sense should kick in here...
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This topic always brings me back to wise thoughts I've heard from other and some of my own thinking in no particular order.
- The high IQ leaders in groups are best served ignoring the desire of low IQ agitators when trying to solve problems
- Just listen when someone has a gun on you, and figure out the fairness after
- Instigating a problem and then having to defend yourself with violence is indefensible
- The bravery of law enforcement is measured in the face of danger and in confronting unfairness no matter the culprit
Regardless of who was enjoying or not enjoying it, I don't see anyone putting a stop to it - and whether they are current or former law enforcement - doesn't really matter. Everyone in that video is a grade A coward and doesn't strike as the type who are part of the solution.
It does matter who is in the video since the OP is using it as a way to judge police in general.
"I've always been of the belief that not ALL... or even most... cops are bad. But seeing something like this... happening in a room full of them at a party... this shakes that belief some."
Again... one or two cops... ok, a few bad apples,
At least over 30? That's a problem.
Instead of being mad at me why isn't you anger directed at the song, songwriter and those in the crowd? You appear to be bothered more by what's been shown to light than what that light showed... why?
I do not, unlike Christian above, pretend I have the ability to see into people's hearts and guess their intent or character.
the song was awful, anyone writing it, singing it, laughing at it or ok with it deserves your wrath, but I'm not willing to sit in judgment on everyone in attendance and see into their hearts.
and I feel like I'm consistent with that regardless of circumstances. I just don't judge people unless I know for sure, and you probably notice I'm especially sensitive on race issues and people being branded racist, I grew up in the projects most of my life raised by a single mother, and there was racial tension daily and I just feel like being called a racist or a bigot is impossible to defend, and it's a devastating accusation to make about someone without knowing what's in their heart.
but I support and respect your opinion, you've walked your whole life in shoes I never did, so I like your posts, your perspective and appreciate your willingness to provide them on here even with the occasional disagreements you face.
I do not, unlike Christian above, pretend I have the ability to see into people's hearts and guess their intent or character.
I'm willing to concede, sure, in a social, loud setting chances are some folks might not be making out what's being said.
For those who can, especially those in the video enjoying it, I don't need a preternatural ability to look into someone's heart to know it's gross at best to sit back at a police officer's retirment party and revel in a song about a controversial killing.
I do not, unlike Christian above, pretend I have the ability to see into people's hearts and guess their intent or character.
the song was awful, anyone writing it, singing it, laughing at it or ok with it deserves your wrath, but I'm not willing to sit in judgment on everyone in attendance and see into their hearts.
and I feel like I'm consistent with that regardless of circumstances. I just don't judge people unless I know for sure, and you probably notice I'm especially sensitive on race issues and people being branded racist, I grew up in the projects most of my life raised by a single mother, and there was racial tension daily and I just feel like being called a racist or a bigot is impossible to defend, and it's a devastating accusation to make about someone without knowing what's in their heart.
but I support and respect your opinion, you've walked your whole life in shoes I never did, so I like your posts, your perspective and appreciate your willingness to provide them on here even with the occasional disagreements you face.
Honestly pj... this isn't about walking in my shoes. This is just wrong on a basic fucked up level. Ok... it's been determined in a court of law that the officer was right to shoot and kill Brown. Period. That's been acknowledged. But here it is... just a few months afterwards... and this guy doesn't just make up this song but admits to thinking the crowd would enjoy it... and it APPEARS he was correct. I don't see anyone angry... save for the person who videotaped it supposedly.
I don't have much else to say. It doesn't matter the race of the guy he's singing about. Even if he was white or Hispanic it would be fucked up. Anyway,, I'm done.
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I do not, unlike Christian above, pretend I have the ability to see into people's hearts and guess their intent or character.
I'm willing to concede, sure, in a social, loud setting chances are some folks might not be making out what's being said.
For those who can, especially those in the video enjoying it, I don't need a preternatural ability to look into someone's heart to know it's gross at best to sit back at a police officer's retirment party and revel in a song about a controversial killing.
Maybe I watched a different video, I see one man walking out of the hall after what appears to be a conversation and he's smiling, I assume he was smiling based on his conversation that I will not pretend to know the context of, did he say "isn't this song awesome?" maybe, but maybe he said "that chick is so fat" and thought that was funny, how the F do I know the context of why he's smiling, but he was clearly talking to someone before leaving the room, that's the only one I see even smiling in the entire video, the rest of the video mostly shows the carpet, I cannot watch that video and I've watched it tons of times and say I see tons of people (or even any people) laughing, dancing, and singing about an offensive song, akin to a Klan rally.
that's the leap I'm not making.
It was an offensive song, the singer should bear the brunt of the offended, the organizer of the party should maybe bear some responsibility for having a racist singer, but I don't know how you convict everyone else in the room.
linked is the only video I've seen, so if there are others that show people yucking it up, please link them. We're not looking at the same thing.
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I'm ready to move on. As was said earlier, it happened years ago and my initial shock and anger has worn off. I've said all I can at this point.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
Figured you'd think a site like TMZ was a 'reliable source'. Who knew?
The number of cops who may or may not have been there? Thanks I guess. Really the only pertinent piece of information you gave is that the singer of the song thought that it would've been appropriate to sing at a retiree's party... no matter how many cops were in the room. The fact he could think that beforehand should tell you all you need to know about the character of the people he was expecting to perform in front of... but I'm sure you'll excuse that (or yes, downplay, that too).
And yes... I'm not interested in discussing this with you as I already know it's pointless.
Was the guy singing a police officer? I don't know. I don't know how many were police officers. I know most people there that had ties to law enfor ement are retired and no longer police.
What have i downplayed? Ive provided more information since you're using this as an excuse to judge police as a whole. This is a video almost 3 years old, and you don't have a clue who is or isnt a cop in the video since most people at the party were not cops.
You dont like it when another perspective, or facts, get in the way of a good anti cop thread.
The video shows exactly ONE individual smiling as he walks out of the room where the song is being played. There are others sitting at a table in the background but I couldn't make much of their behavior from the film. The guy walking out of the room could literally be smiling about having just seen someone he hadn't seen since he retired. He may not have even been aware of the song in the background.
What I don't see is a group huddled and clapping or nodding in agreement with the lyrics. There is no justification for the lyrics so please don't misinterpret that I'm trying to justify them. The song sucks but I don't see these people celebrating the song itself. They may have been but I just don't see it in the video.
Agreed. But dont let that stop anyone from assuming everyone in the building is a cop, they were all listening to the lyrics and they all agreed with it.
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or even that his death wasn't justified, to find that video disgusting. I shed no particular tears for Michael Brown but cmon - singing a song like that amid gales of stupid laughter is just sick.
The grinning shitheads in the "I Can Breathe" shirts are even more disgusting.
Precisely.
It's not like the kid went on a shooting spree and killed dozens of innocent people in the street or caused major heartache to anyone or group of people. This was a kid who made some bad choices and paid the ultimate price for those choices. To celebrate his death as if he was Hitler or Osama Bin Laden... just doesn't make any sense. And anyone trying to defend it doesn't make much more sense to me either.
Are you talking about Michael Brown? Bad choices? He tried to take a police officers gun. He attcked a police officer. You're outraged by this video (i think they are stupid for participating in the song and the person who wrote it is an idiot, but it isnt an indictment on all cops) but what Michael Brown did was just make some bad choices? Lol
The people in the video made bad choices.
And here's the other Les.
As if him allegedly trying to take the cop's gun wasn't a 'choice' he made... it HAS to be something else... something more... sinister I'm guessing.
And it isn't an indictment on all cops... just the ones (of which there were more than a few) that were there enjoying the entertainment. But please... continue to defend disgusting and wrong behavior... it's what some folks in this country have made a habit of doing it seems.
My point was that trying to murder a police officer is worse than a "bad choice".
Where did i defend anything?
How do you know how many people playing and singing along are cops?
Yeah... he made a bad choice to try to allegedly kill the cop. Still have no idea what you're trying to say.
Don't feel like getting into it.
I can clearly see and hear laughter and not one bit of yelling nor booing and that video last more than a minute. If anyone wasn't enjoying the song I'd think you'd at least hear SOME booing and pissed off patrons. But no... you see one guy with a big ass smile on his face walking in. At some point common sense should kick in here...
So you think one video showing the reaction of one person is enough to judge everyone in attendance?
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This topic always brings me back to wise thoughts I've heard from other and some of my own thinking in no particular order.
- The high IQ leaders in groups are best served ignoring the desire of low IQ agitators when trying to solve problems
- Just listen when someone has a gun on you, and figure out the fairness after
- Instigating a problem and then having to defend yourself with violence is indefensible
- The bravery of law enforcement is measured in the face of danger and in confronting unfairness no matter the culprit
Regardless of who was enjoying or not enjoying it, I don't see anyone putting a stop to it - and whether they are current or former law enforcement - doesn't really matter. Everyone in that video is a grade A coward and doesn't strike as the type who are part of the solution.
It does matter who is in the video since the OP is using it as a way to judge police in general.
"I've always been of the belief that not ALL... or even most... cops are bad. But seeing something like this... happening in a room full of them at a party... this shakes that belief some."
Again... one or two cops... ok, a few bad apples,
At least over 30? That's a problem.
Instead of being mad at me why isn't you anger directed at the song, songwriter and those in the crowd? You appear to be bothered more by what's been shown to light than what that light showed... why?
At least over 30? You're math isn't very good.
Half of 60 is 30. Thst means around half were cops, most of those 30 were retired cops.
I am not mad. I have said the song and anyone who agreed with it or laughed at it was wrong. Difference is, i don't assume everyone there is a cop and everyone there loved it.
Maybe everyone there did enjoy it. In that case they are wrong. But you haven't provided anything proving that, you are merely speculating.
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I do not, unlike Christian above, pretend I have the ability to see into people's hearts and guess their intent or character.
I'm willing to concede, sure, in a social, loud setting chances are some folks might not be making out what's being said.
For those who can, especially those in the video enjoying it, I don't need a preternatural ability to look into someone's heart to know it's gross at best to sit back at a police officer's retirment party and revel in a song about a controversial killing.
It was NOT a police officers retirement party. A retired police officer threw the party as part of a charity event.
If you can't see the difference between these two instances, you're a complete idiot.
If you can't see the difference between these two instances, you're a complete idiot.
Tell me, which people in the video were singing along? Which ones were paid public servants?
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How people compare some lowlife scumbag blasting "Fuck the police" during a cops funeral to a group of PAID PUBLIC SERVANTS who are singing gleefully about how one of their own gunned down an unarmed black man.
If you can't see the difference between these two instances, you're a complete idiot.
Tell me, which people in the video were singing along? Which ones were paid public servants?
It was a police event, so I can only imagine a large number of current and former police officers were there. And no one seemed to protest the song being played. It seemed like it was normal to them.
Again, the fact that people can't just watch this video and say "That's disgusting," but instead feel the need to point out what other random black people did wrong says a lot about you.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
Figured you'd think a site like TMZ was a 'reliable source'. Who knew?
The number of cops who may or may not have been there? Thanks I guess. Really the only pertinent piece of information you gave is that the singer of the song thought that it would've been appropriate to sing at a retiree's party... no matter how many cops were in the room. The fact he could think that beforehand should tell you all you need to know about the character of the people he was expecting to perform in front of... but I'm sure you'll excuse that (or yes, downplay, that too).
And yes... I'm not interested in discussing this with you as I already know it's pointless.
Was the guy singing a police officer? I don't know. I don't know how many were police officers. I know most people there that had ties to law enfor ement are retired and no longer police.
What have i downplayed? Ive provided more information since you're using this as an excuse to judge police as a whole. This is a video almost 3 years old, and you don't have a clue who is or isnt a cop in the video since most people at the party were not cops.
You dont like it when another perspective, or facts, get in the way of a good anti cop thread.
As if the FACT that SOME in the audience were retired cops makes it ok. These former cops were once active cops ya know. But keep hanging your hat on that.
And it doesn't much matter whether the singer is a cop himself or not, the fact that he feels comfortable enough to openly state that he figured the song would've gone over well with the crowd speaks volumes.
So feel free to stick to your excuses.
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There should be no place for it anywhere in our society.
The video shows exactly ONE individual smiling as he walks out of the room where the song is being played. There are others sitting at a table in the background but I couldn't make much of their behavior from the film. The guy walking out of the room could literally be smiling about having just seen someone he hadn't seen since he retired. He may not have even been aware of the song in the background.
What I don't see is a group huddled and clapping or nodding in agreement with the lyrics. There is no justification for the lyrics so please don't misinterpret that I'm trying to justify them. The song sucks but I don't see these people celebrating the song itself. They may have been but I just don't see it in the video.
Agreed. But dont let that stop anyone from assuming everyone in the building is a cop, they were all listening to the lyrics and they all agreed with it.
As if the number of officers in the room really matters? It was played at an event celebrating a retiree. If this was a Black Lives Matter event... and you heard a singer singing 'Fry em like bacon!', I'm sure you'd be this forgiving wouldn't you? I'm sure you'd point out that not everyone in there may not have been part of the BLM movement... and that not everyone is seen singing along too right?
Riiiiiiight....
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How people compare some lowlife scumbag blasting "Fuck the police" during a cops funeral to a group of PAID PUBLIC SERVANTS who are singing gleefully about how one of their own gunned down an unarmed black man.
If you can't see the difference between these two instances, you're a complete idiot.
Tell me, which people in the video were singing along? Which ones were paid public servants?
Doesn't matter... video goes on for over a minute and you don't hear the least bit of protests coming from the room. Common sense tells me that even if they weren't singing along, it doesn't appear that anyone is protesting the song either.
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There should be no place for it anywhere in our society.
The video shows exactly ONE individual smiling as he walks out of the room where the song is being played. There are others sitting at a table in the background but I couldn't make much of their behavior from the film. The guy walking out of the room could literally be smiling about having just seen someone he hadn't seen since he retired. He may not have even been aware of the song in the background.
What I don't see is a group huddled and clapping or nodding in agreement with the lyrics. There is no justification for the lyrics so please don't misinterpret that I'm trying to justify them. The song sucks but I don't see these people celebrating the song itself. They may have been but I just don't see it in the video.
Agreed. But dont let that stop anyone from assuming everyone in the building is a cop, they were all listening to the lyrics and they all agreed with it.
As if the number of officers in the room really matters? It was played at an event celebrating a retiree. If this was a Black Lives Matter event... and you heard a singer singing 'Fry em like bacon!', I'm sure you'd be this forgiving wouldn't you? I'm sure you'd point out that not everyone in there may not have been part of the BLM movement... and that not everyone is seen singing along too right?
Riiiiiiight....
Everything I read said this party was hosted by a retired officer as part of a charity event.
The retired officer had been retired 7 years at the time.
How was it celebrating him?
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How people compare some lowlife scumbag blasting "Fuck the police" during a cops funeral to a group of PAID PUBLIC SERVANTS who are singing gleefully about how one of their own gunned down an unarmed black man.
If you can't see the difference between these two instances, you're a complete idiot.
Tell me, which people in the video were singing along? Which ones were paid public servants?
It was a police event, so I can only imagine a large number of current and former police officers were there. And no one seemed to protest the song being played. It seemed like it was normal to them.
Again, the fact that people can't just watch this video and say "That's disgusting," but instead feel the need to point out what other random black people did wrong says a lot about you.
It wasnt a police event.
Around 60 people were there. Half were law enforcement, most of those were retired.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
Figured you'd think a site like TMZ was a 'reliable source'. Who knew?
The number of cops who may or may not have been there? Thanks I guess. Really the only pertinent piece of information you gave is that the singer of the song thought that it would've been appropriate to sing at a retiree's party... no matter how many cops were in the room. The fact he could think that beforehand should tell you all you need to know about the character of the people he was expecting to perform in front of... but I'm sure you'll excuse that (or yes, downplay, that too).
And yes... I'm not interested in discussing this with you as I already know it's pointless.
Was the guy singing a police officer? I don't know. I don't know how many were police officers. I know most people there that had ties to law enfor ement are retired and no longer police.
What have i downplayed? Ive provided more information since you're using this as an excuse to judge police as a whole. This is a video almost 3 years old, and you don't have a clue who is or isnt a cop in the video since most people at the party were not cops.
You dont like it when another perspective, or facts, get in the way of a good anti cop thread.
As if the FACT that SOME in the audience were retired cops makes it ok. These former cops were once active cops ya know. But keep hanging your hat on that.
And it doesn't much matter whether the singer is a cop himself or not, the fact that he feels comfortable enough to openly state that he figured the song would've gone over well with the crowd speaks volumes.
So feel free to stick to your excuses.
I dont make excuses. If theyre wrong, theyre wrong. I tend to prefer facts and prof, of which fhere is very little here to indict anyone other than the singer.
I have already said the singer is wrong, and anyone singing along or enjoying the song is wrong.
My argument is we don't know how many people were listening, enjoying it, etc. We dont know how many people there are paid active police officers. YOU presented it as a "room full of them". You dont know that, cant prove that and refuse to admit that.
You keep attacking me because i refuse to indict all people there and all police. Not going to happen. You can say i defend police every chance i get but that's not true, i just like to get the entire story. I am always skeptical especially when the first link posted is filmingcops.com.
Fact is this...it was a stupid song. However, most people at this party were NOT active police officers. Police departments and all police in this country shouldn't be judged by actions of those who haven't been a cop in 10 years. You can't possibly think that.
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about how 16 year old children in this country are shitting on the memory of slain police officers DURING their funerals.
Or you can.
I'm really not sure what your point is.
Actually, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this was the Westboro Baptist Church. And while I realize the NY Post is not known for it's cutting edge investigative journalism, their failure to find any evidence whatsoever of a brother or friend being killed make me more than a little suspicious of his story.
But here's an important difference. As disgusting and racist and fucked up as the singing a song about Michael Brown was, they weren't singing it across the street from his funeral.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
Figured you'd think a site like TMZ was a 'reliable source'. Who knew?
The number of cops who may or may not have been there? Thanks I guess. Really the only pertinent piece of information you gave is that the singer of the song thought that it would've been appropriate to sing at a retiree's party... no matter how many cops were in the room. The fact he could think that beforehand should tell you all you need to know about the character of the people he was expecting to perform in front of... but I'm sure you'll excuse that (or yes, downplay, that too).
And yes... I'm not interested in discussing this with you as I already know it's pointless.
Was the guy singing a police officer? I don't know. I don't know how many were police officers. I know most people there that had ties to law enfor ement are retired and no longer police.
What have i downplayed? Ive provided more information since you're using this as an excuse to judge police as a whole. This is a video almost 3 years old, and you don't have a clue who is or isnt a cop in the video since most people at the party were not cops.
You dont like it when another perspective, or facts, get in the way of a good anti cop thread.
As if the FACT that SOME in the audience were retired cops makes it ok. These former cops were once active cops ya know. But keep hanging your hat on that.
And it doesn't much matter whether the singer is a cop himself or not, the fact that he feels comfortable enough to openly state that he figured the song would've gone over well with the crowd speaks volumes.
So feel free to stick to your excuses.
I dont make excuses. If theyre wrong, theyre wrong. I tend to prefer facts and prof, of which fhere is very little here to indict anyone other than the singer.
I have already said the singer is wrong, and anyone singing along or enjoying the song is wrong.
My argument is we don't know how many people were listening, enjoying it, etc. We dont know how many people there are paid active police officers. YOU presented it as a "room full of them". You dont know that, cant prove that and refuse to admit that.
You keep attacking me because i refuse to indict all people there and all police. Not going to happen. You can say i defend police every chance i get but that's not true, i just like to get the entire story. I am always skeptical especially when the first link posted is filmingcops.com.
Fact is this...it was a stupid song. However, most people at this party were NOT active police officers. Police departments and all police in this country shouldn't be judged by actions of those who haven't been a cop in 10 years. You can't possibly think that.
I'm not attacking you.
You're right. I don't think all LE officers are this bad. But I do believe that a majority of this specific LE department (the Ferguson PD) are. This is not a department that's been found to be a good one already. So I'm not sure why it's so hard to believe that this actually occurred the way it appears in the video.
I don't see why it matters how many officers there were active or retired. You continuously stating that it was mostly retired officers doesn't make it any better because they were once active and thus who knows what kind of evil things were performed during this period. That's the excuse that you seem to want to cling to... that because it happened in a room half full with retired policemen that that somehow makes it ok, and it doesn't.
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about how 16 year old children in this country are shitting on the memory of slain police officers DURING their funerals.
Or you can.
I'm really not sure what your point is.
Actually, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this was the Westboro Baptist Church. And while I realize the NY Post is not known for it's cutting edge investigative journalism, their failure to find any evidence whatsoever of a brother or friend being killed make me more than a little suspicious of his story.
But here's an important difference. As disgusting and racist and fucked up as the singing a song about Michael Brown was, they weren't singing it across the street from his funeral.
The fact that this kind of stuff goes on behind closed doors is worse to me. At least with the Westboro Baptist group they out front with their ignorance. I'd rather be able to see the devil as he is than as a person or group that hides their evil ways in a back room county club or whatever.
As a general statement I would agree. But when it's specifically about across the street from a funeral where a 20 year old daughter and 11 year old twins are burying their mother I strongly disagree.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
Figured you'd think a site like TMZ was a 'reliable source'. Who knew?
The number of cops who may or may not have been there? Thanks I guess. Really the only pertinent piece of information you gave is that the singer of the song thought that it would've been appropriate to sing at a retiree's party... no matter how many cops were in the room. The fact he could think that beforehand should tell you all you need to know about the character of the people he was expecting to perform in front of... but I'm sure you'll excuse that (or yes, downplay, that too).
And yes... I'm not interested in discussing this with you as I already know it's pointless.
Was the guy singing a police officer? I don't know. I don't know how many were police officers. I know most people there that had ties to law enfor ement are retired and no longer police.
What have i downplayed? Ive provided more information since you're using this as an excuse to judge police as a whole. This is a video almost 3 years old, and you don't have a clue who is or isnt a cop in the video since most people at the party were not cops.
You dont like it when another perspective, or facts, get in the way of a good anti cop thread.
As if the FACT that SOME in the audience were retired cops makes it ok. These former cops were once active cops ya know. But keep hanging your hat on that.
And it doesn't much matter whether the singer is a cop himself or not, the fact that he feels comfortable enough to openly state that he figured the song would've gone over well with the crowd speaks volumes.
So feel free to stick to your excuses.
I dont make excuses. If theyre wrong, theyre wrong. I tend to prefer facts and prof, of which fhere is very little here to indict anyone other than the singer.
I have already said the singer is wrong, and anyone singing along or enjoying the song is wrong.
My argument is we don't know how many people were listening, enjoying it, etc. We dont know how many people there are paid active police officers. YOU presented it as a "room full of them". You dont know that, cant prove that and refuse to admit that.
You keep attacking me because i refuse to indict all people there and all police. Not going to happen. You can say i defend police every chance i get but that's not true, i just like to get the entire story. I am always skeptical especially when the first link posted is filmingcops.com.
Fact is this...it was a stupid song. However, most people at this party were NOT active police officers. Police departments and all police in this country shouldn't be judged by actions of those who haven't been a cop in 10 years. You can't possibly think that.
I'm not attacking you.
You're right. I don't think all LE officers are this bad. But I do believe that a majority of this specific LE department (the Ferguson PD) are. This is not a department that's been found to be a good one already. So I'm not sure why it's so hard to believe that this actually occurred the way it appears in the video.
I don't see why it matters how many officers there were active or retired. You continuously stating that it was mostly retired officers doesn't make it any better because they were once active and thus who knows what kind of evil things were performed during this period. That's the excuse that you seem to want to cling to... that because it happened in a room half full with retired policemen that that somehow makes it ok, and it doesn't.
What are you talking about? The officers that were at the party were not Ferguson PD.
Ive made my point clear. Anyone who sang along or enjoyed it is an idiot. You skip that part every time.
Im NOT making excuses for anyone but you're post insinuated this was a room full of police officers which IS NOT TRUE. Retired police officers (only one we know of for sure has been retired a decade) are no longer police officers. They are normal civilians like everyone else and are no longer public servants. There is a difference imo between a group of active police doing something and a group of old retired guys doing something. You cant judge police everytime a retired officer does something stupid.
Having said that, ive still not seen proof everyone was singing and dancing and loving the song.
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As a general statement I would agree. But when it's specifically about across the street from a funeral where a 20 year old daughter and 11 year old twins are burying their mother I strongly disagree.
Point taken sir.
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So the outrage from a 2014 video can continue...BUT...
Do you assume they're all police because "filmingcops.com" tells you so?
I did a little research. The party was part of a charity golf event and was put on by a police officer that has been retired for 10 years. There were about 60 people there, about half of which were associated with law enforcement, most of those retired.
If you can figure out how many enjoying the song were active pplice officers, I'd be interested in having that info.
As it should be ignored since...
1) you haven't provided any kind of link yet
and 2) as usual, you're downplaying the incident.
Figured you were capable of using Google to find a more reliable source than what you posted.
And im not downplaying anything. I provided more information.
You aren't interested in discussion, clearly.
Figured you'd think a site like TMZ was a 'reliable source'. Who knew?
The number of cops who may or may not have been there? Thanks I guess. Really the only pertinent piece of information you gave is that the singer of the song thought that it would've been appropriate to sing at a retiree's party... no matter how many cops were in the room. The fact he could think that beforehand should tell you all you need to know about the character of the people he was expecting to perform in front of... but I'm sure you'll excuse that (or yes, downplay, that too).
And yes... I'm not interested in discussing this with you as I already know it's pointless.
Was the guy singing a police officer? I don't know. I don't know how many were police officers. I know most people there that had ties to law enfor ement are retired and no longer police.
What have i downplayed? Ive provided more information since you're using this as an excuse to judge police as a whole. This is a video almost 3 years old, and you don't have a clue who is or isnt a cop in the video since most people at the party were not cops.
You dont like it when another perspective, or facts, get in the way of a good anti cop thread.
As if the FACT that SOME in the audience were retired cops makes it ok. These former cops were once active cops ya know. But keep hanging your hat on that.
And it doesn't much matter whether the singer is a cop himself or not, the fact that he feels comfortable enough to openly state that he figured the song would've gone over well with the crowd speaks volumes.
So feel free to stick to your excuses.
I dont make excuses. If theyre wrong, theyre wrong. I tend to prefer facts and prof, of which fhere is very little here to indict anyone other than the singer.
I have already said the singer is wrong, and anyone singing along or enjoying the song is wrong.
My argument is we don't know how many people were listening, enjoying it, etc. We dont know how many people there are paid active police officers. YOU presented it as a "room full of them". You dont know that, cant prove that and refuse to admit that.
You keep attacking me because i refuse to indict all people there and all police. Not going to happen. You can say i defend police every chance i get but that's not true, i just like to get the entire story. I am always skeptical especially when the first link posted is filmingcops.com.
Fact is this...it was a stupid song. However, most people at this party were NOT active police officers. Police departments and all police in this country shouldn't be judged by actions of those who haven't been a cop in 10 years. You can't possibly think that.
I'm not attacking you.
You're right. I don't think all LE officers are this bad. But I do believe that a majority of this specific LE department (the Ferguson PD) are. This is not a department that's been found to be a good one already. So I'm not sure why it's so hard to believe that this actually occurred the way it appears in the video.
I don't see why it matters how many officers there were active or retired. You continuously stating that it was mostly retired officers doesn't make it any better because they were once active and thus who knows what kind of evil things were performed during this period. That's the excuse that you seem to want to cling to... that because it happened in a room half full with retired policemen that that somehow makes it ok, and it doesn't.
What are you talking about? The officers that were at the party were not Ferguson PD.
Ive made my point clear. Anyone who sang along or enjoyed it is an idiot. You skip that part every time.
Im NOT making excuses for anyone but you're post insinuated this was a room full of police officers which IS NOT TRUE. Retired police officers (only one we know of for sure has been retired a decade) are no longer police officers. They are normal civilians like everyone else and are no longer public servants. There is a difference imo between a group of active police doing something and a group of old retired guys doing something. You cant judge police everytime a retired officer does something stupid.
Having said that, ive still not seen proof everyone was singing and dancing and loving the song.
I was wrong. I could've sworn I'd read somewhere that this happened in Ferguson but just went back and saw where I'd gotten confused.
Actually, I've since corrected myself and said that it wasn't a room full of them but with it still being a room HALF full of policemen... retired or otherwise... that is a very troublesome sight to see a video where that song is playing for over a minute and not see nor hear not one person upset about the lyrics AND that the songwriter... whether he was a cop himself or not... thought that singing a song like that would play well to his crowd. That says a lot about the crowd he was expecting to play in front of (half of which were cops). You keep banging the drum that of the cops that were in there most... if not all... of them were retired so it really shouldn't matter... I'd like to know why it should?
And lastly... let me ask you this... if that was a Black Live Matter party for a retired member of that organization... and you saw a video of that very same scene (same circumstances and everything) but instead you heard a guy singing 'Cops are pigs.. fry em like bacon!', would you be as open to the idea that not everyone in that room was chanting that? Would you accept from me that not everyone in that room was out to kill cops... and would that be comforting enough for you to just let it go?
I guess basically its this simple.
1.)anyone who enjoyed it is an idiot, including the singer.
2.)video doesnt give many details about who was there, listening, etc.
You like to assume things to support your argument when I'm simply saying you can't know. And the singer thinking the audience would like the song says more about him than anyone else. You cant judge others because of what someone else thinks.
I think we have went around and around enough about this 2-3 year old video.
As for your comment about BLM...Id say it depends. It depends on what the video actually showed. Plenty of rappers have written anti police songs. Some have talked about killing cops. I still enjoy rap and i dont think all rappers want to kill all cops...
I guess basically its this simple.
1.)anyone who enjoyed it is an idiot, including the singer.
2.)video doesnt give many details about who was there, listening, etc.
You like to assume things to support your argument when I'm simply saying you can't know. And the singer thinking the audience would like the song says more about him than anyone else. You cant judge others because of what someone else thinks.
I think we have went around and around enough about this 2-3 year old video.
As for your comment about BLM...Id say it depends. It depends on what the video actually showed. Plenty of rappers have written anti police songs. Some have talked about killing cops. I still enjoy rap and i dont think all rappers want to kill all cops...
And I don't think all cops are racist assholes... just the ones who didn't have a problem with the song and people like them.
The problem I have with your original post is that you basically said this video plants the seed of doubt with you that "maybe" all cops really are racist assholes.
So, you either do want to generalize or you don't. But if you do, be mindful of how easy it would be for those on the other side of the argument to make the same sweeping generalizations.
If after reading my post and then watching that video the thing that pisses you off and/or grabs your attention the most is my statement and not the content of the video, I'd say therein lies part of the problem. Your too busy trying to scold me for my reaction to what's in the video rather than being as upset at what caused that reaction in the first place. Out of all the different posters who commented on this post there were only 3 that took what I said so personally that to hell what was in the video... 'yeah, yeah... it was mean but HOW DA HELL CAN YOU SAY ALL COPS ARE RACIST NOW?'.
So spare me. Of course I don't think that most... much less all... cops are assholes (much less racist assholes). I see posters start threads here all the time saying that their 'faith in humanity has been shaken' after witnessing some horrific act and I don't see any posters say to them 'yeah... that's messed up that mother of four drowned her kids on purpose... BUT SHIT DUDE... REALLY? YOUR BELIEF IN ALL HUMANITY?! THATS FUCKED UP THAT YOUD SAY THAT ABOUT ALL OF IS!'. Why not? Because it's stupid to focus your anger on the reaction to the issue and not the issue itself. You want me to feel differently, then do something about what was in that video first and I will. But please stop trying to distract from what the REAL issue is here in this thread.
LE officials want us private citizens to speak up and out against things from bullying to snitching and yet most turn a blind eye to what's going on in their own backyard. Turns out the singer is a PI who used to work as an investigator for the federal government. Yeah... THAT'S a guy I'd like working for the federal government as an investigator! And he supposedly has been singing stuff like that for decades (per the 32 year vet of the force who was the honoree of the event) and at no point during that time did no one think to tell him that songs like that are tasteless? Really?! But no.., it's not that that's got your panties in a bunch... it's me and my personal feelings that must be dealt with. Give me a break.
I'm done. An overwhelmingly majority of the posters on this thread saw what the real issue was and reacted to that issue. Meanwhile, a very small amount have decided that my opening statement should trump (no pun intended... well..,) what was in that video and be the focus of the thread. At least it's nice to see most weren't distracted from what the real issue is in this thread.
I think T-Bones 20-some posts in this thread clearly indicate that he was indeed interested in discussion.
Maybe by "discussion" you mean he wasn't interested in giving up his point of view in order to make to feel better.
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I think T-Bones 20-some posts in this thread clearly indicate that he was indeed interested in discussion.
Maybe by "discussion" you mean he wasn't interested in giving up his point of view in order to make to feel better.
He said himself hes not interested in discussing it with me.
My response to the thread wasn't because my reaction to the song or singer was any different than yours, or I was trying to make excuses for anyone, it was because I don't make the same inferences from the video that you do.
If there were a BLM march and a handful of the thousands of people marching were chanting "pigs in blankets fry like bacon" I would not say all of the thousands of people marching should be condemned by the words of the few. I would not say anyone who doesn't confront those uttering those words is a coward or a cop-hating bigot - guilty by association. They might be, for all I know and everyone in that video could be a straight out racist, but I'm not willing to go there without something more solid.
I don't even know for a fact anyone else is even paying attention to the song. the only video I see looks like a man having a conversation with someone on his way out of the room and people at a table talking to each other and the bulk of the video just shows the carpet. I'm not willing to make the leap that this is quasi klan rally and people are singing along stomping their feet to the music and all otherwise endorse the song like you did. If this is the standard you need to convict people or condemn them for inaction we have different standards. I'd like to think if people were listening someone would have said something and it appears from some of the stories, people heard and complained to the Elks Club about it, but who heard what and when is not known to me.
So I think we can say we both find the song disgusting, where we differ is in the culpability of others, you could be right, but I'm not willing to go there based on that video.
I've always been of the belief that not ALL... or even most... cops are bad. But seeing something like this... happening in a room full of them at a party... this shakes that belief some.
My response to the thread wasn't because my reaction to the song or singer was any different than yours, or I was trying to make excuses for anyone, it was because I don't make the same inferences from the video that you do.
If there were a BLM march and a handful of the thousands of people marching were chanting "pigs in blankets fry like bacon" I would not say all of the thousands of people marching should be condemned by the words of the few. I would not say anyone who doesn't confront those uttering those words is a coward or a cop-hating bigot - guilty by association. They might be, for all I know and everyone in that video could be a straight out racist, but I'm not willing to go there without something more solid.
I don't even know for a fact anyone else is even paying attention to the song. the only video I see looks like a man having a conversation with someone on his way out of the room and people at a table talking to each other and the bulk of the video just shows the carpet. I'm not willing to make the leap that this is quasi klan rally and people are singing along stomping their feet to the music and all otherwise endorse the song like you did. If this is the standard you need to convict people or condemn them for inaction we have different standards. I'd like to think if people were listening someone would have said something and it appears from some of the stories, people heard and complained to the Elks Club about it, but who heard what and when is not known to me.
So I think we can say we both find the song disgusting, where we differ is in the culpability of others, you could be right, but I'm not willing to go there based on that video.
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Might as well been a room full of Klansman. All that's different is the uniform.
I've always been of the belief that not ALL... or even most... cops are bad. But seeing something like this... happening in a room full of them at a party... this shakes that belief some.
Throughout this thread I've found your post to be very fair and balanced. You've never given off the impression that you were more concerned with my reaction over the cause of that reaction. I've appreciated your posts and have made me realize that perhaps not EVERYONE that was in attendance had no problem with the song (although in the article in MOOPS link it specifically states that the person videotaping did so because
My issue is with those that have chosen to appear to have more of an issue with my statement (which they themselves have adjusted to fit a narrative they want to argue against... that I'm thinking ALL cops are racist assholes... which I've never said) than the content in the video. And of course, it's usually the same posters it always is.
I'm not anti-police. Never considered myself to be anyway. But that video is bullshit and all the information that's come out since has done anything to put anyone in that video in a better light... at least not to me. Between the song itself... the fact the songwriter states that he didn't think singing a song like that wouldn't be an issue with those in attendance... the fact that he's performed similar songs for DECADES with no one at any point saying to him 'Ya know... this just doesn't seem right.' is a problem. The guy who the event was for pretty much says 'What's the big deal? He's done this every year for the past few decades.' and pulls out the 'This is 'merica! And he can say what he wants!'... and he's a former cop. That's a problem. Because of all that, I see no reason to give anyone associated with incident any benefit of the doubt. If I saw or heard ONE person in that minute-plus video (or even read about it afterwards), then I'd perhaps feel differently. Instead we have the honoree basically shrugging his shoulders. But it's MY attitude towards police officers that needs to be addressed by some. That needs to be the focus for some.
That's also a big part of the problem.
the songwriter has publicly expressed remorse (maybe not enough) and the only person responding IMO still inappropriately is the event organizer who says it's free speech. And the Elks club from what I read was considering their own discipline (it's been a couple years so who know what's happened since)
Like in the BLM march question you posed to the board, are you condemning people who fail to act against the couple bad apples who are spewing offensive comments?
I'm not. While I'd admire courage in a setting like that, I just don't expect and I don't think inaction necessarily speaks to someone's character or makes them a coward and certainly doesn't necessarily make them complicit or in agreement with the offensive comments.
I see nowhere where the songwriter apologizes. All he stated was how he realized after the fact that the song was 'off color and in poor taste' (which is pretty pathetic if true... and I don't believe it myself). And it's a statement from his lawyer, not him. If you've seen a different statement please feel free to point it out to me.
Yes I am. Why wouldn't you? You wouldn't expect me to condemn the assholes who were chanting 'cops are pigs, fry me like bacon'? Why not?
There are many other ways the people in that room could've shown any dissatisfaction... none of which would've involved actually confronting the songwriter. The first and most effective of which would've been simply to walk out. Would that have been too much to ask for? I don't think so.
I wouldn't condemn peaceful protestors at a BLM march or those who have constructive messages even among the offensive people. That's my opinion.
only those actually making the offensive comments IMO are responsible for the comments and maybe even extend it to others actively participating in the comments if feel like it, I can live with that.
as for this event, it was a charity golf tournament. I don't know and won't pretend to know in that room where the singer sung his offensive song, who was even paying attention to the lyrics. Maybe my opinion was tainted by reading your OP where you made it sound like the crowd was singing, dancing, and laughing (ie participating) in the song.
Sure, people could have walked out, and maybe some did, who knows, I feel like I've made my point clear, it's not ok to sing the song, it's not ok to participate in it or even enjoy it, but I'm not going to assume because someone didn't walk out or confront the singer they were ok with it.
I wouldn't condemn peaceful protestors at a BLM march or those who have constructive messages even among the offensive people. That's my opinion.
only those actually making the offensive comments IMO are responsible for the comments and maybe even extend it to others actively participating in the comments if feel like it, I can live with that.
as for this event, it was a charity golf tournament. I don't know and won't pretend to know in that room where the singer sung his offensive song, who was even paying attention to the lyrics. Maybe my opinion was tainted by reading your OP where you made it sound like the crowd was singing, dancing, and laughing (ie participating) in the song.
Sure, people could have walked out, and maybe some did, who knows, I feel like I've made my point clear, it's not ok to sing the song, it's not ok to participate in it or even enjoy it, but I'm not going to assume because someone didn't walk out or confront the singer they were ok with it.
You say what i have tried to say, only you say it much better lol
This is where we differ because I will.
Again, person who videotaped it said they did because NOONE was speaking out against it. Even the organizer never condemned the song or songwriter even after it was pointed out to him how offensive it was. Now after all that, if you choose to still believe that most, if not all, of everyone there wasn't ok with the song, more power to you. I choose to believe differently. Nothing wrong with that and I can respect you having that perspective.
I just refuse to let you or anyone else try to make me feel like I'm wrong for going with how I (and it appears many others) view what's going on in that room. Not when if the roles were reversed some (not you) wouldn't be giving all of these excuses and qualifiers for what appears to be pretty straight forward as to what's going on there. Whenever BLM comes up on this site there are a few who have no problem throwing up some misguided idiots chanting the 'pigs, fry em' song but at least BLM as an organization came out and condemned those comments. As you said yourself, the only condemnation we've seen is from the lodge. But you want me to believe that there are some who didn't like the song? Well perhaps they should speak up then? Or... as you suggest... not. And no, not speaking up does NOT automatically mean that you're ok with the song, but it doesn't mean it doesn't either.
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... but I'm not going to assume because someone didn't walk out or confront the singer they were ok with it.
This is where we differ because I will.
Again, person who videotaped it said they did because NOONE was speaking out against it. Even the organizer never condemned the song or songwriter even after it was pointed out to him how offensive it was. Now after all that, if you choose to still believe that most, if not all, of everyone there wasn't ok with the song, more power to you. I choose to believe differently. Nothing wrong with that and I can respect you having that perspective.
I just refuse to let you or anyone else try to make me feel like I'm wrong for going with how I (and it appears many others) view what's going on in that room. Not when if the roles were reversed some (not you) wouldn't be giving all of these excuses and qualifiers for what appears to be pretty straight forward as to what's going on there. Whenever BLM comes up on this site there are a few who have no problem throwing up some misguided idiots chanting the 'pigs, fry em' song but at least BLM as an organization came out and condemned those comments. As you said yourself, the only condemnation we've seen is from the lodge. But you want me to believe that there are some who didn't like the song? Well perhaps they should speak up then? Or... as you suggest... not. And no, not speaking up does NOT automatically mean that you're ok with the song, but it doesn't mean it doesn't either.
The organizer deserves more scrutiny and attention, he said it was free speech, but the Elks Club condemned it and the Elks Club board said they were considering sanctions against the organizer (no clue whatever happened with it).
My other point was I just don't know who was paying attention to the song enough to even hear the lyrics. I just don't see enough in the video to say wow those people are just sitting there not saying anything about the offensive song. I've been to events at Elks Clubs and other similar places and when you're having a conversation with someone the sounds in the background are just that background noise. Maye they all heard it and ignored it, maybe they heard it and laughed, maybe they heard it and were pissed, I cannot tell and I'm not willing to convict anyone with what I've seen on that video.
And T-Bone I definitely am not saying you're wrong for having your opinion, I'm just saying mine is different and explaining why I have my opinion. I think it's important people to the extent they're willing to do it respectfully have to have conversations about topics like this and share their thoughts, it's IMO how we progress as a society.
My comment about walking in your shoes was exactly to this point. You have life experiences that help form your opinions, as I do that help form my opinions.
And I would never say yours is wrong or worse than mine.
Again, person who videotaped it said they did because NOONE was speaking out against it.
Odd that they themselves didn't speak out if they are being truthful about their motivation for filming.
Ok... I'm done. At least a statement was put out by the LAPD condeming the song (calling it "offensive & absurd.") and saying "Any officers who were present could potentially face disciplinary action for "conduct unbecoming of a police officer.". Although if there was any action taken it seems to be unknown. This thread has consumed a lot of my time and energy and I'm ready to move on at this point. Thanks for offering your perspective pj... it's always appreciated even when we don't agree.
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Again, person who videotaped it said they did because NOONE was speaking out against it.
Odd that they themselves didn't speak out if they are being truthful about their motivation for filming.
At least they had the courage to shine some light on it. I'll take it.
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Again, person who videotaped it said they did because NOONE was speaking out against it.
Odd that they themselves didn't speak out if they are being truthful about their motivation for filming.
At least they had the courage to shine some light on it. I'll take it.
Sure but if they were so strongly against it to tape it yet felt too uncomfortable to speak up stands to reason many others may have felt the same.
Not defending the song, or those who were involved in playing it because it's indispensable, but just hard for me to read into the hearts of people I don't even know just because they were present for dinner. Just impossible to know how many people felt just like the person who taped it, but also didn't speak up.
Everybody likley has at least one time in their life they wished they could have a do over and done more to stand against a situation they encountered and didn't support.
No problem. I knew what you meant.
No offense steve, but I'm ready to move on. I'm just going to go in the same circle as you that I've been going through with others and I'm tired of repeating myself.
Agree... and there hasn't been anyone on this thread who's said anything different (thankfully).