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NFT: Soon you'll be able to openly carry a sword in Texas

JohnF : 7/14/2017 7:51 pm


CNN Link

This has to be good news for Crocodile Dundee and his "knife"!

All I know is, staff meetings would be much more interesting if I could bring a katana with me. Much shorter, too!
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steve in ky : 7/14/2017 8:00 pm : link
If it's such a brilliant idea,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/14/2017 8:00 pm : link
why have any restrictions at all?
All the people with concealed carry permits will  
JerryNYG : 7/14/2017 8:38 pm : link
keep them in check, what could go wrong?
Doug Marcaida  
rmc3981 : 7/14/2017 8:41 pm : link
This will cut.
This will kill.
There can be only one!  
pganut : 7/14/2017 8:43 pm : link
So anything over 5.5 inches  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/14/2017 9:36 pm : link
is now a sword?

I know a lot of females who would disagree with you. :)
never bring a sword to a gunfight  
gtt350 : 7/14/2017 11:09 pm : link
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It's so f you see Randy Jackson somewhere  
superspynyg : 7/15/2017 9:03 am : link
You can get his autograph on it.
RE: All the people with concealed carry permits will  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13528663 JerryNYG said:
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keep them in check, what could go wrong?


exactly. because all those criminals clamoring to get out there and dice up some humans with their samurai swords just didn't act on those impulses because it was illegal. You have to draw that line somewhere and than god for those laws in place preventing all those mass carvings/stabbings. It would have been like the battle of bunker hill all over again on a daily basis if this law hadn't been in place.

Now that it will become legal to carry a sword, there's nothing to stop those people who mean ill will and are now empowered, except the legal gun owners.

in some people's minds this is going to be the wild, wild west, or the scene below from Raiders of the Lost Ark and in reality, nothing will change.


Why does it always have to be about the guns, pj?  
jcn56 : 7/15/2017 9:39 am : link
Why can't we have some kickass sword fights?

A ninja and a cowboy duking it out with swords in downtown Dallas. Sign me up.
RE: Why does it always have to be about the guns, pj?  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13528829 jcn56 said:
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Why can't we have some kickass sword fights?

A ninja and a cowboy duking it out with swords in downtown Dallas. Sign me up.

agree. maybe even remove the law making ope carry lances illegal and when people offend one other they joust.

Texas  
XBRONX : 7/15/2017 10:21 am : link
is the state that elected Louie Gohmert. Nuf said.
If we can't have open carry  
JerryNYG : 7/15/2017 11:29 am : link
battle axes then this just isn't freedom.
RE: If we can't have open carry  
jcn56 : 7/15/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13528847 JerryNYG said:
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battle axes then this just isn't freedom.


What do you mean, marriage has been legal in Texas for ages...
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JerryNYG : 7/15/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13528855 jcn56 said:
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battle axes then this just isn't freedom.



What do you mean, marriage has been legal in Texas for ages...


NOW it is getting dangerous!
I wouldn't live in nor visit Texas  
Hammer : 7/15/2017 2:24 pm : link
for all the tea in China.

I can just see myself sitting with my wife and young son in a restaurant when a group of assholes walks in with assault rifles strapped to their backs.

How the fuck am I supposed to know whether they are "good guys" or fucking thieving murderers? Are they going to be wearing signs? Do the good guys wear white and the bad guys wear black?

No, I'll juste say fuck this, grab my family, and head for the nearest exit.

Better yet, I'll just stay in Jersey.
Good  
HomerJones45 : 7/15/2017 2:27 pm : link
that will help control the knaves and varlets
RE: I wouldn't live in nor visit Texas  
section125 : 7/15/2017 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13528898 Hammer said:
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for all the tea in China.

I can just see myself sitting with my wife and young son in a restaurant when a group of assholes walks in with assault rifles strapped to their backs.

How the fuck am I supposed to know whether they are "good guys" or fucking thieving murderers? Are they going to be wearing signs? Do the good guys wear white and the bad guys wear black?

No, I'll juste say fuck this, grab my family, and head for the nearest exit.

Better yet, I'll just stay in Jersey.


You would be safer in Texas than NJ, believe me, unless you live in Vineland.....
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jcn56 : 7/15/2017 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13528920 section125 said:
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for all the tea in China.

I can just see myself sitting with my wife and young son in a restaurant when a group of assholes walks in with assault rifles strapped to their backs.

How the fuck am I supposed to know whether they are "good guys" or fucking thieving murderers? Are they going to be wearing signs? Do the good guys wear white and the bad guys wear black?

No, I'll juste say fuck this, grab my family, and head for the nearest exit.

Better yet, I'll just stay in Jersey.



You would be safer in Texas than NJ, believe me, unless you live in Vineland.....


Why believe you when the FBI who collects data on the matter says you're wrong?
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-4 - ( New Window )
jcn  
XBRONX : 7/15/2017 4:33 pm : link
Don't confuse people who believe in fake news rather than facts.
The clanging of a sword is the sound of freedom baby  
Lawrence_Taylor_56 : 7/15/2017 5:06 pm : link
'MURICA
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't live in nor visit Texas  
section125 : 7/15/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13528924 jcn56 said:
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for all the tea in China.

I can just see myself sitting with my wife and young son in a restaurant when a group of assholes walks in with assault rifles strapped to their backs.

How the fuck am I supposed to know whether they are "good guys" or fucking thieving murderers? Are they going to be wearing signs? Do the good guys wear white and the bad guys wear black?

No, I'll juste say fuck this, grab my family, and head for the nearest exit.

Better yet, I'll just stay in Jersey.



You would be safer in Texas than NJ, believe me, unless you live in Vineland.....



Why believe you when the FBI who collects data on the matter says you're wrong? https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-4 - ( New Window )


Need an interpreter to read that table, beside the fact I was being facetious...
I think it's a good idea  
Don Draper : 7/15/2017 5:36 pm : link
You never know when you'll stumble across a dragon, or an orc, and without a sword, you'd be defenseless...
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't live in nor visit Texas  
Hammer : 7/15/2017 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13528924 jcn56 said:
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for all the tea in China.

I can just see myself sitting with my wife and young son in a restaurant when a group of assholes walks in with assault rifles strapped to their backs.

How the fuck am I supposed to know whether they are "good guys" or fucking thieving murderers? Are they going to be wearing signs? Do the good guys wear white and the bad guys wear black?

No, I'll juste say fuck this, grab my family, and head for the nearest exit.

Better yet, I'll just stay in Jersey.



You would be safer in Texas than NJ, believe me, unless you live in Vineland.....



Why believe you when the FBI who collects data on the matter says you're wrong? https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-4 - ( New Window )


Wow. Texas and New Jersey look to be on different planets in regard to crime.

Thanks for the link. I'll use it the next time someone tells me that open and concealed carry makes for a safer society
I remember being in some dive bar on the outskirts  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/15/2017 6:35 pm : link
Of Austin a few years back and seeing two dudes get into an argument. Both were packing. Guns and alcohol...what could go wrong? Now you got swords. TEXAS!
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ctc in ftmyers : 7/15/2017 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13529019 Hammer said:
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for all the tea in China.

I can just see myself sitting with my wife and young son in a restaurant when a group of assholes walks in with assault rifles strapped to their backs.

How the fuck am I supposed to know whether they are "good guys" or fucking thieving murderers? Are they going to be wearing signs? Do the good guys wear white and the bad guys wear black?

No, I'll juste say fuck this, grab my family, and head for the nearest exit.

Better yet, I'll just stay in Jersey.



You would be safer in Texas than NJ, believe me, unless you live in Vineland.....



Why believe you when the FBI who collects data on the matter says you're wrong? https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-4 - ( New Window )



Wow. Texas and New Jersey look to be on different planets in regard to crime.

Thanks for the link. I'll use it the next time someone tells me that open and concealed carry makes for a safer society


That's it. Concealed carry is the reason for crime. Really? Your talking a state that can illegals can can on get into by a small sliver of coastline? Get real. On open border had nothing to do with it. It's all because of concealed carry. I wounder what the the statistics were last year and what they will be for 2017? Apparently, you'll never visit Illinois either.
Good for Texas, good for America and good for freedom!  
trueblueinpw : 7/15/2017 7:45 pm : link
As long as we are able to openly carry swords we'll be able to resist the oppression of the state. Don't tread on me!
OK Texas!  
Manning10 : 7/15/2017 7:58 pm : link
is California still part of America?
Hammer  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2017 8:02 pm : link
that's one of the dumber posts in recent BBI history and that's saying a lot.

Vermont is a constitutional carry state, meaning you don't even need a permit like in Texas for concealed carry or open carry, look at their violent crime rate. Lowest in the nation.

Compare that to DC where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, compare it with IL where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

Or change things up a little and maybe compare California (strictest in the country) with Texas.

that's why, isn't it?, their gun permit policy, it has to be why crime is so low in Vermont.

I wish you were joking, or at least being facetious, but I'm quite sure you weren't.

RE: Hammer  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/15/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13529082 pjcas18 said:
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that's one of the dumber posts in recent BBI history and that's saying a lot.

Vermont is a constitutional carry state, meaning you don't even need a permit like in Texas for concealed carry or open carry, look at their violent crime rate. Lowest in the nation.

Compare that to DC where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, compare it with IL where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

Or change things up a little and maybe compare California (strictest in the country) with Texas.

that's why, isn't it?, their gun permit policy, it has to be why crime is so low in Vermont.

I wish you were joking, or at least being facetious, but I'm quite sure you weren't.


There's a serious flaw in your argument. Let's use Chicago as an example... 60% of the guns used in Chicago crimes (that are capable of being traced) originate outside the state of Illinois. A 4 year study of ATF statistics from 2010-2014 showed a grand total of 3,269 guns used in the commission of a crime in Chicago originated from Indiana alone. Mississippi (1,002), Wisconsin (898), and Missouri (780) were among 11+ other states in which guns used in Chicago crimes during that period were traced back to.

A report released by the NYS AG last October showed 74% of the traceable guns used in crimes in the state over a 5 year period came from outside the state. The AG also said that between 2010 and 2015, the number of handguns used in crimes that originated out of state swelled to 86%. Here's a direct quote from him... “The data makes one thing abundantly clear: New York’s strong gun laws are being undermined at every turn by lax laws in other states,”

Keep in mind, these are only the guns they're capable of tracing. The numbers are almost certainly higher since only 40-60% of guns used in crimes during a given year can be traced back to their original purchase date/place.
RE: RE: Hammer  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/15/2017 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13529111 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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that's one of the dumber posts in recent BBI history and that's saying a lot.

Vermont is a constitutional carry state, meaning you don't even need a permit like in Texas for concealed carry or open carry, look at their violent crime rate. Lowest in the nation.

Compare that to DC where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, compare it with IL where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

Or change things up a little and maybe compare California (strictest in the country) with Texas.

that's why, isn't it?, their gun permit policy, it has to be why crime is so low in Vermont.

I wish you were joking, or at least being facetious, but I'm quite sure you weren't.




There's a serious flaw in your argument. Let's use Chicago as an example... 60% of the guns used in Chicago crimes (that are capable of being traced) originate outside the state of Illinois. A 4 year study of ATF statistics from 2010-2014 showed a grand total of 3,269 guns used in the commission of a crime in Chicago originated from Indiana alone. Mississippi (1,002), Wisconsin (898), and Missouri (780) were among 11+ other states in which guns used in Chicago crimes during that period were traced back to.

A report released by the NYS AG last October showed 74% of the traceable guns used in crimes in the state over a 5 year period came from outside the state. The AG also said that between 2010 and 2015, the number of handguns used in crimes that originated out of state swelled to 86%. Here's a direct quote from him... “The data makes one thing abundantly clear: New York’s strong gun laws are being undermined at every turn by lax laws in other states,”

Keep in mind, these are only the guns they're capable of tracing. The numbers are almost certainly higher since only 40-60% of guns used in crimes during a given year can be traced back to their original purchase date/place.


Criminals get illegal guns. News at 11.

RE: RE: Hammer  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13529111 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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that's one of the dumber posts in recent BBI history and that's saying a lot.

Vermont is a constitutional carry state, meaning you don't even need a permit like in Texas for concealed carry or open carry, look at their violent crime rate. Lowest in the nation.

Compare that to DC where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, compare it with IL where they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

Or change things up a little and maybe compare California (strictest in the country) with Texas.

that's why, isn't it?, their gun permit policy, it has to be why crime is so low in Vermont.

I wish you were joking, or at least being facetious, but I'm quite sure you weren't.




There's a serious flaw in your argument. Let's use Chicago as an example... 60% of the guns used in Chicago crimes (that are capable of being traced) originate outside the state of Illinois. A 4 year study of ATF statistics from 2010-2014 showed a grand total of 3,269 guns used in the commission of a crime in Chicago originated from Indiana alone. Mississippi (1,002), Wisconsin (898), and Missouri (780) were among 11+ other states in which guns used in Chicago crimes during that period were traced back to.

A report released by the NYS AG last October showed 74% of the traceable guns used in crimes in the state over a 5 year period came from outside the state. The AG also said that between 2010 and 2015, the number of handguns used in crimes that originated out of state swelled to 86%. Here's a direct quote from him... “The data makes one thing abundantly clear: New York’s strong gun laws are being undermined at every turn by lax laws in other states,”

Keep in mind, these are only the guns they're capable of tracing. The numbers are almost certainly higher since only 40-60% of guns used in crimes during a given year can be traced back to their original purchase date/place.


So what you're saying then is there is almost zero correlation to gun laws and violent crime.

thank you for helping further my point.
RE: RE: RE: Hammer  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/15/2017 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13529135 pjcas18 said:
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So what you're saying then is there is almost zero correlation to gun laws and violent crime.

thank you for helping further my point.


Don't be simpleminded. It doesn't matter how strict a state/county's gun laws are if the surrounding states and counties have lax gun laws. There's no reason to deny that if the US enacted strict gun laws that violent crime would drop everywhere, especially in places you listed like Chicago and DC. It wouldn't cease to exist, but it would certainly drop a lot.

There's zero correlation because there's no magic gun fence that keeps guns purchased legally and abundantly in other areas out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hammer  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2017 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13529157 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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So what you're saying then is there is almost zero correlation to gun laws and violent crime.

thank you for helping further my point.



Don't be simpleminded. It doesn't matter how strict a state/county's gun laws are if the surrounding states and counties have lax gun laws. There's no reason to deny that if the US enacted strict gun laws that violent crime would drop everywhere, especially in places you listed like Chicago and DC. It wouldn't cease to exist, but it would certainly drop a lot.

There's zero correlation because there's no magic gun fence that keeps guns purchased legally and abundantly in other areas out.


It seems you have missed a big part of this thread and responded only to one post without context.

My posts were in response to the erroneous and simple conclusion Hammer made based on the chart jcn linked. here was Hammer's post I was responding to.

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Wow. Texas and New Jersey look to be on different planets in regard to crime.

Thanks for the link. I'll use it the next time someone tells me that open and concealed carry makes for a safer society
The problem I have with the data is that you can only use it in one  
jcn56 : 7/15/2017 10:10 pm : link
direction.

The argument that lax regulations leads to greater safety tends to fall apart when you compare the gun crime statistics in those states. When you try to go the other way, the fact that there are states with more lax gun laws and nothing to stop criminals from obtaining them there and then illegally bringing them across state lines makes the comparison more difficult.

IMO, it's like a lot of things that we account to a whole lot of other factors (like race, guns, etc.) - at the end of the day, it breaks down to money. Poverty makes people do shitty things.

Plus, it takes us away from the real point of this thread, to show how Texas is doing it's best to see if it can supplant Florida in the daily crazy threads. Swords are a good start, but they should really start importing some alligators if they're serious about this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hammer  
Hammer : 7/16/2017 8:49 am : link
In comment 13529165 pjcas18 said:
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It seems you have missed a big part of this thread and responded only to one post without context.

My posts were in response to the erroneous and simple conclusion Hammer made based on the chart jcn linked. here was Hammer's post I was responding to.



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Wow. Texas and New Jersey look to be on different planets in regard to crime.

Thanks for the link. I'll use it the next time someone tells me that open and concealed carry makes for a safer society



The data speaks for itself. I say that statistics showing much higher crime rates in Texas as compared to New Jersey, on their face, are evidence that lax gun laws do not help to stop crime.

Obviously, there are many more factors that have to be considered but, on their face, the FBI statistics say what they say, and they show much higher violent crime rates per capita in Texas than in New Jersey.

I am not going to engage in an in depth analysis of the topic. I will just restate my original position. I am just not going to Texas any time soon.
Wll then how do you explain  
pjcas18 : 7/16/2017 8:56 am : link
Vermont's lowest in the nation violent crime rate and most lax in the nation gun laws?

you are doubling down on your comment it seems.

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The data speaks for itself. I say that statistics showing much higher crime rates in Texas as compared to New Jersey, on their face, are evidence that lax gun laws do not help to stop crime.


don't go to Texas, go to Texas, I don't care, but the fact there is a higher per capita violent crime rate in TX as opposed to NJ has zero to do with gun laws. google it, there has been proven a zero correlation between gun laws and violent crime.

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section125 : 7/16/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13529247 Hammer said:
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In comment 13529165 pjcas18 said:

Obviously, there are many more factors that have to be considered but, on their face, the FBI statistics say what they say, and they show much higher violent crime rates per capita in Texas than in New Jersey.

I am not going to engage in an in depth analysis of the topic. I will just restate my original position. I am just not going to Texas any time soon.


Better not go to California, Maryland or Illinois, either. Almost a 10% increase in violent crime in CA and just beneath Texas in events per 100k.
That was the eye opener.

Just a quick peruse, but Texas looks pretty much middle of the pack and just a bit worse than NY..
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Hammer : 7/16/2017 9:56 am : link
In comment 13529251 section125 said:
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In comment 13529165 pjcas18 said:

Obviously, there are many more factors that have to be considered but, on their face, the FBI statistics say what they say, and they show much higher violent crime rates per capita in Texas than in New Jersey.

I am not going to engage in an in depth analysis of the topic. I will just restate my original position. I am just not going to Texas any time soon.



Better not go to California, Maryland or Illinois, either. Almost a 10% increase in violent crime in CA and just beneath Texas in events per 100k.
That was the eye opener.

Just a quick peruse, but Texas looks pretty much middle of the pack and just a bit worse than NY..


Now that you mention it, I am going to California later this coming week and I think it is a pretty safe bet that I will not have to deal with a bunch of fucking morons carrying assault weapons into the restaurant in which I eating my meal.
Did that happen to  
section125 : 7/16/2017 10:04 am : link
you before? You seem quite pre-occupied with that happening. Guess if I saw that it might be "slightly" unnerving.

Anyway, have a safe flight out and back.
Well, on the football side  
JohnF : 7/16/2017 10:16 am : link
it's going to suck if you're on the Cowboys and Texans, and the Turk is coming.

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pjcas18 : 7/16/2017 11:05 am : link
In comment 13529272 Hammer said:
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In comment 13529247 Hammer said:


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In comment 13529165 pjcas18 said:

Obviously, there are many more factors that have to be considered but, on their face, the FBI statistics say what they say, and they show much higher violent crime rates per capita in Texas than in New Jersey.

I am not going to engage in an in depth analysis of the topic. I will just restate my original position. I am just not going to Texas any time soon.



Better not go to California, Maryland or Illinois, either. Almost a 10% increase in violent crime in CA and just beneath Texas in events per 100k.
That was the eye opener.

Just a quick peruse, but Texas looks pretty much middle of the pack and just a bit worse than NY..



Now that you mention it, I am going to California later this coming week and I think it is a pretty safe bet that I will not have to deal with a bunch of fucking morons carrying assault weapons into the restaurant in which I eating my meal.

Your ignorance is shining through again.

California is concealed carry only (for most municipalities), so someone may very well possibly have a firearm sitting right next to you in the restaurant while you're eating your meal and you'd never know it.

There are approximately 33 million guns owned in California, around 22 million in Texas.

Now consider the fact (according to jcn's chart) California has a higher rate of violent crime than Texas, I hope you enjoy yourself and don't get shot or stabbed.

Texas is one of the best places to live in the U.S.  
PatersonPlank : 7/16/2017 11:47 am : link
and I've lived in 6 states and many cities. This is for a variety of factors that I won't go into. However laying all this political crap on Texas because its a red state just pisses me off. Its far preferable to "blue states" like Illinois or CA. I am assuming where Hammers commments came from, if they didn't I apologize.
Pjcas, if this is true:  
Overseer : 7/16/2017 3:28 pm : link
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there has been proven a zero correlation between gun laws and violent crime

Then not only is it an argument against additional gun laws, it’s an argument for eliminating existing ones.

Consequently, would you argue for, e.g.:

Allowing any adult to be able to purchase a gun without a background check and without ID (beyond confirming 18+) at any corner store willing to sell them (as if they’re purchasing a pack of gum)? There are currently “gun laws” preventing that.

Allowing the sale at those corner stores of automatic guns like Uzis or military AK-47s? There are currently “gun laws” preventing that.

Doing so would presumably not affect the violent crime rate one iota, according to your contention. So why have any gun laws at all?

Be consistent with your statement that I quoted when you answer.

RE: Pjcas, if this is true:  
pjcas18 : 7/16/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13529443 Overseer said:
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there has been proven a zero correlation between gun laws and violent crime


Then not only is it an argument against additional gun laws, it’s an argument for eliminating existing ones.

Consequently, would you argue for, e.g.:

Allowing any adult to be able to purchase a gun without a background check and without ID (beyond confirming 18+) at any corner store willing to sell them (as if they’re purchasing a pack of gum)? There are currently “gun laws” preventing that.

Allowing the sale at those corner stores of automatic guns like Uzis or military AK-47s? There are currently “gun laws” preventing that.

Doing so would presumably not affect the violent crime rate one iota, according to your contention. So why have any gun laws at all?

Be consistent with your statement that I quoted when you answer.


Maybe you misunderstood my point or maybe I was not clear, I'm sure this Washington Post article can clear it up; it's op-ed, but cites factual information.

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Zero correlation between state homicide rate and state gun laws


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.....There’s been much talk recently — including from redacted for political reasons — about there being a substantial correlation between state-level gun death rates and state gun laws. Now correlation obviously doesn’t equal causation; there may be lots of other factors that are the true causes of both of the things that are being measured. But if we do look for now at correlation, it seems to me that the key question should focus on state total homicide rates, or perhaps (for reasons I describe below) total intentional homicide plus accidental gun death rates. And it turns out that there is essentially zero correlation between these numbers and state gun laws....




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Yes, you were unclear.  
Overseer : 7/16/2017 4:26 pm : link

The “state” part – which you did not specify in your 9:40pm or your 8:56am – is extremely relevant.

You're no doubt familiar with the concept of an “Iron Pipeline”.

You no doubt know that Chicago to Indiana is less than 50 miles.

Do you know that “90 percent of guns found at New York City crime scenes […] originate out of state” (Source)

Say Wyoming completely prohibits by law cotton candy, but there remains an enormous demand (for both anodyne & nefarious reasons).

Colorado has virtually no laws prohibiting cotton candy. Anyone can buy it almost anywhere.

What do you suppose those from Wyoming who want cotton candy are going to do?

Your unclear contention highlights the (agreed) virtual futility of state gun laws and is in fact a textbook argument for Federal regulations which apply to every inch of all 50 states. One can fairly debate what the scope of said laws should be, but they decidedly supersede what we’ve established are futile state ones.

If your only point was to refute Hammer’s own point about NJ (state) laws vs TX (state) laws, then fair enough.

But your point is just as 1 dimensional.

RE: Yes, you were unclear.  
pjcas18 : 7/16/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13529482 Overseer said:
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The “state” part – which you did not specify in your 9:40pm or your 8:56am – is extremely relevant.

You're no doubt familiar with the concept of an “Iron Pipeline”.

You no doubt know that Chicago to Indiana is less than 50 miles.

Do you know that “90 percent of guns found at New York City crime scenes […] originate out of state” (Source)

Say Wyoming completely prohibits by law cotton candy, but there remains an enormous demand (for both anodyne & nefarious reasons).

Colorado has virtually no laws prohibiting cotton candy. Anyone can buy it almost anywhere.

What do you suppose those from Wyoming who want cotton candy are going to do?

Your unclear contention highlights the (agreed) virtual futility of state gun laws and is in fact a textbook argument for Federal regulations which apply to every inch of all 50 states. One can fairly debate what the scope of said laws should be, but they decidedly supersede what we’ve established are futile state ones.

If your only point was to refute Hammer’s own point about NJ (state) laws vs TX (state) laws, then fair enough.

But your point is just as 1 dimensional.


Well this is what happens when you jump into a thread mid-stream and make comments without context. The state part was implied and relevant throughout my replies, but when you read one answer I can see how you were confused or misunderstood the point.

My post was in response to a one-dimensional comment based on a chart posted previously in the thread:

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Wow. Texas and New Jersey look to be on different planets in regard to crime.

Thanks for the link. I'll use it the next time someone tells me that open and concealed carry makes for a safer society

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Obviously, there are many more factors that have to be considered but, on their face, the FBI statistics say what they say, and they show much higher violent crime rates per capita in Texas than in New Jersey.

I am not going to engage in an in depth analysis of the topic. I will just restate my original position. I am just not going to Texas any time soon.



Better not go to California, Maryland or Illinois, either. Almost a 10% increase in violent crime in CA and just beneath Texas in events per 100k.
That was the eye opener.

Just a quick peruse, but Texas looks pretty much middle of the pack and just a bit worse than NY..



Now that you mention it, I am going to California later this coming week and I think it is a pretty safe bet that I will not have to deal with a bunch of fucking morons carrying assault weapons into the restaurant in which I eating my meal.


Your ignorance is shining through again.

California is concealed carry only (for most municipalities), so someone may very well possibly have a firearm sitting right next to you in the restaurant while you're eating your meal and you'd never know it.

There are approximately 33 million guns owned in California, around 22 million in Texas.

Now consider the fact (according to jcn's chart) California has a higher rate of violent crime than Texas, I hope you enjoy yourself and don't get shot or stabbed.


I'm ignorant? Ok. Your an asshole. We're even.
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WideRight : 7/18/2017 8:50 am : link
There is a correlation between gun laws, murder rates and crime.

The likely cause of the lack of correlation in the States is interstate commerce and uneven law enforcement.
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pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 9:26 am : link
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There is a correlation between gun laws, murder rates and crime.

The likely cause of the lack of correlation in the States is interstate commerce and uneven law enforcement.


If you say so, and it has nothing to do with either posts in this thread by Hammer or me.
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