But are reluctant to include Clint Frazier, Gleyber Torres. Link
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According to that, I wouldn't say they are "in" on Sonny Gray. A bit of a stretch IMO.
that are ABSOLUTELY untouchable. And Frazier and Torres are two of them. I would add Rutherford, Kaprielian, and Chance Adams to the list of untouchables.
Since we have to trim the prospects down to keep within the 40 man roster before the Rule 5 draft, the Yanks have to let some guys go. And Torres and Frazier aren't two of them!
Maybe a package of Mateo and Sheffield would work and throw in Dustin Fowler since we have more outfielders than we can ever use. Especially if the Yankees are serious about going after Harper, which I think is a big mistake.
Worked out pretty well the first time.
Is going to claim the Yankees were willing to give them top prospects. Especially when they want to enrich an offer they do have in hand.
Rutherford and MTeo plus 3 middle range prospects. But that's just me.
Look at it this way...Judge is our RF. Fraiser is our future LF. AND I believe that Florial is our future CF. Hicks and Ellsbury can play it till he is ready in 2020(ish). That makes Rutherford the odd man out and Mateo is playing better but Castro is our 2b going foward. Torres should be 3b. Fowler might be our future 4th OF.
All you "stay the course" we still are.
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| Worked out pretty well the first time.
He has a full no trade clause.
Analyze what we would want for Torres and Frazier. It's a lot more than Grey in my mind.
and the reluctance is good news.
Yes there are some log-jams and Rule V to juggle. But we need value for these top prospects.
Except for Rule V issues, I would wait.
Gray will be out of baseball by 2020. You can't give up up anything of high value for a player that is so obviously going to be injured on and off
Cooper cautions against overpaying for Gray. Called him a #3 for a contender.
Today I say absolutely not. Now we know we are another starter away with Pineda done, a 1b away with bird likely done and 1-2 relievers away with clippard falling off a cliff. Too many pieces to fill to be considered a serious contender today versus 25 games ago.
Cashman is not doing this, he is not giving away top prospects, he told us that and he has always been upfront with the fans. We are in the evaluation mode, not the win now mode. Patience, Patience, Patience.
At his stats the last two seasons, including this season, they are not close to matching his three previous seasons. There is no way I trade for this guy right now and give up top prospects.
And there is the problem-he hasn't been healthy for any extended period. Stay the course, if someone comes cheap then get him, otherwise the future is bright so don't trade it away!
Maybe we should pick up Pablo Sandoval for minimum salary and put him at first. Couldn't be any worse than what we've run out there so far. Does he still have a third baseman's arm ? Maybe he can pitch. He probably throws harder than Clippard and more accurately than Chapman.
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Ron from Ninerland said:
| Maybe we should pick up Pablo Sandoval for minimum salary and put him at first. Couldn't be any worse than what we've run out there so far. Does he still have a third baseman's arm ? Maybe he can pitch. He probably throws harder than Clippard and more accurately than Chapman.
He can't play def anymore and he is not an upgrade over Gradley.
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Ron from Ninerland said:
| Maybe we should pick up Pablo Sandoval for minimum salary and put him at first.
Yeah, great. It would be all good if you could pry him away from the buffet to play....
he won't panic and over pay for a short term attempted fix. However I am not at all confident that Cashman will have final call on the deadline. Fortunately for us fans Hal is more worried about the bottom line and getting under the tax than he is winning. So hopefully the Levine/Trost fascist group won't have enough influence to control the deadline because Hal will keep the checkbook shut. But that doesn't mean they can't influence horrible trades for low money contracts. We all know they will try. YES ratings up 57% this year over 2016. The highest ratings in 5 years. The fascists will use the pressure to keep the ratings up as leverage. Another break for us fans is the Mets totally shitting the bed. If the Mets were a playoff team Hal would probably cave more easily.
talking about would get Chris Sale, not Sonny Gray. He'd never give up his top prospects for someone who is not a #1 starter.
to veto trades or to make them? I hope he does but Stein Kids history says he may not.
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| to veto trades or to make them? I hope he does but Stein Kids history says he may not.
Hal only approves or disapproves trades that Cashman presents to him. He's not a guy who goes out and finds trades himself.
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| that are ABSOLUTELY untouchable. And Frazier and Torres are two of them. I would add Rutherford, Kaprielian, and Chance Adams to the list of untouchables.
If you go into trade discussions with five untouchables, you will not come out of it with anything but fringe players (and certainly not a top of the rotation starting pitcher). I agree that Torres needs to remain untouchable but they should decide between Frazier and Rutherford (and make the other available) and the same goes for Adams, Kaprielian, and Sheffield (meaning keep the one you prize the most and make the other two available). So in my world I've reduced your five untouchables to three untouchables, which is probably still too many untouchables to land the likes of Sonny Gray or Gerrit Cole (assuming the Yankees view either of the two as frontline starters going forward).
p.s.--Also, it's hard to tell how the Yankees view a wildcard like Florial compared to Rutherford and Frazier and the same goes for an up-and-down-up-again prospect like Mateo. Yankees management and the pro scouting community may rank their prospects very differently than what we're hearing from the media consensus.