“I feel like I’d been lulled into a different pace,” Coster-Waldau says. “Everything happened quicker than I’m used to … a lot of things that normally take a season now take one episode.”
Agrees Jon Snow actor Kit Harington: “This season is really different than any other season because it’s accelerating toward the end, a lot of stuff collides and happens much much quicker than you’re used to seeing on Thrones … it’s so different than what everybody is used to. It’s quite exciting.”
1. Mormont (of the Night Watch) indicated to Jon that he knew Craster was giving up his boys to the White Walkers. But, he also seemed to not know the walkers / wights were around.
Was that just a story-telling error?
2. If the wall repels the undead, why is there any concern that the walkers will ever come south? Did Bran really ever need to go north of the wall to find the Raven?
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1. Mormont (of the Night Watch) indicated to Jon that he knew Craster was giving up his boys to the White Walkers. But, he also seemed to not know the walkers / wights were around.
Was that just a story-telling error?
2. If the wall repels the undead, why is there any concern that the walkers will ever come south? Did Bran really ever need to go north of the wall to find the Raven?
1. Probably one of those things where it was out of sight out of mind. Morning was dealing with dwindling numbers and a threat of widlings, the white walkers likely didn't seem real enough.
2. They say the horn can take the wall down but the wall is also weak if it isn't fortified by men. With many of he castles unmanned it seems like the wall is super vulnerable. They also have Giants now as well.
Yes, she was in the same castle Stannis was occupying but it's also the Targaryan castle. This is where all her ancestors lived and where she was born. Her and her brother had to flee across the narrow see when Robert Baratheon took over.
It must have been very emotional to finally return home to the place she grew up after being gone for so long.
Who will Iron Islands guy kill to earn Cersei's trust?
Jon Snow and Sansa going at it in front of everyone - with littlefinger watching. Who is right - I think Jon is right to try and unite the north but it's a fine line
Why spend so much time with the Hound and a family he robbed? Is that father/daughter going to be white walkers next episode and kill him?
I assume that was Jorah that reached out to Sam at the end?
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He's saying Stannis would not have left for the North with no one protecting his only remaining stronghold. If he is successful in the North and someone just walks into Dragonstone he has to now go and take it back by force
1.) Stannis marched north... He needed every man possible for his cause. He wasn't going to leave people behind to defend a castle that wasn't even his.
2.) Why didn't Cersei claim it? Why would she? She has a skeleton crew that's barely able to defend Kings Landing right now and she is surrounded by enemies everywhere.
Good episode, starting with a great opening scene with Arya finishes Â
The Jon Snow/Sansa angst is weird...Littlefingers question was a good one - what exactly does she want? Good for Jon to shut her up at the council with the other Northerners
Love the Hound and the Brotherhood teaming up. And Euron stole the episode with his scene with Cersei and Jamie. I'm here with a thousand ships...and two hands. Lol. Looks like he's going to be great as the new awful bad guy to replace Ramsay.
Overall the episode set the chessboard up quickly, about what was expected.
It's largely unimportant other than sentimental value Â
to Targaryens, except for the obvious spoilers that happened during Sam's appearance. The conversation with the Maester was supposed to remind the viewer that the world has largely forgotten anything having to do with the white walkers.
How were there no squatters? For such a valuable piece of property and strategic launching point, makes zero sense that it would just be empty. I'll just chalk this up ti a writing oversight.
Also don't feel this was slow at all. Sure it was a setup episode, but it's the fn opener. They took the fallout from the last few episodes and neatly lined everything into place in one hour, typically this took half the season.
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He's saying Stannis would not have left for the North with no one protecting his only remaining stronghold. If he is successful in the North and someone just walks into Dragonstone he has to now go and take it back by force
Maybe we were watching different television shows. Stannis needed every single soldier imaginable to come with him. Dragonstone is a massive place. He would have had to leave behind hundreds of soldiers to defend that place. Seems absolutely pointless. Stannis wanted to rule the Iron Throne. He was either going to take it and live there or die trying.
How were there no squatters? For such a valuable piece of property and strategic launching point, makes zero sense that it would just be empty. I'll just chalk this up ti a writing oversight.
Also don't feel this was slow at all. Sure it was a setup episode, but it's the fn opener. They took the fallout from the last few episodes and neatly lined everything into place in one hour, typically this took half the season.
Who's going to squat there with no food and water? What specific group would want to be there? Everyone remaining has there own castles and territories.
I can think of another place that's likely deserted too. Herrenhal or however its pronounced. The place Tywin took over temporarily and setup camp.
the same TV show and you just don't go and leave one of the most strategic launching points in all of Westeros unmanned. You said the castle wasn't even his, it was given to him by his brother Robert years ago. The castle is his. Not to mention Stannis while at the wall said I have tons of dragon glass at Dragonstone.. and yet he didn't send anyone to mine it?
It's a volcanic island that can't sustain much more than a fishing Â
the same TV show and you just don't go and leave one of the most strategic launching points in all of Westeros unmanned. You said the castle wasn't even his, it was given to him by his brother Robert years ago. The castle is his. Not to mention Stannis while at the wall said I have tons of dragon glass at Dragonstone.. and yet he didn't send anyone to mine it?
lol. Ok. Wow. Let' just agree to disagree. Stannis barely had an army left at the end. It was pathetic. But he was supposed to send half of them back to some far off castle to keep for strategic purposes? And yeah Robert gave it to him after he seized it and took it from the Targaryans. Big whoop. I doubt Stannis had any attachment to the place.
How were there no squatters? For such a valuable piece of property and strategic launching point, makes zero sense that it would just be empty. I'll just chalk this up ti a writing oversight.
Also don't feel this was slow at all. Sure it was a setup episode, but it's the fn opener. They took the fallout from the last few episodes and neatly lined everything into place in one hour, typically this took half the season.
Who's going to squat there with no food and water? What specific group would want to be there? Everyone remaining has there own castles and territories.
I can think of another place that's likely deserted too. Herrenhal or however its pronounced. The place Tywin took over temporarily and setup camp.
It's the perfect launching point for a military campaign on kings landing, so first and foremost, the incumbents would do everything to secure it.
Do you think the US would just abandon Hawaii or Puerto Rico if they were limited in resources? Of course not. Even if they were that stupid, an enemy would occupy it for the obvious reasons. Even if the enemy were that stupid, an ally would for negotiating leverage. A loose analogy but it still holds. Just lazy.
I really enjoy the show, so I'm not going to dwell on it, but definitely an oversight by the writers.
Holy shit. lol. Most of Stannis's army was defeated in Blackwater Bay by Tyrion. He had a few hundred soldiers when he went north. But yeah! Let's leave them to defend Hawaii!
You guys are overthinking the Dragonstone debate Â
Stannis used it as a staging point, but his goal was never to hold it. He was consumed with his attack on Westeros. The Lannisters may have been smart enough to defend it, but then Tywin was killed and it took a while for Cersei to rise to power, and then they were too busy taking back Riverrun to divert part of their army to Dragonstone.
They've all known Daenerys is coming...but the other houses have been so busy fighting amongst themselves that none of them have been in a position to consolidate power and consider how best to defend Westeros against the coming Targaryen invasion
If anything, maybe the part of Stannis's army that deserted outside Winterfell would have gone back there, but why would they be motivated to defend it having abandoned Stannis's cause already?
It's only a mark because the show is typically a lot smarter, so I hold it to a higher standard. I would just expect one of the players in the story to see the miliatary importance of an empty fucking island right outside the capital. I didn't go to West Point, but kinda common sense.
That too. Stannis hoped John would join him but he really just bought into being "the one" so much that he didn't really care about the numbers. Ultimately, it lead him to his doom.
I am still curious if he's alive somehow. They never actually showed Brianne kill him which was odd for this show.
It's only a mark because the show is typically a lot smarter, so I hold it to a higher standard. I would just expect one of the players in the story to see the miliatary importance of an empty fucking island right outside the capital. I didn't go to West Point, but kinda common sense.
Ok. Well I hear your point and I dont agree at all. It is 1000% logical for it to be abandoned in my opinion. And Dragonstone and Kings Landing are not on top of each other. It's no closer to Kings Landing than Riverrun or Storms End.
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1.) Stannis marched north... He needed every man possible for his cause. He wasn't going to leave people behind to defend a castle that wasn't even his.
2.) Why didn't Cersei claim it? Why would she? She has a skeleton crew that's barely able to defend Kings Landing right now and she is surrounded by enemies everywhere.
Pretty much this. Stannis suffered a brutal defeat when he unsuccessfully tried to take King's Landing. When he went north he needed every able bodied fighter bc of the potential wildling threat and the Bolton's. Besides, what would leaving some bullshit crew at Dragonstone accomplish? Who would they be able to hold off?
Same issue with Cersei's army. They have legitimate threats in every direction -- it's all hands on deck to protect King's Landing. Why waste bodies at Dragonstone?
Regardless, very minor issue to bitch about. Best case it's a gratuitous blood bath where the holders get massacred by her army.
Enjoyed the episode. Planted the seeds for some conflict between Jon and Sansa. With Bran at the wall now, I wonder if what he knows gets to Baelish who uses it to create a situation in the North.
while it was still occupied by the remaining Targaryan's who fled King's Landing.
it was not a staging point (or at least that wasn't the intent).
Before Stannis captured dragonstone Daenerys and Viserys were "smuggled" to bravos.
Any emotion Daenerys felt from returning isn't because of the place she grew up in, she was probably 3 or 4 when she went to bravos, at least IMO.
at least that's how I remember it.
It's probably abandoned because #1 Stannis army is gone and if there was anyone there they probably fond a way to bolt when they see all the unsullied, dothraki, and dragons approaching.
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For you, and you think the island being vacant is an writers oversight. Granted I have read the books and understand the scale of th NFS, but the show has done an incredible job keeping everyone filled in. I mean common there has been all out world war pretty much since the end of season one! Westeros is nearly at the point where they can't possibly even go on any further. The whole episode this was alluded too as well. Jamie pointed it out to Cersei, the Brotherhood without banners around the campfire with Arya, at the table with Jon in the North. Everyone is sick of years and years of war and famine. The show has highlighted this multiple times, if that went over your head then maybe it's just to complicated of a story for you, stick to the network sitcoms I guess.
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It's only a mark because the show is typically a lot smarter, so I hold it to a higher standard. I would just expect one of the players in the story to see the miliatary importance of an empty fucking island right outside the capital. I didn't go to West Point, but kinda common sense.
Ok. Well I hear your point and I dont agree at all. It is 1000% logical for it to be abandoned in my opinion. And Dragonstone and Kings Landing are not on top of each other. It's no closer to Kings Landing than Riverrun or Storms End.
That's fair. It's a legit gripe, doesn't really deserve the lol treadment. There's only 12 episodes so it's possible they had to cut a few corners to fast track the narrative.
Like I said, I enjoy the show and will continue to enjoy it. I like to lose myself in a story, so after asking why the hell Ed Sheeran was in Westeros, I didn't need to be questioning that.
Agrees Jon Snow actor Kit Harington: “This season is really different than any other season because it’s accelerating toward the end, a lot of stuff collides and happens much much quicker than you’re used to seeing on Thrones … it’s so different than what everybody is used to. It’s quite exciting.”
A few questions came up for me on the rewatch:
1. Mormont (of the Night Watch) indicated to Jon that he knew Craster was giving up his boys to the White Walkers. But, he also seemed to not know the walkers / wights were around.
Was that just a story-telling error?
2. If the wall repels the undead, why is there any concern that the walkers will ever come south? Did Bran really ever need to go north of the wall to find the Raven?
A few questions came up for me on the rewatch:
1. Mormont (of the Night Watch) indicated to Jon that he knew Craster was giving up his boys to the White Walkers. But, he also seemed to not know the walkers / wights were around.
Was that just a story-telling error?
2. If the wall repels the undead, why is there any concern that the walkers will ever come south? Did Bran really ever need to go north of the wall to find the Raven?
1. Probably one of those things where it was out of sight out of mind. Morning was dealing with dwindling numbers and a threat of widlings, the white walkers likely didn't seem real enough.
2. They say the horn can take the wall down but the wall is also weak if it isn't fortified by men. With many of he castles unmanned it seems like the wall is super vulnerable. They also have Giants now as well.
Yes, Dragonstone. That was where Stannis was first planning his attacks, same table, etc.
I'd imagine he and Daenerys are more prominently featured next week.
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was Dany at the end of the show? Dragonstone Island or whatever?
Yes, Dragonstone. That was where Stannis was first planning his attacks, same table, etc.
Cool, thanks. I thought it looked familiar.
Still very well done and if this season goes the way I think it will, it was likely necessary. Arya finishing off all the Freys was awesome.
Looks like she is about to meet up with Nymeria again based on the preview.
Definitely was right on Euron. I wonder what the present will be. A Stark's head? Arya? Yikes.
Really???? Wow, we see things differently. I friggin loved it. Great opening, setting the table for all the fronts.
huh? Stannis and all his men are dead.
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Was pretty boring. Hopefully next week is better
Really???? Wow, we see things differently. I friggin loved it. Great opening, setting the table for all the fronts.
Im a fanboy but once that Sam montage hit it was pretty bad imo. Arya scenes were the best part.
It must have been very emotional to finally return home to the place she grew up after being gone for so long.
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huh? Stannis and all his men are dead.
I realize the writers wanted to make it easy for Dany, but Stannis would never just leave Dragonstone unoccupied.
And if he did, why didn't the Lannisters go take it?
Jon Snow and Sansa going at it in front of everyone - with littlefinger watching. Who is right - I think Jon is right to try and unite the north but it's a fine line
Why spend so much time with the Hound and a family he robbed? Is that father/daughter going to be white walkers next episode and kill him?
I assume that was Jorah that reached out to Sam at the end?
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huh? Stannis and all his men are dead.
He's saying Stannis would not have left for the North with no one protecting his only remaining stronghold. If he is successful in the North and someone just walks into Dragonstone he has to now go and take it back by force
I assume that was Jorah that reached out to Sam at the end?
Yes, that was Jorah.
The Hound's story just definitely took a weird turn.
2.) Why didn't Cersei claim it? Why would she? She has a skeleton crew that's barely able to defend Kings Landing right now and she is surrounded by enemies everywhere.
Love the Hound and the Brotherhood teaming up. And Euron stole the episode with his scene with Cersei and Jamie. I'm here with a thousand ships...and two hands. Lol. Looks like he's going to be great as the new awful bad guy to replace Ramsay.
Overall the episode set the chessboard up quickly, about what was expected.
Also don't feel this was slow at all. Sure it was a setup episode, but it's the fn opener. They took the fallout from the last few episodes and neatly lined everything into place in one hour, typically this took half the season.
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huh? Stannis and all his men are dead.
He's saying Stannis would not have left for the North with no one protecting his only remaining stronghold. If he is successful in the North and someone just walks into Dragonstone he has to now go and take it back by force
Maybe we were watching different television shows. Stannis needed every single soldier imaginable to come with him. Dragonstone is a massive place. He would have had to leave behind hundreds of soldiers to defend that place. Seems absolutely pointless. Stannis wanted to rule the Iron Throne. He was either going to take it and live there or die trying.
Also don't feel this was slow at all. Sure it was a setup episode, but it's the fn opener. They took the fallout from the last few episodes and neatly lined everything into place in one hour, typically this took half the season.
Who's going to squat there with no food and water? What specific group would want to be there? Everyone remaining has there own castles and territories.
I can think of another place that's likely deserted too. Herrenhal or however its pronounced. The place Tywin took over temporarily and setup camp.
And Stannis didn't want it. He took being awarded Dragonstone as a personal insult. It's why he and Robert didn't speak.
lol. Ok. Wow. Let' just agree to disagree. Stannis barely had an army left at the end. It was pathetic. But he was supposed to send half of them back to some far off castle to keep for strategic purposes? And yeah Robert gave it to him after he seized it and took it from the Targaryans. Big whoop. I doubt Stannis had any attachment to the place.
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How were there no squatters? For such a valuable piece of property and strategic launching point, makes zero sense that it would just be empty. I'll just chalk this up ti a writing oversight.
Also don't feel this was slow at all. Sure it was a setup episode, but it's the fn opener. They took the fallout from the last few episodes and neatly lined everything into place in one hour, typically this took half the season.
Who's going to squat there with no food and water? What specific group would want to be there? Everyone remaining has there own castles and territories.
I can think of another place that's likely deserted too. Herrenhal or however its pronounced. The place Tywin took over temporarily and setup camp.
It's the perfect launching point for a military campaign on kings landing, so first and foremost, the incumbents would do everything to secure it.
Do you think the US would just abandon Hawaii or Puerto Rico if they were limited in resources? Of course not. Even if they were that stupid, an enemy would occupy it for the obvious reasons. Even if the enemy were that stupid, an ally would for negotiating leverage. A loose analogy but it still holds. Just lazy.
I really enjoy the show, so I'm not going to dwell on it, but definitely an oversight by the writers.
You could hear Jon speaking Ned Stark's words and Sansa speaking with Cersei's voice.
Sansa had a good point. Jon needs to be smarter than Ned or Robb.
And Stannis didn't want it. He took being awarded Dragonstone as a personal insult. It's why he and Robert didn't speak.
This.
It's a show about zombies and dragons.
They've all known Daenerys is coming...but the other houses have been so busy fighting amongst themselves that none of them have been in a position to consolidate power and consider how best to defend Westeros against the coming Targaryen invasion
If anything, maybe the part of Stannis's army that deserted outside Winterfell would have gone back there, but why would they be motivated to defend it having abandoned Stannis's cause already?
That too. Stannis hoped John would join him but he really just bought into being "the one" so much that he didn't really care about the numbers. Ultimately, it lead him to his doom.
I am still curious if he's alive somehow. They never actually showed Brianne kill him which was odd for this show.
Ok. Well I hear your point and I dont agree at all. It is 1000% logical for it to be abandoned in my opinion. And Dragonstone and Kings Landing are not on top of each other. It's no closer to Kings Landing than Riverrun or Storms End.
2.) Why didn't Cersei claim it? Why would she? She has a skeleton crew that's barely able to defend Kings Landing right now and she is surrounded by enemies everywhere.
Pretty much this. Stannis suffered a brutal defeat when he unsuccessfully tried to take King's Landing. When he went north he needed every able bodied fighter bc of the potential wildling threat and the Bolton's. Besides, what would leaving some bullshit crew at Dragonstone accomplish? Who would they be able to hold off?
Same issue with Cersei's army. They have legitimate threats in every direction -- it's all hands on deck to protect King's Landing. Why waste bodies at Dragonstone?
Regardless, very minor issue to bitch about. Best case it's a gratuitous blood bath where the holders get massacred by her army.
Enjoyed the episode. Planted the seeds for some conflict between Jon and Sansa. With Bran at the wall now, I wonder if what he knows gets to Baelish who uses it to create a situation in the North.
it was not a staging point (or at least that wasn't the intent).
Before Stannis captured dragonstone Daenerys and Viserys were "smuggled" to bravos.
Any emotion Daenerys felt from returning isn't because of the place she grew up in, she was probably 3 or 4 when she went to bravos, at least IMO.
at least that's how I remember it.
It's probably abandoned because #1 Stannis army is gone and if there was anyone there they probably fond a way to bolt when they see all the unsullied, dothraki, and dragons approaching.
same here.
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when he mentioned his gift for Cersei.
same here.
I would think Euron's "gift" would still be on a ship.
Who did we not see enter Dragonstone ?
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It's only a mark because the show is typically a lot smarter, so I hold it to a higher standard. I would just expect one of the players in the story to see the miliatary importance of an empty fucking island right outside the capital. I didn't go to West Point, but kinda common sense.
Ok. Well I hear your point and I dont agree at all. It is 1000% logical for it to be abandoned in my opinion. And Dragonstone and Kings Landing are not on top of each other. It's no closer to Kings Landing than Riverrun or Storms End.
That's fair. It's a legit gripe, doesn't really deserve the lol treadment. There's only 12 episodes so it's possible they had to cut a few corners to fast track the narrative.
Like I said, I enjoy the show and will continue to enjoy it. I like to lose myself in a story, so after asking why the hell Ed Sheeran was in Westeros, I didn't need to be questioning that.