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the prototype : 7/16/2017 12:17 pm
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Cant see Euron taking Tyrion's head  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:20 pm : link
He has dragons and two armies by his side. Impossible. Sadly I think it's going to be Arya's head. She is heading to Kings Landing to kill Cersei. We know from the prophesy it wont happen. Euron stops her and wins Cersei's trust IMO.
All good Aces  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:20 pm : link
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RE: Even if Daenys was 3 or 4 years old.  
pjcas18 : 7/16/2017 11:21 pm : link
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She wouldn't be emotional to return to the home of all her ancestors? Her parents? Disagree.


possible. I'm just not sure how much a 3 or 4 year old remembers of their home that age.

She was definitely emotional, I think it was more all the shit she's been through to finally reclaim the land she was forced from or that he quest is starting to become real.
RE: Cant see Euron taking Tyrion's head  
PEEJ : 7/16/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13529759 ZGiants98 said:
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He has dragons and two armies by his side. Impossible. Sadly I think it's going to be Arya's head. She is heading to Kings Landing to kill Cersei. We know from the prophesy it wont happen. Euron stops her and wins Cersei's trust IMO.


I don't think Euron can sail to the Riverlands
To the best of my recollection  
PEEJ : 7/16/2017 11:24 pm : link
Danerys was smuggled off Dragonstone as a newborn during a hellacious storm, hence, Danerys Stormborn
I assume Euron as well is likely targeting Tyrion  
beatrixkiddo : 7/16/2017 11:24 pm : link
Their whole conversation was about her not trusting him for murdering his own family members, and Euron knows how she feels about Tyrion. I can see him probably kidnapping him and bringing him back to KL for one last Lannister family reunion.

Loved the opening, such perfect revenge, especially with them eliminating Lady Stoneheart in the show, pretty much closed up the Frey payback storyline.

Deep down I want to say Sansa trusts Jon, and will do the right thing and not be blinded by her own personal agenda for vengeance and what not. But Littlefinger is bad news around her, and leaves me overly cautious.

Can't wait till Bran and Jon finally meet again. Looking forward to that big time.
I'll be disappointed if Jon Snow and Arya never cross paths.  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2017 11:25 pm : link
That's the reunion I've looked forward to the most.
RE: RE: Even if Daenys was 3 or 4 years old.  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:25 pm : link
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She wouldn't be emotional to return to the home of all her ancestors? Her parents? Disagree.



possible. I'm just not sure how much a 3 or 4 year old remembers of their home that age.

She was definitely emotional, I think it was more all the shit she's been through to finally reclaim the land she was forced from or that he quest is starting to become real.


Didn't her brother talk about Dragonstone in season 1? Also, the only book I read (Book 1) she has flashbacks of leaving there as a child doesn't she? I know I said no book spoilers but I dont think that would be one.
RE: RE: Cant see Euron taking Tyrion's head  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:26 pm : link
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He has dragons and two armies by his side. Impossible. Sadly I think it's going to be Arya's head. She is heading to Kings Landing to kill Cersei. We know from the prophesy it wont happen. Euron stops her and wins Cersei's trust IMO.



I don't think Euron can sail to the Riverlands


Why would he have to sail to the Riverlands? Arya said she was on her way to Kings Landing?
Yeah, Bran and Jon's another good one.  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2017 11:26 pm : link
They've had some close calls already.
The gift  
pjcas18 : 7/16/2017 11:27 pm : link
from Euron seems to hint at being an enemy of cersei's, alive or dead.

Tryion, Sansa, Jon Snow, any remaining Tyrell's Euron made a comment about how she should try killing her bother.

maybe foreshadowing.

more I think about it Samwell Tarly could be the one to save westeros.

He's going to tell Jon via Raven that he needs to get to dragonstone to get the dragon glass and there jon and daenerys will meet and from their maybe form an alliance or some agreement.

RE: I figured Euron was speaking of Tyrion's head  
Mike from SI : 7/16/2017 11:28 pm : link
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when he mentioned his gift for Cersei.


This was the clear implication in my mind.
RE: RE: RE: Even if Daenys was 3 or 4 years old.  
pjcas18 : 7/16/2017 11:30 pm : link
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She wouldn't be emotional to return to the home of all her ancestors? Her parents? Disagree.



possible. I'm just not sure how much a 3 or 4 year old remembers of their home that age.

She was definitely emotional, I think it was more all the shit she's been through to finally reclaim the land she was forced from or that he quest is starting to become real.



Didn't her brother talk about Dragonstone in season 1? Also, the only book I read (Book 1) she has flashbacks of leaving there as a child doesn't she? I know I said no book spoilers but I dont think that would be one.


It's not a big deal, I just don't think someone who lived somewhere until 3 or 4 (and it wasn't even 3 or 4 years since she fled Kings' Landing to go there) qualifies as "place she grew up" I think she spent more time in Bravos than Dragonstone.

again, not a big deal, agree she was emotional and probably a lot of reasons.

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It must have been very emotional to finally return home to the place she grew up after being gone for so long
look, when the boss died and the paychecks dried up  
SHO'NUFF : 7/16/2017 11:31 pm : link
the remaining soldiers at Dragonstone deserted their posts.

Would you keep coming to work if your weren't being paid?
I agree the first thought would be Tyrion  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:34 pm : link
I just dont see how it's logical. He is protected by hundreds and thousands of soldiers and dragons.

Also. Arya is also an enemy clearly. If Cersei finds out she is responsible for killing all the Freys, their last remaining ally, she will absolutely want her dead.

The whole prospect of her going there has me feeling uneasy. If the prophecy is correct, Arya will fail.
Why would Euron kidnap someone  
beatrixkiddo : 7/16/2017 11:35 pm : link
No one even knows exists? Area Stark is a faceless assasin, who everyone has long forgot about in Westeros. The Lannisters were dumbfounded as to how all the Freys got killed, they would laugh if anyone said it was Arya Stark.

By all indications he was referring to Tyrion, they exhausted conversation over him killing off members of his family and he suggesting she do it more. He also knows how much she despises Tyrion.

I don't think Arya makes it back to KL, I think something else may come along and change her plans. I have to revisit who is still alive on her list,obviously Jamie and Cersei, but there are others she needs to work her way up through first.
RE: RE: Cant see Euron taking Tyrion's head  
Mike from SI : 7/16/2017 11:36 pm : link
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He has dragons and two armies by his side. Impossible. Sadly I think it's going to be Arya's head. She is heading to Kings Landing to kill Cersei. We know from the prophesy it wont happen. Euron stops her and wins Cersei's trust IMO.



I don't think Euron can sail to the Riverlands


In the World of Ice and Fire--the history of Westeros coffee-table book that I was nerdy enough to read--the Iron Islanders do sail into the Riverlands. In fact, until Aegon came, the Riverlands were usually ruled by the Baratheons, Iron Islanders, or (I think) Lannisters. The Riverlands didn't become "self-ruled" until the Tullys threw their lot in with the Targaryens. That said, I don't know why Euron would have any reason to go there.

As to Dragonstone, it was a small fishing village. The native islanders didn't put up a fight when Aegon came, they didn't put up a fight when the Baratheons took over, and it makes no sense for them to put up a fight now. There was no reason for Stannis to leave soldiers there--his ancestral home is Storm's End and Dragonstone is not that valuable a piece of real estate other than as a launching point into King's Landing (which he no longer had the ships to do). And as others have said, the Lannisters didn't have the army to protect King's Landing.
I thought it was a very well-written episode.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/16/2017 11:37 pm : link
I find Sam's storyline boring as hell, so I don't expect much when he's on the screen. But I found everything else compelling for one reason or another.

Cersei and Jamie haven't been of the same mind on anything for a long time. And now Cersei has emotionally detached herself from their kids, and that will push Jamie further away. If Cersei loses Jamie, she's got nothing -- other than FrankenMountain.
RE: look, when the boss died and the paychecks dried up  
AcesUp : 7/16/2017 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13529775 SHO'NUFF said:
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the remaining soldiers at Dragonstone deserted their posts.

Would you keep coming to work if your weren't being paid?


Maybe the North? If they're too busy I'd figure the Tyrell's would devote some of their unlimited resources or the ladies of dorne would occupy it as well. Hell, the people of the Iron islands would look to occupy it for leverage into marrying into the crown. I mean the place doesn't even exist in reality and I wanted to grab it as a rental property. We're talking about common sense here. I've already written it off as an oversight or narrative necessity given how much time and budget we have left, but it can't be explained away like this.
Yeah I think Arya winds up going to Winterfell.  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2017 11:42 pm : link
Obviously something happens to change her course, and who knows what that may be. The only way that prophecy holds true with Arya doing the deed is if she's wearing Jaime or Tyrion's face. I feel like they'd be overplaying that hand a bit though.
I suspect Euron will miraculously capture Tyrion in a surprise attack  
beatrixkiddo : 7/16/2017 11:42 pm : link
Probably foiled by one of the Ironborne with Asha and Theon, we know that they are planning for an attack against Cersei somewhere. I think Euron gets tipped off, targets Tyrion and kidnaps him alive. He won't kill him,he will leave Cersei the pleasure to do that. And IMO, that may be the straw that breaks Jamie's back and ultimately names him Queenslayer in the end. Just my hunch.
Also, there wasn't a navy to defend it.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/16/2017 11:44 pm : link
Based on information from previous episodes, it is known that Stannis's fleet numbers 200 ships, including 30 sellsail vessels commanded by Salladhor Saan. They outnumber the royal fleet 10-1, indicating that the royal fleet in Blackwater Bay consists of just 20 ships. Only one - the ship filled with wildfire and leaking it into the bay - takes part in the battle, the other nineteen having been sent out of the area on Tyrion's order. That was season 2. And after Stannis effectively tries to attack King's Landing, nobody chases him to Dragonstone because, really, nobody has a navy. Remember the context of the show. King's Landing is in financial disarray. They owe money because of Robert's mismanagement. They can't afford a navy.

By the time Stannis leaves Dragonstone in season 4, he has to hire ships just to leave. The reason why the Greyjoy fleets are so critical right now is because navies aren't really a thing on this side of the world. Just about everything in the seven kingdoms is done over land.
One thing about Sams conversation with the arch maester  
mfsd : 7/16/2017 11:44 pm : link
about winter and the white walkers...and arch maester made the point the Wall has survived every war and every winter. I wonder if that's foreshadowing the Wall will fall, with help of the horn.

Just guessing, but I wonder if Euron could go after Olenna...and in doing so hope to somehow force Highgarden to support the Lannisters again...with the supplies Jamie and Cersei were talking about. That would sure win Cersei over

I agree it's doubtful it's Tyrion or Arya, only bc I doubt their storylines would go that way
bceagle  
beatrixkiddo : 7/16/2017 11:47 pm : link
All signs point to many family reunions. One the Starks which will bring them all together and two the Lannisters. Where they will tear each other apart. I think when Arya heard the soldiers talk about going home to their families, it struck a chord. It's been since season one that they were actually all together, Winterfell seems like the place where they will all meet again. Bran is already on his way there, I assume Arya will be too.
I think Jon will wind up as king  
widmerseyebrow : 7/16/2017 11:50 pm : link
Just a guess, but I feel like Sansa's line about him being a good ruler was more than a throwaway line. Especially since Jon hasn't really shown himself to be a great leader on screen (plenty brave but not all that cunning). There's also the importance of being Rhaegar's son. His father set it all into motion and Jon has a pretty good claim.
RE: I suspect Euron will miraculously capture Tyrion in a surprise attack  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:50 pm : link
In comment 13529784 beatrixkiddo said:
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Probably foiled by one of the Ironborne with Asha and Theon, we know that they are planning for an attack against Cersei somewhere. I think Euron gets tipped off, targets Tyrion and kidnaps him alive. He won't kill him,he will leave Cersei the pleasure to do that. And IMO, that may be the straw that breaks Jamie's back and ultimately names him Queenslayer in the end. Just my hunch.


That seems plausible the way you thought it out. I just dont know how he's going to get to Tyrion. Dont forget Theon and Yara are with Daenys too and would spot him immediately. Seems like a huge stretch.
what happened  
spike : 7/16/2017 11:51 pm : link
to Danerys' boyfriend?
RE: Yeah I think Arya winds up going to Winterfell.  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:52 pm : link
In comment 13529783 bceagle05 said:
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Obviously something happens to change her course, and who knows what that may be. The only way that prophecy holds true with Arya doing the deed is if she's wearing Jaime or Tyrion's face. I feel like they'd be overplaying that hand a bit though.


I think that would cheapen the prophecy. I mean it's a prophecy. It's not like the prophecy itself would be tricked by Arya. It's all knowing...
RE: what happened  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:53 pm : link
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to Danerys' boyfriend?


She left him behind in the last episode. Told Tyrion she had no feelings about it either.
Don't the Starks have special abilities with their dogs?  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:55 pm : link
Maybe Arya slips into her dogs body (shown in the preview next week) and ends up rejoining Jon that way? That would suck though I think.
Also Beatrix...  
ZGiants98 : 7/16/2017 11:59 pm : link
Everyone knows Arya exists or at least they are about to. She removed her mask and left a girl alive to tell everyone what happened to the Frey's. She even said tell everyone "Winter has came" which was the Stark motto. Im guessing the news spreads quickly enough.
RE: I think Jon will wind up as king  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2017 12:03 am : link
In comment 13529789 widmerseyebrow said:
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Just a guess, but I feel like Sansa's line about him being a good ruler was more than a throwaway line. Especially since Jon hasn't really shown himself to be a great leader on screen (plenty brave but not all that cunning). There's also the importance of being Rhaegar's son. His father set it all into motion and Jon has a pretty good claim.


Yeah I always listen for those dialogue clues - like last season when Dario told Dany, "You're a conqueror, not a ruler." Made me think it will be Jon at the end, ruling whatever and whoever remains.
Also, the Beric/Thoros/Hound scenes  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2017 12:05 am : link
have historically been great. The jabs back and forth are hilarious.
I think the whole story is about Jon  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 12:06 am : link
A song of Ice and Fire (Stark Ice- Fire Targayan). I could see them both ruling though. Maybe Jon takes over the north, even north of the wall... and Daenyrys rules Kings Landing and the 7 Kingdoms.
Who would find it plausible that one girl who went missing from  
beatrixkiddo : 7/17/2017 12:11 am : link
Westeros and hasn't been seen in forever with as capable of killing all of the Freys. It would sound like a tall tale especially coming from the only witness a young child. She also never revealed her name, no one knows who she is and what she looks like. I mean hell, she pretended to be a boy in season one when she was fresh in KL and no one knew it was Arya Stark, they all pictured some little princess like her sister Sansa.

Believe me, Arya didn't blow her cover and even if she did, no one is buying that she alone was capable of killing a whole mess hall full of Freys in their own home.
As much as I love the story  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2017 12:12 am : link
Kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke leave something to be desired in those roles - especially Clarke. Hope they have the chops for whatever's coming.
Yeah, I'm sure Cersei will assume  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2017 12:14 am : link
it was a Jon/Sansa plot when she hears that "Winter came for the Freys" line.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/17/2017 12:15 am : link
Minor, shallow point... but it's interesting to see how these actors and actresses are aging too.
RE: Who would find it plausible that one girl who went missing from  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 12:23 am : link
In comment 13529800 beatrixkiddo said:
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Westeros and hasn't been seen in forever with as capable of killing all of the Freys. It would sound like a tall tale especially coming from the only witness a young child. She also never revealed her name, no one knows who she is and what she looks like. I mean hell, she pretended to be a boy in season one when she was fresh in KL and no one knew it was Arya Stark, they all pictured some little princess like her sister Sansa.

Believe me, Arya didn't blow her cover and even if she did, no one is buying that she alone was capable of killing a whole mess hall full of Freys in their own home.


I dont know. She left a witness to describe who she was and yelled the Stark Quote. Once the girl says it was a Stark with short brown hair and not long red hair it kind of narrows down the choices. I think people in Westeros know of the "faceless men and their assassin abilities". Why would it be a stretch for Arya, who has been gone a long time, to have learned from one? Especially if the girl literally saw her rip a face off her head of Walder Frey. Yeah it sounds crazy... but we are operating in a world of magic, dragons, and zombies.
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ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 12:25 am : link
In comment 13529803 Eric from BBI said:
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Minor, shallow point... but it's interesting to see how these actors and actresses are aging too.


That's one of my favorite parts. It adds a sense of realism. Not only do they physically change over the seasons, they have grown as actors IMO which relates to them growing as people in this world and "evolving".
Also,  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 12:28 am : link
I don't think anyone would underestimate any of the Starks. They are way too powerful and important. Just because Arya left as a girl doesn't mean people wouldn't consider her a threat if they knew she was still alive. They know she is now much older and that all the Starks want the Lannisters dead.

Not a big issue, but it doesn't seem like a big stretch to me.
Four people are likely responsible for the deaths of Cersei's kids:  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/17/2017 12:31 am : link
Olenna Tyrell (Joffrey)
Petyr Baelish (Joffrey)
Ellaria Sand (Myrcella)
Cersei Lannister (Tommen)

Cersei doesn't even know about the first two. She still blames Tyrion and Sansa. But she sure know about the Sands. Ellaria and the Snakes would make a nice gift too - with the added bonus for the show-runners that the audience doesn't like them any better than Cersei does. Tyrion, by contrast, might be GoT's most beloved character. Killing him would be Ned Stark x 2.





Just rewatched the intro  
beatrixkiddo : 7/17/2017 12:35 am : link
And there was another girl in the mess hall, an older one who witnesses everything and seemed to dissapear. They made it a point of showing her, perhaps your right. Arya may now have a target on her back, but when she can change her appearance and has been the master of deception and hiding/ getting away, I feel she will be just fine, at least for the time being.

The Freys don't really have any friends, not even the Lannisters cared much for them. I don't see the Lannisters exhausting resources trying to find and capture Arya given they can barely hold KL at the moment.
I think Jaime kills Cersei as soon as episode 3  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 12:35 am : link
Based on the three titles HBO has released for the first three episodes. If that's the case a whole lot needs to happen in episode 2. We shall see!
RE: Just rewatched the intro  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 12:38 am : link
In comment 13529808 beatrixkiddo said:
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And there was another girl in the mess hall, an older one who witnesses everything and seemed to dissapear. They made it a point of showing her, perhaps your right. Arya may now have a target on her back, but when she can change her appearance and has been the master of deception and hiding/ getting away, I feel she will be just fine, at least for the time being.

The Freys don't really have any friends, not even the Lannisters cared much for them. I don't see the Lannisters exhausting resources trying to find and capture Arya given they can barely hold KL at the moment.


Yup. I remember that girl too. I agree they wouldn't waste resources trying to find Arya but if Arya is on her way there anyway and Euron intercepts her and kills her... Cersei will definitely be grateful. Also Jaime, made a point to say the Freys were one of their last allies. Not saying its a huge conquest if she gets Arya but it would be a nice token possibly.
This reviewer  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 12:50 am : link
also feels uneasy about Arya heading to Kings Landing.
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RE: I think Jaime kills Cersei as soon as episode 3  
5BowlsSoon : 7/17/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13529809 ZGiants98 said:
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Based on the three titles HBO has released for the first three episodes. If that's the case a whole lot needs to happen in episode 2. We shall see!


No way does Cersei die so soon into this season. We would still have 10 more episodes left. I think the conclusion of that battle might take us to the season finale or even past.

Once Cersei is removed, all you have left are the White Walkers. They are not compelling actors to hold our attention for a whole season by themselves. Lol
RE: Cant see Euron taking Tyrion's head  
5BowlsSoon : 7/17/2017 8:08 am : link
In comment 13529759 ZGiants98 said:
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He has dragons and two armies by his side. Impossible. Sadly I think it's going to be Arya's head. She is heading to Kings Landing to kill Cersei. We know from the prophesy it wont happen. Euron stops her and wins Cersei's trust IMO.


I would be shocked to see Arya killed. I think she is someone who will make it to the end. Better find another head, not hers.
RE: RE: Yeah I think Arya winds up going to Winterfell.  
giants#1 : 7/17/2017 8:20 am : link
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Obviously something happens to change her course, and who knows what that may be. The only way that prophecy holds true with Arya doing the deed is if she's wearing Jaime or Tyrion's face. I feel like they'd be overplaying that hand a bit though.



I think that would cheapen the prophecy. I mean it's a prophecy. It's not like the prophecy itself would be tricked by Arya. It's all knowing...


It's a prophecy that is told/interpreted by a "seer". They could easily interpret a masked Arya as one of Cersei's brothers. Though I doubt it's Arya who kills her.

I don't think all the Starks can communicate with the wolves. They all share a deep bond, but Bran has the special powers to actually "become" a wolf/crow and see through their eyes. My guess is that once Arya reunites with Nymeria, Bran somehow senses it and gets her to change course to Winterfell.
RE: I think the whole story is about Jon  
giants#1 : 7/17/2017 8:23 am : link
In comment 13529799 ZGiants98 said:
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A song of Ice and Fire (Stark Ice- Fire Targayan). I could see them both ruling though. Maybe Jon takes over the north, even north of the wall... and Daenyrys rules Kings Landing and the 7 Kingdoms.


Targaryens also historically marry within the family to keep the bloodline "pure". And the books at least hint at the bloodline being a reason for their bond with dragons. Seems likely that Jon leads a group to Dragonstone to get dragon glass, encounters Dany and the dragons and that the dragons somehow sense he's part Targaryen.
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