was the Hound with the Brotherhood. Really enjoying the development of Sandor Clegane and the back and forth with Thoros and Beric is enjoyable. Unfortunately, it seems like they're heading for the worst place to be in the world right now.
Overall solid episode, the world is condensing nicely and this was a good way to set up the pieces
And there was another girl in the mess hall, an older one who witnesses everything and seemed to dissapear. They made it a point of showing her, perhaps your right. Arya may now have a target on her back, but when she can change her appearance and has been the master of deception and hiding/ getting away, I feel she will be just fine, at least for the time being.
The Freys don't really have any friends, not even the Lannisters cared much for them. I don't see the Lannisters exhausting resources trying to find and capture Arya given they can barely hold KL at the moment.
Yup. I remember that girl too. I agree they wouldn't waste resources trying to find Arya but if Arya is on her way there anyway and Euron intercepts her and kills her... Cersei will definitely be grateful. Also Jaime, made a point to say the Freys were one of their last allies. Not saying its a huge conquest if she gets Arya but it would be a nice token possibly.
How would Euron even know Arya is on her way to Kings Landing? He clearly had someone in mind when he made the offer and I'd be shocked if it was Arya. More likely (IMO) he's thinking one of these:
A song of Ice and Fire (Stark Ice- Fire Targayan). I could see them both ruling though. Maybe Jon takes over the north, even north of the wall... and Daenyrys rules Kings Landing and the 7 Kingdoms.
Targaryens also historically marry within the family to keep the bloodline "pure". And the books at least hint at the bloodline being a reason for their bond with dragons. Seems likely that Jon leads a group to Dragonstone to get dragon glass, encounters Dany and the dragons and that the dragons somehow sense he's part Targaryen.
Now keep in mind Daenerys is Jon's aunt. In GOT, brother/sister love is accepted...but aunt/nephew? Eeeeeewwww
Solid opening episode. The intro was great, cool to see all the Frey's go out like that. They touched just about every major plot point and set the tone to move each story forward. My favorite scene was probably Sam talking with the Grand Measter while helping him do an autopsy.
I don't think Arya will make it to KL, she will get diverted by something. I also don't think she will be Euron's gift. Its likely that gift comes from the sea and we know there will be a naval battle this season so my money is on that.
I think Sansa respects Jon, I don't see her betraying him but I guess its possible. I hope Littlefinger throws a wrench in that though, he's the only one that can stir up some shit right now in the north.
Jon going to Dragonstone seems unrealistic from a timing perspective. The dragonglass is key but there's got to be another way to get it north, from someone that already in the south.
The Hound is awesome, hopefully he can stay alive most of the season. Very interested to see where his crew ends up and how they fare.
At this point it seems pretty unrealisitc for anyone to back Cersei but its obviously going to happen. Her position shouldn't have any leverage at all and should be an easy defeat now that Dany landed close by, but something will come up.
It just so happens Jorah is where Sam is. He seems like he likely candidate to make the journey there, and send the glass North at Sams request.
I didn't think about it, but now that it was mentioned it makes sense for Euron gift to be one of the Dragons. He can take one down with that fleet I'd imagine. Viscerion is likely to go. Hope he takes many with him.
but even if he doesn't, delivering the dragon glass to the north would be his last and most heroic act so seeing him go out that way would be pretty cool. He'd need help though and Sam has no money or power...
know that Jon and Daenerys are in any way related.
not saying it wouldn't still be a sort of incestuous relationship, but if you don't know about it....and a lot of plot would have to happen to believe that union is realistic, like after these 7 episodes and something with the Night's King causing the remaining Westeros forces to stop fighting each other and act in self preservation mode.
I think this is a 2018/2019 story line or whenever they finish season 7.
RE: RE: I think Jaime kills Cersei as soon as episode 3
Based on the three titles HBO has released for the first three episodes. If that's the case a whole lot needs to happen in episode 2. We shall see!
No way does Cersei die so soon into this season. We would still have 10 more episodes left. I think the conclusion of that battle might take us to the season finale or even past.
Once Cersei is removed, all you have left are the White Walkers. They are not compelling actors to hold our attention for a whole season by themselves. Lol
I think the 6 episodes next summer will be the Great War and conclusion. I think all the political stuff in Westeros will get tied up this season and I definitely think Cersei goes down this summer. That only leaves 6 episodes. Euron will also be another baddie and there will be other issues to clean up. We'll see.
but even if he doesn't, delivering the dragon glass to the north would be his last and most heroic act so seeing him go out that way would be pretty cool. He'd need help though and Sam has no money or power...
Did he touch Sam? I couldn't tell if he made contact.
Well, they did find a way to stop it spreading with
Shireen (Stannis Daughter), I expect them to have done the same with Jorah. Perhaps, Sam helps him escape the Citadel, Why he would be locked in there is beyond me, but it doesn't look like he is free to just leave. Jorah will honor an agreement with Sam if he helps him escape, Plus all Jorah has on his mind is getting to Dany, who is on Dragonstone!
Sam will likely converse with Jorah and I'm sure he will tell him about Jorah's father and what happened to him. Jorah will feel more compelled than ever to help Jon out. It just makes the most sense at this stage.
I wonder what happened to Robin Arryn, I remember seeing him last season, and I know he loves Sansa, I hope Sansa is cunning enough to play him against Littlefinger if he should attempt to use the Vale against the North. Who knows though.
to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
And there was another girl in the mess hall, an older one who witnesses everything and seemed to dissapear. They made it a point of showing her, perhaps your right. Arya may now have a target on her back, but when she can change her appearance and has been the master of deception and hiding/ getting away, I feel she will be just fine, at least for the time being.
The Freys don't really have any friends, not even the Lannisters cared much for them. I don't see the Lannisters exhausting resources trying to find and capture Arya given they can barely hold KL at the moment.
Yup. I remember that girl too. I agree they wouldn't waste resources trying to find Arya but if Arya is on her way there anyway and Euron intercepts her and kills her... Cersei will definitely be grateful. Also Jaime, made a point to say the Freys were one of their last allies. Not saying its a huge conquest if she gets Arya but it would be a nice token possibly.
How would Euron even know Arya is on her way to Kings Landing? He clearly had someone in mind when he made the offer and I'd be shocked if it was Arya. More likely (IMO) he's thinking one of these:
I don't know that he necessarily had somebody in mind. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He seems a little crazy. He could have just been very confident that he would find something she'd like. As for Arya, maybe he is tipped off that she is on her way there. You have soldiers and multiple witnesses who have seen her and seen her intentions now. Not saying it's going to happen. Just throwing out a possible theory.
The North needs men too however, I imagine Dany, the Tyrells and the Martells are more than enough to take care of Cersei and Euron in the South. Once that is over, I imagine Dany turns her support to providing the North with all the help she can. She needs to unite the South and quickly, Jon has already united the North, but I fear it won't be enough to hold against the massive WW army. Bran needs to warg into Drogon.
RE: I'm not sure how they can devote an entire season
to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
and reunite with her family. But I understand her desire for vengeance. Just think that's going to go wrong somehow.
Sansa turning on Jon, at least temporarily, is being so heavily telegraphed at this point. Hopefully the show doesn't go in that direction. It'd be too predictable
RE: RE: I'm not sure how they can devote an entire season
to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
I should have rephrased. Having 6 episodes dedicated to a war against an enemy that doesn't speak doesn't strike me as the best way to run your finale season. There needs to be some other threat or problem going, IMO.
to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
I should have rephrased. Having 6 episodes dedicated to a war against an enemy that doesn't speak doesn't strike me as the best way to run your finale season. There needs to be some other threat or problem going, IMO.
Ok. Well I agree it's not going to be a 6 hour battle without talking. I think there is some back story with the Knight's King, ect they can explore. I'm not even convinced the White Walkers are bad.
RE: Well, they did find a way to stop it spreading with
Shireen (Stannis Daughter), I expect them to have done the same with Jorah. Perhaps, Sam helps him escape the Citadel, Why he would be locked in there is beyond me, but it doesn't look like he is free to just leave. Jorah will honor an agreement with Sam if he helps him escape, Plus all Jorah has on his mind is getting to Dany, who is on Dragonstone!
Sam will likely converse with Jorah and I'm sure he will tell him about Jorah's father and what happened to him. Jorah will feel more compelled than ever to help Jon out. It just makes the most sense at this stage.
I wonder what happened to Robin Arryn, I remember seeing him last season, and I know he loves Sansa, I hope Sansa is cunning enough to play him against Littlefinger if he should attempt to use the Vale against the North. Who knows though.
Shireen was saved from further spread of Grayscale because she got it as a young child. The older the person is that gets it, the harder it is to stop. I am assuming hes locked up of his own free will. Dany told him to find a cure so he went to the place with the most knowledge in Westeros
How did Cersei find out Tyrion had been named hand of the Queen?
Could be explained generally that word had spread, or could be Qyburn has spies watching Daenerys's armies. I don't imagine Daenerys and company sent ravens out announcing the news.
The only reason it registered with me was I was hoping for a scene where Cersei and Daenerys face off on a battlefield or in a political tet-a-tet, and we get to see Cersei's surprise when she discovers Tyrion's ascendancy
Could simply be a plot point the writers didn't see fit to expand on
I would think Euron's "gift" would still be on a ship.
Who did we not see enter Dragonstone ?
Ellaria Sand , she poisoned the Queens only daughter.
Her head/death would have to read well with Cersei & Jamie Lannister
Haven't rewatched, but I'm pretty sure we got another glimpse of the anticipated Yara/Ellaria lesbo sesh in the scenes from next episode. Could be a prelude to Ellaria's downfall
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I figured Euron was speaking of Tyrion's head
I would think Euron's "gift" would still be on a ship.
Who did we not see enter Dragonstone ?
Ellaria Sand , she poisoned the Queens only daughter.
Her head/death would have to read well with Cersei & Jamie Lannister
Haven't rewatched, but I'm pretty sure we got another glimpse of the anticipated Yara/Ellaria lesbo sesh in the scenes from next episode. Could be a prelude to Ellaria's downfall
could see Bron involved in this encounter as well as he had a certain affinity with one of the sand snake women.
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
Yeah, in earlier seasons, season 1? lol it seemed like it was hard to expect what was happening (other than for book readers).
Ned's downfall surprised, heck Bran being shoved out the window in the first chapter (page?) shocked me, red wedding, Tywin, I think the show is due for a curve ball.
throughout the realm, someone tipped her off easily. Dany's entourage is hard to go undetected at this point, especially with 3 fully grown dragons.
I am 50/50 on Eurons gift being either a Dragon, or Tyrion. I'm leaning Dragon and here's why: Don't read this however, if you don't want to know what happened in the books!!!
* One thing that hasn't happened that did in the books was at the Kingsmoot. Euron appeared with an magical dragon horn (Dragonbinder I beleive it was called) from the ruins of Valyria that was said to be able to call dragons. It never came out in the Kingsmoot on the show, and makes perfect sense if they are to introduce it for him to use it to try and capture one of Dany's dragons. I suspect he will use it and take down one of the dragons, his gift will be the dragon dead or alive to Cersei (Most likely dead). Cersei will likely send the head back to Dany to try and intimidate her. Just my guess as no one but a Targaryen can truly tame a dragon.
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
Yeah, in earlier seasons, season 1? lol it seemed like it was hard to expect what was happening (other than for book readers).
Ned's downfall surprised, heck Bran being shoved out the window in the first chapter (page?) shocked me, red wedding, Tywin, I think the show is due for a curve ball.
littlefinger and Cersei something like that.
Yeah, something like that would be interesting. Littlefinger knows he can't trust the Starks longterm and if he doesn't already he will soon know he's being used. He also has no place anywhere near the throne of the Starks + Dany win.
to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
I should have rephrased. Having 6 episodes dedicated to a war against an enemy that doesn't speak doesn't strike me as the best way to run your finale season. There needs to be some other threat or problem going, IMO.
Maybe the 'overseas' banks arrive with an armada to collect their debt?
and reunite with her family. But I understand her desire for vengeance. Just think that's going to go wrong somehow.
Sansa turning on Jon, at least temporarily, is being so heavily telegraphed at this point. Hopefully the show doesn't go in that direction. It'd be too predictable
Maybe Bran arrives in Winterfell just in time to stop Sansa's scheming and convince her of the real threat the WW are (and to stick by family).
it's gonna get wiped out somehow, or there wont be much intrigue.
I think that's what the Iron Fleet's role will be--deal her a significant blow at sea to her troops to make the battle with the Lannisters less pre-determined.
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
maybe reading way too much into it ... but he seemed quite in tune with Sansa / Jon Snow "arguing" over strategy
Gonna be interesting, Littlefinger is 1 of my favorite story lines
it's gonna get wiped out somehow, or there wont be much intrigue.
I think that's what the Iron Fleet's role will be--deal her a significant blow at sea to her troops to make the battle with the Lannisters less pre-determined.
I'm feeling a Iron Fleet vs Dany battle about to happen as a huge storm rolls in, crushing 95% of the Boats
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stannis would never leave the castle unoccupied.
He's saying Stannis would not have left for the North with no one protecting his only remaining stronghold. If he is successful in the North and someone just walks into Dragonstone he has to now go and take it back by force
Maybe we were watching different television shows.
Yeah, totally. They're obviously talking about Two Broke Girls.
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
IMO, Euron would have no inkling of Arya and a low likelihood of finding or capturing her. Nor is she as personal a favor as is the murderess of her daughter. ( the closest she killed was a dispensible Frey. Not that Cersei minds Arya dead but its not like she cares about any Stark as much as Sansa.
Regarding Sansa, while we concentrate on her respectful difference ( notice how easily they patched it up) with Jon, notice that she had nothing but contempt for Littlefinger ( and is clearly suspicious of is every utterance) but admires Jon ( just thinks his nobility has to get mixed with cunning).
I don't think any betrayal is going to last long. I think it more likely she makes a mistake that hurts Jon and learns or her cunning and hardness helps Jon be practical at a critical turning point ( an immoral act for a greater good).
Lastly, we all think Cersei is Jons arch rival in the end game and Dany and he will unite. Could be that Cersei is colorfully irrelevant and Danys desire to be the one last word royal is the final opposition to a new way to lead. Sansa's value as one who understands Machevelli may be to Jon in opposition to Dany.
Obviously, speculation. But Martin ( and it is roughly still his ending) does love to confound his followers
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
A simple DNA test would show it.
LOL, maybe they should just log in to ancestry.com
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
A simple DNA test would show it.
LOL, maybe they should just log in to ancestry.com
at least has a suspicion of Jon's true lineage. Remember in the crypts with Sansa, discussing Lyanna he very clearly knew more about her and Rhaegar than he let on.
Overall solid episode, the world is condensing nicely and this was a good way to set up the pieces
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And there was another girl in the mess hall, an older one who witnesses everything and seemed to dissapear. They made it a point of showing her, perhaps your right. Arya may now have a target on her back, but when she can change her appearance and has been the master of deception and hiding/ getting away, I feel she will be just fine, at least for the time being.
The Freys don't really have any friends, not even the Lannisters cared much for them. I don't see the Lannisters exhausting resources trying to find and capture Arya given they can barely hold KL at the moment.
Yup. I remember that girl too. I agree they wouldn't waste resources trying to find Arya but if Arya is on her way there anyway and Euron intercepts her and kills her... Cersei will definitely be grateful. Also Jaime, made a point to say the Freys were one of their last allies. Not saying its a huge conquest if she gets Arya but it would be a nice token possibly.
How would Euron even know Arya is on her way to Kings Landing? He clearly had someone in mind when he made the offer and I'd be shocked if it was Arya. More likely (IMO) he's thinking one of these:
Tyrion (obvious choice)
Victarion
Asha
Sand snakes
Hound redemption tour.
What happened to the nephew who married the Fray girl?
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A song of Ice and Fire (Stark Ice- Fire Targayan). I could see them both ruling though. Maybe Jon takes over the north, even north of the wall... and Daenyrys rules Kings Landing and the 7 Kingdoms.
Targaryens also historically marry within the family to keep the bloodline "pure". And the books at least hint at the bloodline being a reason for their bond with dragons. Seems likely that Jon leads a group to Dragonstone to get dragon glass, encounters Dany and the dragons and that the dragons somehow sense he's part Targaryen.
Now keep in mind Daenerys is Jon's aunt. In GOT, brother/sister love is accepted...but aunt/nephew? Eeeeeewwww
Now keep in mind Daenerys is Jon's aunt. In GOT, brother/sister love is accepted...but aunt/nephew? Eeeeeewwww
True, but there are no brother/sister combos left so sacrifices must be made!
I don't think Arya will make it to KL, she will get diverted by something. I also don't think she will be Euron's gift. Its likely that gift comes from the sea and we know there will be a naval battle this season so my money is on that.
I think Sansa respects Jon, I don't see her betraying him but I guess its possible. I hope Littlefinger throws a wrench in that though, he's the only one that can stir up some shit right now in the north.
Jon going to Dragonstone seems unrealistic from a timing perspective. The dragonglass is key but there's got to be another way to get it north, from someone that already in the south.
The Hound is awesome, hopefully he can stay alive most of the season. Very interested to see where his crew ends up and how they fare.
At this point it seems pretty unrealisitc for anyone to back Cersei but its obviously going to happen. Her position shouldn't have any leverage at all and should be an easy defeat now that Dany landed close by, but something will come up.
I didn't think about it, but now that it was mentioned it makes sense for Euron gift to be one of the Dragons. He can take one down with that fleet I'd imagine. Viscerion is likely to go. Hope he takes many with him.
not saying it wouldn't still be a sort of incestuous relationship, but if you don't know about it....and a lot of plot would have to happen to believe that union is realistic, like after these 7 episodes and something with the Night's King causing the remaining Westeros forces to stop fighting each other and act in self preservation mode.
I think this is a 2018/2019 story line or whenever they finish season 7.
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Based on the three titles HBO has released for the first three episodes. If that's the case a whole lot needs to happen in episode 2. We shall see!
No way does Cersei die so soon into this season. We would still have 10 more episodes left. I think the conclusion of that battle might take us to the season finale or even past.
Once Cersei is removed, all you have left are the White Walkers. They are not compelling actors to hold our attention for a whole season by themselves. Lol
I think the 6 episodes next summer will be the Great War and conclusion. I think all the political stuff in Westeros will get tied up this season and I definitely think Cersei goes down this summer. That only leaves 6 episodes. Euron will also be another baddie and there will be other issues to clean up. We'll see.
Did he touch Sam? I couldn't tell if he made contact.
Sam will likely converse with Jorah and I'm sure he will tell him about Jorah's father and what happened to him. Jorah will feel more compelled than ever to help Jon out. It just makes the most sense at this stage.
I wonder what happened to Robin Arryn, I remember seeing him last season, and I know he loves Sansa, I hope Sansa is cunning enough to play him against Littlefinger if he should attempt to use the Vale against the North. Who knows though.
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And there was another girl in the mess hall, an older one who witnesses everything and seemed to dissapear. They made it a point of showing her, perhaps your right. Arya may now have a target on her back, but when she can change her appearance and has been the master of deception and hiding/ getting away, I feel she will be just fine, at least for the time being.
The Freys don't really have any friends, not even the Lannisters cared much for them. I don't see the Lannisters exhausting resources trying to find and capture Arya given they can barely hold KL at the moment.
Yup. I remember that girl too. I agree they wouldn't waste resources trying to find Arya but if Arya is on her way there anyway and Euron intercepts her and kills her... Cersei will definitely be grateful. Also Jaime, made a point to say the Freys were one of their last allies. Not saying its a huge conquest if she gets Arya but it would be a nice token possibly.
How would Euron even know Arya is on her way to Kings Landing? He clearly had someone in mind when he made the offer and I'd be shocked if it was Arya. More likely (IMO) he's thinking one of these:
Tyrion (obvious choice)
Victarion
Asha
Sand snakes
I don't know that he necessarily had somebody in mind. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He seems a little crazy. He could have just been very confident that he would find something she'd like. As for Arya, maybe he is tipped off that she is on her way there. You have soldiers and multiple witnesses who have seen her and seen her intentions now. Not saying it's going to happen. Just throwing out a possible theory.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
Sansa turning on Jon, at least temporarily, is being so heavily telegraphed at this point. Hopefully the show doesn't go in that direction. It'd be too predictable
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to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
I should have rephrased. Having 6 episodes dedicated to a war against an enemy that doesn't speak doesn't strike me as the best way to run your finale season. There needs to be some other threat or problem going, IMO.
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
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to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
I should have rephrased. Having 6 episodes dedicated to a war against an enemy that doesn't speak doesn't strike me as the best way to run your finale season. There needs to be some other threat or problem going, IMO.
Ok. Well I agree it's not going to be a 6 hour battle without talking. I think there is some back story with the Knight's King, ect they can explore. I'm not even convinced the White Walkers are bad.
Sam will likely converse with Jorah and I'm sure he will tell him about Jorah's father and what happened to him. Jorah will feel more compelled than ever to help Jon out. It just makes the most sense at this stage.
I wonder what happened to Robin Arryn, I remember seeing him last season, and I know he loves Sansa, I hope Sansa is cunning enough to play him against Littlefinger if he should attempt to use the Vale against the North. Who knows though.
Shireen was saved from further spread of Grayscale because she got it as a young child. The older the person is that gets it, the harder it is to stop. I am assuming hes locked up of his own free will. Dany told him to find a cure so he went to the place with the most knowledge in Westeros
Could be explained generally that word had spread, or could be Qyburn has spies watching Daenerys's armies. I don't imagine Daenerys and company sent ravens out announcing the news.
The only reason it registered with me was I was hoping for a scene where Cersei and Daenerys face off on a battlefield or in a political tet-a-tet, and we get to see Cersei's surprise when she discovers Tyrion's ascendancy
Could simply be a plot point the writers didn't see fit to expand on
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when he mentioned his gift for Cersei.
same here.
I would think Euron's "gift" would still be on a ship.
Who did we not see enter Dragonstone ?
Ellaria Sand , she poisoned the Queens only daughter.
Her head/death would have to read well with Cersei & Jamie Lannister
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when he mentioned his gift for Cersei.
same here.
I would think Euron's "gift" would still be on a ship.
Who did we not see enter Dragonstone ?
Ellaria Sand , she poisoned the Queens only daughter.
Her head/death would have to read well with Cersei & Jamie Lannister
Haven't rewatched, but I'm pretty sure we got another glimpse of the anticipated Yara/Ellaria lesbo sesh in the scenes from next episode. Could be a prelude to Ellaria's downfall
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
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when he mentioned his gift for Cersei.
same here.
I would think Euron's "gift" would still be on a ship.
Who did we not see enter Dragonstone ?
Ellaria Sand , she poisoned the Queens only daughter.
Her head/death would have to read well with Cersei & Jamie Lannister
Haven't rewatched, but I'm pretty sure we got another glimpse of the anticipated Yara/Ellaria lesbo sesh in the scenes from next episode. Could be a prelude to Ellaria's downfall
could see Bron involved in this encounter as well as he had a certain affinity with one of the sand snake women.
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end game.
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
Yeah, in earlier seasons, season 1? lol it seemed like it was hard to expect what was happening (other than for book readers).
Ned's downfall surprised, heck Bran being shoved out the window in the first chapter (page?) shocked me, red wedding, Tywin, I think the show is due for a curve ball.
littlefinger and Cersei something like that.
I am 50/50 on Eurons gift being either a Dragon, or Tyrion. I'm leaning Dragon and here's why: Don't read this however, if you don't want to know what happened in the books!!!
* One thing that hasn't happened that did in the books was at the Kingsmoot. Euron appeared with an magical dragon horn (Dragonbinder I beleive it was called) from the ruins of Valyria that was said to be able to call dragons. It never came out in the Kingsmoot on the show, and makes perfect sense if they are to introduce it for him to use it to try and capture one of Dany's dragons. I suspect he will use it and take down one of the dragons, his gift will be the dragon dead or alive to Cersei (Most likely dead). Cersei will likely send the head back to Dany to try and intimidate her. Just my guess as no one but a Targaryen can truly tame a dragon.
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end game.
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
Yeah, in earlier seasons, season 1? lol it seemed like it was hard to expect what was happening (other than for book readers).
Ned's downfall surprised, heck Bran being shoved out the window in the first chapter (page?) shocked me, red wedding, Tywin, I think the show is due for a curve ball.
littlefinger and Cersei something like that.
Yeah, something like that would be interesting. Littlefinger knows he can't trust the Starks longterm and if he doesn't already he will soon know he's being used. He also has no place anywhere near the throne of the Starks + Dany win.
The only problem with that episode was that it peaked in the first scene.
That Sam montage was annoying....and did the baby suddenly become a 2 year old?
The only problem with that episode was that it peaked in the first scene.
That Sam montage was annoying....and did the baby suddenly become a 2 year old?
Sorry -- meant to say the only problem besides the Sam montage
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to fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't communicate. I'd much rather have two plot points going on to prevent that, with Jon and Co having to worry about the north and the south at the same time.
I can. "Entire season" is 6 episodes. I'd say you need at least 2 on each end for setup and conclusion. That leaves two episodes in the middle for the actual war. I'd be shocked if this summer doesn't end with Daenyrs and the entire Westeros army getting ready to clash with the White Walkers.
I should have rephrased. Having 6 episodes dedicated to a war against an enemy that doesn't speak doesn't strike me as the best way to run your finale season. There needs to be some other threat or problem going, IMO.
Maybe the 'overseas' banks arrive with an armada to collect their debt?
Sansa turning on Jon, at least temporarily, is being so heavily telegraphed at this point. Hopefully the show doesn't go in that direction. It'd be too predictable
Maybe Bran arrives in Winterfell just in time to stop Sansa's scheming and convince her of the real threat the WW are (and to stick by family).
I'll take it.
I think that's what the Iron Fleet's role will be--deal her a significant blow at sea to her troops to make the battle with the Lannisters less pre-determined.
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end game.
How does he get himself on the throne or see his path to the throne?
It needs to happen!
There has to be something coming out of left field, and my hope is it will be his doing. Everything looks like its going to wrap up a specific way, but it won't (or atleast it shouldn't).
maybe reading way too much into it ... but he seemed quite in tune with Sansa / Jon Snow "arguing" over strategy
Gonna be interesting, Littlefinger is 1 of my favorite story lines
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it's gonna get wiped out somehow, or there wont be much intrigue.
I think that's what the Iron Fleet's role will be--deal her a significant blow at sea to her troops to make the battle with the Lannisters less pre-determined.
I'm feeling a Iron Fleet vs Dany battle about to happen as a huge storm rolls in, crushing 95% of the Boats
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huh? Stannis and all his men are dead.
He's saying Stannis would not have left for the North with no one protecting his only remaining stronghold. If he is successful in the North and someone just walks into Dragonstone he has to now go and take it back by force
Maybe we were watching different television shows.
Yeah, totally. They're obviously talking about Two Broke Girls.
Just Howland Reed and possibly Bran now right?
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
Regarding Sansa, while we concentrate on her respectful difference ( notice how easily they patched it up) with Jon, notice that she had nothing but contempt for Littlefinger ( and is clearly suspicious of is every utterance) but admires Jon ( just thinks his nobility has to get mixed with cunning).
I don't think any betrayal is going to last long. I think it more likely she makes a mistake that hurts Jon and learns or her cunning and hardness helps Jon be practical at a critical turning point ( an immoral act for a greater good).
Lastly, we all think Cersei is Jons arch rival in the end game and Dany and he will unite. Could be that Cersei is colorfully irrelevant and Danys desire to be the one last word royal is the final opposition to a new way to lead. Sansa's value as one who understands Machevelli may be to Jon in opposition to Dany.
Obviously, speculation. But Martin ( and it is roughly still his ending) does love to confound his followers
Just Howland Reed and possibly Bran now right?
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
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Jon Snow's true lineage?
Just Howland Reed and possibly Bran now right?
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
A simple DNA test would show it.
LOL, maybe they should just log in to ancestry.com
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Jon Snow's true lineage?
Just Howland Reed and possibly Bran now right?
Tyrion doesn't know, Varys doesn't know, Littlefinger doesn't know, or do they?
We know there were only two people who survived Tower of Joy, Howland Reed and Ned, Ned never told anyone from what we know and Howland Reed was the other. He's still living, correct?
I ask because it could be a hint at plots to come, that secret has to be revealed and at some level is probably what connects Jon and Daenerys.
A simple DNA test would show it.
LOL, maybe they should just log in to ancestry.com
They need the Iceland incest app
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Just seems like the kind of thing he'd suspect