Read that somewhere online and it could make sense. The character has been rumored to be returning to the show. Last remaining "heir" with Baratheon lineage.
Read that somewhere online and it could make sense. The character has been rumored to be returning to the show. Last remaining "heir" with Baratheon lineage.
How is that a gift though?
I'd think it's more likely to be the Ellaria Sand and her Sand Sister daughters for killing Myrcella. Not sure how Gendry is much of an offering.
I assume that was Jorah that reached out to Sam at the end?
Yes, that was Jorah.
The Hound's story just definitely took a weird turn.
The Hound and the Brotherhood are likely going to play a pretty crucial role soon encountering the white walkers. Got to set that up. I enjoyed those scenes and the call back to the man and his daughter
It's great that Martin (and co) can turn disliked characters into sympathetic characters so easily.
Jamie, Tyrion, the Hound, Varys, even Khal Drogo and the wildings to an extent and I'm sure others.
cersei has been the one constant (still living), if there was a way for Cersei to team up with the Night King and the white Walkers it would make things more convenient.
as it stands now, there will be battle among the 7 kingdoms before they can turn their attention to the others.
Also, this episode was a snooze. They really should be pacing this shit better in season 7. Enough with the character development already.
It'll probably be at least another episode before the pace starts to ramp up. It's not really character development so much as setting up the plot and storylines for the season, which is pretty par for the course with GoT.
It's great that Martin (and co) can turn disliked characters into sympathetic characters so easily.
Jamie, Tyrion, the Hound, Varys, even Khal Drogo and the wildings to an extent and I'm sure others
I never disliked either Tyrion or Varys. To me, it as always apparent that they didn't stand for what their more ruthless and corrupt peers did.
Tyrion is GRRM's favorite character in the books, he's said as much.
I thought he said Littlefinger is his favorite character?
Anyway, I wanted to see the little man fly. Early in the story, when he was still understood to be squarely a Lannister I think he was disliked, at least in the books (by me).
I always found him funny and liked his appearances in the book and think he nailed it in the show, but I don't think I truly came around on Tyrion until Joffrey/Cersei forced him to marry Sansa.
Varys while not completely disliked really helped contribute to Nedd's death (even if inadvertently).
and they decide to blow it with two final short seasons. Never been more frustrated by a series for what it failed to do.
I'd consider clicking on the links I provided in this very thread. The intention was 7 seasons. They are giving us bonus episodes. Nothing was cut short.
and they decide to blow it with two final short seasons. Never been more frustrated by a series for what it failed to do.
I'd consider clicking on the links I provided in this very thread. The intention was 7 seasons. They are giving us bonus episodes. Nothing was cut short.
I won't get into it again because its tiresome at this point and no one's mind is changing, but like a football HC, I'm taking many interviews with a grain of salt. And what was once planned almost a decade ago is surely due to see some change after many different factors take shape.
If you consider them bonus episodes, great. IMO they should have either ended it in 2017 with a full season or add on atleast another full season but we are beyond that at this point.
and they decide to blow it with two final short seasons. Never been more frustrated by a series for what it failed to do.
I'd consider clicking on the links I provided in this very thread. The intention was 7 seasons. They are giving us bonus episodes. Nothing was cut short.
I won't get into it again because its tiresome at this point and no one's mind is changing, but like a football HC, I'm taking many interviews with a grain of salt. And what was once planned almost a decade ago is surely due to see some change after many different factors take shape.
If you consider them bonus episodes, great. IMO they should have either ended it in 2017 with a full season or add on atleast another full season but we are beyond that at this point.
My response wasn't directed to you and I don't really get your point anyway. You're unhappy with the way they split it up? Cool beans. My point is, for years and years and even after Season 4, the writers flat out said they only wanted to 7 seasons. That was there intent. Sure HBO loves stringing one last super season an extra year (just like Breaking Bad did) but the viewers arent getting gypped. Aside from the annoying wait, it's a good thing IMO. We are getting more than we should have.
A song of Ice and Fire (Stark Ice- Fire Targayan). I could see them both ruling though. Maybe Jon takes over the north, even north of the wall... and Daenyrys rules Kings Landing and the 7 Kingdoms.
Targaryens also historically marry within the family to keep the bloodline "pure". And the books at least hint at the bloodline being a reason for their bond with dragons. Seems likely that Jon leads a group to Dragonstone to get dragon glass, encounters Dany and the dragons and that the dragons somehow sense he's part Targaryen.
I really think Deanarys dies before ever ruling Westeros based on her vision at the house of the undying.
Would you have rather they just have had 10 episodes as a season 7 or are you happy to get the 4 extra episodes? I'll take the extra episodes.
I don't feel like I'm getting fleeced when it comes to hours of content. I feel I am getting fleeced on the storytelling aspect. Once they decided to speed up time it should have just been fully condensed, ending this year. Or they should have left the speed as is and done 2 more full seasons. Maybe when it's all said and done it won't matter but it's a gripe that more people other than myself have.
how it's done but I agree.. there's no sense arguing about it. Seems pretty pointless. My only gripe is for people that feel that they "lost content" and the writers or HBO screwed them. It's simply not true.
If you have a gripe about them speeding it up and wishing this season was only 10 and done... well. Tis your right!
That can't have been Wun-Wun, right? He died at Winterfell the day Jon took the castle. If anyone knows the importance of burning bodies - especially really big bodies - it's Jon Snow. And remember where the big lug got his name. Wun-Wun going over to the Wights would be like Simms suiting up for the Eagles. Martin still has a veto on certain plot elements, and I can't see him allowing that level of betrayal.
Lots of talk on this thread about Arya leaving survivors at the Twins, and basically announcing her identity like the villain in a superhero movie. I saw four or five serving girls, plus Walder's child bride. FWIW, I don't think they will be in any hurry to tell their story to the Lannisters. Those girls will probably be busy burying their dead and trying to survive, and with no army, they don't have much reason to expect sympathy or quarter from Queen Cersei. Besides, it's a long way from the Twins to Riverrun, which I think is the northern vertex of the Lannisters' current triangle of control: Lannisport/Casterly Rock in the west, King's Landing in the east, Riverrun in the north.
Writing Alys Karstark into the show was a nice easter egg for book readers.
They showed 2 giants in that scene...IMO to demonstrate the Night King had raised multiple giants from the dead, amongst thousands of other poor dead bastards. Generally, we know Wun Wun was essentially the last of a proud ancient race, and he chose to fight with Jon Snow along with the wildlings, dying heroically in the effort. I think we can assume his body was burned, along with all the others who died in the battle for winterfell
There was alot to set up, now that the game changed a bit going into this season. After 6 season's of Danaerys and the White Walkers being distant and ingnored threats, they are both suddenly on everyone's minds.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
Did anyone else want to slap Sam when he said "Stannis mentioned it (dragongalss), I just didn't think...."
WTF dude? You were supposed to be the smartest person at The Wall. I think Stannis even said something like "I'll have some shipped here." I sure hope Sam didn't go through all this at the Citadel just to find out something he was told 2 seasons ago.
There is evidence out there that shows Arrya in possession of that blade for this season. No Doubt it will have a meaningful impact at some point and for some purpose.
is the least confident person in the series, which hinders his brilliance. Could be sloppy writing, but I'll chalk it up to sticking to his character.
I agree on your 1st point, that Sansa/Jon exchange was weird. My problem was how aggressively she questioned him, but then pretty much made up and paid no mind to it in the next scene when she was recognizing his knack for leading.
There was alot to set up, now that the game changed a bit going into this season. After 6 season's of Danaerys and the White Walkers being distant and ingnored threats, they are both suddenly on everyone's minds.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
is the least confident person in the series, which hinders his brilliance. Could be sloppy writing, but I'll chalk it up to sticking to his character.
I agree on your 1st point, that Sansa/Jon exchange was weird. My problem was how aggressively she questioned him, but then pretty much made up and paid no mind to it in the next scene when she was recognizing his knack for leading.
That's why one of my favorite scenes of the series was when Sam admits to Jon he's been banging Gilly. He's been the guy who's been put down and bullied every step of the way, hope to see him rise above in the end
There was alot to set up, now that the game changed a bit going into this season. After 6 season's of Danaerys and the White Walkers being distant and ingnored threats, they are both suddenly on everyone's minds.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
That's because Sansa sucks.
I thought the Jon v Sansa argument was intentionally written that way with Sansa purposely questioning his intentions in front of the other lords for his response.
It allowed Jon to communicate he's his "father's" son with honor and fairness, and allowed Sansa to introduce how that approach literally cost Ned and Robb their heads.
I'm not saying Sansa was that devious to think of it, but I'd guess the writers did it intentionally.
There was alot to set up, now that the game changed a bit going into this season. After 6 season's of Danaerys and the White Walkers being distant and ingnored threats, they are both suddenly on everyone's minds.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
That's because Sansa sucks.
I thought the Jon v Sansa argument was intentionally written that way with Sansa purposely questioning his intentions in front of the other lords for his response.
It allowed Jon to communicate he's his "father's" son with honor and fairness, and allowed Sansa to introduce how that approach literally cost Ned and Robb their heads.
I'm not saying Sansa was that devious to think of it, but I'd guess the writers did it intentionally.
I hear you. I was a great contrast, with Jon wanting to do the "honorable thing", like Ned and Sansa thinking politically, like Cersie.
Its not the fact that she disagreed with him in publicly that bugged me. It was that she was basically hinting at mutiny, to all the lords sitting there, if Jon gave back the castles to the Umbers and Karstarks. She even got Lyana Mormont to raise an eyebrow at the thought.
The Arya witnesses are going to just go back to their every day lives like nothing happened. Lol. She literally kept them alive and said "tell people what happened here!". If nothing comes of it, it would actually be sloppy writing IMO.
I know the pacing will once again be sped up, but I hope we get at least 1 more traveling scene with the Brothers Without Banners.
Beric, Thoros, and The Hound have great chemistry together. You have the serious, determined leader; the drunken, partier zealot; and the brooding cynic. All you need is a tech-savy warrior (blacksmith Gendry??) and they are basically the Ninja Turtles.
She did kill every single Frey worth anything however
This sort of leaves a power vacuum in the Riverlands for Edmure to retake Riverrun with little opposition. KL can't really afford to send any troops up there to help with any more siege's. Especially with having to worry about Dany, the Reach and Dorne all at KL doorsteps. If anything Arya wanted to make clear that the North is still strong, and isn't to be fucked with, can't wait for the family reunion.
The Arya witnesses are going to just go back to their every day lives like nothing happened. Lol. She literally kept them alive and said "tell people what happened here!". If nothing comes of it, it would actually be sloppy writing IMO.
The incident was already brought up a couple of times in the episode. Cersie mentions that after "the bloody mess with the Freys" they have no allies left. Also those Lannister soldiers, Arya sat with, were there because the Frey's were wiped out.
I bet more "rumors" about what happened there will start to make thier way to Winterfell and Kingslanding. It may lead to Cersie becoming increasingly paranoid. I doubt the show will never speak about it again.
You're the one making remarks about how people who disagree with you must be watching a different show, and you're worried about accomplishments?
How is that a gift though?
I'd think it's more likely to be the Ellaria Sand and her Sand Sister daughters for killing Myrcella. Not sure how Gendry is much of an offering.
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I assume that was Jorah that reached out to Sam at the end?
Yes, that was Jorah.
The Hound's story just definitely took a weird turn.
The Hound and the Brotherhood are likely going to play a pretty crucial role soon encountering the white walkers. Got to set that up. I enjoyed those scenes and the call back to the man and his daughter
It's great that Martin (and co) can turn disliked characters into sympathetic characters so easily.
Jamie, Tyrion, the Hound, Varys, even Khal Drogo and the wildings to an extent and I'm sure others.
cersei has been the one constant (still living), if there was a way for Cersei to team up with the Night King and the white Walkers it would make things more convenient.
as it stands now, there will be battle among the 7 kingdoms before they can turn their attention to the others.
Who knows of Baelish's plot against Bran and Ned? I wonder if it is foiled to Jon or Arrya, that would spell the end of Littlefinger for sure.
It's great that Martin (and co) can turn disliked characters into sympathetic characters so easily.
Jamie, Tyrion, the Hound, Varys, even Khal Drogo and the wildings to an extent and I'm sure others
I never disliked either Tyrion or Varys. To me, it as always apparent that they didn't stand for what their more ruthless and corrupt peers did.
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It's great that Martin (and co) can turn disliked characters into sympathetic characters so easily.
Jamie, Tyrion, the Hound, Varys, even Khal Drogo and the wildings to an extent and I'm sure others
I never disliked either Tyrion or Varys. To me, it as always apparent that they didn't stand for what their more ruthless and corrupt peers did.
Tyrion is GRRM's favorite character in the books, he's said as much.
It'll probably be at least another episode before the pace starts to ramp up. It's not really character development so much as setting up the plot and storylines for the season, which is pretty par for the course with GoT.
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It's great that Martin (and co) can turn disliked characters into sympathetic characters so easily.
Jamie, Tyrion, the Hound, Varys, even Khal Drogo and the wildings to an extent and I'm sure others
I never disliked either Tyrion or Varys. To me, it as always apparent that they didn't stand for what their more ruthless and corrupt peers did.
Tyrion is GRRM's favorite character in the books, he's said as much.
I thought he said Littlefinger is his favorite character?
Anyway, I wanted to see the little man fly. Early in the story, when he was still understood to be squarely a Lannister I think he was disliked, at least in the books (by me).
I always found him funny and liked his appearances in the book and think he nailed it in the show, but I don't think I truly came around on Tyrion until Joffrey/Cersei forced him to marry Sansa.
Varys while not completely disliked really helped contribute to Nedd's death (even if inadvertently).
I'd consider clicking on the links I provided in this very thread. The intention was 7 seasons. They are giving us bonus episodes. Nothing was cut short.
Should be interesting to see who she gets to and who she finishes off.
Should be interesting to see who she gets to and who she finishes off.
Thanks. I was hoping somebody would post this. I was too lazy to look it up. Lol.
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and they decide to blow it with two final short seasons. Never been more frustrated by a series for what it failed to do.
I'd consider clicking on the links I provided in this very thread. The intention was 7 seasons. They are giving us bonus episodes. Nothing was cut short.
I won't get into it again because its tiresome at this point and no one's mind is changing, but like a football HC, I'm taking many interviews with a grain of salt. And what was once planned almost a decade ago is surely due to see some change after many different factors take shape.
If you consider them bonus episodes, great. IMO they should have either ended it in 2017 with a full season or add on atleast another full season but we are beyond that at this point.
Side note, apparently the actor that plays Ilyn Payne is cancer free (awesome news). I doubt he gets recasted but I guess its possible.
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and they decide to blow it with two final short seasons. Never been more frustrated by a series for what it failed to do.
I'd consider clicking on the links I provided in this very thread. The intention was 7 seasons. They are giving us bonus episodes. Nothing was cut short.
I won't get into it again because its tiresome at this point and no one's mind is changing, but like a football HC, I'm taking many interviews with a grain of salt. And what was once planned almost a decade ago is surely due to see some change after many different factors take shape.
If you consider them bonus episodes, great. IMO they should have either ended it in 2017 with a full season or add on atleast another full season but we are beyond that at this point.
My response wasn't directed to you and I don't really get your point anyway. You're unhappy with the way they split it up? Cool beans. My point is, for years and years and even after Season 4, the writers flat out said they only wanted to 7 seasons. That was there intent. Sure HBO loves stringing one last super season an extra year (just like Breaking Bad did) but the viewers arent getting gypped. Aside from the annoying wait, it's a good thing IMO. We are getting more than we should have.
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A song of Ice and Fire (Stark Ice- Fire Targayan). I could see them both ruling though. Maybe Jon takes over the north, even north of the wall... and Daenyrys rules Kings Landing and the 7 Kingdoms.
Targaryens also historically marry within the family to keep the bloodline "pure". And the books at least hint at the bloodline being a reason for their bond with dragons. Seems likely that Jon leads a group to Dragonstone to get dragon glass, encounters Dany and the dragons and that the dragons somehow sense he's part Targaryen.
I really think Deanarys dies before ever ruling Westeros based on her vision at the house of the undying.
5'8" is even debated. That's what he measured at his pro day. He's probably 5'6" at the combine.
I don't feel like I'm getting fleeced when it comes to hours of content. I feel I am getting fleeced on the storytelling aspect. Once they decided to speed up time it should have just been fully condensed, ending this year. Or they should have left the speed as is and done 2 more full seasons. Maybe when it's all said and done it won't matter but it's a gripe that more people other than myself have.
If you have a gripe about them speeding it up and wishing this season was only 10 and done... well. Tis your right!
Lots of talk on this thread about Arya leaving survivors at the Twins, and basically announcing her identity like the villain in a superhero movie. I saw four or five serving girls, plus Walder's child bride. FWIW, I don't think they will be in any hurry to tell their story to the Lannisters. Those girls will probably be busy burying their dead and trying to survive, and with no army, they don't have much reason to expect sympathy or quarter from Queen Cersei. Besides, it's a long way from the Twins to Riverrun, which I think is the northern vertex of the Lannisters' current triangle of control: Lannisport/Casterly Rock in the west, King's Landing in the east, Riverrun in the north.
Writing Alys Karstark into the show was a nice easter egg for book readers.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
WTF dude? You were supposed to be the smartest person at The Wall. I think Stannis even said something like "I'll have some shipped here." I sure hope Sam didn't go through all this at the Citadel just to find out something he was told 2 seasons ago.
I agree on your 1st point, that Sansa/Jon exchange was weird. My problem was how aggressively she questioned him, but then pretty much made up and paid no mind to it in the next scene when she was recognizing his knack for leading.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
That's because Sansa sucks.
I agree on your 1st point, that Sansa/Jon exchange was weird. My problem was how aggressively she questioned him, but then pretty much made up and paid no mind to it in the next scene when she was recognizing his knack for leading.
That's why one of my favorite scenes of the series was when Sam admits to Jon he's been banging Gilly. He's been the guy who's been put down and bullied every step of the way, hope to see him rise above in the end
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There was alot to set up, now that the game changed a bit going into this season. After 6 season's of Danaerys and the White Walkers being distant and ingnored threats, they are both suddenly on everyone's minds.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
That's because Sansa sucks.
I thought the Jon v Sansa argument was intentionally written that way with Sansa purposely questioning his intentions in front of the other lords for his response.
It allowed Jon to communicate he's his "father's" son with honor and fairness, and allowed Sansa to introduce how that approach literally cost Ned and Robb their heads.
I'm not saying Sansa was that devious to think of it, but I'd guess the writers did it intentionally.
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There was alot to set up, now that the game changed a bit going into this season. After 6 season's of Danaerys and the White Walkers being distant and ingnored threats, they are both suddenly on everyone's minds.
A few things stuck out to me.
1. The Jon v Sansa argument seemed a bit sloppy to me. I don't mind the dissagreement, but I have a hard time believing Sansa would do that in front of the bannermen like that. She didn't just dissagree with Jon. She openly suggested the lords could and should feel betrayed by Jon for showing mercy to the Umbers and Karstarks, while everyone was there in the room.
2. It a bit of fun irony that a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has now ordered an army of Wildlings to guard The Wall.
3. Euron's ship is badass looking.
4. Anyone else catch the drawing of that dagger in the book Sam was reading? It sure looked like Littlefinger's Valerian steele knife that was used to frame Tyrion in the attempted assasination of Bran, back in season 1. I doubt that shot was accident. We may see that dagger again this season.
5. When Sam was asking "Professor Slughorn" for permission to use the restricted section of the library, I kept expecting him to say "Its strictly for academic purposes of course"
That's because Sansa sucks.
I thought the Jon v Sansa argument was intentionally written that way with Sansa purposely questioning his intentions in front of the other lords for his response.
It allowed Jon to communicate he's his "father's" son with honor and fairness, and allowed Sansa to introduce how that approach literally cost Ned and Robb their heads.
I'm not saying Sansa was that devious to think of it, but I'd guess the writers did it intentionally.
I hear you. I was a great contrast, with Jon wanting to do the "honorable thing", like Ned and Sansa thinking politically, like Cersie.
Its not the fact that she disagreed with him in publicly that bugged me. It was that she was basically hinting at mutiny, to all the lords sitting there, if Jon gave back the castles to the Umbers and Karstarks. She even got Lyana Mormont to raise an eyebrow at the thought.
Beric, Thoros, and The Hound have great chemistry together. You have the serious, determined leader; the drunken, partier zealot; and the brooding cynic. All you need is a tech-savy warrior (blacksmith Gendry??) and they are basically the Ninja Turtles.
The incident was already brought up a couple of times in the episode. Cersie mentions that after "the bloody mess with the Freys" they have no allies left. Also those Lannister soldiers, Arya sat with, were there because the Frey's were wiped out.
I bet more "rumors" about what happened there will start to make thier way to Winterfell and Kingslanding. It may lead to Cersie becoming increasingly paranoid. I doubt the show will never speak about it again.