In any series with so many characters and the need to bring the story to a close; there will be some bad writing, possibilities that go nowhere, the potential for the ending to be re written any number of ways ( like all the speculation about slight shifts changing the course of WW2 or the Civil War) and inconsistencies of character development.
Then on top of that, there is the storytellers desire to have a surprise ending. Then add Martins particular delight in flouting convention and fans
Same problems plagued Shakespeare and many a great writer. Consistency, tying up loose ends and ending a multi layered story will of its nature leave false trails and plot inconsistencies.
Supporting theories because otherwise they would be bad writing is going to be harder and harder to do as the series goes on.
Id claim that Martin and the current writers value entertainment and if that means bread crumbs to nowhere...then well so what?...after all more people are watching.
This is especially true as we venture past the books. I'm not sure Martin knows how to get from the widest expanse of his vision to the end state. I think he knew how to get to the A) the very wide expanse and I think he has B) a destination in mind. The toughest stretch of writing would be from A) to B).
The theories are a lot of fun but I suspect watching in an undemanding state is going to be a key to enjoying the rest of the trip
Some of the stuff people nit pick about can be argued anyway such as Dragonstone being abondoned in this thread.
I read an entire article about how a writer was appalled Euron built his Armada as fast as he did. Sure it's a stretch, but do we really want to see him building ships over months or years? He did say he wanted every man, woman, and child working on it. Who cares I say.
But pretty clearly he treated Tyrion poorly relative to Cercei and Jaime because Tyrion was an abomination to look at, way beyond even that he wasn't the golden beauty like the other two. The Lannister were perfect and Tyrion was the exact opposite. It's no spoiler, but in the books he's irrevocably hideous, not a handsome dwarf but a monster.
And that's before you even get to the fact that he killed the guy's wife.
In any series with so many characters and the need to bring the story to a close; there will be some bad writing, possibilities that go nowhere, the potential for the ending to be re written any number of ways ( like all the speculation about slight shifts changing the course of WW2 or the Civil War) and inconsistencies of character development.
Then on top of that, there is the storytellers desire to have a surprise ending. Then add Martins particular delight in flouting convention and fans
Same problems plagued Shakespeare and many a great writer. Consistency, tying up loose ends and ending a multi layered story will of its nature leave false trails and plot inconsistencies.
Supporting theories because otherwise they would be bad writing is going to be harder and harder to do as the series goes on.
Id claim that Martin and the current writers value entertainment and if that means bread crumbs to nowhere...then well so what?...after all more people are watching.
This is especially true as we venture past the books. I'm not sure Martin knows how to get from the widest expanse of his vision to the end state. I think he knew how to get to the A) the very wide expanse and I think he has B) a destination in mind. The toughest stretch of writing would be from A) to B).
The theories are a lot of fun but I suspect watching in an undemanding state is going to be a key to enjoying the rest of the trip
I worry about that too. There are potential for a few subplots to go nowhere.
-The true identity of the Lord of Light
-Debt to the Iron Bank
-House of Black and White's unfinished business with Arya
-Everyone in Essos who has had a run-in with Dany (Dario, the Warlocks, Quaith)
-Leadership of the Riverlands
I hope not, but there is a chance all of these subplots are forgotten or turn out to be red herrings.
RE: That may or may not be true wrt the Mad King and Tyrion
But pretty clearly he treated Tyrion poorly relative to Cercei and Jaime because Tyrion was an abomination to look at, way beyond even that he wasn't the golden beauty like the other two. The Lannister were perfect and Tyrion was the exact opposite. It's no spoiler, but in the books he's irrevocably hideous, not a handsome dwarf but a monster.
...whose monstrosity was doubled in A Clash of Kings by getting his head split open and his nose removed at Blackwater. The showrunners toned down his injuries drastically, leaving him with a cute little scar.
Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
RE: there's a difference between suspecting Tyrion wasn't his
and being able to prove it and being known as a kinslayer would've destroyed Tywin's reputation.
Tywin was one of the savviest players in the game, if he wanted Tyrion dead I'm positive he could have had him killed and made sure it wasn't traced to him and he wouldn't have looked like a Kinslayer and even probably could have even garnered sympathy for losing a son.
Of course it's a fiction story and the writers write what they write and part of the story being so great is how we all have theories or hopes for the plot, but I definitely don't think that's a legit reason to suspect Tywin lived with a child he suspected was not his own and was a dwarf.
ep trailer) and remember the whole 'lone wolfs die the winter, the pack survives' and turn north to join her family. The faceless men are a little too deus ex machina to kill off as important a character as Cersei, and so much else in the series doesn't support that as an end. Arya's arc ends with her regaining her humanity in full and perhaps forgiving someone from the list?
As far as Littlefinger, if he feels squeezed out of Sansa's ear, who is presenting a unified front with Jon, I could see him flipping back to Cersei and the Lannisters. As far as I know she's still unaware he coordinated Joffrey's end and they're looking for allies of all kinds. Regardless of what he does, it seems his personal avarice is too great for him to see the forest for the trees and correctly identify the walkers as the truest threat. The poetic end of Littlefinger is death by white walkers after gaining an ultimately meaningless gain in the game of the 7 kingdoms.
I think Euron takes out the Sand Snakes - Tyrion's too important to die off this early in the story but this serves that purpose (demonstration of loyalty) and ties up a weaker subplot (Dorne).
As far as loose ends - the joke that Gendry is still rowing
covers a lot of them, but they've done yeoman's work to bring almost all of them back into the tale (Benjen last season for example) - some of the trailer sleuths who look at those frame by frame found some pretty interesting stuff which suggests some of these will get resolution.
Still.... you got the biggest clue (Tywin's wife was raped by the mad king) from somewhere else.
I think that's more of a clue than the dragons not eating him.
As I said before, I got that clue from the TV show. By that point in the series, I was trying to figure out why Tywin would leave his role as the Mad King's Hand. When he told Tyrion "since I could not prove your not my son" it clicked about the possibility of Tyrion having another father.
Plus if Tywin was the Mad King's Hand for 20 years, why would he order the Lannister army to sack the city during Robert's rebellion? Why would he order the Mountain to viciously kill any remaining Targaryen family members. Something must have caused Tywin to hold such a vile vendetta against the Mad King after serving as his hand for 20 years. I didn't buy the excuse used in the show that he was mainly upset with Jaime being named to the Kingsguard. Which only leads to something more personal happening with his wife.
Can't speak on when others put together that Mad King rape theory, I didn't get it the first time watching the show. Although right after season 4 ended, I binge watched the first four seasons with in 2-3 weeks and picked up on it then.
Everything you just said makes sense but why "rape"
covers a lot of them, but they've done yeoman's work to bring almost all of them back into the tale (Benjen last season for example) - some of the trailer sleuths who look at those frame by frame found some pretty interesting stuff which suggests some of these will get resolution.
Still waiting to meet Howland Reed.
Howland Reed is the only one who can definitively confirm Jon Snow's identity unless Bran does and not sure anyone is going to believe him on that at his word, and Meera still lives as we know, so maybe Meera meets her father and he tells the story to her and Bran - it would be cool to hear someone retell the battle at the Tower of Joy instead of just seeing Bran's vision.
I think that information has to come out somehow and the ways it can realistically come out are few.
Why couldn't the mad king just have slept with her? I think In the books it specifically says she was raped among other things. No biggie though.
Similar to the story of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, majority of people believed that Rhaegar raped Lyanna. Although some like Littlefinger thought differently and Barristan Selmy spoke very highly of Rhaegar's character, led us to believe Rhaegar wouldn't do such a thing and that he must have loved Lyanna instead.
On the flip side, when the TV show gave us the clue that Tyrion might not be Tywin's son, either one of two things occured. Either Tyrion's mother fell in love with another man and got pregnant or she was raped and got pregnant.
I just leaped to the latter conclusion, as that would help explain why Tywin resigned as Hand of the King after 20 years and why he wanted vengeance against the Mad King during Robert's Rebellion.
The other theory I've seen is that he is who Euron will deliver to Cersei.
How would Euron know of Gendry's existence? It's possible I suppose, but this would bug me a little. It's as much of a leap as it is a twist.
My guess is the sand snakes or whatever they're called. I'm guessing that in order to significantly advance the plot, we need to get to the point pretty quickly where Cedsei and Euron are united. I would be surprised if Euron went to do his thing (off-screen, or very quickly covered) and returned in short order with three heads like olives on a toothpick.
or show that described it, so I apologize, if it's not show, but Tywin deeply loved Joanna, from all accounts it wasn't a typical arranged marriage of houses typical of the time.
and from all accounts the feelings were mutual I don't think it's realistic Joanna and the mad king fell in love and had an affair, I think rape is the logical conclusion if they ever even had sex.
or show that described it, so I apologize, if it's not show, but Tywin deeply loved Joanna, from all accounts it wasn't a typical arranged marriage of houses typical of the time.
and from all accounts the feelings were mutual I don't think it's realistic Joanna and the mad king fell in love and had an affair, I think rape is the logical conclusion if they ever even had sex.
Yeah. I don't think that is ever even close to mentioned in the TV series.
but the actor who plays Euron said in an interview that his character goes above and beyond Ramsay Bolton this season as a villain. Perhaps he was just hyping the show or getting carried away, but I can't even fathom the shit he'd have to do to compete with Ramsay.
And I'm not going to be specific for those that don't know... couldn't Euron's present be an "item" that was a big deal in the books? (Again, didn't read it myself so can't confirm)
That Tywin resigned as Hand of the King because the Mad King assigned Jaime to the Kingsguard. I just don't buy that as the reason to leave a highly powerful and influential role as the Hand.
If Tywin still stayed on as the Hand, he could have eventually (possibly) influenced the Mad King to release Jaime from his Kingsguard duties. Something like with Tywin being the wealthiest person in that kingdom, if the King needed to borrow some funds, Tywin as the Hand could have given a donation to release Jaime from the Kingsguard on a royal pardon or something.
By Tywin resigning as the Hand, something else must have occurred. Especially with his reason's for later joining Robert's Rebellion and sacking Kings Landing and giving orders to the Mountain and the Lannister army to act so viciously against the remaining Targaryen's.
Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
that the two of them would meet again (the episode where Melisandre takes Gendry from the Brotherhood). I wonder where that meeting is taking place? The trailers placed Melisandre at Dragonstone, which could make for a warm and fuzzy reunion with Jon and Davos.
why Gendry is more important than Edric? and if Edric isn't in the shows then just ignore this or let me know he's not in the shows.
Never read the books and seen the TV series from start to finish (as of season 6) about 5 times now. Never heard the name Edric before.
Although curious, I did a quick google search and saw the TV writers merged Edric's storyline to Gendry's. So they are basically the same person Edric for book readers and Gendry for TV viewers.
Only real difference I read about the two, that Edric since his mother was a noble, was raised with privilege and since Gendry's mother worked in a brothel, he was an unknown bastard.
Outside of those two very different upbringing, they have similar storylines with how they were used by Stannis and Melisandre.
Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
I think it's pretty clear they are leaning towards Jon being "the one" or whatever you want to call it and Melisandre misinterpreted the signs at first with Stannis. She already brought him back from the dead. I think we find out why Beric keeps getting brought back also... Most likely it's because they all have a "role to play in the Great War to come" . I think they've flat out said that actually. Im not sure the God himself needs to be reincarnated.
Jaqen had an affinity for Arya. He saw her grow as a person and finally take ownership of who she was. He wanted her to stay but understood her reasoning. When she finally said "I am Arya Stark of Winterfell" he smiled like he was happy for her. He said a debt must be paid and a face was due and she put a face on the wall. That was one of the best moments of that rather weak storyline IMO. I see no reason why Jaqen needs to come back for her.
What's the deal with the Iron Bank? I know its in debt. Is this really something we want to waste precious minutes on?
but the actor who plays Euron said in an interview that his character goes above and beyond Ramsay Bolton this season as a villain. Perhaps he was just hyping the show or getting carried away, but I can't even fathom the shit he'd have to do to compete with Ramsay.
You would have to imagine a huge "fan favorite" death IMO. What else could it be?
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
that gets Littlefinger back in the game. He's the one that got the Lannisters in debt in the first place, and is the only one of the remaining players (other than Davos) that has any experience with them. He's also backed by a prominent house/army.
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
Yeah Tyrion too, though I can't remember if he had direct dealings with them but it's certainly possible that he can scratch up money from Dani to start paying them back.
Book readers: Do you think Euron's gift on the show
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
Again. This seems like a book "thang". Yeah, they briefly touch on this in Season 1 but it hasn't been a focus of the television series at all. Who's to say there's even going to be any Lannisters left at the end of this? Their focus right now is staying alive. They are surrounded by enemies trying to kill them and if they some how miraculously survive all that (keep in mind these enemies are emotionally driven not financially) they have to still fight in the great war to come. If they start putting precedent on their debts over everything else that's going on right now I think it would actually be pretty annoying. At least in terms of the show and the amount of time they've spent with it. Books I couldn't answer for.
From a show only perspective they make sure that the Iron Bank is a lurking power player. Stannis and Davos sailed the narrow sea to Bravos just to broker a deal
with them. There were numerous mentions in Kings Landing beyond season 1. I could be wrong but wasn't there a scene where one of their reps came out to meet Stannis in the North?
It has more to do with the bank being a surprise ally
Do they even have time to spend on yet another faction? I thought this season was about finally having all the players on the main stage and wrapping it up.
Then on top of that, there is the storytellers desire to have a surprise ending. Then add Martins particular delight in flouting convention and fans
Same problems plagued Shakespeare and many a great writer. Consistency, tying up loose ends and ending a multi layered story will of its nature leave false trails and plot inconsistencies.
Supporting theories because otherwise they would be bad writing is going to be harder and harder to do as the series goes on.
Id claim that Martin and the current writers value entertainment and if that means bread crumbs to nowhere...then well so what?...after all more people are watching.
This is especially true as we venture past the books. I'm not sure Martin knows how to get from the widest expanse of his vision to the end state. I think he knew how to get to the A) the very wide expanse and I think he has B) a destination in mind. The toughest stretch of writing would be from A) to B).
The theories are a lot of fun but I suspect watching in an undemanding state is going to be a key to enjoying the rest of the trip
I read an entire article about how a writer was appalled Euron built his Armada as fast as he did. Sure it's a stretch, but do we really want to see him building ships over months or years? He did say he wanted every man, woman, and child working on it. Who cares I say.
And that's before you even get to the fact that he killed the guy's wife.
Then on top of that, there is the storytellers desire to have a surprise ending. Then add Martins particular delight in flouting convention and fans
Same problems plagued Shakespeare and many a great writer. Consistency, tying up loose ends and ending a multi layered story will of its nature leave false trails and plot inconsistencies.
Supporting theories because otherwise they would be bad writing is going to be harder and harder to do as the series goes on.
Id claim that Martin and the current writers value entertainment and if that means bread crumbs to nowhere...then well so what?...after all more people are watching.
This is especially true as we venture past the books. I'm not sure Martin knows how to get from the widest expanse of his vision to the end state. I think he knew how to get to the A) the very wide expanse and I think he has B) a destination in mind. The toughest stretch of writing would be from A) to B).
The theories are a lot of fun but I suspect watching in an undemanding state is going to be a key to enjoying the rest of the trip
I worry about that too. There are potential for a few subplots to go nowhere.
-The true identity of the Lord of Light
-Debt to the Iron Bank
-House of Black and White's unfinished business with Arya
-Everyone in Essos who has had a run-in with Dany (Dario, the Warlocks, Quaith)
-Leadership of the Riverlands
I hope not, but there is a chance all of these subplots are forgotten or turn out to be red herrings.
Tywin was one of the savviest players in the game, if he wanted Tyrion dead I'm positive he could have had him killed and made sure it wasn't traced to him and he wouldn't have looked like a Kinslayer and even probably could have even garnered sympathy for losing a son.
Of course it's a fiction story and the writers write what they write and part of the story being so great is how we all have theories or hopes for the plot, but I definitely don't think that's a legit reason to suspect Tywin lived with a child he suspected was not his own and was a dwarf.
As far as Littlefinger, if he feels squeezed out of Sansa's ear, who is presenting a unified front with Jon, I could see him flipping back to Cersei and the Lannisters. As far as I know she's still unaware he coordinated Joffrey's end and they're looking for allies of all kinds. Regardless of what he does, it seems his personal avarice is too great for him to see the forest for the trees and correctly identify the walkers as the truest threat. The poetic end of Littlefinger is death by white walkers after gaining an ultimately meaningless gain in the game of the 7 kingdoms.
I think Euron takes out the Sand Snakes - Tyrion's too important to die off this early in the story but this serves that purpose (demonstration of loyalty) and ties up a weaker subplot (Dorne).
Still waiting to meet Howland Reed.
I think that's more of a clue than the dragons not eating him.
As I said before, I got that clue from the TV show. By that point in the series, I was trying to figure out why Tywin would leave his role as the Mad King's Hand. When he told Tyrion "since I could not prove your not my son" it clicked about the possibility of Tyrion having another father.
Plus if Tywin was the Mad King's Hand for 20 years, why would he order the Lannister army to sack the city during Robert's rebellion? Why would he order the Mountain to viciously kill any remaining Targaryen family members. Something must have caused Tywin to hold such a vile vendetta against the Mad King after serving as his hand for 20 years. I didn't buy the excuse used in the show that he was mainly upset with Jaime being named to the Kingsguard. Which only leads to something more personal happening with his wife.
Can't speak on when others put together that Mad King rape theory, I didn't get it the first time watching the show. Although right after season 4 ended, I binge watched the first four seasons with in 2-3 weeks and picked up on it then.
Still waiting to meet Howland Reed.
Howland Reed is the only one who can definitively confirm Jon Snow's identity unless Bran does and not sure anyone is going to believe him on that at his word, and Meera still lives as we know, so maybe Meera meets her father and he tells the story to her and Bran - it would be cool to hear someone retell the battle at the Tower of Joy instead of just seeing Bran's vision.
I think that information has to come out somehow and the ways it can realistically come out are few.
The other theory I've seen is that he is who Euron will deliver to Cersei.
Similar to the story of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, majority of people believed that Rhaegar raped Lyanna. Although some like Littlefinger thought differently and Barristan Selmy spoke very highly of Rhaegar's character, led us to believe Rhaegar wouldn't do such a thing and that he must have loved Lyanna instead.
On the flip side, when the TV show gave us the clue that Tyrion might not be Tywin's son, either one of two things occured. Either Tyrion's mother fell in love with another man and got pregnant or she was raped and got pregnant.
I just leaped to the latter conclusion, as that would help explain why Tywin resigned as Hand of the King after 20 years and why he wanted vengeance against the Mad King during Robert's Rebellion.
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The other theory I've seen is that he is who Euron will deliver to Cersei.
How would Euron know of Gendry's existence? It's possible I suppose, but this would bug me a little. It's as much of a leap as it is a twist.
My guess is the sand snakes or whatever they're called. I'm guessing that in order to significantly advance the plot, we need to get to the point pretty quickly where Cedsei and Euron are united. I would be surprised if Euron went to do his thing (off-screen, or very quickly covered) and returned in short order with three heads like olives on a toothpick.
My second guess would be Sansa.
and from all accounts the feelings were mutual I don't think it's realistic Joanna and the mad king fell in love and had an affair, I think rape is the logical conclusion if they ever even had sex.
and from all accounts the feelings were mutual I don't think it's realistic Joanna and the mad king fell in love and had an affair, I think rape is the logical conclusion if they ever even had sex.
Yeah. I don't think that is ever even close to mentioned in the TV series.
And I **wouldn't** be surprised...
And please be vague if answering....
If Tywin still stayed on as the Hand, he could have eventually (possibly) influenced the Mad King to release Jaime from his Kingsguard duties. Something like with Tywin being the wealthiest person in that kingdom, if the King needed to borrow some funds, Tywin as the Hand could have given a donation to release Jaime from the Kingsguard on a royal pardon or something.
By Tywin resigning as the Hand, something else must have occurred. Especially with his reason's for later joining Robert's Rebellion and sacking Kings Landing and giving orders to the Mountain and the Lannister army to act so viciously against the remaining Targaryen's.
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
Never read the books and seen the TV series from start to finish (as of season 6) about 5 times now. Never heard the name Edric before.
Although curious, I did a quick google search and saw the TV writers merged Edric's storyline to Gendry's. So they are basically the same person Edric for book readers and Gendry for TV viewers.
Outside of those two very different upbringing, they have similar storylines with how they were used by Stannis and Melisandre.
Robert had many bastards like Gendry, is he the only one the show mentions?
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Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
I think it's pretty clear they are leaning towards Jon being "the one" or whatever you want to call it and Melisandre misinterpreted the signs at first with Stannis. She already brought him back from the dead. I think we find out why Beric keeps getting brought back also... Most likely it's because they all have a "role to play in the Great War to come" . I think they've flat out said that actually. Im not sure the God himself needs to be reincarnated.
Jaqen had an affinity for Arya. He saw her grow as a person and finally take ownership of who she was. He wanted her to stay but understood her reasoning. When she finally said "I am Arya Stark of Winterfell" he smiled like he was happy for her. He said a debt must be paid and a face was due and she put a face on the wall. That was one of the best moments of that rather weak storyline IMO. I see no reason why Jaqen needs to come back for her.
What's the deal with the Iron Bank? I know its in debt. Is this really something we want to waste precious minutes on?
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So there has to be some sort of meaning behind it.
Robert had many bastards like Gendry, is he the only one the show mentions?
All of the bastards are killed. Cersei and Joffrey had them all killed. He is the only one thought to be remaining.
You would have to imagine a huge "fan favorite" death IMO. What else could it be?
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can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
Yeah Tyrion too, though I can't remember if he had direct dealings with them but it's certainly possible that he can scratch up money from Dani to start paying them back.
Yea, I think that has to be right.
Also have to remember that Bran will more than likely warg into one of the dragons to fulfill his destiny of flying.
Again. This seems like a book "thang". Yeah, they briefly touch on this in Season 1 but it hasn't been a focus of the television series at all. Who's to say there's even going to be any Lannisters left at the end of this? Their focus right now is staying alive. They are surrounded by enemies trying to kill them and if they some how miraculously survive all that (keep in mind these enemies are emotionally driven not financially) they have to still fight in the great war to come. If they start putting precedent on their debts over everything else that's going on right now I think it would actually be pretty annoying. At least in terms of the show and the amount of time they've spent with it. Books I couldn't answer for.
with them. There were numerous mentions in Kings Landing beyond season 1. I could be wrong but wasn't there a scene where one of their reps came out to meet Stannis in the North?