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NFT: Knicks Chat 7/17/2017- As the Melo turns

DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 9:09 am
- Some are suggesting the Blazers "interest" is fully fabricated either by the Knicks or the Blazers themselves (theory being the fan reaction to their involvement helping perceived rivals the Rockets get better while they land... Ryan Anderson has been quite poor)

-Mills reportedly is supportive of letting the coach make all "system" decisions, Phil was not (this according to Berman)

-Also per Berman, the Knicks aren't really trying to convince Melo to stay. They are looking to reset negotiations but are willing to keep Melo as a mentor type if Melo is open to it.

-Mills reportedly wanted Waiters more than THjr but became "desperate". Berman believes Mills misplayed the market with the Baker signing after seeing guys like Felton/Jeff Green sign for what they did. As I've noted the actual $$ doesn't bother me, the PO is the issue.
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Pretty big indictment of Mills there  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2017 9:11 am : link
if there's truth to that, and it certainly does seem probably.
That's our organization in a nutshell.  
Keith : 7/17/2017 9:11 am : link
We fire Phil and then Mills is thrown into the fire and panics. That's about right.

I would put the chances of Melo going to Portland at close to 0.
not sure about 0%.  
Carl in CT : 7/17/2017 9:14 am : link
If this shit show continues he may pay the Knicks to get him out of here ANYWHERE!
I think the whole Portand thing was  
Keith : 7/17/2017 9:14 am : link
from CJ posting the pic of Melo in a portland uniform.

With the new chapter in the Melo drama, you'd think other teams(if interested) would reach out to the Knicks. If you are a team that thinks Melo is a difference maker, isn't this when you call the Knicks to see if you can get something going?
One  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 9:15 am : link
thing that should be a positive with the Perry hire is he's known for very strong relationships with his players. There was clearly a disconnect between Phil and the players so in theory the "culture" should improve in that regard. That being said Zeke was close with the players and... lol
Why couldn't Mills just sit on his ass and do nothing?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/17/2017 9:18 am : link
That would have been so much better than handing out guaranteed money like he did.
Maybe  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 9:19 am : link
it can be explained away by sample size but Ryan Anderson 35 career playoff games 36% from the field. It seems like when defenses clamp down Anderson really struggles. I had some similar concerns with Markkanen.
Melo isnt going to POR....  
Italianju : 7/17/2017 9:19 am : link
but he needs to decide if he wants to stay or at least give the knicks more options. If nothing else if he is willing to open up his list then maybe the knicks can get HOU to up the offer. I obviously dont want him to stay, but id rather he stays then the knicks take a crap offer. I mean wherever he goes he only has to go there for one year. So does he want to open up his list to include some more teams or does he want to stay in NY on a rebuilding team that wants to transition to a new star.
Mills  
TyreeHelmet : 7/17/2017 9:20 am : link
Mills really played his cards right. He went from potentially being removed from all basketball matters to getting a promotion as President along with a new contract/ raise.

It sucks but that Hardaway signing had to be rooted in Mills demonstrating to Dolan he could deliver a player that Dolan liked and was familiar with.

Good article here.
Swiss Cheese D - ( New Window )
I  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/17/2017 9:28 am : link
don't buy the last piece of info from Berman for a second (and the rest of what he says for that matter). Every single piece of info Berman has thrown out there this offseason has been 100% false and he knows it. He tried to drum up clicks and reads by linking the Knicks to every top free agent out there. Now that his narrative was clearly shown as false (Waiters being the Knicks top target) by the fact Hardaway got more money, he writes some BS story that Mills panic'd and threw money at Hardaway. That doesn't even make sense.... but Berman knows that with how dysfunctional this team has been he can throw any bull against the wall to cover up the fact that he has no inside info and the fan base has been so jaded by the team they will believe it.
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 7/17/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13529882 Steve in Greenwich said:
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don't buy the last piece of info from Berman for a second (and the rest of what he says for that matter). Every single piece of info Berman has thrown out there this offseason has been 100% false and he knows it. He tried to drum up clicks and reads by linking the Knicks to every top free agent out there. Now that his narrative was clearly shown as false (Waiters being the Knicks top target) by the fact Hardaway got more money, he writes some BS story that Mills panic'd and threw money at Hardaway. That doesn't even make sense.... but Berman knows that with how dysfunctional this team has been he can throw any bull against the wall to cover up the fact that he has no inside info and the fan base has been so jaded by the team they will believe it.


it is the same as isola, he was on sportcenter saying knicks should pull back from trade talks and try to up their leverage and melos value...

then the next day after isola claims it was at the 2 yard line, he kills the knicks for taking a step back and not completing the deal...

isola and berman report the opposite of each other so when 1 is right the other can throw it in the others face....

also espn reported  
nygiants16 : 7/17/2017 9:32 am : link
that mills is more of the business guy and perry will be able to do what he sees fit on the basketball side including bringing in some of his own guys...

mills will have his name on all the moves but perry will be doing all the work...
RE: Maybe  
Enzo : 7/17/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13529877 DanMetroMan said:
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it can be explained away by sample size but Ryan Anderson 35 career playoff games 36% from the field. It seems like when defenses clamp down Anderson really struggles. I had some similar concerns with Markkanen.

we sort of saw this on a smaller scale with Novak against good teams. You don't even need to "clamp down". You can put your worst defender on a guy like that - all he has to do is stand next to him and his effectiveness is limited.
I hope Perry keeps Clarence Gaines  
Ira : 7/17/2017 9:38 am : link
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"Berman believes Mills misplayed the market "  
Enzo : 7/17/2017 9:52 am : link
between Berman and Mills I don't know who sucks at their job more. Regardless, I'm all for a tank (intentional or not) but there's a difference between losing games because you're a young/developing team and there's losing games because the team is a horrific at basketball. At some point you need a professional NBA point guard on the roster or you risk negatively impacting the development of anyone worth a damn on this roster.
...  
Keith : 7/17/2017 9:57 am : link
How much did Phil Jacksons criticism of you when he traded you to the Hawks in 2015 motivate you? Tim Hardaway Jr: It motivated me big-time. Then when I went down to the D-League, it really felt like he was getting the best of me, you know? But I loved it, I loved the challenge and I loved the opportunity that was at stake, you know? You could either fold, or you could get up on your feet and stand for who you are as a person. My whole motto is to prove people wrong. Ive been doing that ever since I was in high school, and I just live with that and thrive off of it and keep that saying on my head every single time when I feel like Im down or we as a team were down. 5 hours ago via New York Post
...  
Keith : 7/17/2017 9:57 am : link
You have new fodder now because many Knicks fans think your four-year, $71 million deal is the most insane contract theyve ever seen. Tim Hardaway Jr: I would tell em theyre getting a different ballplayer than what they saw previous years. I definitely grew as a ballplayer, grew as a man on and off the floor. I just want them to know that theyre gonna get the best of Tim Hardaway Jr. 24/7, 365 days of the year, and they wont regret it. Q: So youre worth the money? Tim Hardaway Jr: I think so. I know so. I know how much work Ive put into the offseason, I know how much work I put in during the season, and I dont think its a mistake at all. 5 hours ago via New York Post
would love to be a fly on the wall  
Pep22 : 7/17/2017 10:13 am : link
for the question Perry will inevitably pose to Hornacek, "so, Brandon Knight...is he as bad as his recent stats suggest or do you believe he can come in and hold the fort until Ntilikina is ready?".

If the former is JHs opinion, clearly they avoid him at all costs.

If the latter, I'd love to get TJ Warren as a sweetener to take him i.e. Lee + Kooz for Knight + Warren.

Either way, we are fortunate to have JH offer his opinion on this one, especially given the utter lack of lead guards available.

While I am lukewarm at best on BK, I really love Warren's well developed offensive repertoire.
RE: Mills  
Deej : 7/17/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13529879 TyreeHelmet said:
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Mills really played his cards right. He went from potentially being removed from all basketball matters to getting a promotion as President along with a new contract/ raise.

It sucks but that Hardaway signing had to be rooted in Mills demonstrating to Dolan he could deliver a player that Dolan liked and was familiar with.

Good article here. Swiss Cheese D - ( New Window )


So it's a bad signing because Atlanta WANTED to pay him just 48 million, and because lesser players got less money? Not a great argument.

IMO it was a bit of an overpay, but if you look at what similar players got in this age range the past two offseasons, THJR's contract is easily justifiable.
RE: would love to be a fly on the wall  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 10:28 am : link
In comment 13529940 Pep22 said:
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for the question Perry will inevitably pose to Hornacek, "so, Brandon Knight...is he as bad as his recent stats suggest or do you believe he can come in and hold the fort until Ntilikina is ready?".

If the former is JHs opinion, clearly they avoid him at all costs.

If the latter, I'd love to get TJ Warren as a sweetener to take him i.e. Lee + Kooz for Knight + Warren.

Either way, we are fortunate to have JH offer his opinion on this one, especially given the utter lack of lead guards available.

While I am lukewarm at best on BK, I really love Warren's well developed offensive repertoire.


Knight was awful under Hornacek and owed big money for what he is. He was benched this season due to lack of defensive effort and the Knicks would be his 4th team. Hard pass.

In fact

Player A 26 in December .047 career WS/48, 2017 .015 WS/48

Player B 25 in November career .045 WS/48, 2017 .036 WS/48

One is owed 43 million, the other can likely be had for close to the minimum. Awful move.
I'd do Noah  
Enzo : 7/17/2017 10:32 am : link
for Knight. That's about it!
RE: I'd do Noah  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 10:36 am : link
In comment 13529964 Enzo said:
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for Knight. That's about it!


For sure but I'm talking realistically lol Noah for Knight 100%. Otherwise hard pass. In fact even if Hornacek advocated for him I'd pass. 43 million is too much to gamble on Jeff Hornacek's view of the guy (especially with Hornacek likely desperate for any PG he can get.) Knight had one run of good ball in his career, 52 games for the Bucks otherwise he's been a flat turd. People are mocking the THjr signing, if we "gave" Knight 3 years 43 people would be laughing their asses off.
Knicks presser on MSG at 2:00 PM  
TheMick7 : 7/17/2017 10:49 am : link
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Of these three, who would you want at PG:  
Anakim : 7/17/2017 11:21 am : link
Trey Burke, Tyler Ennis or Demetrius Jackson?
Ennis  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 11:27 am : link
actually played pretty well for the Lakers. They should just add one of these guys. Knight isn't worth looking at.
I think Warren  
Pep22 : 7/17/2017 11:41 am : link
is the hidden gem that is probably available given the Josh Jackson pick. To me, he has a very similar skill set to a guy in SL that people are raving about...Jayson Tatum.
Draft question as it relates to Phil  
tbonfig : 7/17/2017 11:43 am : link
I'm sure it was discussed post-Phil firing but how do you think we would have drafted if Phil wasn't here? Think Frenchie was still the choice?
RE: Draft question as it relates to Phil  
Sgrcts : 7/17/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13530026 tbonfig said:
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I'm sure it was discussed post-Phil firing but how do you think we would have drafted if Phil wasn't here? Think Frenchie was still the choice?


Who cares? Can we stop talking about this already until we see him play even 3 minutes of NBA basketball?
Jackson would be a nice  
Metnut : 7/17/2017 12:14 pm : link
pickup for the Knicks. He was completely buried in Boston because of their insane depth.
Melo-drama still far from resolution?  
PhilSimms15 : 7/17/2017 12:21 pm : link
It seems that Jackson left the Knicks with one big mess -- his constant harping and ripping of Melo has left his trade value low and his morale even lower.

I don't believe the articles that say the Knicks would like to try and keep him as their mantra since Jackson left has been "athletic, long and young," and Melo is none of those things.

The problem is that right now, it looks like a marketplace of one team in Houston, and without taking on the ugly Anderson contract (which they should not do), Houston would have to to Ariza and Gordon (and that's not enough anyway).

The likely outcome is that the Knicks bring Melo back and hope he plays well enough that some contender will want him around the trade deadline.
Rockets  
Pep22 : 7/17/2017 12:55 pm : link
also have a presser at 2pm. Coincidence?
RE: Rockets  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13530108 Pep22 said:
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also have a presser at 2pm. Coincidence?


The CEO is making the announcement so it's likely something business related ie Morey extension or uniform branding.
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DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 2:10 pm : link
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Steve Mills says Knicks will emphasize pride, work ethic, accountability, youth, athleticism. Mentions the term rebuilding.
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Scott Perry says he's 'humbled' by the opportunity to help run the Knicks as new general manager. He thanks his family for their support.
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Steve Mills says Scott Perry will have the freedom & flexibility to add/change front office staff while working in tandem with Mills on it.
Scott Perry  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2017 2:11 pm : link
was very impressive in his opening remarks.
I'm really liking Scott Perry  
DennyInDenville : 7/17/2017 2:14 pm : link
He wants to own this

He's not scared like Griffin was

He sees the $$$ and knows he can gain Mills trust and truly stamp his name on the next Knicks great team!
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DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 2:17 pm : link
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"We also feel that Carmelo could easily be a part of our team next year," Mills on Carmelo.
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DennyInDenville : 7/17/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13530176 DanMetroMan said:
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"We also feel that Carmelo could easily be a part of our team next year," Mills on Carmelo.

After Mills admitted we are shopping him actively and have been
Is a Melo buyout an option? To Steve mills  
DennyInDenville : 7/17/2017 2:23 pm : link
Steve mills says " No. "
Very smart  
Pep22 : 7/17/2017 2:26 pm : link
to be ambiguous here. In other words, not advertise that they are compelled to trade him (i.e. what Phil did). This should make HOU sweat a bit, hopefully to the point where they are giving up meaningful assets be it draft picks, the Chinese kid, Llull, Hartenstein etc.
RE: RE: Draft question as it relates to Phil  
tbonfig : 7/17/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13530052 Sgrcts said:
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In comment 13530026 tbonfig said:


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I'm sure it was discussed post-Phil firing but how do you think we would have drafted if Phil wasn't here? Think Frenchie was still the choice?



Who cares? Can we stop talking about this already until we see him play even 3 minutes of NBA basketball?


Well, I care, which is why I asked the question. The question is not shitting on Frenchie, just curious if anyone thinks we would have went in a different direction instead of drafting a player seemingly fit for the triangle.
Mills is brutal right now  
DennyInDenville : 7/17/2017 2:31 pm : link
Scott looks great tho
Llull  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 2:32 pm : link
is of zero value to the Knicks. He's 30 and signed through 2021. He has a massive buyout. Not even worth asking about him.
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 2:34 pm : link
Sounds like Rockets draftee Sergio Llull, perhaps the top player left in Europe these days, is in no rush to move to Houston. In an interview with COPE radio in Spain, the 29-year-old guard once again stated he has no intention of leaving Real Madrid for now.
"I'm not in the NBA because I'm happy in Madrid. Houston has been waiting for me three of four years."
"They tried to convince me, but I am where I want to be in Madrid. Houston has been very respectful of my decision. They didn't pressure me and congratulate me on my success. I've never closed the door on the NBA. I live in the present."
"I have a contract with Real Madrid until 2021 and I plan on fulfilling it."
Mills with a ringing endorsement of Frank.  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2017 2:35 pm : link
Hornacek likes him, too. May be lip service, but it sounded convincing.
RE: Mills with a ringing endorsement of Frank.  
Anakim : 7/17/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13530211 bceagle05 said:
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Hornacek likes him, too. May be lip service, but it sounded convincing.


I mean, what else would he say? "I never wanted to draft Frank"?
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 2:44 pm : link
fulling supporting all members of the Knicks but Hornacek has yet to even see Frank play up close thanks to no workout and then his knee "issue". If their praise was anything less than effusive it would be notable.
Just sign one of Trey Burke, Tyler Ennis and Demetrius Jackson  
Anakim : 7/17/2017 2:45 pm : link
And call it a day. No need to trade for a "veteran" point guard
of course Mills isn't qualified  
Enzo : 7/17/2017 2:46 pm : link
to run a draft...but that's neither here nor there.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 2:49 pm : link
not even confident Brandon Knight would be the best option if he were a FA let alone owed 43 million. Sign one of the available guys and go to war.
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Anakim : 7/17/2017 2:49 pm : link
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