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NFT: Yanks Talk - Adding a Local Boy and an Old Friend???

LarmerTJR : 7/17/2017 11:31 am
Yanks looking at a possibility to add Todd Frazier and David Robertson???
Seemed like a bogus article to me.  
yatqb : 7/17/2017 11:33 am : link
No proof they'd called, and they are monitoring them in the normal fashion as opposed to sending scouts to the games.
I received a news flash from Score.com....not much...  
LarmerTJR : 7/17/2017 11:41 am : link
To the article, but I wanted to start a discussion for today....
I could live with a return of Houdini  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2017 11:44 am : link
But it's kind of amusing to think that the move to bolster a bullpen that goes through stretches where they can't throw a strike involves bringing in David Robertson.
if they don't trade for Frazier  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 7/17/2017 11:46 am : link
Boston will... maybe it's a ploy to raise the asking price?
Frazier's hitting something like .210. We've got one of those  
yatqb : 7/17/2017 11:58 am : link
ourselves.
Frazier has more pop  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2017 12:16 pm : link
But I definitely agree that it's mostly a lateral move.

He does hit a lot of fly balls and he has walked a lot this year. At first blush it looks like he's due for some positive BABIP regression, but it could be difficult to come by hitting so many fly balls.

I think he's a little better player than Headley but I wouldn't give up much at all for Frazier.
The only Frazier I care about is Clint.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/17/2017 12:20 pm : link
He should be in the lineup everyday until Hicks comes back, which might not be for 3 or 4 weeks.
Neither of these moves makes a lot of sense.  
Heisenberg : 7/17/2017 12:26 pm : link
Frazier is strictly a rental. What would be the point of giving up an asset for a half a season of that production?

And Robertson would be so expensive and isn't very necessary.
a quality reliever isn't necessary?  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2017 12:28 pm : link
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Depends on the price  
arniefez : 7/17/2017 12:30 pm : link
in players and getting under tax before the start of the 2018 season. Robertson would be a good get. Don't forget the Yankees have about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year over. It's the right time to package a few of them and maybe one blue chip for 2018 help.
RE: a quality reliever isn't necessary?  
Heisenberg : 7/17/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13530064 Greg from LI said:
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I love the guy, but the Yankees set the market for reliever trades pretty high. I don't want to pay a similar price for Robertson when it's not a very big need.
RE: Depends on the price  
superspynyg : 7/17/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13530067 arniefez said:
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in players and getting under tax before the start of the 2018 season. Robertson would be a good get. Don't forget the Yankees have about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year over. It's the right time to package a few of them and maybe one blue chip for 2018 help.


Agreed that this is to drive up the price for the Beantown bastards. We would have to give up a coveted player for Todd.
Sure bring in Todd We don't strike out enough  
Stu11 : 7/17/2017 12:58 pm : link
We could have hit an even 25 K's Saturday with him in the fold...
RE: Depends on the price  
rich in DC : 7/17/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13530067 arniefez said:
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in players and getting under tax before the start of the 2018 season. Robertson would be a good get. Don't forget the Yankees have about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year over. It's the right time to package a few of them and maybe one blue chip for 2018 help.


Once again, no- there are not "about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year is over."

The likely count is closer to 3 or 4. The Yanks have slowly been adding guys who needed protection as the year has gone on (Montgomery, Smith, Wade, Fowler, Frazier, etc.).

If you look at this link (I would note that Torres and Abreu are not on the list, but does need protection), we can ID the following guys who likely need Rule 5 protection:

Littell, Acevedo, Estrada, McKinney, Feyereisen, Torres and Abreu. Polo and Tarpley are probably on the edge.

There are arguments for the following, but they are not likely to be protected: Cave (too many better guys ahead of him), Crawford (underperforming), Cortes (not enough "stuff"), Avelino (underperforming).

Taking that list together, there are 6 "definites" and two "probables" that need to be added.

We also know that Clippard, CC, Pineda, and Holliday will all be FA at the end of the year. We also know that Fowler and Bird are on the 60 day DL and must be added back at the end of the year. It probably goes without saying that Choi and Cooper would likely be dropped then. We also have no idea if Tanaka exercises his opt-out clause or not. That means that the Yanks will have 4 definite spots opening.

That would likely mean that the Yanks would add Torres, Acevedo, Littell and Abreu without any trouble.

We also know that Cashman has been successful trading Rule 5 eligibles- I suspect that he can probably get someone useful for Feyereisen as a ML ready reliever and maybe trade one or two more.

That would leave McKinney, Estrada, Cave, Polo and Tarpley as the guys who would be possibilities of being taken in the Rule 5 draft.

With that said, I believe that Cave can be a minor league FA (more than 6 years in the minors and not the 40 man roster). Polo might be as well.

So, no- the picture is nowhere near as dire as you portrayed.
Yankee prospects eligible for Rule 5 - ( New Window )
I'm intrigued by Sonny Gray  
Kyle in NY : 7/17/2017 2:29 pm : link
it's not a pure win now move as he's still controllable for two more seasons of arbitration after this one. Starting pitching is a major need for next season. Could potentially lose Tanaka, CC, and Pineda. That trade helps this season and beyond.

Some reports trickling out that the Yankees were further down the line with Quintana than many believed before the Cubs blew everyone out of the water with that offer. If there's a way to get Gray while still holding onto Frazier (I'm just assuming Torres is untouchable, as he should be) then I'm thinking long and hard about that one.
Green  
mitch300 : 7/17/2017 3:15 pm : link
looks like a could be an asset to the BP. It's early, but he does look promising. Can he pitch back to back games is the question and be effective. Robertson will be very expensive.
Interesting...  
EddieNYG : 7/17/2017 3:40 pm : link
[quote]Ken Rosenthal‏Verified account @Ken_Rosenthal 8m8 minutes ago

Sources: #Athletics recently had top scout watching #Yankees’ Class A Charleston club. Both Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso would fit NYY well.[/quote}
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EddieNYG : 7/17/2017 3:40 pm : link
^Sorry
RE: Interesting...  
Kyle in NY : 7/17/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13530292 EddieNYG said:
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[quote]Ken Rosenthal‏Verified account @Ken_Rosenthal 8m8 minutes ago

Sources: #Athletics recently had top scout watching #Yankees’ Class A Charleston club. Both Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso would fit NYY well.[/quote}


Rutherford, Florial, Park are at Chalreston, among others
I'm not saying it's a great idea but Robertson's contract  
arniefez : 7/17/2017 4:17 pm : link
really isn't an issue. He's a Free Agent after 2018. It's less than a year and half contract.
eh  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2017 4:30 pm : link
Not sure how much I'd be willing to give up for Alonso in his career season and the now-pretty ordinary Sonny Gray.
According to Fangraphs, Luis Severino is currently 5th  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/17/2017 4:35 pm : link
in Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP). He trails 4 pitchers with a combined 6 Cy Young Awards (Chris Sale, Kluber, Scherzer, and Kershaw).

Sevy is making $550,975 this season. Those 4 guys are making a combined $77,414,429 this season.
RE: eh  
RasputinPrime : 7/17/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13530348 Greg from LI said:
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Not sure how much I'd be willing to give up for Alonso in his career season and the now-pretty ordinary Sonny Gray.


PASS-PASS
Greg  
Kyle in NY : 7/17/2017 4:41 pm : link
where is starting pitching going to come from in the next few seasons? Kaprielian is an unknown at this point. Adams has great numbers but clearly there are things they still need to see from him, Sheffield is the best internal hope at this point. And I'd say his ceiling is a solid 2nd or 3rd starter.

Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would
lack of options at the moment is not a good reason  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2017 4:51 pm : link
to overpay for Sonny Gray.
RE: Greg  
RasputinPrime : 7/17/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13530361 Kyle in NY said:
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where is starting pitching going to come from in the next few seasons? Kaprielian is an unknown at this point. Adams has great numbers but clearly there are things they still need to see from him, Sheffield is the best internal hope at this point. And I'd say his ceiling is a solid 2nd or 3rd starter.

Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would


There are always re-tread options available. I'm not interested in gambling on Gray ever getting back to what he was anymore than I am in giving Pineda a deal hoping he comes back to be the best he's been.
The price is obviously the major consideration  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2017 4:59 pm : link
But I'd agree that the numbers say Gray is quite good.

Maybe not a true ace ala Sale/Scherzer/deGrom, but I think definitely a viable #2 behind Severino over the intermediate term.

Lots of differing opinions about whether NYY should be trading prospects for pitching in general. If they were to go the trade route, they could do a hell of a lot worse than Gray.
RE: RE: Greg  
Kyle in NY : 7/17/2017 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13530385 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 13530361 Kyle in NY said:


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where is starting pitching going to come from in the next few seasons? Kaprielian is an unknown at this point. Adams has great numbers but clearly there are things they still need to see from him, Sheffield is the best internal hope at this point. And I'd say his ceiling is a solid 2nd or 3rd starter.

Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would



There are always re-tread options available. I'm not interested in gambling on Gray ever getting back to what he was anymore than I am in giving Pineda a deal hoping he comes back to be the best he's been.


Gray already is back to what he was. That's what I'm saying. If they can get him in a deal built around some of those Charleston guys, that's not an overpay IMO
Gray's home-road splits are significant  
Don Draper : 7/17/2017 6:13 pm : link
Pitches much better at home, at least this season...
Just saw that Greg Bird will have ankle surgery  
Don Draper : 7/17/2017 6:16 pm : link
Recovery time ~6 weeks...
Under 30 IP on the road  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2017 6:16 pm : link
I'm tempted to attribute it to sample size given that he's a ~55% ground ball pitcher.
Too bad  
old man : 7/17/2017 7:55 pm : link
Nats already addressed their BP, or maybe they could have pulled a multi-team trade, sending DR to Nats, maybe working in Detroit for Verlander.
I'm concerned  
DG : 7/18/2017 1:27 pm : link
that they'll trade Blake Rutherford. Hopefully not as i think he could be a better long-term prospect than Clint Frazier. And I like Frazier.
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