But it's kind of amusing to think that the move to bolster a bullpen that goes through stretches where they can't throw a strike involves bringing in David Robertson.
But I definitely agree that it's mostly a lateral move.
He does hit a lot of fly balls and he has walked a lot this year. At first blush it looks like he's due for some positive BABIP regression, but it could be difficult to come by hitting so many fly balls.
I think he's a little better player than Headley but I wouldn't give up much at all for Frazier.
in players and getting under tax before the start of the 2018 season. Robertson would be a good get. Don't forget the Yankees have about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year over. It's the right time to package a few of them and maybe one blue chip for 2018 help.
I love the guy, but the Yankees set the market for reliever trades pretty high. I don't want to pay a similar price for Robertson when it's not a very big need.
in players and getting under tax before the start of the 2018 season. Robertson would be a good get. Don't forget the Yankees have about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year over. It's the right time to package a few of them and maybe one blue chip for 2018 help.
Agreed that this is to drive up the price for the Beantown bastards. We would have to give up a coveted player for Todd.
in players and getting under tax before the start of the 2018 season. Robertson would be a good get. Don't forget the Yankees have about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year over. It's the right time to package a few of them and maybe one blue chip for 2018 help.
Once again, no- there are not "about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year is over."
The likely count is closer to 3 or 4. The Yanks have slowly been adding guys who needed protection as the year has gone on (Montgomery, Smith, Wade, Fowler, Frazier, etc.).
If you look at this link (I would note that Torres and Abreu are not on the list, but does need protection), we can ID the following guys who likely need Rule 5 protection:
Littell, Acevedo, Estrada, McKinney, Feyereisen, Torres and Abreu. Polo and Tarpley are probably on the edge.
There are arguments for the following, but they are not likely to be protected: Cave (too many better guys ahead of him), Crawford (underperforming), Cortes (not enough "stuff"), Avelino (underperforming).
Taking that list together, there are 6 "definites" and two "probables" that need to be added.
We also know that Clippard, CC, Pineda, and Holliday will all be FA at the end of the year. We also know that Fowler and Bird are on the 60 day DL and must be added back at the end of the year. It probably goes without saying that Choi and Cooper would likely be dropped then. We also have no idea if Tanaka exercises his opt-out clause or not. That means that the Yanks will have 4 definite spots opening.
That would likely mean that the Yanks would add Torres, Acevedo, Littell and Abreu without any trouble.
We also know that Cashman has been successful trading Rule 5 eligibles- I suspect that he can probably get someone useful for Feyereisen as a ML ready reliever and maybe trade one or two more.
That would leave McKinney, Estrada, Cave, Polo and Tarpley as the guys who would be possibilities of being taken in the Rule 5 draft.
With that said, I believe that Cave can be a minor league FA (more than 6 years in the minors and not the 40 man roster). Polo might be as well.
it's not a pure win now move as he's still controllable for two more seasons of arbitration after this one. Starting pitching is a major need for next season. Could potentially lose Tanaka, CC, and Pineda. That trade helps this season and beyond.
Some reports trickling out that the Yankees were further down the line with Quintana than many believed before the Cubs blew everyone out of the water with that offer. If there's a way to get Gray while still holding onto Frazier (I'm just assuming Torres is untouchable, as he should be) then I'm thinking long and hard about that one.
looks like a could be an asset to the BP. It's early, but he does look promising. Can he pitch back to back games is the question and be effective. Robertson will be very expensive.
where is starting pitching going to come from in the next few seasons? Kaprielian is an unknown at this point. Adams has great numbers but clearly there are things they still need to see from him, Sheffield is the best internal hope at this point. And I'd say his ceiling is a solid 2nd or 3rd starter.
Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would
lack of options at the moment is not a good reason
where is starting pitching going to come from in the next few seasons? Kaprielian is an unknown at this point. Adams has great numbers but clearly there are things they still need to see from him, Sheffield is the best internal hope at this point. And I'd say his ceiling is a solid 2nd or 3rd starter.
Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would
There are always re-tread options available. I'm not interested in gambling on Gray ever getting back to what he was anymore than I am in giving Pineda a deal hoping he comes back to be the best he's been.
But I'd agree that the numbers say Gray is quite good.
Maybe not a true ace ala Sale/Scherzer/deGrom, but I think definitely a viable #2 behind Severino over the intermediate term.
Lots of differing opinions about whether NYY should be trading prospects for pitching in general. If they were to go the trade route, they could do a hell of a lot worse than Gray.
where is starting pitching going to come from in the next few seasons? Kaprielian is an unknown at this point. Adams has great numbers but clearly there are things they still need to see from him, Sheffield is the best internal hope at this point. And I'd say his ceiling is a solid 2nd or 3rd starter.
Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would
There are always re-tread options available. I'm not interested in gambling on Gray ever getting back to what he was anymore than I am in giving Pineda a deal hoping he comes back to be the best he's been.
Gray already is back to what he was. That's what I'm saying. If they can get him in a deal built around some of those Charleston guys, that's not an overpay IMO
He does hit a lot of fly balls and he has walked a lot this year. At first blush it looks like he's due for some positive BABIP regression, but it could be difficult to come by hitting so many fly balls.
I think he's a little better player than Headley but I wouldn't give up much at all for Frazier.
And Robertson would be so expensive and isn't very necessary.
I love the guy, but the Yankees set the market for reliever trades pretty high. I don't want to pay a similar price for Robertson when it's not a very big need.
Agreed that this is to drive up the price for the Beantown bastards. We would have to give up a coveted player for Todd.
Once again, no- there are not "about a dozen good prospects they won't be able to protect once this year is over."
The likely count is closer to 3 or 4. The Yanks have slowly been adding guys who needed protection as the year has gone on (Montgomery, Smith, Wade, Fowler, Frazier, etc.).
If you look at this link (I would note that Torres and Abreu are not on the list, but does need protection), we can ID the following guys who likely need Rule 5 protection:
Littell, Acevedo, Estrada, McKinney, Feyereisen, Torres and Abreu. Polo and Tarpley are probably on the edge.
There are arguments for the following, but they are not likely to be protected: Cave (too many better guys ahead of him), Crawford (underperforming), Cortes (not enough "stuff"), Avelino (underperforming).
Taking that list together, there are 6 "definites" and two "probables" that need to be added.
We also know that Clippard, CC, Pineda, and Holliday will all be FA at the end of the year. We also know that Fowler and Bird are on the 60 day DL and must be added back at the end of the year. It probably goes without saying that Choi and Cooper would likely be dropped then. We also have no idea if Tanaka exercises his opt-out clause or not. That means that the Yanks will have 4 definite spots opening.
That would likely mean that the Yanks would add Torres, Acevedo, Littell and Abreu without any trouble.
We also know that Cashman has been successful trading Rule 5 eligibles- I suspect that he can probably get someone useful for Feyereisen as a ML ready reliever and maybe trade one or two more.
That would leave McKinney, Estrada, Cave, Polo and Tarpley as the guys who would be possibilities of being taken in the Rule 5 draft.
With that said, I believe that Cave can be a minor league FA (more than 6 years in the minors and not the 40 man roster). Polo might be as well.
So, no- the picture is nowhere near as dire as you portrayed.
Yankee prospects eligible for Rule 5 - ( New Window )
Some reports trickling out that the Yankees were further down the line with Quintana than many believed before the Cubs blew everyone out of the water with that offer. If there's a way to get Gray while still holding onto Frazier (I'm just assuming Torres is untouchable, as he should be) then I'm thinking long and hard about that one.
Sources: #Athletics recently had top scout watching #Yankees Class A Charleston club. Both Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso would fit NYY well.[/quote}
Sources: #Athletics recently had top scout watching #Yankees Class A Charleston club. Both Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso would fit NYY well.[/quote}
Rutherford, Florial, Park are at Chalreston, among others
Sevy is making $550,975 this season. Those 4 guys are making a combined $77,414,429 this season.
PASS-PASS
Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would
Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would
There are always re-tread options available. I'm not interested in gambling on Gray ever getting back to what he was anymore than I am in giving Pineda a deal hoping he comes back to be the best he's been.
Maybe not a true ace ala Sale/Scherzer/deGrom, but I think definitely a viable #2 behind Severino over the intermediate term.
Lots of differing opinions about whether NYY should be trading prospects for pitching in general. If they were to go the trade route, they could do a hell of a lot worse than Gray.
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where is starting pitching going to come from in the next few seasons? Kaprielian is an unknown at this point. Adams has great numbers but clearly there are things they still need to see from him, Sheffield is the best internal hope at this point. And I'd say his ceiling is a solid 2nd or 3rd starter.
Gray's numbers are just as good as they were when you say he was non-ordinary. Same FIP, similar WHIP, better K/BB. 2016 looks like a complete outlier. I'm not selling the farm for him. But would I be willing to give up some of those Charleston guys for him? I think I would
There are always re-tread options available. I'm not interested in gambling on Gray ever getting back to what he was anymore than I am in giving Pineda a deal hoping he comes back to be the best he's been.
Gray already is back to what he was. That's what I'm saying. If they can get him in a deal built around some of those Charleston guys, that's not an overpay IMO