strange timing. I'd say he lost in office politics - although my Dad who lives down there saying he's pissed off a lot of players over the years most recently Greg Olsen.
Richardson doesn't have all his marbles at this point either.
but there is an article I read a couple weeks ago, about Gettleman not screwing up Thomas Davis like he did Smith, Williams and Gross.
Not to mention Norman, who while I'm not a fan of how he handled it, they did get a 3rd round comp pick for him, which maybe he could have upgraded, maybe not, who knows. Heck, maybe he could have kept Norman. I'm not sure what the right play was there, but I know people were critical of him for it as well as the three veterans and Ealy.
and he gave away Kony Ealy and forced Gross into retirement.
and kind of botched the whole Josh Norman thing too.
Not sure if it was on his watch, but he also let go productive players in Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and maybe more.
Better a year early, than a year late with those 2.
Yes, one year early, not 3 or 4.
Steve Smith after leaving CAR caught 200 passes for 2400 yards and 14 TD's (in just 37 games) and the Panthers were desperate for WR's.
Williams had 1200+ yards and a whopping 15 TD's in just 25 games.
Both players showed enough value to keep and both were fan favorites.
Fans hate when their ex-players are successful elsewhere.
especially team leaders and fan favorites.
Hindsight is 20/20. SS was coming off a mediocre 64/745/4 season at age 34 when they let him go. And he's missed 11 games over the 3 seasons since then so while he's been productive when healthy, it wasn't a terrible decision.
Similarly, DW was coming off an injury plagued season as a 31 year old RB and he missed almost half the season last year. He was awesome filling in for Bell and certainly surpassed everyone's expectations, but hard to argue they let him go "3 or 4" seasons too soon.
I don't recall what they saved, but I think both were cut for cap reasons (Spotrac lists them as June 1 designees).
is 20/20 but when that 20/20 hindsight shows the GM was wrong, multiple times, it doesn't excuse it.
I'm just passing along articles and sentiment from Panthers fan/beat writers.
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That article is a bunch of crap. Lots of vets complain when they are forced out, and still of some productive years left. The cost of keeping them isn't worth it. Fans down there are stupid if they don't realize how a modern NFL team has to be run.
is 20/20 but when that 20/20 hindsight shows the GM was wrong, multiple times, it doesn't excuse it.
I'm just passing along articles and sentiment from Panthers fan/beat writers.
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That article is a bunch of crap. Lots of vets complain when they are forced out, and still of some productive years left. The cost of keeping them isn't worth it. Fans down there are stupid if they don't realize how a modern NFL team has to be run.
Don't shoot the messenger, I was summarizing points about potential reasons he was fired from the articles linked.
RE: Playoffs 3 of 4 years and a SB under his watch
This is why some of you should really question what you're wishing for sometimes, canning a guy after a short tenure like that when it was mostly successful is damaging to an organization. There is value in continuity.
who did he piss off? A couple of aging veterans who wanted to be paid like they were stars in the prime of their careers. Josh Norman was asking for an astronomical contract coming off 1 good year where he played in a system that protected him. Can you say Nnamdi Asomugha? BB jettisons Chandler Jones because he knows they couldn't pay him. DG doing the same with Ealy. Better to get value than watch him walk in FA. That's called being smart and making the tough decision.
Everyone seemed to be on the same page regarding Norman, but rivera has been undermining Gettlemen since then saying he wasn't provided adequate CB's once the Norman move was made and openly questioned the long-term plan to solve a short-term issue.
Gettleman has played hardball with some of the vets which isn't sitting well and doesn't play well in the press when they make it look like he isn't rewarding them for their past play.
I've like his moves. To me, Rivera is a bigger problem since he seems to want to throw others under the bus.
think Gettlemen getting fired is either a vote of confidence or a slam against Reese.
This has to do more with Richardson siding with Rivera more than gettleman. I don't think it reflects on the true job Gettleman has done, and frankly, I think the Pantehrs will be worse off for it. On top of it, the guy who would be a great replacement left earlier in the offseason to take the GM position with Buffalo.
The Panthers were in cap hell. He let go of some good players who are near the end and that leaves him the scapegoat. They still made it to the Superbowl without Steve Smith & Deangelo Williams so they had no impact on team success.
discussion this AM on Charlotte sports radio basically saying that Richardson is very loyal to rivera and sees him almost as family, with the implied message that he will take Rivera over anyone else in a dispute.
During the SB run, Richardson is on record believing that Rivera was the driving force, even though he's made several decisions that have been second-guessed. Basically everything he did two years ago turned out great and then last year, not so much.
And on the loyalty slant, Richardson didn't like seeing the veterans leave, but if you look at it, the timing of having Smith and Williams leave was good - especially from a cap standpoint. People forget that Williams' last two years here he was often injured (as was Stewart), leaving chances for several younger players but at the expense of the running game. The Panthers also went to the SB after Williams and Smith departed.
In the end, Gettlemen might actually have been canned for the perception he may part ways with Thomas Davis soon, and that is one of Richardson's favorite guys. Gettleman also has been playing hardball with Olsen.
discussion this AM on Charlotte sports radio basically saying that Richardson is very loyal to rivera and sees him almost as family, with the implied message that he will take Rivera over anyone else in a dispute.
During the SB run, Richardson is on record believing that Rivera was the driving force, even though he's made several decisions that have been second-guessed. Basically everything he did two years ago turned out great and then last year, not so much.
And on the loyalty slant, Richardson didn't like seeing the veterans leave, but if you look at it, the timing of having Smith and Williams leave was good - especially from a cap standpoint. People forget that Williams' last two years here he was often injured (as was Stewart), leaving chances for several younger players but at the expense of the running game. The Panthers also went to the SB after Williams and Smith departed.
In the end, Gettlemen might actually have been canned for the perception he may part ways with Thomas Davis soon, and that is one of Richardson's favorite guys. Gettleman also has been playing hardball with Olsen.
Iirc, when many were bashing Reese and extolling the talent-acquiring virtues(though many of his core were already in place there) of Gettleman, you were essentially saying that Gettleman was BBI's newest flavor of the month, that DG could do no wrong (paraphrasing)..You certainly hit that one up the alley
regarding the Panthers is that they have never had back to back winning seasons, yet they are often lauded by several members of BBI.
Through having John Fox, Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Cam Newton, Josh Norman, Ron Rivera, etc. - They have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons!
Just think about that the next time people m ake a comment about how easy it is to win in the NFL or lamenting why the Giants are serially in the playoffs like other teams are (the Panthers being one that's often mentioned)
AND just a year removed from the SB? I wonder who he clashed with.
and kind of botched the whole Josh Norman thing too.
Not sure if it was on his watch, but he also let go productive players in Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and maybe more.
Richardson doesn't have all his marbles at this point either.
Sincerely,
90% of Giant fans
and kind of botched the whole Josh Norman thing too.
Not sure if it was on his watch, but he also let go productive players in Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and maybe more.
Better a year early, than a year late with those 2.
Wasn't long ago that it seemed like everyone was singing his praises and saying he was a better GM than Reese, etc.
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and he gave away Kony Ealy and forced Gross into retirement.
and kind of botched the whole Josh Norman thing too.
Not sure if it was on his watch, but he also let go productive players in Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and maybe more.
Better a year early, than a year late with those 2.
Yes, one year early, not 3 or 4.
Steve Smith after leaving CAR caught 200 passes for 2400 yards and 14 TD's (in just 37 games) and the Panthers were desperate for WR's.
Williams had 1200+ yards and a whopping 15 TD's in just 25 games.
Both players showed enough value to keep and both were fan favorites.
Fans hate when their ex-players are successful elsewhere.
especially team leaders and fan favorites.
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and he gave away Kony Ealy and forced Gross into retirement.
and kind of botched the whole Josh Norman thing too.
Not sure if it was on his watch, but he also let go productive players in Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and maybe more.
Better a year early, than a year late with those 2.
Yes, one year early, not 3 or 4.
Steve Smith after leaving CAR caught 200 passes for 2400 yards and 14 TD's (in just 37 games) and the Panthers were desperate for WR's.
Williams had 1200+ yards and a whopping 15 TD's in just 25 games.
Both players showed enough value to keep and both were fan favorites.
Fans hate when their ex-players are successful elsewhere.
especially team leaders and fan favorites.
That's just part of the story. How much money were Steve Smith and Williams asking for to stay (they probably weren't offering the hometown discount).
DeAngelo Williams was under his watch, I don't think Steve was.
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and he gave away Kony Ealy and forced Gross into retirement.
and kind of botched the whole Josh Norman thing too.
Not sure if it was on his watch, but he also let go productive players in Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and maybe more.
Better a year early, than a year late with those 2.
Yes, one year early, not 3 or 4.
Steve Smith after leaving CAR caught 200 passes for 2400 yards and 14 TD's (in just 37 games) and the Panthers were desperate for WR's.
Williams had 1200+ yards and a whopping 15 TD's in just 25 games.
Both players showed enough value to keep and both were fan favorites.
Fans hate when their ex-players are successful elsewhere.
especially team leaders and fan favorites.
That's just part of the story. How much money were Steve Smith and Williams asking for to stay (they probably weren't offering the hometown discount).
DeAngelo Williams was under his watch, I don't think Steve was.
Nevermind, I thought he was only there for 2 seasons. He's been there since 2013. I guess 4 years is enough.
Not to mention Norman, who while I'm not a fan of how he handled it, they did get a 3rd round comp pick for him, which maybe he could have upgraded, maybe not, who knows. Heck, maybe he could have kept Norman. I'm not sure what the right play was there, but I know people were critical of him for it as well as the three veterans and Ealy.
Thank god I'm a Giants fan.
I see Marc Ross is now the whipping boy? Nice aim folks.
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and he gave away Kony Ealy and forced Gross into retirement.
and kind of botched the whole Josh Norman thing too.
Not sure if it was on his watch, but he also let go productive players in Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and maybe more.
Better a year early, than a year late with those 2.
Yes, one year early, not 3 or 4.
Steve Smith after leaving CAR caught 200 passes for 2400 yards and 14 TD's (in just 37 games) and the Panthers were desperate for WR's.
Williams had 1200+ yards and a whopping 15 TD's in just 25 games.
Both players showed enough value to keep and both were fan favorites.
Fans hate when their ex-players are successful elsewhere.
especially team leaders and fan favorites.
Hindsight is 20/20. SS was coming off a mediocre 64/745/4 season at age 34 when they let him go. And he's missed 11 games over the 3 seasons since then so while he's been productive when healthy, it wasn't a terrible decision.
Similarly, DW was coming off an injury plagued season as a 31 year old RB and he missed almost half the season last year. He was awesome filling in for Bell and certainly surpassed everyone's expectations, but hard to argue they let him go "3 or 4" seasons too soon.
I don't recall what they saved, but I think both were cut for cap reasons (Spotrac lists them as June 1 designees).
Sincerely,
90% of Giant fans
90%? Fuck those 90%.
Our FO is tops.
Wasn't long ago that it seemed like everyone was singing his praises and saying he was a better GM than Reese, etc.
As well as claiming that any success the Giants have had during Reese's tenure was more Gettleman's doing than Jerry Reach.
I'm just passing along articles and sentiment from Panthers fan/beat writers.
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Richardson is a loon. He'd rather have Josh Norman than win? (if that rumor is true)
Bizarre.
I'm just passing along articles and sentiment from Panthers fan/beat writers.
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That article is a bunch of crap. Lots of vets complain when they are forced out, and still of some productive years left. The cost of keeping them isn't worth it. Fans down there are stupid if they don't realize how a modern NFL team has to be run.
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is 20/20 but when that 20/20 hindsight shows the GM was wrong, multiple times, it doesn't excuse it.
I'm just passing along articles and sentiment from Panthers fan/beat writers.
see link below Link - ( New Window )
That article is a bunch of crap. Lots of vets complain when they are forced out, and still of some productive years left. The cost of keeping them isn't worth it. Fans down there are stupid if they don't realize how a modern NFL team has to be run.
Don't shoot the messenger, I was summarizing points about potential reasons he was fired from the articles linked.
Richardson is a loon. He'd rather have Josh Norman than win? (if that rumor is true)
Bizarre.
Don't know the entire story, but it seems to be they over-reacted.
While those mentioned players had productive careers, you have to manage the salary cap.
There is obviously something else going on there. Maybe he was a big asshole that no one could stand to work with or for.
Has to be more to the story.
Sincerely,
90% of Giant fans
I will drink to that. 😊😀😁
Everyone seemed to be on the same page regarding Norman, but rivera has been undermining Gettlemen since then saying he wasn't provided adequate CB's once the Norman move was made and openly questioned the long-term plan to solve a short-term issue.
Gettleman has played hardball with some of the vets which isn't sitting well and doesn't play well in the press when they make it look like he isn't rewarding them for their past play.
I've like his moves. To me, Rivera is a bigger problem since he seems to want to throw others under the bus.
Don't think we forgot who you were.
That Super Bowl team was all the previous GMs work. And the development of their QB
This has to do more with Richardson siding with Rivera more than gettleman. I don't think it reflects on the true job Gettleman has done, and frankly, I think the Pantehrs will be worse off for it. On top of it, the guy who would be a great replacement left earlier in the offseason to take the GM position with Buffalo.
We should do everything to bring Gettleman here to rehab his image now that Rivera and Cam have tarnished it.
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thought he'd get more time given he was only a year removed from a Super Bowl appearance
That Super Bowl team was all the previous GMs work. And the development of their QB
Wrong.. something like 40 of the players on that team were Gettleman's players. I saw that stat earlier today.
During the SB run, Richardson is on record believing that Rivera was the driving force, even though he's made several decisions that have been second-guessed. Basically everything he did two years ago turned out great and then last year, not so much.
And on the loyalty slant, Richardson didn't like seeing the veterans leave, but if you look at it, the timing of having Smith and Williams leave was good - especially from a cap standpoint. People forget that Williams' last two years here he was often injured (as was Stewart), leaving chances for several younger players but at the expense of the running game. The Panthers also went to the SB after Williams and Smith departed.
In the end, Gettlemen might actually have been canned for the perception he may part ways with Thomas Davis soon, and that is one of Richardson's favorite guys. Gettleman also has been playing hardball with Olsen.
During the SB run, Richardson is on record believing that Rivera was the driving force, even though he's made several decisions that have been second-guessed. Basically everything he did two years ago turned out great and then last year, not so much.
And on the loyalty slant, Richardson didn't like seeing the veterans leave, but if you look at it, the timing of having Smith and Williams leave was good - especially from a cap standpoint. People forget that Williams' last two years here he was often injured (as was Stewart), leaving chances for several younger players but at the expense of the running game. The Panthers also went to the SB after Williams and Smith departed.
In the end, Gettlemen might actually have been canned for the perception he may part ways with Thomas Davis soon, and that is one of Richardson's favorite guys. Gettleman also has been playing hardball with Olsen.
Iirc, when many were bashing Reese and extolling the talent-acquiring virtues(though many of his core were already in place there) of Gettleman, you were essentially saying that Gettleman was BBI's newest flavor of the month, that DG could do no wrong (paraphrasing)..You certainly hit that one up the alley
Through having John Fox, Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Cam Newton, Josh Norman, Ron Rivera, etc. - They have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons!
Just think about that the next time people m ake a comment about how easy it is to win in the NFL or lamenting why the Giants are serially in the playoffs like other teams are (the Panthers being one that's often mentioned)