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pjcas18 : 7/17/2017 1:47 pm
I have twins, turning 15 next month and they're great kids and I trust them.

but at this age I'd much rather remove temptation than rely on trust. My wife has seen instagram pictures of friends of theirs (ok one) obviously intoxicated at a new Year's Eve Party (at 15 years old) and there are stories that circulate in my wife's circle of moms about kids getting caught bringing alcohol to parties/gatherings.

So I have an awesome liquor cabinet, but not sure I've seen a lock that for it. and I'd rather not start drinking watered down bourbon or single malt Scotch and more importantly hear from a parent their child (or mine) drank alcohol at my house.





only thing I can see is something like below, so who knows of a non-intrusive key lock for a cabinet like this (not a baby-proofing lock)

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Had a similar situation  
uncledave : 7/17/2017 2:25 pm : link
when I was younger but instead I was the one finding my way into your cabinet. Best way to go about it IMO is to just tell them if they want a drink to ask you first and don't put a lock on it. Kids (especially boys) have a tendency to take such a move as a dare and see to it that they get in their if for no other reason than it being a challenge. If you put a lock on those doors I could still take the back panel off and take your booze. A camera is a bit much. I always respected one family that allowed the kids to drink in the basement with friends, only beer (no alcohol poisoning), and they all had to stay at the house that night. Yeah it can get a clustered with a bunch of kids on the floor, but by giving us that space and cases of beer every kid was respectful of the space and everyone pitched in the next day to make the house spotless. Don't go to war with your kids over something stupid like booze because if you don't give them the safe place to do it then they are left up to their own radical logic...never a good move.
I had a  
mitch300 : 7/17/2017 2:31 pm : link
friend who's mom would turn the bottle upside down and mark the bottle. Sneaky way to see if he was drinking.
RE: Had a similar situation  
pjcas18 : 7/17/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13530192 uncledave said:
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when I was younger but instead I was the one finding my way into your cabinet. Best way to go about it IMO is to just tell them if they want a drink to ask you first and don't put a lock on it. Kids (especially boys) have a tendency to take such a move as a dare and see to it that they get in their if for no other reason than it being a challenge. If you put a lock on those doors I could still take the back panel off and take your booze. A camera is a bit much. I always respected one family that allowed the kids to drink in the basement with friends, only beer (no alcohol poisoning), and they all had to stay at the house that night. Yeah it can get a clustered with a bunch of kids on the floor, but by giving us that space and cases of beer every kid was respectful of the space and everyone pitched in the next day to make the house spotless. Don't go to war with your kids over something stupid like booze because if you don't give them the safe place to do it then they are left up to their own radical logic...never a good move.


If my kids were 18 I'd consider this approach, but not at 14 going on 15.

and like I said, I really do trust my kids, they're open about stuff and when they're at parties where there was alcohol they tell me, and they've really demonstrated good judgment in the past.

But I don't and can't expect them to control or watch their friends every second and because we're the house with the pool, and the finished basement, this is where they spend a lot of time (and honestly I prefer it this way).

but I'd feel better with a lock, knowing myself at 15 and beyond, and I think I'd be able to tell if it was tampered with.
RE: Not to go all holier than thou,  
MookGiants : 7/17/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13530186 Jon in NYC said:
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but why not talk to them about it and empower them to make the right decision?

At least when I went to college, it was always the kids who were cut off from booze in HS that ended up overindulging.


I think its more about pj protecting his ass. If his kids have friends over snd they get into the liquor, hes responsible for what happens to then
Let them drink and take videos of them if they get drunk.  
Marty in Albany : 7/17/2017 2:37 pm : link
When they see the vids hopefully they will be embarrassed and discouraged from drinking too much again. Of course they might do the same to you when you get drunk, so there's that.
Tell them  
Deej : 7/17/2017 2:39 pm : link
that you pee'd in 2 of the bottles. But dont tell them which ones.

Problem solved.
The only way I see to secure the cabinet  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/17/2017 2:41 pm : link
Would involve drilling holes to install a lock.

If you don't want to do that to your cabinet, then move your liquor to something lockable for the next few years.
Here's an idea  
EliIsEliteX2 : 7/17/2017 2:42 pm : link
My parents had a similar style liquor cabinet as you. They installed a magnetic lock on the inside. The only way to open the cabinet was to hover this white magnet that came with the lock over the cabinet until you heard a "click" noise and you could then open the cabinet.

I included a link to a lock that is similar to what they have. Good luck!
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Not to go all holier than thou,  
pjcas18 : 7/17/2017 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13530205 MookGiants said:
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In comment 13530186 Jon in NYC said:


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but why not talk to them about it and empower them to make the right decision?

At least when I went to college, it was always the kids who were cut off from booze in HS that ended up overindulging.



I think its more about pj protecting his ass. If his kids have friends over snd they get into the liquor, hes responsible for what happens to then


Absolutely right, and it's not my own kids (though I have no doubt they're not saints), unfortunately in this day and age need to assume the worst, just safer that way.
RE: Here's an idea  
giants#1 : 7/17/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13530220 EliIsEliteX2 said:
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My parents had a similar style liquor cabinet as you. They installed a magnetic lock on the inside. The only way to open the cabinet was to hover this white magnet that came with the lock over the cabinet until you heard a "click" noise and you could then open the cabinet.

I included a link to a lock that is similar to what they have. Good luck! Link - ( New Window )


That's for baby proofing. I'd hope any 15 year old could figure out how to defeat that.
RE: The only way I see to secure the cabinet  
BMac : 7/17/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13530219 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Would involve drilling holes to install a lock.

If you don't want to do that to your cabinet, then move your liquor to something lockable for the next few years.


Move the booze into the gun safe and the guns into the liquor cabinet.
The BBI Mind Trick:  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2017 2:56 pm : link
Q: How do I lock this liquor cabinet?

A: You don't want to lock that liquor cabinet.
RE: Not to go all holier than thou,  
mattlawson : 7/17/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13530186 Jon in NYC said:
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but why not talk to them about it and empower them to make the right decision?

At least when I went to college, it was always the kids who were cut off from booze in HS that ended up overindulging.


I second this
I would install a lockset  
trueblueinpw : 7/17/2017 3:15 pm : link
Its the easiest thing to do and I don't see how a nice brass lock would compromise the aesthetic of the furniture. Wouldn't cost much and you can handle installation yourself. Below is a shitty lock set from Lowes but, you get the idea.
Lockset at Lowes - ( New Window )
RE: RE: The only way I see to secure the cabinet  
Deej : 7/17/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13530234 BMac said:
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Would involve drilling holes to install a lock.

If you don't want to do that to your cabinet, then move your liquor to something lockable for the next few years.



Move the booze into the gun safe and the guns into the liquor cabinet.


This is the most American thing ever written.
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pjcas18 : 7/17/2017 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13530263 Deej said:
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Would involve drilling holes to install a lock.

If you don't want to do that to your cabinet, then move your liquor to something lockable for the next few years.



Move the booze into the gun safe and the guns into the liquor cabinet.



This is the most American thing ever written.


My gun safe is sadly too small to fit my booze.

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BMac : 7/17/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13530272 pjcas18 said:
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Would involve drilling holes to install a lock.

If you don't want to do that to your cabinet, then move your liquor to something lockable for the next few years.



Move the booze into the gun safe and the guns into the liquor cabinet.



This is the most American thing ever written.



My gun safe is sadly too small to fit my booze.


Time to upgrade!
No experience with them  
Deej : 7/17/2017 3:27 pm : link
but google Bluetooth cabinet locks. They may fit your needs.
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Deej : 7/17/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13530272 pjcas18 said:
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Would involve drilling holes to install a lock.

If you don't want to do that to your cabinet, then move your liquor to something lockable for the next few years.



Move the booze into the gun safe and the guns into the liquor cabinet.



This is the most American thing ever written.



My gun safe is sadly too small to fit my booze.


Only because you're nursing that bottle of Fireball like a 15 year old girl
Hide it in plain sight.  
NoPeanutz : 7/17/2017 3:29 pm : link
Just add matjes, chopped liver and a sleeve of saltines and call it kiddush.
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pjcas18 : 7/17/2017 3:53 pm : link
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Would involve drilling holes to install a lock.

If you don't want to do that to your cabinet, then move your liquor to something lockable for the next few years.



Move the booze into the gun safe and the guns into the liquor cabinet.



This is the most American thing ever written.



My gun safe is sadly too small to fit my booze.




Only because you're nursing that bottle of Fireball like a 15 year old girl


too sweet, that's usually for the women, I do like the Jack Daniels Tennessee Fire, which is very similar, but not quite so sweet.

I didn't start this thread to brag about my liquor cabinet I really do want to a lock for it, but the other side is better, plus I have a drawer where I mostly put shot glasses and everyone gets pissed off who comes over because I make them drink out of Giants shot glasses (if they care to drink shots).




RE: I'm already working  
Beezer : 7/17/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13530167 pjcas18 said:
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on some secret surveillance to keep tabs on people like you Larry.


Is he still living in your basement?
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pjcas18 : 7/17/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13530312 Beezer said:
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on some secret surveillance to keep tabs on people like you Larry.




Is he still living in your basement?


Someone is, I keep finding empty liquor bottles down there. I suspect Larry.
tell them that one of the bottles of liquor  
santacruzom : 7/17/2017 3:58 pm : link
contains your urine. Problem solved!
Does your wife have long hair?  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2017 3:59 pm : link
Tie a single strand of hair around the two knobs on the front. Invisible if you're not looking for it, anyone who opens the cabinet will break it without ever realizing it was there. Then you'll know if someone went in there.
By the way, you do not trust them  
Beezer : 7/17/2017 4:03 pm : link
if you're going to lock it and/or install a hidden camera.

I think placing a lock on it tells them just that. Hey, Dad here ... I don't trust you.

Lots of ways to go. One is to pare down the liquor supply. That may not be something you want to do. No idea how much you like to have friends over to drink.

When our kids got old enough that we thought there might be a chance for them to be interested, we trimmed down how much alcohol we keep in the house. A few unopened bottles of vino ... maybe a bottle or two of preferred liquor.

It is a very nice cabinet. I wouldn't mess it up with a lock, in your situation. I'd just significantly remove most of that temptation. You only have a few years and you'll be inviting them to share a drink anyway.

Then again, what the hell do I know? I'm right in the thick of it myself. :)

RE: Does your wife have long hair?  
Beezer : 7/17/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13530317 Greg from LI said:
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Tie a single strand of hair around the two knobs


Davisian: "That's hot."
A lock is just a way to keep an honest man honest  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 7/17/2017 4:10 pm : link
You're not really going to be able to secure a cabinet like that against any sorted of concerted effort to open it. That's OK, because you don't really need to. You just need something secure enough to deter casual pilferage and make it very difficult to get into the cabinet without leaving some evidence.

You might also consider a motion-activated spy cam for inside the cabinet, in case someone does manage to open it.

I would also say leaving an unlocked liquor cabinet around where there are teenagers could be a violation of various social host laws.
RE: tell them that one of the bottles of liquor  
Deej : 7/17/2017 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13530315 santacruzom said:
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contains your urine. Problem solved!


That's two votes for the pee ruse (or not a ruse).
motion-activated spy cam  
Beezer : 7/17/2017 4:35 pm : link

lol
if the kids want in they will get in  
Dankbeerman : 7/17/2017 4:59 pm : link
Before you buy any lock google how to open it.

Try making a big production about how you inspect the liquor cabinet maybe even let them see you counting, inspecting all the bottles.

Kids will also go looking for which one of their friends parents stash is easiest to get too so all this effort may be for not, remember to know and talk to their friends parents.
I wouldn't lock it  
Ron Johnson 30 : 7/17/2017 5:03 pm : link
but that's just me. Explain to them it's hands off and the risk of stealing booze is significant if something terrible were to happen.
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Larry in Pencilvania : 7/17/2017 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13530314 pjcas18 said:
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on some secret surveillance to keep tabs on people like you Larry.




Is he still living in your basement?



Someone is, I keep finding empty liquor bottles down there. I suspect Larry.


Hey don't knock it!! Easy access to free booze and a pool. He locks the cabinet I'm moving into your house Beez
I think you'er being selfish  
RobCrossRiver56 : 7/17/2017 6:38 pm : link
It's every teenagers god given right try to and to access their parents liquor cabinet when they are not supposed to.

Solution: Watered down dummie bottles in cabinet, real stuff moves to a secure location for a few years.

Good luck,
Any lock on that cabinet might look unsightly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2017 6:48 pm : link
unless you spring for a custom job from a locksmith.


I think the easiest way to go while still being classy about it is to set up a couple of nest cams around the house with one of them having a view of the cabinet.
First,  
MBavaro : 7/17/2017 7:25 pm : link
I see you're a Giants AND Habs fan, so I now have even more respect for you than I already did.

Second, put a simple lock on it, small, stylish. Just enough to make it so someone would have to "break in" to get to the liquor. Explain to your kids that this really is something to simply protect yourself from any of their friends doing something stupid, that you trust them (your kids).

If a kid breaks into that lock and gets pissed, you're in the clear legally IMHO (im not a lawyer.)
Just put  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/17/2017 7:27 pm : link
a plastic coated chain around it so you don't hurt the cabinet with a good lock. Could they brake into it easily? Yes. But you'll know because either the chain is cut or the lock is cut.

Of course back in the sixties at we just went into the local bar and ordered a shot and a short at 15 when the drinking age was 21 in Jersey. Turned back to 18 in '73.

You could also get a fake ID for 5 bucks at the local pool hall from one of the patrons.
Styling is per your taste  
GiantTexan : 7/17/2017 7:42 pm : link
If I was trying to keep it locked while maintaining a "classic" look I might opt for something like this. Although I agree with others that where there is a will there is a way. You could always secure the cabinet to the wall to avoid the back being opened. It would be a good idea for tip risk anyways. You could use a block of wood secured to a wall stud to compensate for the radiator. I was a "good kid" and never drank in high school. Though I still stole a bottle of rum from my Dad's stash and gave it to my friends to look cool.
European Style Classic Furniture Decorative Hardware Latch Hasp Pull Handles Lock Kit - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Not to go all holier than thou,  
djm : 7/17/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13530245 mattlawson said:
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In comment 13530186 Jon in NYC said:


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but why not talk to them about it and empower them to make the right decision?

At least when I went to college, it was always the kids who were cut off from booze in HS that ended up overindulging.



I second this


Yes because talking to your kids will keep them from doing what nearly every kid that age inevitably does.

Not every kid partying his or her ass off in high school had over bearing parents.
Lock the cabinet  
djm : 7/17/2017 8:15 pm : link
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RE: I had a  
montanagiant : 7/17/2017 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13530201 mitch300 said:
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friend who's mom would turn the bottle upside down and mark the bottle. Sneaky way to see if he was drinking.

No, Ice tea for dark liquor and water for clear is an easy beat for that
Put a nice antique looking trunk lock on it  
montanagiant : 7/17/2017 9:46 pm : link

Or a Hasp Lock
RE: First,  
pjcas18 : 7/17/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13530470 MBavaro said:
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I see you're a Giants AND Habs fan, so I now have even more respect for you than I already did.

Second, put a simple lock on it, small, stylish. Just enough to make it so someone would have to "break in" to get to the liquor. Explain to your kids that this really is something to simply protect yourself from any of their friends doing something stupid, that you trust them (your kids).

If a kid breaks into that lock and gets pissed, you're in the clear legally IMHO (im not a lawyer.)


Thank you, as you can imagine they hate me (sports hate) up here in Mass.

and I completely agree, the lock is meant as a deterrent, not something I expect to keep out world famous jewel thief Borko Ilincic of the Pink Panthers.

Sadly most of my paranoia is based on my own experience. I drank my parents booze and filled the bottles up with water. I stole my stepfathers beer and put the empties back in the case so he'd think he drank it, my friends and i would steal bottles from girls houses or other people's houses we went to that we maybe weren't that friendly with, I was a bad kid.

and because of that I feel like I know the capabilities of other bad kids, so even if I trust my own kids I know there is going to be a bad kid just like me in the house and a locked liquor cabinet would have deterred me (at least temporarily).

Plus, my kids aren't even 15 yet, but they have friends who are 15/16 a grade ahead of them and every now and then a teammate or friend two grades ahead so 16/17 comes over and it's just exponentially different at that age because the kids are driving.

why wouldn't this work that Motley two suggested? I know it's easily picked, but probably wouldn't damage anything, its obviously ugly but the only time I'd lock it is when we're out and allow the kids to have friends over without parents around (which is rare, especially at night).




I noticed a difference in my 15 yr old  
WideRight : 7/18/2017 7:17 am : link
He and his friends are at the experimentation age, and I too am going to put a lock on the liquor cabinet.

The difference is that he is willing to tell us everything that goes on. After the fact of course, because they don't really know in advance. I think its the open book life that they live on social media. And its way different than how we went about it years ago.

So every event becomes a learning experience for discussion, which again seems to be an important improvement from our youth...
I would not lock it especially if you say they are good kids  
The 12th Man : 7/18/2017 9:45 am : link
As soon as you lock it you say that you do not trust them. They will go to college what will you do then. Personally have a 17 yr old and 15 yr old. I have explained what happens when they make bad decisions. You have to trust that you and your wife have raised them to make good decisions when opportunity for bad ones arise.
Send it to my house.  
Section331 : 7/18/2017 10:23 am : link
I promise to take good care of it.
If you know a good locksmith or get a good recommendation on one,  
Ira : 7/18/2017 11:03 am : link
ask the professional. You can take a picture to him and see what he recommends without obligation.
RE: If you know a good locksmith or get a good recommendation on one,  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13530938 Ira said:
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ask the professional. You can take a picture to him and see what he recommends without obligation.


Let me call my blacksmith and see if he can recommend a good locksmith.
RE: if the kids want in they will get in  
MetsAreBack : 7/18/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13530391 Dankbeerman said:
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Try making a big production about how you inspect the liquor cabinet maybe even let them see you counting, inspecting all the bottles.



That's what my parents did. Then one summer my step-brother and his friends drank every night. End of summer they filled the bottles back up with water.

Fast forward 6 months, my parents host a party with their closest friends. They serve from those same bottles, unknowlingly having been tampered with. Their guests, I'm told, make faces the entire night but no one says anything.

The best part is - my stepbrother bartends for them... and charges them for his services.

The next day, step-brother confesses to his crimes. Parents are mortified and apologize to all their friends.

Not sure if the 'bartender' had to give back his wages.
RE: I would not lock it especially if you say they are good kids  
Matt M. : 7/18/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13530838 The 12th Man said:
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As soon as you lock it you say that you do not trust them. They will go to college what will you do then. Personally have a 17 yr old and 15 yr old. I have explained what happens when they make bad decisions. You have to trust that you and your wife have raised them to make good decisions when opportunity for bad ones arise.
I don't think it's as much about trusting them as the other myriad of teens coming in and out of his home.
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