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NFT: Cardinals at Mets Game 1

ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 5:31 pm
Cardinals Lineup

Matt Carpenter – 1B
Tommy Pham – LF
Dexter Fowler – CF
Jedd Gyorko – 3B
Yadier Molina – C
Paul DeJong – SS
Kolten Wong – 2B
Magneuris Sierra – RF
Adam Wainwright – RHP

Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto – CF
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Yoenis Cespedes – LF
Jay Bruce – RF
T.J. Rivera – 3B
Lucas Duda – 1B
Jose Reyes – SS
Travis d’Arnaud – C
Zack Wheeler – RHP
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I seriously hate Wainwright  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 9:00 pm : link
That mother fucker....
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arcarsenal : 7/17/2017 9:05 pm : link
Why does Edgin ever get used?

This guy is fucking GARBAGE. He can't get anyone out.
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Stufftherun : 7/17/2017 9:08 pm : link
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Why does Edgin ever get used?

This guy is fucking GARBAGE. He can't get anyone out.


He has one job and one job only ...pitch to a LH hitter and find a way to get an out. The fucking guy can't even find the strike zone! He's as useless as they come.
Robles picks up  
Stufftherun : 7/17/2017 9:09 pm : link
where he left off. Can this season please end and end now?!
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2017 9:15 pm : link
Good job Hansel
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arcarsenal : 7/17/2017 9:20 pm : link
Well, Reyes is certainly playing well...
LOL  
arcarsenal : 7/17/2017 9:21 pm : link
The Cards are a walking blooper reel
I'd rather watch Flores play 2nd  
spike : 7/17/2017 10:06 pm : link
and struggle than watch Cabrera taking up space.
RE: I'd rather watch Flores play 2nd  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:31 pm : link
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and struggle than watch Cabrera taking up space.


Walker will be back in a few days and we can finally be rid of him.
Cabrera shouldve stolen second base  
spike : 7/17/2017 10:31 pm : link
it would ve been defensive indifference.

Cespedes swung at ball 4.
RE: RE: I'd rather watch Flores play 2nd  
spike : 7/17/2017 10:32 pm : link
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and struggle than watch Cabrera taking up space.



Walker will be back in a few days and we can finally be rid of him.


they will just move Cabrera to third base
Really warms the heart  
Stufftherun : 7/17/2017 10:32 pm : link
to see Cabrera and Ces jogging to their respective bases to end that one.
RE: Really warms the heart  
spike : 7/17/2017 10:33 pm : link
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to see Cabrera and Ces jogging to their respective bases to end that one.


Both with bad wheels
Can we fast forward to the part where we trade off these older guys?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2017 10:33 pm : link
I'm done watching, and apparently they're done playing.
RE: RE: RE: I'd rather watch Flores play 2nd  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:33 pm : link
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and struggle than watch Cabrera taking up space.



Walker will be back in a few days and we can finally be rid of him.



they will just move Cabrera to third base


I dont think so. I think TJ is staying there. Cabrera's days are numbered. They are trying to trade him as we speak.
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Stufftherun : 7/17/2017 10:34 pm : link
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to see Cabrera and Ces jogging to their respective bases to end that one.



Both with bad wheels


Let me know when the next time they don't have bad wheels.
Brutal loss...  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:35 pm : link
These fucking Cardinals games have been gut wrenching. Well. Looks like we might be getting a complete fire sale after all. I was holding out hope for a hybrid (only 2 weeks ago Sandy was talking about adding relievers) but it's becoming increasingly more unlikely.
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spike : 7/17/2017 10:35 pm : link
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and struggle than watch Cabrera taking up space.



Walker will be back in a few days and we can finally be rid of him.



they will just move Cabrera to third base



I dont think so. I think TJ is staying there. Cabrera's days are numbered. They are trying to trade him as we speak.


We are lucky to get a bag of balls for a replacement level player
And Im sorry but Cespedes has been awful this year...  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:38 pm : link
The Mets have a top 10 offense in baseball but it's no thanks to him. Thank you 30 million dollar man. You've given us zip in 2017.
Cespedes  
allstarjim : 7/17/2017 10:41 pm : link
Is killing the Mets in the 3-hole right now. Drop him to 5th in the order until he gets right.


He is pounding weak contact into the dirt over and over.

And that was a terrible swing 3-0. I think it was Keith that said you don't swing at that when you are looking middle-of-the-road which he should be doing 3-0.

We need the real Ces back.

At least I did get my wish of seeing Conforto attack and pull a ball and parked it in the right-center field bleachers. More of that, please.


Are we really gonna turn on Cespedes for being hurt all year and  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2017 10:41 pm : link
trying to work through it?

He should want to play, that's his job. Team should have shut him down weeks ago.
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allstarjim : 7/17/2017 10:42 pm : link
That should've said middle-in.
I feel like all year people have been  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:43 pm : link
killing Reyes (making 500K) or the forever whipping boy Duda (having a career year).

The biggest disappointments are:

1.) Injuries
2.) Cabrera
3.) Cespedes
RE: And Im sorry but Cespedes has been awful this year...  
Stufftherun : 7/17/2017 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13530655 ZGiants98 said:
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The Mets have a top 10 offense in baseball but it's no thanks to him. Thank you 30 million dollar man. You've given us zip in 2017.


I think most Mets fans applauded the signing but when things go bad for him it's just awful to watch. Sure, he can always use the leg injuries as a crutch, but we've seen him play it up and dog it too many times even when healthy.
RE: Are we really gonna turn on Cespedes for being hurt all year and  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:44 pm : link
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trying to work through it?

He should want to play, that's his job. Team should have shut him down weeks ago.


They did shut him down. For over a month. He came back. He deemed himself healthy. Im not going to speculate but he doesn't even have a wrap on his leg anymore. Supposedly this is the best he's felt in a while.
RE: Are we really gonna turn on Cespedes for being hurt all year and  
allstarjim : 7/17/2017 10:45 pm : link
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trying to work through it?

He should want to play, that's his job. Team should have shut him down weeks ago.


I'm not turning on him, I think he will turn it around, but they can't keep him in the 3-hole when he is swinging the bat this poorly.

And it's not just his injuries. He has been terrible at pitch recognition recently. He is swinging at balls way out of the zone and watching middle-middle pitches go by.

It's frustrating because I wonder how he is swinging at so many bad pitches. He is getting himself out right now.
And yeah maybe part of it is his nagging leg stuff  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:46 pm : link
But who the hell told him to squat 500 lbs in the offseason?

Facts are facts. Cespedes is having a bad year and he's the guy we spent the massive money.
RE: I feel like all year people have been  
allstarjim : 7/17/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13530664 ZGiants98 said:
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killing Reyes (making 500K) or the forever whipping boy Duda (having a career year).

The biggest disappointments are:

1.) Injuries
2.) Cabrera
3.) Cespedes


Cabrera has simply regressed to the mean.
Don't get me wrong.  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:49 pm : link
Im still happy we signed him. I sitll think it's possible he turns it around in the second half.

The reality is we are a number of games under .500. It's easy to see Thor and Familia out and understand why the pitching took a hit. Cespedes, fair or not, is a big reason we are where we are right now. We were counting on him to lead the lineup and he hasn't.
RE: RE: I feel like all year people have been  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 10:51 pm : link
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killing Reyes (making 500K) or the forever whipping boy Duda (having a career year).

The biggest disappointments are:

1.) Injuries
2.) Cabrera
3.) Cespedes



Cabrera has simply regressed to the mean.


Cabrera is one of the worst players in baseball. He is negative WAR player. I dont think Ive seen a player play this badly on the Mets. He has been an abomination. Throw in that he's a cancer in the clubhouse?? That guy can suck a bag of dicks.
So frustrating watching pros play such dumb baseball  
steve in ky : 7/17/2017 10:53 pm : link
How in the world Ces swings at the pitch in that situation is beyond stupid. Even if Terry gave him a green light (which IMO was also a mistake) then he had better be certain the pitch was right where he was looking for it or a mistake pitch he could slam.

Maybe they don't win it anyway but of course we will never know.
RE: And yeah maybe part of it is his nagging leg stuff  
spike : 7/17/2017 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13530678 ZGiants98 said:
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But who the hell told him to squat 500 lbs in the offseason?

Facts are facts. Cespedes is having a bad year and he's the guy we spent the massive money.


Barwis
RE: RE: And yeah maybe part of it is his nagging leg stuff  
ZGiants98 : 7/17/2017 11:02 pm : link
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But who the hell told him to squat 500 lbs in the offseason?

Facts are facts. Cespedes is having a bad year and he's the guy we spent the massive money.



Barwis


Im pretty sure Cespedes does his own training.
Mets are now picking 6th (tied w/ Detroit) in the 2018 draft  
spike : 7/17/2017 11:48 pm : link
let the tanking begin!
The Mets top 30 prospect list looks sad  
spike : 7/17/2017 11:50 pm : link
with the exception of the top two.


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I disagree...  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 12:00 am : link
That list looks pretty good. I know there have been a few underperformances (Dunn) and a bunch of guys are out to injury but we will still be top 15-ish next year. When Flexen is 22 you are doing pretty alright although that list likely isn't very accurate or up to date.
No question he's having a bad year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/18/2017 12:06 am : link
sluggers are gonna be pretty useless trying to play around leg and hip injuries.

I feel like we've seen enough good out of him to say that he's clearly not right when he's playing like this, and the Mets have totally lost the benefit of the doubt with me concerning getting players through injuries.

Same guy OPSd 1.000 last summer.
RE: RE: Really warms the heart  
Section331 : 7/18/2017 9:35 am : link
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Both with bad wheels


Cabrera looks like he's running with square wheels, the fat fuck.
RE: The Mets top 30 prospect list looks sad  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 9:37 am : link
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with the exception of the top two.
Prospect list - ( New Window )


That list isn't even close to up to date but yes insane amount of injuries and under performance.
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arcarsenal : 7/18/2017 2:03 pm : link
However Cespedes is training, it's obviously not to his benefit and needs to be corrected.
Seems  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 2:06 pm : link
like they let these guys do whatever they want. Syndergaard says he's not changing anything, Dom Smith has again packed on weight (he's hitting, I'm not hating, just pointing out a fact).
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steve in ky : 7/18/2017 2:11 pm : link
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like they let these guys do whatever they want. Syndergaard says he's not changing anything, Dom Smith has again packed on weight (he's hitting, I'm not hating, just pointing out a fact).


Seems like sports stars are mini corporations these days and while yes they are under contract they still view themselves as their own entity and many no longer all buy into the traditional "employer/employee" concept.

In other words a lot of them do what they want, in all sports for many teams.
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DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 2:16 pm : link
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like they let these guys do whatever they want. Syndergaard says he's not changing anything, Dom Smith has again packed on weight (he's hitting, I'm not hating, just pointing out a fact).



Seems like sports stars are mini corporations these days and while yes they are under contract they still view themselves as their own entity and many no longer all buy into the traditional "employer/employee" concept.

In other words a lot of them do what they want, in all sports for many teams.


The Mets have (to me) an unseemly situation where a Michigan guy (Barwis) has a business deal with the Mets via Fred (Michigan). They funnel these guys to Barwis in the off-season (the players pay for themselves). Maybe other teams have similar setups (no clue) but it just seems like the Mets in particular need to change the way they do this. Even for "lets just try something else" purposes.
RE: Seems  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13531163 DanMetroMan said:
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like they let these guys do whatever they want. Syndergaard says he's not changing anything, Dom Smith has again packed on weight (he's hitting, I'm not hating, just pointing out a fact).


I want him to gain more weight and be a cross between Prince Fielder and Mo Vaughn. Best case scenario. Sure he won't steal bases but he'll hit the hell out of the ball and play a decent 1B.
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DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 2:23 pm : link
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like they let these guys do whatever they want. Syndergaard says he's not changing anything, Dom Smith has again packed on weight (he's hitting, I'm not hating, just pointing out a fact).



I want him to gain more weight and be a cross between Prince Fielder and Mo Vaughn. Best case scenario. Sure he won't steal bases but he'll hit the hell out of the ball and play a decent 1B.


PJ,
In all honesty my point wasn't a dig at Smith rather it doesn't seem like their training methods/nutrition plans are working as an organization. What is the harm in trying something new unless it's a Wilpon/Barwis $$ situation?
I completely agree with you  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 2:25 pm : link
when your injury history is this bad this consistently you can't simply approach the next season the way you did the last one, and the one before that, and the one before that.

this is no longer a statistical normality (IMO, haven't seen stats).

The Mets 100% need to change things up and if that means ending Barwis and pay them/not pay them who cares, baseball has to come first.

my comment about Smith was simply I don't care how fat he is.
RE: Mets are now picking 6th (tied w/ Detroit) in the 2018 draft  
Shecky : 7/18/2017 3:48 pm : link
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let the tanking begin!


Top three would be great ;)
HS  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 3:50 pm : link
crop looks very very sexy. 3 HS SP are being called potential 1's.
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spike : 7/18/2017 4:38 pm : link
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let the tanking begin!



Top three would be great ;)


Phillies and Giants are way too far ahead or below.
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