Peter King hosted this for Monday Morning Quarterback. 23,000 players overall. Can't say I disagree. The panel of voters:
• Ernie Accorsi, former GM of the Colts, Browns and Giants (Ring of Honor).
• Gil Brandt, father of modern football scouting. Has worked in NFL for the past 58 years.
• Joel Bussert, for 40 years the NFL’s vice president of player personnel.
• Dan Fouts, Hall of Fame quarterback, current Pro Football Hall of Fame voter.
• Rick Gosselin, longtime pro football columnist, and king of the mock draft.
• Joe Horrigan, Pro Football Hall of Fame executive vice president and chief archivist.
• Peter King, 33-year pro football writer, editor-in-chief of The MMQB and Hall of Fame voter.
• Bob McGinn, who just finished a 38-year run covering the Green Bay Packers.
• Bill Polian, six-time Executive of the Year and a Pro Football Hall of Fame GM.
• John Turney, editor of Pro Football Journal and respected football historian.
• Ron Wolf, architect of three NFL playoff teams, and Pro Football Hall of Fame GM.
• John Wooten, 10-year NFL guard, 23-year NFL scout, head of The Fritz Pollard Alliance.
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Johnny Unitas?
Elway or Eli
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Anybody wanna guess who Accorsi selected with his 1st pick?
Johnny Unitas?
Unitas was never drafted
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In comment 13530542 Motley Two said:
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Anybody wanna guess who Accorsi selected with his 1st pick?
Johnny Unitas?
Unitas was never drafted
The all-time draft is from all players. Their "draft" didn't have restrictions who was eligible. I still didn't look at any of the links as I find these "lists" as pointless filler. I remember Ernie raving about Johnny so I guessed.
By Dan Fouts. In round 1. Which just makes a mockery of the whole thing
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In comment 13530544 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13530542 Motley Two said:
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Anybody wanna guess who Accorsi selected with his 1st pick?
Johnny Unitas?
Unitas was never drafted
The all-time draft is from all players. Their "draft" didn't have restrictions who was eligible. I still didn't look at any of the links as I find these "lists" as pointless filler. I remember Ernie raving about Johnny so I guessed.
Actually Unitas is a really good guess, but it was Elway.
He probably flipped a coin.
scary
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In comment 13530542 Motley Two said:
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Anybody wanna guess who Accorsi selected with his 1st pick?
Johnny Unitas?
Unitas was never drafted
The all-time draft is from all players. Their "draft" didn't have restrictions who was eligible. I still didn't look at any of the links as I find these "lists" as pointless filler. I remember Ernie raving about Johnny so I guessed.
Pointless filler. Agreed
That's something a brain injured wack job would do.
He pretty much killed his chances of ever getting a GM job, if we was ever interested in that line of work.
I know there's plenty of older fans with a sense of nostalgia towards a lot of players from the 70s and before -- the reality is most wouldn't be athletic enough to even play in the NFL today.
I know there's plenty of older fans with a sense of nostalgia towards a lot of players from the 70s and before -- the reality is most wouldn't be athletic enough to even play in the NFL today.
Yep. Depending on the position, I might look a little further back at some guys. Marino/Elway would probably be my cut off at QB.
For WR, I'm probably not looking at anybody pre Randy Moss.
If you go back to the 50's and 60's though, I would agree. Many of them would not be good players today.
Andy Robustelli was a great for his time, but nobody is playing DE in the NFL today at 230 lbs.
If you go back to the 50's and 60's though, I would agree. Many of them would not be good players today.
Andy Robustelli was a great for his time, but nobody is playing DE in the NFL today at 230 lbs.
I think Rice at his best could still be a productive player in today's NFL, but I don't think he'd be a stud. Of course no way to know for sure, it's kind of fun to think about in the absence of the season, but I can't ignore size/speed.
There are average CBs playing now who are bigger & faster than Rice. Today's WR usually need to be one or the other, bigger or faster than the CBs defending them.
It's like saying L.T. would've been "just ok" these days.
That's just silly.
Talent is talent, and the top tier guys from the past would have gone through the process of modern athletics and come out just as bigger and faster.
The same could be said of modern guys going back in time. How would your modern NFL superstar fair without designer drugs, massage therapy, and a personal chef, playing on an unheated field with a tin can helmet?
It's like saying L.T. would've been "just ok" these days.
That's just silly.
Actually a day shy of 40. For what MMQB did here, where they got got to select two WR, I'm still gonna target guys like Julio, Megatron, Moss, OBJ, first.
Talent is talent, and the top tier guys from the past would have gone through the process of modern athletics and come out just as bigger and faster.
Yes.
I was thinking "P" meant something else.....WTF???
Let's not even bother with the size speed comparisons of today vs yesterday. Unfair to do so. Those guys that dominated the game would also reap the benefits of today just like today's athlete does. Rice would also be bigger and stronger.
Let's not even bother with the size speed comparisons of today vs yesterday. Unfair to do so. Those guys that dominated the game would also reap the benefits of today just like today's athlete does. Rice would also be bigger and stronger.
Sure, if he could grow to 6'4" and start clocking 4.25 on his 40's. Otherwise I'll stick with Moss
That's just gross.
And to think Elway and Marino wouldn't be the same superstars now is laughable. Hell there are some teams that would take Marino right now at 55 years old (see Jets).
If you could teleport the player to any era, would he enjoy the same success? I know Michael Strahan would have a great career in any era. Andy Robustelli at 6'1" 230 lbs wouldn't even be on Reese's board today.
The skill guys from the past may transcend eras but definitely not OL/DL. They just don't have the size/athleticism to compete today.
Let's not even bother with the size speed comparisons of today vs yesterday. Unfair to do so. Those guys that dominated the game would also reap the benefits of today just like today's athlete does. Rice would also be bigger and stronger.
I think everyone would be stronger/faster. But I see no reason to believe that the gains from modern conditions would be distributed evenly. So maybe Rice gets excess gains, runs 4.4, and is even better. Maybe he doesnt get a lot faster, and loses ground to modern CBs. Maybe modern defenses are better adept at stopping WC offense elements. It's easier to see this conundrum with linemen -- would you just assume that Jim Ringo, a 6-1, 235 lbs all-time center would be 6-4, 300+ if he played today? Gene Upshaw was 255 -- how good would be be with another 60 or 70 lbs? Maybe another man would be the transcendent player at that size. Too much of a guessing game.
I think you have to evaluate guys within their era, and then adjust for era-specific factors (how the game was being played, rules, ebbs and flows of overall talent levels etc.). I think Rice would be really good, maybe the best in the NFL. But Im not sure he would be.
Most overrated coach of all time. Unbelievable Dungy is in the hall of fame.
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why wouldn't he? Matter of fact, he'd be even better today because he dominated the sport when the sport wasn't tilted in the WRs favor.
Let's not even bother with the size speed comparisons of today vs yesterday. Unfair to do so. Those guys that dominated the game would also reap the benefits of today just like today's athlete does. Rice would also be bigger and stronger.
Sure, if he could grow to 6'4" and start clocking 4.25 on his 40's. Otherwise I'll stick with Moss
Cool...I will take the WR that didn't quit in the NFC Championship game and wasn't dumped more than once in the middle of his career. You take the big guy. I will take the best guy.
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Of Tony Dungy before little Bill?
Most overrated coach of all time. Unbelievable Dungy is in the hall of fame.
Comical. In what world is Tony Freaking Dungy a better coach than Belichick? Belichick is the best coach of my lifetime. Dungy might be the most overrated coach of my lifetime.
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why wouldn't he? Matter of fact, he'd be even better today because he dominated the sport when the sport wasn't tilted in the WRs favor.
Let's not even bother with the size speed comparisons of today vs yesterday. Unfair to do so. Those guys that dominated the game would also reap the benefits of today just like today's athlete does. Rice would also be bigger and stronger.
Sure, if he could grow to 6'4" and start clocking 4.25 on his 40's. Otherwise I'll stick with Moss
Cool...I will take the WR that didn't quit in the NFC Championship game and wasn't dumped more than once in the middle of his career. You take the big guy. I will take the best guy.
Oh but I got Calvin on the other side, son! Your squad is doomed!
At age 40, he had over 1200 yards receiving and 7 TDs. Again, this was his AGE FORTY season in 2002. That's 2002, aka the year prior to Eli's rookie season.
He dominated because he was one of the best route runners ever and had the best hands in the league to go with insane football instincts, superior will to win and unmatched work ethic. All of that translates to today's game. Anyone who thinks Randy Moss, a quitter who could've been so much more was better than Rice, and I don't know what to tell you.
I don't care about bigger corners today. They had big corners back then too. Sure, there are more of them now. But Jerry would still beat them today because Jerry was going to beat everyone.
We aren't talking eons ago, Rice was dominant throughout the 90's as well.
Again, in 2002, 40 year old Jerry Rice, a lessor version of him, still put 1200 yards and 7 scores up on the league.
There were faster guys than him, there were bigger guys than him, he would not be denied.
I'm not going to assume his body type would be so different if he played today, my argument is he wouldn't need it to be. Maybe he'd be even better with modern training technology, but he'd still be better than anyone playing today because of the competitor he was.
The only guy that I would pause for is OBJ. And I still think he has work to do to clean up some things.
Moss was a beast but Rice was better.
AMEN
He was the most productive offensive player for close to 20 years! A WR!
No one will touch Rice. Never. And we're in a passing/receiving era.
It would be like a slugging center fielder averaging 50 Hrs and 300 avg for 20 years from the mid 80s through the 90s. I say CFer because that position doesn't typically outslug other positions much like WRs don't typically outscore RBs. Rice did.
Except for Odell.
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No one is. By every measure Rice is better than every receiver ever.
Except for Odell.
Fair point. Except this is a different era that caters to the passing game and oh yeah, Odell needs to maintain this pace for another 17 years! 17!
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No one is. By every measure Rice is better than every receiver ever.
Except for Odell.
Fair point. Except this is a different era that caters to the passing game and oh yeah, Odell needs to maintain this pace for another 17 years! 17!
Should be a breeze. He'll do it in 12!
Eli was not deemed Elite.