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superspynyg : 7/18/2017 9:40 am
Well not sure if it was discussed on the game thread last night...don't car. Bird to have surgery out 6 weeks. So Yanks are discussing a trade with the A's for 1b Alonzo. Jon Morosi reporting.

He is a UFA next season so I would not give up any of our top players for a 1 and possibly done player. What would you give up for Alonzo?

It is good to have both Holliday and Castro back in the lineup.
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RE: If you've ever seen Mateo play  
yatqb : 7/18/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13531302 arniefez said:
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you wouldn't want him traded. The guy has electric talent and more power than you think. He's young and been jerked around a little. Don't forget Sanchez got labeled a similar way at about the same age. The hardest thing for the Yankees is scout their own system. I hope Phil is correct and that Didi and Castro are possible trade pieces over the winter for young pitching or one of them moves to 3B. I would love to see Torres and Mateo at SS and 2B in 2018/19.


I'd be very hesitant to trade Didi. Not so much Castro. Didi is a wonderful fielder with decent pop. Let Torres play 2B or 3B if he makes the team next year, and leave Didi at SS.
RE: RE: IF  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13531312 JoeMoney19 said:
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In comment 13531200 DanMetroMan said:


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Votto didn't have so many years left the Reds/Yankees would be a great match. Votto/Iglesias.


Of any realistic long-term option out there, Votto would be my choice. His presence in the middle of the lineup would be amazing and he's a student of the game that would likely be a real benefit to the younger players.

But unless the Reds eat like $5mm+ per year, his contract and his age are prohibitive to the point I'd rather us go after a rental like Alonso.


Votto likely isn't a HOFer thanks to the threshold for HOF 1b but if the guy played for a winning franchise he might well be looked as one. Career .966 OPS, 157 OPS= BEAST
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 3:47 pm : link
interested in Duda and Reed. Send Blake over here baby! lol
RE: Yankees  
superspynyg : 7/18/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13531344 DanMetroMan said:
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interested in Duda and Reed. Send Blake over here baby! lol


The only way you get Blake is if its a blockbuster and DeGrom comes with him.
The  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 3:51 pm : link
Mets aren't dealing DeGrom even if blown away. Sandy isn't Theo, he deals in right now and is paralyzed by "big" moves.
RE: RE: RE: IF  
JoeMoney19 : 7/18/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13531343 DanMetroMan said:
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Votto likely isn't a HOFer thanks to the threshold for HOF 1b but if the guy played for a winning franchise he might well be looked as one. Career .966 OPS, 157 OPS= BEAST

100% on a HOF trajectory IMO. One of the best hitters I've ever seen.
Dan  
Chris684 : 7/18/2017 4:02 pm : link
What would be a reasonable return from Yanks on a Duda/Reed package?

God I hope they don't waste their time with Duda  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 4:04 pm : link
Find a 1B who's not on the DL every other week.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13531376 Chris684 said:
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What would be a reasonable return from Yanks on a Duda/Reed package?


The Mets are going to do the opposite of what they should and focus on guys who are closer to the big leagues had he not been injured Fowler 100% is the kind of guy they would have focused on. With Wright done Andujar would likely be high on their wish list. At the end of the day I don't expect a deal between the two teams. Silly but true.
Mateo is by far the most  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 4:10 pm : link
disruptive player on the farm and has the only 80 tool, though Greg is right that the Yankee minor league parks are still suppressing O. Just as you weren't surprised by Cano if you saw him, instead of reading about him, you still have to see these guys to see what's what.
Carlos Correa OUT 6-8 weeks due to thumb injury  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2017 4:18 pm : link
...
Correa  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 4:23 pm : link
Could be a season ender. Might still need surgery.
Maybe the 'Stros need Starlin Castro to play short or third?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2017 4:26 pm : link
(I could barely type that without laughing.)
there's no way they'd ever deal Fowler or Andujar  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 4:27 pm : link
for Lucas fucking Duda.
RE: there's no way they'd ever deal Fowler or Andujar  
JoeMoney19 : 7/18/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13531407 Greg from LI said:
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for Lucas fucking Duda.

I'd hope not either, but the Fowler injury definitely disrupted potential trade plans. I think he was the most likely prospect to be dealt before that horribly unfortunate play.
Rutherford for Gray  
Dave in PA : 7/18/2017 4:44 pm : link
Would be a miserable trade for the Yankees. I'm not opposed to trading BR, but you better be getting a better and less injury prone pitcher than Gray back
RE: Gray is not  
Matt M. : 7/18/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13531088 Phil in LA said:
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what he was, so no on Gray. Period. There doesn't seem to be anyone on the market that is worth good prospects.
Agreed on both counts. If I'm the Yankees I'd be selling, but not stars. I'd try to unload veterans like Elssbury, Gardner, and/or Headley to anyone interested, eating a lot of salary if I had to. This would be addition by subtraction and get get guys like Frazier, Hicks and others more regular playing time.
Now I think Rutherford has a chance to be good...  
LarmerTJR : 7/18/2017 4:52 pm : link
BUT, there is no way we hit on all these "top" prospects. We are going to have to take a chance to upgrade the pitching, both now, and in the long run. We have to give to get, and if we need to deal Rutherford, or someone else of similar ilk, we have to deal with it.

At this point, I include Blake in a deal for Gray. The chance is stays good is higher than Rutherford, in reality...I am not saying we go all Dembrowski here, but we need to be realistic.
I'm fine with trading some of these guys  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 4:54 pm : link
Just not for an older, injury prone first baseman or a merely decent pitcher who had arm trouble last year.
RE: I'm fine with trading some of these guys  
Matt M. : 7/18/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13531447 Greg from LI said:
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Just not for an older, injury prone first baseman or a merely decent pitcher who had arm trouble last year.
Agreed. But, is there really anyone out there you would trade a top prospect for or even a 2nd tier prospect for? I wouldn't. Plus, they are right in the thick of the division and WC hunt as is.
RE: there's no way they'd ever deal Fowler or Andujar  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13531407 Greg from LI said:
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for Lucas fucking Duda.


Just to see your head explore Greg


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I would suspect that if the Mets are packaging multiple higher end pieces to the Yankees, theyre going after Rutherford

(100% not realistic in my eyes just wanted to poke Greg)
All depends on the price  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 5:07 pm : link
I'd be interested in Duda for, say, McKinney and a second-tier guy. Not Andujar.
RE: All depends on the price  
Matt M. : 7/18/2017 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13531471 Greg from LI said:
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I'd be interested in Duda for, say, McKinney and a second-tier guy. Not Andujar.
I wouldn't give up that much for Duda.
Sonny grey stands 5' 10''  
xman : 7/18/2017 5:21 pm : link
and he is not a lefty
Where I keep getting tripped up is this:  
bigbluehoya : 7/18/2017 5:45 pm : link
Even without addressing the Ellsbury conundrum or Gardner's remaining year:

Judge
Hicks
Frazier
Fowler
Rutherford

Wade could also be considered in that group if you consider the IF spoken for among Didi, Castro, Torres, Mateo, Andujar.

Something has to give eventually. Certainly not suggesting that now is the time it needs to be sorted or that you force something and sell low, but something needs to happen at some point.
Remember  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 6:01 pm : link
That Holliday is probably the last of the old DH"s.
Well, Rutherford is a couple of years away.  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2017 6:01 pm : link
As is Florial, who belongs on that list, too. I'd like to hold onto Frazier at least until those guys get closer to the big leagues, particularly now that Fowler is a question mark. I have no clue how they're resolving the Gardy/Ellsbury issue, but I hope the starting outfield next season is Frazier, Hicks and Judge.

I don't think the Yankees will commit long-term to Hicks, and I wonder if Judge will be moved to first base or given more at-bats at DH to protect those knees. In other words, a lot can happen by the time the lower level studs start knocking on the door.
RE: Where I keep getting tripped up is this:  
mavric : 7/18/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13531527 bigbluehoya said:
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Even without addressing the Ellsbury conundrum or Gardner's remaining year:

Judge
Hicks
Frazier
Fowler
Rutherford

Wade could also be considered in that group if you consider the IF spoken for among Didi, Castro, Torres, Mateo, Andujar.

Something has to give eventually. Certainly not suggesting that now is the time it needs to be sorted or that you force something and sell low, but something needs to happen at some point.


You can add Billy McKinney and Estevan Florial to that list of outfielders with the star factor and major league potential. Both have been on fire. And the Yanks also signed the top international outfielder a few weeks ago when they signed Everson Pereira out of Venezuela for 1.5 million who could be a 5-tool center fielder

McKinney was Oakland's 2013 1st round pick and their second highest prized prospect in their system when they traded him to the Cubs for Samardzija and Hammel.

But yeah, the Yanks have a slew of top outfielders and outfielder prospects chompin at the bit. Can play them all.
RE: Remember  
bigbluehoya : 7/18/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13531538 Phil in LA said:
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That Holliday is probably the last of the old DH"s.


This is a good point, and I hope it's true. I appreciate what Holliday brings, but I do hate not regularly having that spot to give guys half-days off on the regular. It's especially needed now that there's a heavy hitting catcher around again.
RE: RE: there's no way they'd ever deal Fowler or Andujar  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13531465 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13531407 Greg from LI said:


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for Lucas fucking Duda.



Just to see your head explore Greg


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Jarrett Seidler‏ @jaseidler 1h1 hour ago
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I would suspect that if the Mets are packaging multiple higher end pieces to the Yankees, theyre going after Rutherford

(100% not realistic in my eyes just wanted to poke Greg)

Haha. I cannot imagine watching Rutherford killing for the Mets for a decade because the Yankees decided a half a year of Duda was a worthwhile price to pay. Holy Christ
I have been a huge Rutherford fan since the draft  
Jay on the Island : 7/18/2017 6:11 pm : link
He was among my favorites for the Braves #3 pick last year. I wonder what it would take to land him from the Yankees. I am assuming Teheran but I doubt the Yankees would feel confident with him in Yankee stadium as he has struggled mightily at Suntrust park this season while pitching great on the road.
RE: I have been a huge Rutherford fan since the draft  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13531547 Jay on the Island said:
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He was among my favorites for the Braves #3 pick last year. I wonder what it would take to land him from the Yankees. I am assuming Teheran but I doubt the Yankees would feel confident with him in Yankee stadium as he has struggled mightily at Suntrust park this season while pitching great on the road.

The Braves would actually be a perfect trade partner. They don't have the "now" players I'd want (no thanks on Teheran) but they are loaded with arms in their system. I would absolutely deal Rutherford for some high upside arms. Only because of the log jam at the OF positions
RE: RE: I have been a huge Rutherford fan since the draft  
Jay on the Island : 7/18/2017 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13531552 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13531547 Jay on the Island said:


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He was among my favorites for the Braves #3 pick last year. I wonder what it would take to land him from the Yankees. I am assuming Teheran but I doubt the Yankees would feel confident with him in Yankee stadium as he has struggled mightily at Suntrust park this season while pitching great on the road.


The Braves would actually be a perfect trade partner. They don't have the "now" players I'd want (no thanks on Teheran) but they are loaded with arms in their system. I would absolutely deal Rutherford for some high upside arms. Only because of the log jam at the OF positions

Agreed a Rutherford for Gohara trade would make a lot of sense for both sides.
yatqb  
arniefez : 7/18/2017 6:28 pm : link
I'm a fan of Didi's. But his range is actually very average and maybe not even average going to his left. He's also a very low OBP player. You can win with Didi but I see another typical Yankee decision where they move the superior fielder to another position (Torres) and weaken their defense. I wouldn't give Didi away but as part of a package for a top end pitcher that would be fine.
JD Martinez to the D-Backs...  
LarmerTJR : 7/18/2017 6:34 pm : link
Details to follow...
I skimed  
mitch300 : 7/18/2017 6:39 pm : link
thru the thread. I like Cashman's attitude. He is not looking to win a championship. But, to win championshipS. We are not in the mode where we have to win this year or never have a chance. Let's not make a trade just to make a trade.
RE: yatqb  
mavric : 7/18/2017 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13531560 arniefez said:
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I'm a fan of Didi's. But his range is actually very average and maybe not even average going to his left. He's also a very low OBP player. You can win with Didi but I see another typical Yankee decision where they move the superior fielder to another position (Torres) and weaken their defense. I wouldn't give Didi away but as part of a package for a top end pitcher that would be fine.


I disagree. Didi has been nothing but stellar at shortstop. He's proven he can handle the bright lights of NYC and the stadium (which is a complete unknown as proven by history). Getting a solid fielding SS who can hit around 300 and knock in 20+ HR's is a luxury every team would love to have.

We have the best fielding SS in all of baseball in Kyle Holder, but he won't come close to putting up Didi's numbers, albeit, he's surprised somewhat hitting .290 and actually hit a HR that no one thought was possible.

Keep Didi unless Torres can PROVE he's a better defensive SS and will not melt under the lights of NYC like so many phenoms have done in the past.

Didi is one of my favorite players - reminds me of Yankee killer Dustin Pedroia of the Sox - kind of an ugly fucker who keeps his mouth shut and doesn't have an overblown ego. Simply plays his heart out and seems to always come through in the pinch.
Didi is likable  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 7:08 pm : link
But a low OBP hacker who the Yanks should sell high on if they can.
Relax everyone  
Jay in Toronto : 7/18/2017 7:08 pm : link
It's Cashman not Slats.
For the next 3-4 years  
superspynyg : 7/18/2017 7:25 pm : link
2b Castro. Can hit 300 and 70-80 every year
SS Didi good defensive SS. Timely hits
3b Torres future star player.

RE: For the next 3-4 years  
superspynyg : 7/18/2017 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13531596 superspynyg said:
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2b Castro. Can hit 300 and 70-80 every year
SS Didi good defensive SS. Timely hits
3b Torres future star player.


By the way all still young. Castro is 27
RE: For the next 3-4 years  
adamg : 7/18/2017 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13531596 superspynyg said:
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2b Castro. Can hit 300 and 70-80 every year
SS Didi good defensive SS. Timely hits
3b Torres future star player.


What middle infielders do we have in the system who can take over in 5 years?
RE: For the next 3-4 years  
Mike from SI : 7/18/2017 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13531596 superspynyg said:
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2b Castro. Can hit 300 and 70-80 every year
SS Didi good defensive SS. Timely hits
3b Torres future star player.


In his 7 full seasons Castro hit exactly .300 once, above .300 once, and below .300 5 times. Not sure why you think he's a lock .300 hitter. His career average is .282, and that's what I think one should expect from him every year.
RE: RE: For the next 3-4 years  
Mike from SI : 7/18/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13531602 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 13531596 superspynyg said:


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2b Castro. Can hit 300 and 70-80 every year
SS Didi good defensive SS. Timely hits
3b Torres future star player.




In his 7 full seasons Castro hit exactly .300 once, above .300 once, and below .300 5 times. Not sure why you think he's a lock .300 hitter. His career average is .282, and that's what I think one should expect from him every year.


He's also never had an OPS above .777 in a full season. His OPS this year has been .828. It's possible we're seeing peak Castro this season.
Anyone watching pre game?  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 7:45 pm : link
A buddy of mine in Red Sox nation says Red Sox radio is saying Frazier was a late healthy scratch. Say it ain't so...
RE: Anyone watching pre game?  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13531608 BigBlueShock said:
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A buddy of mine in Red Sox nation says Red Sox radio is saying Frazier was a late healthy scratch. Say it ain't so...

Disregard. Apparently they were talking about Todd Frazier. Damn Red Sox fans giving me a heart attack
Todd Frazier  
Mike from SI : 7/18/2017 7:57 pm : link
getting traded? Would be a reason for a late healthy scratch.
Rumor is  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 8:12 pm : link
Todd Frazier has been traded. No idea to who yet. Has to be Red Sox I would guess
I don't want to bash Didi  
arniefez : 7/18/2017 8:26 pm : link
but give me a break comparing him to Pedroia. Here are some facts.

Didi has never had an OPS+ over 100. Pedroia had only had one year below 100 and it was 99.

OPS+ Lifetime

Didi 92
Pedroia 114

OBP lifetime

Didi .312
Pedroia .367


RE: I don't want to bash Didi  
mavric : 7/18/2017 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13531634 arniefez said:
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but give me a break comparing him to Pedroia. Here are some facts.

Didi has never had an OPS+ over 100. Pedroia had only had one year below 100 and it was 99.

OPS+ Lifetime

Didi 92
Pedroia 114

OBP lifetime

Didi .312
Pedroia .367



I wasn't talking stats, I was talking the way they both play the game - hard nosed very play, professional and quietly get it done.

As a Yankee fan I'm supposed to hate the Sox, but I can admire players from other teams simply because of the way they play. I used to hate Pedroia because he always came through to beat the Yanks. But over time, I began to admire him for the way he played the game. I pretty much always have a game going on in the background throughout the summer as I'm working on something else. Certain players come to bat and I have to stop everything and watch them him. I used to do it with Will Clark, George Brett, Edgar Martinez, Tony Gwinn, etc. I do the same now for Pedroia which is saying something to stop everything to watch a 5'8" player bat.
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