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superspynyg : 7/18/2017 9:40 am
Well not sure if it was discussed on the game thread last night...don't car. Bird to have surgery out 6 weeks. So Yanks are discussing a trade with the A's for 1b Alonzo. Jon Morosi reporting.

He is a UFA next season so I would not give up any of our top players for a 1 and possibly done player. What would you give up for Alonzo?

It is good to have both Holliday and Castro back in the lineup.
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Restocking farm systems is all the rage now.  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2017 12:20 pm : link
That was a perfect storm last year for the Yankees.
Yanks should avoid trading Rutherford and Florial  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 12:27 pm : link
One of the reasons that the last dynasty petered out was that the Yanks didn't have a second swarm of prospects ready when Paulie, et al were ready to retire. The second tier for what's coming up are these guys down in Low A and short seasons, whom they will probably need as a second wave once they start seriously winning again next year. Let's not go "all in" for a singles season like this one when the vets suck.
Mateo  
10thAve : 7/18/2017 12:30 pm : link
For what it's worth, I've gone to a couple Trenton games the past couple weeks and Mateo easily plays at a different speed than most of the other players, on the Thunder and the opposing team. The only other kid close to him was Trenton's Tito Polo - not sure how he is viewed but these two were definitely the standouts of the games I went to. Full disclosure, I'm a Mets fan but enjoy living close by to the Thunder and checking out their games.
RE: Why would Adams be off the table?  
rich in DC : 7/18/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13530995 arniefez said:
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Have you ever seen him pitch? I'd be willing to bet that Adams will never have as much value to the Yankees as he does right now as a trade chip. He's a short converted reliever with questionable secondary pitches. He's not AA Phil Hughes or Joba or Ian Kennedy. For a young proven MLB pitcher who is a 2 or 3 with possible upside I'll drive him to the airport. That's exactly what the 2018 Yankees need right now. Adams is not that and probably will never be that.


And like most of the other nonsense that you post, you would lose that bet.
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DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 12:34 pm : link
As many as 10 teams are still in the mix for Marlins righty David Phelps, tweets Nightengale. Phelps is indeed an attractive trade chip, though it’s unlikely that all 10 of those clubs are expressing serious interest and making competitive bids to acquire him. Nightengale names the Yankees, Red Sox, Brewers, Cubs, Rockies, and Rangers as the chief pursuers of Phelps.
RE: I believe if the team makes a major trade  
rich in DC : 7/18/2017 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13530985 Beer Man said:
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it will be for SP. Not so much for this year as for next year. They are hurting for pitching now, but next year could be worst. Pineda is done, CC is a FA at season's end, and Tanaka could opt out at seasons end. Nothing is certain as Tanaka may stay because his value has dropped significantly this year, and CC could be resigned on the cheap (short term). If Pindea ever returns, it would probably be as a reliever; as a started he has struggled every year to stay healthy. As of now, it seems the team will be in the hunt for at least two SPs next year (possibly 3).


I am not as concerned. At worst, the Yanks have found a #2- and possible a true #1- in Severino. Montgomery is at least a mid-rotation guy who has a floor of back of the rotation SP.

Adams should at least be a mid-rotation guy- could be more.

Caleb Smith was a SP through the system. I don't think he could maintain high 90's as a SP like he was throwing last night- but a mid-90's LHP with a change and a third pitch would be a plus in Yankee Stadium.

Things are never quite as dire as the sportswriters- who are DESPERATE for a big story to get clicks on- make it out to be.
RE: Yanks should avoid trading Rutherford and Florial  
Kyle in NY : 7/18/2017 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13531049 Phil in LA said:
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One of the reasons that the last dynasty petered out was that the Yanks didn't have a second swarm of prospects ready when Paulie, et al were ready to retire. The second tier for what's coming up are these guys down in Low A and short seasons, whom they will probably need as a second wave once they start seriously winning again next year. Let's not go "all in" for a singles season like this one when the vets suck.


I agree Phil. I've only been advocating considering including Rutherford or Florial for guys like Gray or now even Fulmer who are controllable for multiple seasons. For a rental? No way
RE: Rumors  
rich in DC : 7/18/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13530966 DanMetroMan said:
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the Orioles may listen on Machado.


I would note that as an aside, who here knew that Yonder Alonzo (the guys the Yanks are talking to the A's about) is Manny Machado's brother in law?

I think Alonzo finally got things to click this year- and might be a good DH and Plan B for the Yanks at 1B in 2018. So long as the Yanks don't give up high end prospects for him, I would make the deal.

I would hope that if a trade gets made, the Yanks deal from their SP surplus at the lower levels.
...  
EddieNYG : 7/18/2017 12:52 pm : link
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Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 17m
yanks getting hits on OF prospect blake rutherford. they want to hold onto him. doubt theyd trade him for a rental, even a good one (alonso)

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Gray is not  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 12:57 pm : link
what he was, so no on Gray. Period. There doesn't seem to be anyone on the market that is worth good prospects.
RE: Why would Adams be off the table?  
Beer Man : 7/18/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13530995 arniefez said:
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Have you ever seen him pitch? I'd be willing to bet that Adams will never have as much value to the Yankees as he does right now as a trade chip. He's a short converted reliever with questionable secondary pitches. He's not AA Phil Hughes or Joba or Ian Kennedy. For a young proven MLB pitcher who is a 2 or 3 with possible upside I'll drive him to the airport. That's exactly what the 2018 Yankees need right now. Adams is not that and probably will never be that.
I think most believe he is off the table for now as he is currently the teams most ready pitching prospect to move up, if need be.
Yanks are in a curious spot right now  
Stu11 : 7/18/2017 12:58 pm : link
they have been awful for a month and things look bleak. As I said in another thread, I'm starting to believe they may never get it together. However They are getting healthy and think about it after Sunday they have a ridiculously favorable schedule- no more West Coast trips, only go to Boston/Balt/Tampa 1 more time each and play a ton of home games in Sept. They get hot and win say 7 or 8 out of 10 which is hardly impossible and they are right back in the mix for the division and WC. So a move or 2 adding a SP/1B could really be a boost. No way I would trade our best prospects, but I agree with Dan I'd deal Mateo.
RE: Restocking farm systems is all the rage now.  
Beer Man : 7/18/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13531044 bceagle05 said:
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That was a perfect storm last year for the Yankees.
Yep, the Yankees started it with the haul they brought in last year.
RE: Gray is not  
Kyle in NY : 7/18/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13531088 Phil in LA said:
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what he was, so no on Gray. Period. There doesn't seem to be anyone on the market that is worth good prospects.


I guess we'll see
The Yanks started seriously restocking the farm  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 1:02 pm : link
when they held onto all 3 of their 2013 1st round picks. They blew three first rounders the following year when they signed Ells, McCann and Beltran. Then fixed that damage last year.
RE: Yanks are in a curious spot right now  
Beer Man : 7/18/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13531090 Stu11 said:
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they have been awful for a month and things look bleak. As I said in another thread, I'm starting to believe they may never get it together. However They are getting healthy and think about it after Sunday they have a ridiculously favorable schedule- no more West Coast trips, only go to Boston/Balt/Tampa 1 more time each and play a ton of home games in Sept. They get hot and win say 7 or 8 out of 10 which is hardly impossible and they are right back in the mix for the division and WC. So a move or 2 adding a SP/1B could really be a boost. No way I would trade our best prospects, but I agree with Dan I'd deal Mateo.
I'm not worried yet, they have a young team, going through growing pain, and suddenly hit with an unusually high number of injuries (particularly to key players)
RE: So  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13530968 DanMetroMan said:
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which SP do you guys anticipate adding when you don't want to trade

Frazier, Rutherford, Mateo and Torres. Not being snarky at all but what kind of SP would you expect holding back those 4? I'd suggest not much of one.

You're putting this all in a vacuum here. Just because someone wouldn't deal Mateo for Gray doesn't mean they wouldn't deal him for someone else. And yes, I'm aware that there may be some that don't want to trade him at all, but the simple fact is, Sonny Gray isn't a guy I'd invest much in. And maybe that person isn't even available this season. I would absolutely deal Mateo for the right SP. Fulmer for example, I'd give up much more. But you don't deal Mateo for Gray simply because Gray is the best of a bad bunch. If Mateos lost that much value, you keep him until he regains it.

No thanks to So my Gray. Has more to do with him than Mateo.
Castro re-habbed in AA  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 1:04 pm : link
and came back raving about Mateo.
What's the deal with Gary Cooper?  
adamg : 7/18/2017 1:11 pm : link
Is he a nonentity?
RE: Castro re-habbed in AA  
mavric : 7/18/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13531099 Phil in LA said:
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and came back raving about Mateo.


Mateo has his plusses and minuses (incredible speed - will steal a lot of bases), but he's not going to unseat anyone in the infield and the OF is overflowing. And Mateo showed some character flaws last year that didn't endear him to the front office. I'm not sure what his disposition is now, but I know the coaches weren't thrilled with his attitude.

Think Rickey Henderson, but without the power or bat.

He was in High A too long  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 1:18 pm : link
check out what he's doing in AA. When he takes his walks, which he is doing in AA, he's a rare weapon. And he can play CF. Neither Judge nor Frazier is what you want in CF, and thus that can be a fit for him. Though, I also think they are going to sell high on Castro and Didi at some point.
Bird released a statement....  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2017 1:25 pm : link
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"This morning I underwent a successful procedure to remove the os trigonum from my right ankle. After trying to play through the injury, I recently sought the opinion of Dr. Martin O’Malley at Hospital for Special Surgery, who provided an accurate diagnosis and performed the required surgery.

"In nearly four months since first injuring my ankle, it had been increasingly frustrating to have only questions and no answers. All this time, I have wanted nothing more than to be out there playing the game I love as a member of the New York Yankees.

"My season is not over. I plan to do everything in my power to return and help our team win in 2017."


The phrase "accurate diagnosis" sure jumps off the screen a bit.
Yup  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 1:30 pm : link
if they'd gotten it right, he'd be back already.
I believe in Bird  
dune69 : 7/18/2017 1:59 pm : link
like I believed in Judge thru his .179 stint in his first year and his slump today. Patience for these young kids.

I do not believe we need to go send Rutherford for a first baseman; short term thinking imo.
I don't believe  
Kyle in NY : 7/18/2017 2:01 pm : link
anybody is advocating sending Rutherford for a 1B
Eh...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2017 2:08 pm : link
I'm far more interested in getting rid of our dead weight than acquiring new people.

Outside of a Michael Fulmer type, who I doubt is actually available and would cost both arms and a leg, I'd be willing to let this season play out with smaller moves like bullpen help and a cheap first baseman very close to the deadline.
No  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 2:12 pm : link
clue the origin but buzz the Rangers are the favorites to land Otani.
Can Rutherford play first base  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2017 2:12 pm : link
is the better question. We may need to get a little creative down the road.
RE: I don't believe  
dune69 : 7/18/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13531153 Kyle in NY said:
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anybody is advocating sending Rutherford for a 1B



Good
IF  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 2:25 pm : link
Votto didn't have so many years left the Reds/Yankees would be a great match. Votto/Iglesias.
If you've ever seen Mateo play  
arniefez : 7/18/2017 3:19 pm : link
you wouldn't want him traded. The guy has electric talent and more power than you think. He's young and been jerked around a little. Don't forget Sanchez got labeled a similar way at about the same age. The hardest thing for the Yankees is scout their own system. I hope Phil is correct and that Didi and Castro are possible trade pieces over the winter for young pitching or one of them moves to 3B. I would love to see Torres and Mateo at SS and 2B in 2018/19.
I think Law is being a bit hasty in saying "hits with no authority"  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 3:26 pm : link
12 XBH in 18 AA games is fairly impressive, no? And Trenton is an extreme pitcher's park that routinely depresses offensive production.

I wouldn't call him untouchable. In fact, I think it's more than likely that he gets traded. He does have value, though, and they're not giving him away for a rental.
RE: IF  
JoeMoney19 : 7/18/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13531200 DanMetroMan said:
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Votto didn't have so many years left the Reds/Yankees would be a great match. Votto/Iglesias.

Of any realistic long-term option out there, Votto would be my choice. His presence in the middle of the lineup would be amazing and he's a student of the game that would likely be a real benefit to the younger players.

But unless the Reds eat like $5mm+ per year, his contract and his age are prohibitive to the point I'd rather us go after a rental like Alonso.
RE: If you've ever seen Mateo play  
yatqb : 7/18/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13531302 arniefez said:
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you wouldn't want him traded. The guy has electric talent and more power than you think. He's young and been jerked around a little. Don't forget Sanchez got labeled a similar way at about the same age. The hardest thing for the Yankees is scout their own system. I hope Phil is correct and that Didi and Castro are possible trade pieces over the winter for young pitching or one of them moves to 3B. I would love to see Torres and Mateo at SS and 2B in 2018/19.


I'd be very hesitant to trade Didi. Not so much Castro. Didi is a wonderful fielder with decent pop. Let Torres play 2B or 3B if he makes the team next year, and leave Didi at SS.
RE: RE: IF  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13531312 JoeMoney19 said:
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In comment 13531200 DanMetroMan said:


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Votto didn't have so many years left the Reds/Yankees would be a great match. Votto/Iglesias.


Of any realistic long-term option out there, Votto would be my choice. His presence in the middle of the lineup would be amazing and he's a student of the game that would likely be a real benefit to the younger players.

But unless the Reds eat like $5mm+ per year, his contract and his age are prohibitive to the point I'd rather us go after a rental like Alonso.


Votto likely isn't a HOFer thanks to the threshold for HOF 1b but if the guy played for a winning franchise he might well be looked as one. Career .966 OPS, 157 OPS= BEAST
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 3:47 pm : link
interested in Duda and Reed. Send Blake over here baby! lol
RE: Yankees  
superspynyg : 7/18/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13531344 DanMetroMan said:
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interested in Duda and Reed. Send Blake over here baby! lol


The only way you get Blake is if its a blockbuster and DeGrom comes with him.
The  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 3:51 pm : link
Mets aren't dealing DeGrom even if blown away. Sandy isn't Theo, he deals in right now and is paralyzed by "big" moves.
RE: RE: RE: IF  
JoeMoney19 : 7/18/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13531343 DanMetroMan said:
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Votto likely isn't a HOFer thanks to the threshold for HOF 1b but if the guy played for a winning franchise he might well be looked as one. Career .966 OPS, 157 OPS= BEAST

100% on a HOF trajectory IMO. One of the best hitters I've ever seen.
Dan  
Chris684 : 7/18/2017 4:02 pm : link
What would be a reasonable return from Yanks on a Duda/Reed package?

God I hope they don't waste their time with Duda  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 4:04 pm : link
Find a 1B who's not on the DL every other week.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13531376 Chris684 said:
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What would be a reasonable return from Yanks on a Duda/Reed package?


The Mets are going to do the opposite of what they should and focus on guys who are closer to the big leagues had he not been injured Fowler 100% is the kind of guy they would have focused on. With Wright done Andujar would likely be high on their wish list. At the end of the day I don't expect a deal between the two teams. Silly but true.
Mateo is by far the most  
Phil in LA : 7/18/2017 4:10 pm : link
disruptive player on the farm and has the only 80 tool, though Greg is right that the Yankee minor league parks are still suppressing O. Just as you weren't surprised by Cano if you saw him, instead of reading about him, you still have to see these guys to see what's what.
Carlos Correa OUT 6-8 weeks due to thumb injury  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2017 4:18 pm : link
...
Correa  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 4:23 pm : link
Could be a season ender. Might still need surgery.
Maybe the 'Stros need Starlin Castro to play short or third?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2017 4:26 pm : link
(I could barely type that without laughing.)
there's no way they'd ever deal Fowler or Andujar  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 4:27 pm : link
for Lucas fucking Duda.
RE: there's no way they'd ever deal Fowler or Andujar  
JoeMoney19 : 7/18/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13531407 Greg from LI said:
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for Lucas fucking Duda.

I'd hope not either, but the Fowler injury definitely disrupted potential trade plans. I think he was the most likely prospect to be dealt before that horribly unfortunate play.
Rutherford for Gray  
Dave in PA : 7/18/2017 4:44 pm : link
Would be a miserable trade for the Yankees. I'm not opposed to trading BR, but you better be getting a better and less injury prone pitcher than Gray back
RE: Gray is not  
Matt M. : 7/18/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13531088 Phil in LA said:
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what he was, so no on Gray. Period. There doesn't seem to be anyone on the market that is worth good prospects.
Agreed on both counts. If I'm the Yankees I'd be selling, but not stars. I'd try to unload veterans like Elssbury, Gardner, and/or Headley to anyone interested, eating a lot of salary if I had to. This would be addition by subtraction and get get guys like Frazier, Hicks and others more regular playing time.
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