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Csonka : 7/18/2017 2:35 pm
I'm certainly no Tebow maniac, but I have nothing against him either.
Just interesting that everyone was so quick to bash him and the Mets for his "undeserving" promotion to Advanced Class A St. Lucie in June, yet 20 games later he's batting .308 with 3 HRs, 3 2Bs and a 3B.
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What Tebow is doing has never been done...  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 2:37 pm : link
If he keeps this up, it's one of the greatest stories in the history of sports. Jordan didn't come close to putting up the numbers he is currently. Not saying it's going to last but it's been remarkable so far.
Bo Jackson or even Dion Sander did more  
steve in ky : 7/18/2017 2:40 pm : link
to this point, But I made the Jordan comparison a couple days ago
In  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 2:46 pm : link
fairness to Jordan he was 31 years old and skipped all the way to AA, not really fair to compare Tebow's line with Jordan's (no knock on Tebow).
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arcarsenal : 7/18/2017 2:46 pm : link
It's fucking bizarre.

It's still just St. Lucie - but if this happens in Bing I'm going to start to be legitimately amazed.
Comparing Tebow  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 2:46 pm : link
to Jordan, Sanders, or Jackson is ridiculous, all three of them were hall-of-famers or would have been in their main/other sport.

Tebow was awful at football and he's 7 years older than league average in his second sport and doing well in it, so while admirable it is hardly something I'd consider historic.

And Jordan never played below AA and was 31 when he switched.

I like Tebow, but I would withhold my hype until he succeeds at a higher level than single A ball.
Tebow  
Metnut : 7/18/2017 2:49 pm : link
was awful in the NFL but certainly not awful at football. He's an all-time CFB player.
DJ Dozier  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2017 2:49 pm : link
played 4 NFL seasons, hit .303/.386/.496 after not playing college ball ( 24 years old) 15 homers, 10 triples, 16 doubles, 36 steals... BEAST
RE: What Tebow is doing has never been done...  
Chris in Philly : 7/18/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13531224 ZGiants98 said:
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If he keeps this up, it's one of the greatest stories in the history of sports. Jordan didn't come close to putting up the numbers he is currently. Not saying it's going to last but it's been remarkable so far.


RE: Tebow  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13531249 Metnut said:
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was awful in the NFL but certainly not awful at football. He's an all-time CFB player.

True, but being a great college player at one sport and a minor leaguer in another sport I'd hardly consider historic.
RE: Comparing Tebow  
steve in ky : 7/18/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13531243 pjcas18 said:
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to Jordan, Sanders, or Jackson is ridiculous, all three of them were hall-of-famers or would have been in their main/other sport.

Tebow was awful at football and he's 7 years older than league average in his second sport and doing well in it, so while admirable it is hardly something I'd consider historic.

And Jordan never played below AA and was 31 when he switched.

I like Tebow, but I would withhold my hype until he succeeds at a higher level than single A ball.


I wasn't comparing him to Jackson or Sanders. I was pointing out that it certainly has been done better prior to what Tebow is doing.
If he makes the majors  
David in LA : 7/18/2017 2:53 pm : link
I'm going to convert.
Enjoying this, if for no other reason  
Beezer : 7/18/2017 2:55 pm : link
than it pisses off half the people paying attention.
Huh? How is not like Jordan?  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 2:55 pm : link
Tebow is 30 something years old and hasn't played baseball since high school. It's exactly like Jordan. Who cares how good Jordan was at basketball in relation to Tebow in football?? I'm also not talking about athletes who played multiple sports like Deion and Bo Jackson the whole time. I'm referring to leaving a sport in high school, coming back 12-13 years later after sitting on the couch eating potato chips in a career where he was a sportscaster and then performing at a high level like it's nothing. It's incredible. Anybody that can't grasp how amazing this is (and again... not saying it lasts) is completely out to lunch.
Why would you put "undeserving" in quotes?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2017 2:56 pm : link
How else would someone describe his Sally line?
What Tebow is doing has DISNEY movie written all over it.  
NYG27 : 7/18/2017 2:57 pm : link
He doesn't even need to be successful in the Majors, just needs to play at least one game to perfectly end his story for movie purposes.
Jordan started in AA  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 7/18/2017 2:57 pm : link
Show me Tebow in AA and then we'll talk about a Jordan comparison.

On the other hand, Jordan was one of the greatest professional athletes of the 20th century. Not quite as good as Jordan is still pretty damn good.

Or for Tebow, I guess pretty darn good.

You do have to give the man props.
I'm speaking to a human being  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 2:58 pm : link
Playing baseball at a high level after a 12-13 year layoff where he never made it passed high school in the first place. I could be comparing him to an astronoat or a Royal Carribean captain. Makes no difference.

The only person I can think of that came close to doing it was Jordan.
RE: In  
steve in ky : 7/18/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13531241 DanMetroMan said:
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fairness to Jordan he was 31 years old and skipped all the way to AA, not really fair to compare Tebow's line with Jordan's (no knock on Tebow).


True but I think it is fair to say to this point Tebiw has been more sucsesfull in his attempt to trabsition to bb thab Jordan.

Tebow is 29 so close to where Jordan was and just because Tebow was willing to start at the bottom, something I'm guessing Jordan wasn't willing to do, shouldn't count against him. It actually is what likley helped him to this point.
I was using Bo Jackson and  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 2:59 pm : link
Deion Sanders to highlight ZG's massive hyperbole - forgetting completely about Jordan (Michal) and not even mentioning Brian Jordan or others who have done this too - at the same time):

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What Tebow is doing has never been done...
ZGiants98 : 2:37 pm : link : reply
If he keeps this up, it's one of the greatest stories in the history of sports



Bo Jackson was a pro-bowler and an MLB all-star, Deion in in the NFL Hall-of-Fame and 10 year MLB career.

I like Tebow I want him to give the finger to everyone who doubted him, but I'm unclear on what's so historic?

his age? his Heismann? I just think it was a hyperbolic comment.
And yes...  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 2:59 pm : link
That's why I prefaced it with "if he keeps it up" and "not saying he will".
Well it's not Pj  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 3:00 pm : link
And I think I clarified my position.
Football players playing baseball and vice versa  
Stan in LA : 7/18/2017 3:00 pm : link
Is not unusual. But those players trying to play golf is a another story. Step Curry is the latest big ego that thinks he can play pro golf. LOL...
RE: Well it's not Pj  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13531271 ZGiants98 said:
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And I think I clarified my position.


I saw your post after I replied, I still think it's hyperbole, but a great story (if he can finish it) regardless of my opinion on your hyperbole.
Baseball isn't a sport where you can  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 3:04 pm : link
Physically position yourself to excel as a hitter. It's all about hand eye coordination, timing, and rythm. All-Stars and MVPs get out of whack multiple times a season. Your eyes also tend to go south in your 30s which is why a lot of baseball players go south in a hurry. Tebow was at a massive advantage being as old as he was and starting over from scratch.
RE: RE: Well it's not Pj  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13531274 pjcas18 said:
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And I think I clarified my position.



I saw your post after I replied, I still think it's hyperbole, but a great story (if he can finish it) regardless of my opinion on your hyperbole.


How is it hyperbole if not a single other person has ever made a switch that late in their career and excelled? Again, Jordan tried. He is arguably the greatest athlete of all time. And he failed.
RE: RE: RE: Well it's not Pj  
steve in ky : 7/18/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13531280 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13531271 ZGiants98 said:


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And I think I clarified my position.



I saw your post after I replied, I still think it's hyperbole, but a great story (if he can finish it) regardless of my opinion on your hyperbole.



How is it hyperbole if not a single other person has ever made a switch that late in their career and excelled? Again, Jordan tried. He is arguably the greatest athlete of all time. And he failed.


And I think he is also the only one who ever did so with hazel colored eyes. :)
One of the greatest stories in the history of sports?  
B in ALB : 7/18/2017 3:10 pm : link
Pump the brakes a bit.
Regarding Tebow  
Ira : 7/18/2017 3:12 pm : link
I look at it more as entertainment than baseball. If he keeps progressing, I might have to change my mind, but he's got a way to go. That being said, good luck to the kid.
RE: RE: RE: Well it's not Pj  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13531280 ZGiants98 said:
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And I think I clarified my position.



I saw your post after I replied, I still think it's hyperbole, but a great story (if he can finish it) regardless of my opinion on your hyperbole.



How is it hyperbole if not a single other person has ever made a switch that late in their career and excelled? Again, Jordan tried. He is arguably the greatest athlete of all time. And he failed.



It's not relevantly historic because he did not excel at another professional sport and i don't even think it's technically historic because the Dennis Quaid movie had a guy who probably had a longer layoff.

google Jim Morris the guy the movie "the rookie" was about.
And I apologize. Tebow turns 30  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 3:14 pm : link
In 3.5 weeks. Close enough.
nothing like a 20 game sample  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/18/2017 3:14 pm : link
in high A ball at peak strength.
Pitching is completely different than hitting. It's physical  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 3:17 pm : link
If you can throw 100 mph I can see somebody breaking in out of a bullpen although I think that guy only ever had a few innings and yes that story was amazing also anyway.

"Hitting a baseball" is the most difficult thing to do in any sport IMO. This is what we are talking about here.
Z  
steve in ky : 7/18/2017 3:24 pm : link
Just keep narrowing those parameters and you will win this argument yet (grin)
regardless ...  
Csonka : 7/18/2017 3:24 pm : link
Even if this wasn't Tebow, it's a pretty incredible story for ANY 29 year old who hadn't played the sport in a decade to have some level of success in professional baseball.

The Mets got heat for this publicity stunt. Yeah, it sold some tickets and merchandise. But Tebow's proving he was worth the effort. Giving him a shot wasn't crazy, whether he makes it all the way or not. Most drafted guys don't make it. And most drafted guys never see their average over .300 even for a day.
RE: One of the greatest stories in the history of sports?  
Section331 : 7/18/2017 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13531288 B in ALB said:
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Pump the brakes a bit.


It's a great story, but gotta agree with B here. It is not remotely close to the greatest story in the history of sports. I'm sure even Jordan had a hot streak and, as DMM mentions, he did it at a higher level.

If he ends the season with similar numbers, than there is something to talk about.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13531307 steve in ky said:
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Just keep narrowing those parameters and you will win this argument yet (grin)


What parameters? I started off saying what he is doing (if he keeps it up) has never been done and that it would be one of the greatest sports stories ever.

I can't think of a single person who has ever done it after such a layoff (Jordan tried). Last I checked Tebow is a hitter, not a pitcher so common sense should dictate that's what we are referring to here. Seems like it would rank near the top of sports stories if he keeps hitting like he has. Again, don't really understand why people can't grasp the magnitude of how difficult it is to do what he's doing.
RE: RE: One of the greatest stories in the history of sports?  
ZGiants98 : 7/18/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13531313 Section331 said:
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Pump the brakes a bit.



It's a great story, but gotta agree with B here. It is not remotely close to the greatest story in the history of sports. I'm sure even Jordan had a hot streak and, as DMM mentions, he did it at a higher level.

If he ends the season with similar numbers, than there is something to talk about.


Which is exactly what I said. "If he keeps it up"
RE: regardless ...  
steve in ky : 7/18/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13531308 Csonka said:
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Even if this wasn't Tebow, it's a pretty incredible story for ANY 29 year old who hadn't played the sport in a decade to have some level of success in professional baseball.

The Mets got heat for this publicity stunt. Yeah, it sold some tickets and merchandise. But Tebow's proving he was worth the effort. Giving him a shot wasn't crazy, whether he makes it all the way or not. Most drafted guys don't make it. And most drafted guys never see their average over .300 even for a day.


I agree it is a great story and with all the crap Tebow has taken I am happy for him. By all accounts he is a real decent guy.

He has a passion for sports and risked more mockery going for a dream, I'm more impressed that he was willing to start at the bottom to follow that dream when he easily could have landed some type of big money deal somewhere for something other than playing a sport.

I hope he keeps on surprising people.
The Yankees just played in game #91  
Keith : 7/18/2017 3:35 pm : link
on the season. That's a better story than Tebow.

Pfft, Mets.
Yankees  
Csonka : 7/18/2017 3:41 pm : link
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The Yankees just played in game #91
Keith : 3:35 pm : link : reply
on the season. That's a better story than Tebow.

Pfft, Mets.


Well yeah if I was a Yankees fan I'd have Judge, Sanchez and playoffs to think about. But as a Mets fan it's who should we trade away at the deadline, when do we bring up the kids, who's arm hurts ... and Tebow.
cowherd actually had a great take here the other day on Tebow  
mattlawson : 7/18/2017 3:41 pm : link
minor league baseball is EXACTLY where he should be. not taking someones job in the majors, but in minor leagues where it drives family entertainment and is a great story.
This is proof  
LCtheINTMachine : 7/18/2017 3:49 pm : link
that Tebow really shines in Florida. The Jags should have used him years ago.

I wish Tebow all the best when the Mets call him up in September. He's certainly an inspiration to many and his talent cannot be questioned. If he gets bored with baseball, I suggest the Knicks take a look at him as a hustle guy.
All I can say is good luck to him  
Torrag : 7/18/2017 3:49 pm : link
He's a good guy so why would anyone wish him anything but success?
Also  
LCtheINTMachine : 7/18/2017 3:53 pm : link
I think Odell has proven that he could play for the Mets as well but unfortunately, he'll be busy in September!
I hope he keeps crushing  
UConn4523 : 7/18/2017 3:54 pm : link
making the Tebow haters squirm is hilarious
How about Gene Conley?  
scouser : 7/18/2017 4:01 pm : link
He recently passed away. He was a successful basketball player, with the Celtics I believe, and also a successful major league pitcher.
Unlike Tebow who was an ordinary NFL pro at best and now a Class A baseballer? Doesn't do much for me.
Not relevant  
well...bye TC : 7/18/2017 4:09 pm : link
to my life
RE: Bo Jackson or even Dion Sander did more  
Matt M. : 7/18/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13531228 steve in ky said:
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to this point, But I made the Jordan comparison a couple days ago
steve - But, they were playing professional baseball right our of college. Tebow hasn't played organized baseball in several years and doing this. The comparison of Tebow to Jordan is more applicable here than comparing him to Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders.

As an aside, I thought Deion sold his baseball career short because it was almost the hobby sport to him, especially early on. But, part of that was the Yankees fault for rushing him up. Once he was given time to develop, he was a decent baseball player, but not much more.

Bo Jackson also sold himself short. He was more of a raw talent. If he dedicated himself to baseball, he would have had a HoF (or near) career. I'm not sure Deion can say the same.
RE: Comparing Tebow  
Matt M. : 7/18/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13531243 pjcas18 said:
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to Jordan, Sanders, or Jackson is ridiculous, all three of them were hall-of-famers or would have been in their main/other sport.

Tebow was awful at football and he's 7 years older than league average in his second sport and doing well in it, so while admirable it is hardly something I'd consider historic.

And Jordan never played below AA and was 31 when he switched.

I like Tebow, but I would withhold my hype until he succeeds at a higher level than single A ball.
I don't think there is really much hype around him. It is more surprise that he is holding his own in this fashion. The general consensus, myself included, was that he would crash and burn on this. He ahsn't done that, regardless of the circumstances.
Count me in with the group  
B in ALB : 7/18/2017 5:18 pm : link
not getting too excited about a 30 year old playing against some college draft picks and others in the Florida League or whatever.

I'll take a guy like Hakeem Olajuwon who didn't start playing basketball until the age of 15, revolutionized the Center position and became a champion and Hall of Famer. Those types of stories are much more impressive than a fringe NFL-er playing some shortened season baseball against some kids.
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