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from NFL.com Bavaro sold on Engram

antdog24 : 7/18/2017 2:56 pm
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"He's unbelievable," Bavaro told the New York Post of Engram.

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I love Bavaro. Have his ND jersey framed  
superspynyg : 7/18/2017 3:55 pm : link
in my office. If he endorses Engram...then I am on board.
Holy crap!  
Doomster : 7/18/2017 4:01 pm : link
If Engram is HALF AS GOOD as some of the things we are hearing, I'll take it....

I know, I know, we are "gidiefor" the guy.....but can we see him play in pads first?
Bavaro  
antdog24 : 7/18/2017 5:17 pm : link
is my favorite Giants player of all time. LT is a close second.
Same here…  
LadyGiant : 7/18/2017 5:55 pm : link
Mark Bavaro was my secret crush in the 80s… When the SF 49ers play the Giants that Monday night and he dragged the entire Niners defense with Ronnie Lott clamped onto his back it made my heart go pitter pat :-)

To hear his words regarding Evan Engram makes me excited for the beginning of the season!
Sorry, but this means nothing.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/18/2017 6:04 pm : link
Bavaro doesn't even pay attention to football anymore. I heard him interviewed a couple years ago, and he sounded like he hadn't watched an entire NFL game in 10 years.
Fkg  
OC2.0 : 7/18/2017 6:30 pm : link
Sad thing to see on Philly. Blasfemy
RE: Sorry, but this means nothing.  
annexOPR : 7/18/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13531542 Mr. Bungle said:
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Bavaro doesn't even pay attention to football anymore. I heard him interviewed a couple years ago, and he sounded like he hadn't watched an entire NFL game in 10 years.


He saw Engram live in OTAs and was in awe of his size / speed. It's a good thing.
RE: Sorry, but this means nothing.  
Klaatu : 7/18/2017 7:09 pm : link


Really, Mr. Bungle?

Well, what does this mean?

RE: Sorry, but this means nothing.  
jnoble : 7/18/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13531542 Mr. Bungle said:
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Bavaro doesn't even pay attention to football anymore. I heard him interviewed a couple years ago, and he sounded like he hadn't watched an entire NFL game in 10 years.


I think I read an interview with him not long ago where he said something like he doesn't pay attention to the NFL much anymore, has his own thing going.
Does anyone remember what he said about Shockey after he was drafted, if anything?
Mr bungle  
area junc : 7/18/2017 8:05 pm : link
As a great TE himself he knows what it takes. It doesnt matter if he follows the NFL or not.
Even if Bavaro doesn't know what he's talking about whatsoever  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/18/2017 9:16 pm : link
I can't imagine a what need there would be to piss in people's cheerios.
Let's not rush to get on Bungle's case here.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/18/2017 9:21 pm : link
I would love to know WHEN exactly has Bavaro seen this guy? College?
RE: Let's not rush to get on Bungle's case here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/18/2017 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13531708 Big Blue '56 said:
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I would love to know WHEN exactly has Bavaro seen this guy? College?


He's been around the team during the offseason work.
RE: Let's not rush to get on Bungle's case here.  
annexOPR : 7/18/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13531708 Big Blue '56 said:
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I would love to know WHEN exactly has Bavaro seen this guy? College?


is LIVE DURING OTAs sufficient?

It's pretty impressive to turn anything about this comment into a negative ... nicely done BBI
RE: RE: Sorry, but this means nothing.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/19/2017 8:13 am : link
In comment 13531601 jnoble said:
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In comment 13531542 Mr. Bungle said:


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Bavaro doesn't even pay attention to football anymore. I heard him interviewed a couple years ago, and he sounded like he hadn't watched an entire NFL game in 10 years.



I think I read an interview with him not long ago where he said something like he doesn't pay attention to the NFL much anymore, has his own thing going.
Does anyone remember what he said about Shockey after he was drafted, if anything?


I remember since I met him at the game when Parcells returned as coach of Dallas. He was a quiet guy during his career and you're knocking him for being quiet in his post-career?

Only here can people can turn an innocuous quote into a heated debate about its merits.
Good to hear, but I don't put a lot of stock  
ZogZerg : 7/19/2017 8:14 am : link
into what long time ago X NFL players have to say.

Most of us are already excited about Engram.
RE: RE: Let's not rush to get on Bungle's case here.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/19/2017 8:15 am : link
In comment 13531773 annexOPR said:
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In comment 13531708 Big Blue '56 said:


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I would love to know WHEN exactly has Bavaro seen this guy? College?



is LIVE DURING OTAs sufficient?

It's pretty impressive to turn anything about this comment into a negative ... nicely done BBI


Seriously? OTAs? Absolutely not.
RE: RE: RE: Let's not rush to get on Bungle's case here.  
Klaatu : 7/19/2017 8:46 am : link
In comment 13532075 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13531708 Big Blue '56 said:


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I would love to know WHEN exactly has Bavaro seen this guy? College?



is LIVE DURING OTAs sufficient?

It's pretty impressive to turn anything about this comment into a negative ... nicely done BBI



Seriously? OTAs? Absolutely not.


So what if it's just OTAs? It's still a positive. There's no good reason to dismiss what Bavaro said about Engram unless you're just looking for the negative in everything...and even Doomster hasn't been doing that lately.

And actually, what Bavaro said was pretty measured and did include a qualifier:
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"He's unbelievable," Bavaro told the New York Post of Engram. "I don't know what he's going to look like in pads and playing football. But he can move. He can run and he can catch. He's impressive."


So, you can either say, "Gee, that's nice," and take it for what it's worth, or you can say, "Bavaro doesn't even watch football anymore," or "Meh, it's just OTAs," to which I'd reply with GFY.
I take off season otas, minicamps  
Big Blue '56 : 7/19/2017 9:04 am : link
with a huge grain of salt, be it positive or negative..There have been many HOFers to be during the spring or summer..

To me, College play mostly speaks for itself..As will performance in the pros..For the record, I'm quite excited about what Engram is expected to be and am eagerly looking forward to the regular season where the real evaluation of a negative or positive begins..

I don't care what Bavaro or anyone else thinks at THIS POINT IN TIME
Wow, looks like someone's little feelings are hurt.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/19/2017 9:27 am : link
Bavaro reporting that Engram is big, fast, and can catch is nothing we didn't already know. Seeing Engram in person was probably an eye-opener for Bavaro, because tight ends weren't like that in his day. And since Bavaro admittedly doesn't follow the NFL very closely anymore, he probably doesn't fully appreciate how much Engram's mold is the current one for NFL tight ends.

But you probably also got psyched when Simms said, "Watch out for Marvin Austin", because GIANTS LEGEND AT GIANTS PRACTICE SAYS EXCITING THING!!!

That's fine. You tell people to go fuck themselves over trivial disagreements like this, so you obviously have bigger problems.
really some of you guys, this is Mark Bavaro for god sake  
gtt350 : 7/19/2017 11:38 am : link
do you think a top carpenter, plumber, electrian who hasn't done any work in 10 years could not distinguish between excellent or shoddy work!!??

don't be morans

some won't even understand that
RE: Wow, looks like someone's little feelings are hurt.  
Klaatu : 7/19/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13532143 Mr. Bungle said:
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Bavaro reporting that Engram is big, fast, and can catch is nothing we didn't already know. Seeing Engram in person was probably an eye-opener for Bavaro, because tight ends weren't like that in his day. And since Bavaro admittedly doesn't follow the NFL very closely anymore, he probably doesn't fully appreciate how much Engram's mold is the current one for NFL tight ends.

But you probably also got psyched when Simms said, "Watch out for Marvin Austin", because GIANTS LEGEND AT GIANTS PRACTICE SAYS EXCITING THING!!!

That's fine. You tell people to go fuck themselves over trivial disagreements like this, so you obviously have bigger problems.


Yeah, I'm sure Bavaro had no idea what he was talking about when he said, "The way the game is today, you need a big pass-catching tight end, a guy who can run like a wide receiver...That's the way the game is..." He added, "But for some reason they wouldn't get anybody."

Maybe you were one of the folks who swore up and down that the Giants would never draft a tight end in the 1st round, I don't know. But some of us were driving the Engram bandwagon long before the draft, and when the Giants do draft a TE in the 1st round, and it turns out to be the guy you really wanted, and the best TE the Giants ever had looks him over in the spring and says he's impressive, we feel like our faith has been justified, we take it for what it's worth, and we don't appreciate the naysayers who just have to open up with some "too cool for the room" BS about how Bavaro's opinion means very little because you heard him interviewed once.

I tell people to go fuck themselves when they act like douchebags, when they feel compelled, as TTH put it, "to piss in people's cheerios." Seems to me that someone who feels the need to do that is the one with the problems.
I suggest you grow up.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/19/2017 2:33 pm : link
You fucking baby.
RE: I suggest you grow up.  
adamg : 7/19/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13532561 Mr. Bungle said:
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You fucking baby.


You're just way out of line at this point.
I've been very excited about Engram  
Dr. D : 7/19/2017 3:26 pm : link
since the draft, based on what I've seen and read. To hear, probably our GOAT TE, say he's impressed, what the flock is not to like? Sure he hasn't had pads on yet for the Giants, but he looked pretty freaking impressive in them for Ole Miss. F*ck yeah I'm psyched!
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Mr. Bungle : 7/19/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13532589 adamg said:
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You're just way out of line at this point.

No, I'm not. The guy who posted the middle finger and then "GFY" because he encountered an opinion he didn't like is the one who's way out of line.

You've got to be kidding with your post.

Giants would be wise to bring Bavaro in during training camp.....  
Bluenatic : 7/19/2017 3:42 pm : link
.... and get him in that TE room to show those kids a thing or two about blocking from the position.
RE: I suggest you grow up.  
Klaatu : 7/19/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13532561 Mr. Bungle said:
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You fucking baby.


Oh, you cut me to the quick...to the fast, even!

Dick.
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annexOPR : 7/19/2017 7:43 pm : link
"One of Giants best TEs in history offers praise to rookie playing same position"

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"adults, who happen to like the same team, hide behind keyboards calling eachother names"

Great job BBI. Very impressive.
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adamg : 7/19/2017 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13532805 annexOPR said:
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"One of Giants best TEs in history offers praise to rookie playing same position"

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"adults, who happen to like the same team, hide behind keyboards calling eachother names"

Great job BBI. Very impressive.


It really is crazy how low this thread has gotten.
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chopperhatch : 7/19/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13532807 adamg said:
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"One of Giants best TEs in history offers praise to rookie playing same position"

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"adults, who happen to like the same team, hide behind keyboards calling eachother names"

Great job BBI. Very impressive.



It really is crazy how low this thread has gotten.


Screw you adam you cock weasel.
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adamg : 7/19/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13532819 chopperhatch said:
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"One of Giants best TEs in history offers praise to rookie playing same position"

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"adults, who happen to like the same team, hide behind keyboards calling eachother names"

Great job BBI. Very impressive.



It really is crazy how low this thread has gotten.



Screw you adam you cock weasel.


Thanks for not calling me back after our night of glory, you douchebag.
Only BBI could take the most offseason of offseason comments  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/19/2017 9:43 pm : link
and turn it into a shitstorm.

Even if Mark Bavaro never actually saw him play even in OTAs, I still don't get the "Don't get too excited" fun police telling you to pump the brakes in July.
I'm going to go ahead and  
B in ALB : 7/19/2017 9:52 pm : link
take the word of some anonymous mouthbreathing keyboard tough guy slob over one of the best TEs of all time when it comes to football. That's my choice and I'm sticking with it.

OTAs. Pffft. It's basically a bunch of guys playing catch in their backyard. Might as well have stayed home and posted on BBI.
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 10:09 pm : link
Well, this thread certainly degenerated into a pile of rotting feces rather quickly.

Nice job, fellas!
He runs like a WR  
KWALL2 : 7/19/2017 11:00 pm : link
With excellent hands. Plays TE. There's an easy way to use his skills. It's easy to see it will work in the NFL especially after watching him on a field with NFL players.

Bacardi mentioned there is a trend toward pass catching and more speed at TE. Then mentioned Giants haven't had one. He's right. Now we do and he likes what he sees.

What's the problem here?
RE: I'm going to go ahead and  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 12:03 am : link
In comment 13532904 B in ALB said:
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take the word of some anonymous mouthbreathing keyboard tough guy slob over one of the best TEs of all time when it comes to football. That's my choice and I'm sticking with it.

OTAs. Pffft. It's basically a bunch of guys playing catch in their backyard. Might as well have stayed home and posted on BBI.


People are going to have to decide whether or not OTA's are important, or if there's nothing to see here. If there's nothing to see here, then some people look like asses for getting their knickers in a bunch over OBJ missing OTA's.
I'm not putting too much weight in anything  
NoGainDayne : 7/20/2017 12:12 am : link
before the regular season. That being said, this isn't John Gruden here, I don't recall Bavaro making a comment on a Giants player so for him to come out and say this means something to me. The fact that it's his position means more. Bavaro even says we have to wait and see what he looks like in pads but hard to not get a little excited about Engram with everything we area hearing.
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chopperhatch : 7/20/2017 12:19 am : link
In comment 13532821 adamg said:
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In comment 13532805 annexOPR said:


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"One of Giants best TEs in history offers praise to rookie playing same position"

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"adults, who happen to like the same team, hide behind keyboards calling eachother names"

Great job BBI. Very impressive.



It really is crazy how low this thread has gotten.



Screw you adam you cock weasel.



Thanks for not calling me back after our night of glory, you douchebag.


Ugggggh, you took it there.

It's not you it's me?
Let me be very clear here:  
Big Blue '56 : 7/20/2017 7:34 am : link
Bavaro, to me, is a HOFer, albeit his career was cut short..He's one of the top 5 TEs I've ever seen..Seeing him in an Eagles' uni was painful..

That said, if his evaluation is based on following his College career, I sit up and take notice, though, until he steps foot on a professional field when they start playing for real, we won't quite know.

If his evaluation is based on pitch and catch, sorry, I'll take it with a grain pf salt. Again, many players have looked like the "real deal" during OTAs and minicamps and oft times display the requisite talent ("he has all the tools" mantra) during those workouts..

So to those who have asked, "what's the problem here," there is NO PROBLEM. We're simply taking a wait and see posture given how often we've been fooled by talent that didn't quite live up to the hype when the bullets started flying for REAL.

On paper, I'm extremely excited about what this kid could bring to our O..
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annexOPR : 7/20/2017 8:23 am : link
the Giants have a "tight end" who, from an athleticism stand point, is on par with AJ Green, Julio Jones, Sammy Watkins, etc. - and in some cases, superior to those players.

we have every reason to be excited about his potential this year - especially at a position of "need".

if he's anywhere near hernandez/reed - he's more athletic than those "matchup nightmares" - this offense will be unstoppable.

these are good things.
i'd be shocked if engram isn't at least a solid receiving TE  
djm : 7/20/2017 12:05 pm : link
he's got the chops and comes from a good football factory in ole miss. He fills a need and will get good to great coaching. Engram will at least be a solid contributing player here. If you believe the hype from Mara Tech he will be pretty damn good. They don't usually gush over young players unless it's legit.
bb56  
djm : 7/20/2017 12:13 pm : link
don't get me started on BAvaro's HOF chances. Terrell Davis makes it but Bavaro doesn't???

Fuck Canton. Davis didn't have too short a career but Bavaro did...

Here's a trivia question:

Which two players were the best offensive players on a two time super bowl winning team. One of the two was labeled as THE BEST EVER by multiple reputable people. Both had careers cut short due to injury. The one that DIDN'T make Canton actually played longer. That same one literally re-defined the TE position.

Such horse shit. Bronco anti NY horse shit.
I am hopeful, but I'll reserve any comments until the pads go on  
PatersonPlank : 7/20/2017 12:14 pm : link
Lots of players look good before the hitting starts, at TE especially. Not only does he need to be able to catch and run, but he has to be able to hit, block, and be hit too.
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annexOPR : 7/20/2017 12:15 pm : link
assuming he doesn't develop stone hands under the the NFL spotlight, his mere prescience on the field should boost the offense.

how do you cover Beckham, Marshall, Shepard ...
and this guy - ( New Window )
ridiculously impressive  
gtt350 : 7/20/2017 12:41 pm : link
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BB56  
KWALL2 : 7/20/2017 2:22 pm : link
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I don't care what Bavaro or anyone else thinks at THIS POINT IN TIME


Looks to me like you have a misplaced problem here.

Seeing a TE move like Engram can be seen and evaluates without pads on. The game is moving more towards flag football. If Bavaro noticed a TE moving at a pace that impressed him I'd say that is worthy of at little fan excitement in July.
RE: BB56  
Big Blue '56 : 7/20/2017 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13533533 KWALL2 said:
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I don't care what Bavaro or anyone else thinks at THIS POINT IN TIME



Looks to me like you have a misplaced problem here.

Seeing a TE move like Engram can be seen and evaluates without pads on. The game is moving more towards flag football. If Bavaro noticed a TE moving at a pace that impressed him I'd say that is worthy of at little fan excitement in July.


Strongly disagree
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annexOPR : 7/20/2017 2:40 pm : link
how can anyone possibly turn this into a negative?

it really is impressive. sad, but impressive.

"I'll believe it when I see it on the field" - cool fan tough guy.
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