Todd is an imperfect but solid hitter. Low BA, but good OBP differential and big SLG. On his worst day, he should be about a 50 point OPS improvement over Headley.
He is unlikely to get any new contract from NYY. If he does, it will be a one year deal at a very manageable number to play a platoon role. More likely that they don't sign him, IMO.
As much as I dislike him, I think there is a very good chance Todd Frazier resigns with the Yanks. He's a lifelong Yankee fan, is supposedly a great clubhouse guy and is at least a decent right handed bat that can play 3rd and 1st. And Holliday is likely gone so I can absolutely see Frazier filling that veteran role beyond this year.
I wouldn't pull my hair out about it as long as Headley is moved and they only sign him for a year.
Though at this point, they need a lefty bat significantly more than righty. How times have changed.
The thing that worries me is he'd best suited to a bench power bat / platoon-against-lefties guy. But he's exactly the type of guy that Girardi will get attached to and trot out there 8 games out of 10.
A good buddy of mine is a season ticket holder for the Reds. He says Fraziers biggest strength is hitting the ball the other way. Cincinnati has a short right field just like YS and he says that's how Frazier had so much success in Cincy. Chicago is a much bigger right field. So maybe, just maybe...
Giving up any prospects, I have been clear about that. But Frazier is getting an unfair rap on this thread by some. He is hitting the ball hard at close to the same rate he always has, so he is having one of those unlucky seasons, I would not be surprised t all if this trade sparks his return to prominence, this is a class act guy, and someone to cheer for, let's not get stupid here. He was not great last season, but still hit 41 bombs. I think Todd can easily be a .250 hitter with 30-35 homers for the Yanks, and that is not a bad player when you consider he has a good glove. So take it easy on knocking Frazier before you make yourself out to be an idiot. he is going to help a lot more then what people think.
People are fooling themselves if they think he's replacing Headley
A good buddy of mine is a season ticket holder for the Reds. He says Fraziers biggest strength is hitting the ball the other way. Cincinnati has a short right field just like YS and he says that's how Frazier had so much success in Cincy. Chicago is a much bigger right field. So maybe, just maybe...
Trying to sell myself on this!
Oh its real. Go check out his splits. He's been a better road hitter both seasons he's been on the White Sox and a better home hitter when he played in Cinci. It's not just this season.
Frazier has been so up and down. His June was great the rest of the year, lousy. DRob is a good return addition and if Kahnle is not a half season mirage, he could be the best asset we get in this deal.
Frazier will absolutely be the full time third baseman if he hits and Headley doesn't, there is now competition, and to think this means that Cooper is not playing, that is also wrong, they will all get time and the players that perform the best will continue to play, maybe all of them will play at a high level now, then joe will platoon them all. This is not a deal that sets anything in stone, this will unfold as the season progresses, and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. The Yanks want to win, and the best players will play.
RE: If true, this is a heck of a troll job by Frazier.
Cooper and Choi will compete for playing time(I like Coopers swing!). Ellsbury as a 4th OF and Torreyes as a utility. That's a championship caliber lineup for sure.
RE: RE: If true, this is a heck of a troll job by Frazier.
Even if he tears up the minors, Rutherford won't make it to the bigs for at least 2 years. By that time - in 2019, if Brett Gardner leaves as a free agent, our under contract OFs ahead of Rutherford would still be:
Judge
Hicks
Frazier
Fowler
Ellsbury
Florial
Keep in mind - Mateo may be converted to outfield.
By 2019, we'd also have had our chance at making another trade or courting free agents like Bryce Harper, Charlie Blackmon, Lonnie Chisenhall, or AJ Pollock, and the list goes on.
Oh by the way, since being called up to AAA earlier this year - Jake Cave is hitting .349 with 8 homers in 29 games, and Billy McKinney is hitting .352 with 4 homers in 14 games.
What else could we have gotten for Rutherford. Our system is stacked, but rutherford is a legit prospect. That being said, if you don't think the Yankees did their due diligence and tested his value around the league, you are nuts.
RE: RE: If the Yankees decide to trade Betances in the offseason,
they can probably get a prospect as good as, if not better than Rutherford, no?
Yep and it seems very plausible.
I would bet that the Yanks are already in discussions on what they could get for Betances and instead of a high end prospect, they are probably thinking along the lines of starting pitcher....not only because that is a need, but because they already have more prospects than they can keep.
We are loaded with prospects and after this last draft, are also loaded with a ton of pitching prospects - some who will become MLB pitchers (Kap, Sheffield, Adams, Abreu, Acavedo, Tate, this year's 1st rounder Schmidt, etc). This trade yesterday indicates they are going for it now, not later. We already made the prospect haul last year. Now what is needed is a reliable SP to spell time until a couple of the youngsters are ready to prove themselves in the bigs.
Regardless, I think Betances is probably on shaky ground with the Yanks as his role just got reduced and he's been too erratic lately. There's also a little bit of bad blood between him and the front office after last year's arbitration battle in which Delin thought he should get "closer" money, but instead got paid like a setup guy that he is.
Betances has a bad couple of weeks, so let's trade him because now they have Tommy Kahnle, who was practically the definition of replacement level until this season?
Also, if you have so little faith that Betances will get back on track, why on earth would another team want him as the centerpiece of a deal for a starter?
Betances has a bad couple of weeks, so let's trade him because now they have Tommy Kahnle, who was practically the definition of replacement level until this season?
Also, if you have so little faith that Betances will get back on track, why on earth would another team want him as the centerpiece of a deal for a starter?
I am 100% against trading Betances, but the Yankees being a bit down on him has no bearing on what other teams may think. I'm sure the Yanks wouldn't be calling teams up saying "hey, we are fed up with Betances, how about you give us your ace for him"! There could certainly be a process in negotiations where they would at some point float his name out there, and see where it goes.
But again, trading Betances now after solidifying the pen wouldn't make any sense.
RE: RE: If true, this is a heck of a troll job by Frazier.
When Frazier came up I was hoping that he would choose #77, so that he could complement #99 in the outfield. It's a lot sexier than #30.
Saw a comment somewhere (maybe even on this thread, but too lazy to backtrack to see where I read it) that Frazier said that his choice of #77 had nothing to do with Mantle...so one can assume that the number change to #77 is happening.
Betances has a bad couple of weeks, so let's trade him because now they have Tommy Kahnle, who was practically the definition of replacement level until this season?
Also, if you have so little faith that Betances will get back on track, why on earth would another team want him as the centerpiece of a deal for a starter?
Your argument is simultaneously premised upon: (1) Todd Frazier sucking this season; and (2) Kahnle only being good this season. You see how that might be a tad inconsistent?
It's not that they traded Rutherford, it's what they traded him for.
I understand your frustration and I completely agree. The Yankees have the deepest collection of OF prospects in baseball but just because you are dealing with a surplus doesn't mean the return should be lower. I know Rutherford is at least 2 years away but I am still very surprised that they traded him for this package. Now had he been the centerpiece for Gray and Alonso then that would have made more sense to me.
Your argument is simultaneously premised upon: (1) Todd Frazier sucking this season; and (2) Kahnle only being good this season. You see how that might be a tad inconsistent?
Todd Frazier wasn't particularly good last season, either, despite the 40 homers. Guy has had a sub-.310 OBP since 2014. His career OBP is .318.
Yanks have an open spot on 25 man & 40 man roster now
1- Not sure why people are analyzing Frazier so much. He's not the main part of the deal. He's just a stopgap for a team where their 1B have a combined OPS that's second to last in the MLB. Is Frazier a stud? No, but his OPS is 100 bps higher already despite his struggles. Frazier WAR this year is +1.8. Yankee combined WAR between Bird, Austin, Choi, Carter, and Cooper is NEGATIVE 1.3 this year. That's a huge jump. As long as he continues his current pace, he'll be better than what the Yankees have been putting out there. He'll be gone next year anyway.
2- Kahnle is definitely having a breakout year so while that may be frightening, he has slowly been on an upward trajectory last few years and is still young. In other words, it's not that crazy that a young guy just got better and is now finally putting it together. Having him cost controlled next few years is huge
3- Robertson is signed until next year and is having a pretty sensational season. WHIP below 1. 9+ K/9 innings and ERA below 2.50. This will help a lot.
4- By having a strong BP, Green or Warren could move to the rotation. Yankees would then kill multiple birds with one stone.
5- Really sucks losing Rutherford, but Yankees have multiple young OF ahead of him in the minors right now. Plus, if Rutherford can't play center, that limits his ability to impact the Yankees even more.
I get why people are concerned but a lot of overreaction.
Maybe I'm missing something. They DFAd Chou and Refsnyder and sent Shreveport down. That's 3 guys. They are adding the 3 from the trade. Where's the open spot?
Jack Curry to be right, but I don't know how there's an opening on the 25 man roster. The lose Clippard, Shrieve & Choi from the 25 (Refs I don't believe was on the 25 going into yesterday) and they gain the 3 White Sox. But as far as I can tell Refs wasn't on the 25 yesterday, but Jack Curry normally is right on these things.
Maybe I'm missing something. They DFAd Chou and Refsnyder and sent Shreveport down. That's 3 guys. They are adding the 3 from the trade. Where's the open spot?
Yes - it was for the purpose of money management going both ways as the Yanks added to their salary base and trading Clippard moves money off the books
Around noon local time. Girardi believes that all 3 are available to him today, and doesn't sound like Chapman is available. So my guess is DRob is closer today.
He is unlikely to get any new contract from NYY. If he does, it will be a one year deal at a very manageable number to play a platoon role. More likely that they don't sign him, IMO.
As much as I dislike him, I think there is a very good chance Todd Frazier resigns with the Yanks. He's a lifelong Yankee fan, is supposedly a great clubhouse guy and is at least a decent right handed bat that can play 3rd and 1st. And Holliday is likely gone so I can absolutely see Frazier filling that veteran role beyond this year.
Though at this point, they need a lefty bat significantly more than righty. How times have changed.
The thing that worries me is he'd best suited to a bench power bat / platoon-against-lefties guy. But he's exactly the type of guy that Girardi will get attached to and trot out there 8 games out of 10.
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Trying to sell myself on this!
Trying to sell myself on this!
Oh its real. Go check out his splits. He's been a better road hitter both seasons he's been on the White Sox and a better home hitter when he played in Cinci. It's not just this season.
2016, 2017(ChiSox)-much better road hitter
There's a uniform No. 77 hanging in Clint Frazier's locker. Guess David Robertson got his old No. 30 back. #Yankees
Yep, I agree - I'm guessing Headley 3B / Frazier 1B vs lefties, and Frazier / Cooper vs righties for the rest of this season.
My comment about moving Headley was off-season hypothetical about appetite to keep Frazier beyond this year.
That is a good summary. I'm fine with this trade for the reasons in there.
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Bryan HochVerified account @BryanHoch 8m8 minutes ago
There's a uniform No. 77 hanging in Clint Frazier's locker. Guess David Robertson got his old No. 30 back. #Yankees
Mantle: 7 & Maris: 9 - Frazier: 77 & Judge: 99? lol
Hicks-CF
Judge-RF
Sanchez-C
Holliday-DH
Castro-2B
Didi-SS
Frazier-1B
Headley-3B
Cooper and Choi will compete for playing time(I like Coopers swing!). Ellsbury as a 4th OF and Torreyes as a utility. That's a championship caliber lineup for sure.
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Bryan HochVerified account @BryanHoch 8m8 minutes ago
There's a uniform No. 77 hanging in Clint Frazier's locker. Guess David Robertson got his old No. 30 back. #Yankees
Mantle: 7 & Maris: 9 - Frazier: 77 & Judge: 99? lol
Gardner 11
Ellsbury 22,
Frazier 77,
Judge 99
lol.
Yep and it seems very plausible.
Even if he tears up the minors, Rutherford won't make it to the bigs for at least 2 years. By that time - in 2019, if Brett Gardner leaves as a free agent, our under contract OFs ahead of Rutherford would still be:
Judge
Hicks
Frazier
Fowler
Ellsbury
Florial
Keep in mind - Mateo may be converted to outfield.
By 2019, we'd also have had our chance at making another trade or courting free agents like Bryce Harper, Charlie Blackmon, Lonnie Chisenhall, or AJ Pollock, and the list goes on.
Oh by the way, since being called up to AAA earlier this year - Jake Cave is hitting .349 with 8 homers in 29 games, and Billy McKinney is hitting .352 with 4 homers in 14 games.
they can probably get a prospect as good as, if not better than Rutherford, no?
Yep and it seems very plausible.
I would bet that the Yanks are already in discussions on what they could get for Betances and instead of a high end prospect, they are probably thinking along the lines of starting pitcher....not only because that is a need, but because they already have more prospects than they can keep.
We are loaded with prospects and after this last draft, are also loaded with a ton of pitching prospects - some who will become MLB pitchers (Kap, Sheffield, Adams, Abreu, Acavedo, Tate, this year's 1st rounder Schmidt, etc). This trade yesterday indicates they are going for it now, not later. We already made the prospect haul last year. Now what is needed is a reliable SP to spell time until a couple of the youngsters are ready to prove themselves in the bigs.
Regardless, I think Betances is probably on shaky ground with the Yanks as his role just got reduced and he's been too erratic lately. There's also a little bit of bad blood between him and the front office after last year's arbitration battle in which Delin thought he should get "closer" money, but instead got paid like a setup guy that he is.
Also, if you have so little faith that Betances will get back on track, why on earth would another team want him as the centerpiece of a deal for a starter?
Also, if you have so little faith that Betances will get back on track, why on earth would another team want him as the centerpiece of a deal for a starter?
I am 100% against trading Betances, but the Yankees being a bit down on him has no bearing on what other teams may think. I'm sure the Yanks wouldn't be calling teams up saying "hey, we are fed up with Betances, how about you give us your ace for him"! There could certainly be a process in negotiations where they would at some point float his name out there, and see where it goes.
But again, trading Betances now after solidifying the pen wouldn't make any sense.
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Bryan HochVerified account @BryanHoch 8m8 minutes ago
There's a uniform No. 77 hanging in Clint Frazier's locker. Guess David Robertson got his old No. 30 back. #Yankees
Mantle: 7 & Maris: 9 - Frazier: 77 & Judge: 99? lol
When Frazier came up I was hoping that he would choose #77, so that he could complement #99 in the outfield. It's a lot sexier than #30.
Saw a comment somewhere (maybe even on this thread, but too lazy to backtrack to see where I read it) that Frazier said that his choice of #77 had nothing to do with Mantle...so one can assume that the number change to #77 is happening.
Also, if you have so little faith that Betances will get back on track, why on earth would another team want him as the centerpiece of a deal for a starter?
Your argument is simultaneously premised upon: (1) Todd Frazier sucking this season; and (2) Kahnle only being good this season. You see how that might be a tad inconsistent?
I understand your frustration and I completely agree. The Yankees have the deepest collection of OF prospects in baseball but just because you are dealing with a surplus doesn't mean the return should be lower. I know Rutherford is at least 2 years away but I am still very surprised that they traded him for this package. Now had he been the centerpiece for Gray and Alonso then that would have made more sense to me.
Todd Frazier wasn't particularly good last season, either, despite the 40 homers. Guy has had a sub-.310 OBP since 2014. His career OBP is .318.
2- Kahnle is definitely having a breakout year so while that may be frightening, he has slowly been on an upward trajectory last few years and is still young. In other words, it's not that crazy that a young guy just got better and is now finally putting it together. Having him cost controlled next few years is huge
3- Robertson is signed until next year and is having a pretty sensational season. WHIP below 1. 9+ K/9 innings and ERA below 2.50. This will help a lot.
4- By having a strong BP, Green or Warren could move to the rotation. Yankees would then kill multiple birds with one stone.
5- Really sucks losing Rutherford, but Yankees have multiple young OF ahead of him in the minors right now. Plus, if Rutherford can't play center, that limits his ability to impact the Yankees even more.
I get why people are concerned but a lot of overreaction.
I think they were 2 over on the 40.
And they are directly adding 3 guys to the 25, subtracting Clippard, Shreve, Choi. Was Ref currently on the 25 before this move?
Maybe I'm missing something. They DFAd Chou and Refsnyder and sent Shreveport down. That's 3 guys. They are adding the 3 from the trade. Where's the open spot?
You may be right. Forgot about the Clip joint
Thanks for sharing the info.
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Wonder if Chance Adams is getting the call...
Maybe I'm missing something. They DFAd Chou and Refsnyder and sent Shreveport down. That's 3 guys. They are adding the 3 from the trade. Where's the open spot?
Clipboard was included in the trade?
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100% positive but Jack Curry is reporting open spot on 25 and open spot on 40.
You may be right. Forgot about the Clip joint
Didn't see the new posts. <3
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