Danny Ainge talked about that with the Celtics - teams try to fleece you when you have a surplus of assets. You can't put Rutherford in a package for something better than this slop?
would. But I just hate going back to the philosophy of acquiring overpaid, underperforming veterans.
We are not ready to compete. Hang on to the prospects. Why reverse course now?
Exactly! These three are not moving the needle one millimeter. They are not winning the World Series because they acquired these three. They are not game changers. And in Fraziers case, he's absolutely dreadful. And he's gone after this season anyways. Come on Cashman.
We all knew they would trade one of Frazier or Rutherford
poor trade by the Yankees. Going for it this year is fucking stupid. Rutherford should have been untouchable, and they traded him and didn't get a stud player back.
In any case, trading Rutherford isn t what's aggravating
poor trade by the Yankees. Going for it this year is fucking stupid. Rutherford should have been untouchable, and they traded him and didn't get a stud player back.
Todd fucking Frazier. Just think about that for a second. Oh, and a RP that they decided wasn't worth resigning just a couple of years ago. I guess they should have just resigned him, huh?
funny is everyone keeps talking about Frazier & Robertson on this board, Mark Fiensand keeps saying the guy who drove up the price is Tommy Kanlhe; Frazier amounts to just a throw in along with the two real pieces of the relief pitchers. But then you take a step back and say, the Yankees just sent away two of their top prospects for MIDDLE relief pitching? Yeesh, and thats with Betances & Chapman already on the roster locked up.
Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.
you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.
The Yankees absolutely stole him. Rutherford was considered the top pick (or at worst, in the top 3 picks) of the entire draft last year, but he was going to college and nothing could stop him so all the teams drafting in front of the Yanks passed on him because he wouldn't sign anyway. But when his favorite team since a little kid - the Yankees - drafted him anyway, he chose to forego college.
He's going to be a 5-tool player and a lefty to boot. Enough speed to play CF and steal 20-30 bases a year with a bazooka arm. The kid is going to be a star. I just wish it was going to be with the Yankees. Heartbreaking!
one is a FA after this year. One is a FA after 2018. One is under team control for 3 more years. How is that going for it this year? I've never seen Rutherford play. I've read lots of glowing reports so maybe they'll regret this. But the Yankees are loaded with young OF's. They can't keep all of them. They're going to keep Girardi as mgr that's for sure and there is no chance to win without a LOADED bullpen the way he manages. So on the surface this makes sense to me.
At least Alonso is actually playing well this year
Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.
you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.
The Yankees absolutely stole him. Rutherford was considered the top pick (or at worst, in the top 3 picks) of the entire draft last year, but he was going to college and nothing could stop him so all the teams drafting in front of the Yanks passed on him because he wouldn't sign anyway. But when his favorite team since a little kid - the Yankees - drafted him anyway, he chose to forego college.
He's going to be a 5-tool player and a lefty to boot. Enough speed to play CF and steal 20-30 bases a year with a bazooka arm. The kid is going to be a star. I just wish it was going to be with the Yankees. Heartbreaking!
That isn't accurate. Rutherford fell because of his bonus demands and the fact that he was a 19 year old HS senior. He never said he wouldn't sign with any team other than the Yankees.
Why is Cash behaving like his job depends on the Yanks
Shocked it was resolved this way. Frazier and Judge are entrenched in the corners, and centerfield should be interesting - Gardner, Ellsbury, Hicks and Fowler battle in the short term until Florial comes knocking.
Trade from strength. Helps now and later. Confirms faith in Bird. You have to give to get, and an A ball outfielder when you have a glut of outfielders is what you do...
You get a closer, the guy who was goimg to be the repkacement closer and a 35 HR bat that can play two positions, (and the comparisons to Carter are ridiculous) both of desperate need and you are moanong about an A ball kid.
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
Trade from strength. Helps now and later. Confirms faith in Bird. You have to give to get, and an A ball outfielder when you have a glut of outfielders is what you do...
That's all fine - two middle relievers and a shitty lumberjack rental is a lousy way to relieve that glut of OFs.
Shocked it was resolved this way. Frazier and Judge are entrenched in the corners, and centerfield should be interesting - Gardner, Ellsbury, Hicks and Fowler battle in the short term until Florial comes knocking.
It's always helpful to have guys waiting in the wings. Injuries happen, careers take downturns...you just never know when you're gonna need another good young position player. Trading a top prospect for rentals isn't ideal, imo.
this deal sucks. Trading top prospects for a 31 year old 3b hitting .216 and a 32-year old reliever. How is this better than what we have. These guys are spare parts for the short term, and certainly not missing pieces. WTF is Cash thinking?
You get a closer, the guy who was goimg to be the repkacement closer and a 35 HR bat that can play two positions, (and the comparisons to Carter are ridiculous) both of desperate need and you are moanong about an A ball kid.
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
Excellent post.
I believe chappy has a no trade clause for years 1-3 if I'm not mistaken tho
RE: I'd be quite disappointed to give up Rutherford.
this deal sucks. Trading top prospects for a 31 year old 3b hitting .216 and a 32-year old reliever. How is this better than what we have. These guys are spare parts for the short term, and certainly not missing pieces. WTF is Cash thinking?
He's thinking he wants to make the playoffs
Severino
Cc
Monty
Those 3 can pitch in the postseason. They only need 6 innings.. or 5.
Why on Earth would we trade Blake Rutherford for these
guys? This seems diametrically opposed to the moves Cashman was making last year... not taking the long view of this situation.
I like D-Rob and Kahnle has been good, but I don't like Todd Frazier AT ALL. I'm not even against trading Blake in general, but I would really prefer to not be aggressive this season. And if we are, get YOUNG players in return.
We are not ready to compete. Hang on to the prospects. Why reverse course now?
Our bullpen will now be STACKED
GRADE A: Chapman, Betances, Robertson
Grade B: Green
Grade C: Warren, New Guy, whoever else
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Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.
you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.
Better some kid in A ball with some promise than a pile of shit like Frazier.
We are not ready to compete. Hang on to the prospects. Why reverse course now?
Exactly! These three are not moving the needle one millimeter. They are not winning the World Series because they acquired these three. They are not game changers. And in Fraziers case, he's absolutely dreadful. And he's gone after this season anyways. Come on Cashman.
But I think we all hoped one of them would be part of a deal for a front end SP, not spare parts
Moncada has been playing 2nd all season
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Moncada has been playing 2nd all season
Since the White Sox traded Frazier won't they be calling him up?
Did the trade go through?
Can never have too many elite relief pitchers.
We will have him next season also. #Big3
Our bullpen will now be STACKED
GRADE A: Chapman, Betances, Robertson
Grade B: Green
Grade C: Warren, New Guy, whoever else
Warren is much better than C. He is over Green at this point.
Todd fucking Frazier. Just think about that for a second. Oh, and a RP that they decided wasn't worth resigning just a couple of years ago. I guess they should have just resigned him, huh?
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Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.
you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.
The Yankees absolutely stole him. Rutherford was considered the top pick (or at worst, in the top 3 picks) of the entire draft last year, but he was going to college and nothing could stop him so all the teams drafting in front of the Yanks passed on him because he wouldn't sign anyway. But when his favorite team since a little kid - the Yankees - drafted him anyway, he chose to forego college.
He's going to be a 5-tool player and a lefty to boot. Enough speed to play CF and steal 20-30 bases a year with a bazooka arm. The kid is going to be a star. I just wish it was going to be with the Yankees. Heartbreaking!
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Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.
you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.
The Yankees absolutely stole him. Rutherford was considered the top pick (or at worst, in the top 3 picks) of the entire draft last year, but he was going to college and nothing could stop him so all the teams drafting in front of the Yanks passed on him because he wouldn't sign anyway. But when his favorite team since a little kid - the Yankees - drafted him anyway, he chose to forego college.
He's going to be a 5-tool player and a lefty to boot. Enough speed to play CF and steal 20-30 bases a year with a bazooka arm. The kid is going to be a star. I just wish it was going to be with the Yankees. Heartbreaking!
That isn't accurate. Rutherford fell because of his bonus demands and the fact that he was a 19 year old HS senior. He never said he wouldn't sign with any team other than the Yankees.
I know we haven't traded away propsects we regret, but it's too early to give up on Rutherford now.
We have enough B prospects to get this type of return from other teams. White Sox is really cleaning up on these trades.
Too soon for Tyler Clippard appreciation thread?
The bullpen has been a real problem. For all we know, Chapman is burned out for this year and burning him a second jepordizes him for awhile.
Betances maybe a head case given his unhappiness with arbitration.
Getting a good relief pitcher before other teams know you really do need one badly is a very smart move.
Getting a MLB proven RP for a guy who is a prospect 3 years away from fitting into a crowded OF ? One who you might lose in Rule 5?
If this is a real trade...I don't think it is so once sided or stupid at all
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
That's all fine - two middle relievers and a shitty lumberjack rental is a lousy way to relieve that glut of OFs.
It's always helpful to have guys waiting in the wings. Injuries happen, careers take downturns...you just never know when you're gonna need another good young position player. Trading a top prospect for rentals isn't ideal, imo.
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
Excellent post.
I believe chappy has a no trade clause for years 1-3 if I'm not mistaken tho
You rockin the crotchless jobs tonight?
Sexxxxyyyyy, sexy.
He's thinking he wants to make the playoffs
Severino
Cc
Monty
Those 3 can pitch in the postseason. They only need 6 innings.. or 5.
I like D-Rob and Kahnle has been good, but I don't like Todd Frazier AT ALL. I'm not even against trading Blake in general, but I would really prefer to not be aggressive this season. And if we are, get YOUNG players in return.