for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Yankees about to land Frazier and Robertson from Chicago

DennyInDenville : 7/18/2017 8:52 pm
Heyman on twitter says they are close
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Rutherford probably didn't progress the way they thought he  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/18/2017 10:18 pm : link
would. But I just hate going back to the philosophy of acquiring overpaid, underperforming veterans.

We are not ready to compete. Hang on to the prospects. Why reverse course now?
Watch Kahnle go back to being shitty again now  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
.
The bullpen has blown enough leads to justify adding relief help  
DennyInDenville : 7/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
The Scranton shuttle has been insane

Our bullpen will now be STACKED

GRADE A: Chapman, Betances, Robertson

Grade B: Green

Grade C: Warren, New Guy, whoever else
RE: I would be legitimately stunned at this  
HomerJones45 : 7/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13531783 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.
you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.
You still have to get proper value.  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2017 10:21 pm : link
Danny Ainge talked about that with the Celtics - teams try to fleece you when you have a surplus of assets. You can't put Rutherford in a package for something better than this slop?
Is it time  
Mr. Nickels : 7/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
to add Yoan Moncada in fantasy??
RE: RE: I would be legitimately stunned at this  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13531807 HomerJones45 said:
Quote:
In comment 13531783 Greg from LI said:


Quote:


Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.

you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.


Better some kid in A ball with some promise than a pile of shit like Frazier.
RE: Rutherford probably didn't progress the way they thought he  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13531800 Jim in Hoboken said:
Quote:
would. But I just hate going back to the philosophy of acquiring overpaid, underperforming veterans.

We are not ready to compete. Hang on to the prospects. Why reverse course now?

Exactly! These three are not moving the needle one millimeter. They are not winning the World Series because they acquired these three. They are not game changers. And in Fraziers case, he's absolutely dreadful. And he's gone after this season anyways. Come on Cashman.
We all knew they would trade one of Frazier or Rutherford  
mfsd : 7/18/2017 10:23 pm : link
eventually, neither is a CF and Judge is our RF for hopefully 15+ years

But I think we all hoped one of them would be part of a deal for a front end SP, not spare parts
remarkably  
MookGiants : 7/18/2017 10:23 pm : link
poor trade by the Yankees. Going for it this year is fucking stupid. Rutherford should have been untouchable, and they traded him and didn't get a stud player back.
In any case, trading Rutherford isn t what's aggravating  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 10:23 pm : link
It's trading him for such a mediocre return.
RE: Is it time  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13531809 Mr. Nickels said:
Quote:
to add Yoan Moncada in fantasy??

Moncada has been playing 2nd all season
RE: RE: Is it time  
Mr. Nickels : 7/18/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13531819 BigBlueShock said:
Quote:
In comment 13531809 Mr. Nickels said:


Quote:


to add Yoan Moncada in fantasy??


Moncada has been playing 2nd all season



Since the White Sox traded Frazier won't they be calling him up?

Did the trade go through?
It's all about David Robertson  
DennyInDenville : 7/18/2017 10:26 pm : link
Very very good pitcher and can close..

Can never have too many elite relief pitchers.

We will have him next season also. #Big3
RE: The bullpen has blown enough leads to justify adding relief help  
section125 : 7/18/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13531806 DennyInDenville said:
Quote:
The Scranton shuttle has been insane

Our bullpen will now be STACKED

GRADE A: Chapman, Betances, Robertson

Grade B: Green

Grade C: Warren, New Guy, whoever else


Warren is much better than C. He is over Green at this point.
RE: remarkably  
BigBlueShock : 7/18/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13531816 MookGiants said:
Quote:
poor trade by the Yankees. Going for it this year is fucking stupid. Rutherford should have been untouchable, and they traded him and didn't get a stud player back.

Todd fucking Frazier. Just think about that for a second. Oh, and a RP that they decided wasn't worth resigning just a couple of years ago. I guess they should have just resigned him, huh?
Is this trade  
Mr. Nickels : 7/18/2017 10:28 pm : link
Official??
This  
mitch300 : 7/18/2017 10:29 pm : link
Sounds like a George Steinbrenner move.SMH
whats  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/18/2017 10:29 pm : link
funny is everyone keeps talking about Frazier & Robertson on this board, Mark Fiensand keeps saying the guy who drove up the price is Tommy Kanlhe; Frazier amounts to just a throw in along with the two real pieces of the relief pitchers. But then you take a step back and say, the Yankees just sent away two of their top prospects for MIDDLE relief pitching? Yeesh, and thats with Betances & Chapman already on the roster locked up.
RE: RE: I would be legitimately stunned at this  
mavric : 7/18/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13531807 HomerJones45 said:
Quote:
In comment 13531783 Greg from LI said:


Quote:


Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.

you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.


The Yankees absolutely stole him. Rutherford was considered the top pick (or at worst, in the top 3 picks) of the entire draft last year, but he was going to college and nothing could stop him so all the teams drafting in front of the Yanks passed on him because he wouldn't sign anyway. But when his favorite team since a little kid - the Yankees - drafted him anyway, he chose to forego college.

He's going to be a 5-tool player and a lefty to boot. Enough speed to play CF and steal 20-30 bases a year with a bazooka arm. The kid is going to be a star. I just wish it was going to be with the Yankees. Heartbreaking!
It's Rutherford.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/18/2017 10:31 pm : link
.
.  
Danny Kanell : 7/18/2017 10:32 pm : link
Bad move if true. Very bad. And goes completely against everything they've been trying to do.
Bahahaha.....Tommy Kahnle, who's been good for maybe three months  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 10:32 pm : link
Unbelievable.
Alonso  
Mr. Nickels : 7/18/2017 10:32 pm : link
As well
Discussing Alonso - ( New Window )
Cant wait to see the inevitable trade for a starter  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 10:33 pm : link
If it's anything like this, stock up on lube
Clippard is part of this deal, too.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/18/2017 10:33 pm : link
.
3 players coming to the Yankees  
arniefez : 7/18/2017 10:34 pm : link
one is a FA after this year. One is a FA after 2018. One is under team control for 3 more years. How is that going for it this year? I've never seen Rutherford play. I've read lots of glowing reports so maybe they'll regret this. But the Yankees are loaded with young OF's. They can't keep all of them. They're going to keep Girardi as mgr that's for sure and there is no chance to win without a LOADED bullpen the way he manages. So on the surface this makes sense to me.
At least Alonso is actually playing well this year  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 10:34 pm : link
Never has before, but hey, it's something.
RE: RE: RE: I would be legitimately stunned at this  
Jay on the Island : 7/18/2017 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13531834 mavric said:
Quote:
In comment 13531807 HomerJones45 said:


Quote:


In comment 13531783 Greg from LI said:


Quote:


Say what you will about Cashman, he almost never gets fleeced like this. This is a massive overpay.

you're crying over some kid in A ball for God's sake.



The Yankees absolutely stole him. Rutherford was considered the top pick (or at worst, in the top 3 picks) of the entire draft last year, but he was going to college and nothing could stop him so all the teams drafting in front of the Yanks passed on him because he wouldn't sign anyway. But when his favorite team since a little kid - the Yankees - drafted him anyway, he chose to forego college.

He's going to be a 5-tool player and a lefty to boot. Enough speed to play CF and steal 20-30 bases a year with a bazooka arm. The kid is going to be a star. I just wish it was going to be with the Yankees. Heartbreaking!

That isn't accurate. Rutherford fell because of his bonus demands and the fact that he was a 19 year old HS senior. He never said he wouldn't sign with any team other than the Yankees.
Why is Cash behaving like his job depends on the Yanks  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
making the playoffs this year?

I know we haven't traded away propsects we regret, but it's too early to give up on Rutherford now.

We have enough B prospects to get this type of return from other teams. White Sox is really cleaning up on these trades.
You have to give to get...  
brunswick : 7/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
Kahnle is better than Drob...
I don't get this.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
Why?
Is this shit official  
B in ALB : 7/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
Or are we getting our panties in a twist over nothing?
RE: Clippard is part of this deal, too.  
mfsd : 7/18/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13531843 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
.


Too soon for Tyler Clippard appreciation thread?
.  
Bill2 : 7/18/2017 10:36 pm : link
imho, forget Frazier.

The bullpen has been a real problem. For all we know, Chapman is burned out for this year and burning him a second jepordizes him for awhile.

Betances maybe a head case given his unhappiness with arbitration.

Getting a good relief pitcher before other teams know you really do need one badly is a very smart move.

Getting a MLB proven RP for a guy who is a prospect 3 years away from fitting into a crowded OF ? One who you might lose in Rule 5?

If this is a real trade...I don't think it is so once sided or stupid at all

I like the trade.  
Mike from SI : 7/18/2017 10:37 pm : link
Was hoping it would be Rutherford and not Mateo.
I'd be quite disappointed to give up Rutherford.  
yatqb : 7/18/2017 10:37 pm : link
And leave my panties out of it, B!
disappointed  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/18/2017 10:37 pm : link
to see the Yankees part with Rutherford.
We've discussed the outfield logjam for awhile now.  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2017 10:38 pm : link
Shocked it was resolved this way. Frazier and Judge are entrenched in the corners, and centerfield should be interesting - Gardner, Ellsbury, Hicks and Fowler battle in the short term until Florial comes knocking.
I love this deal.  
LarmerTJR : 7/18/2017 10:39 pm : link
Trade from strength. Helps now and later. Confirms faith in Bird. You have to give to get, and an A ball outfielder when you have a glut of outfielders is what you do...
you guys grossly overvalue prospects  
HomerJones45 : 7/18/2017 10:40 pm : link
You get a closer, the guy who was goimg to be the repkacement closer and a 35 HR bat that can play two positions, (and the comparisons to Carter are ridiculous) both of desperate need and you are moanong about an A ball kid.

with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
in 5 years  
spike : 7/18/2017 10:41 pm : link
the White Sox will be destroying the league like Houston this year
RE: I love this deal.  
Greg from LI : 7/18/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13531863 LarmerTJR said:
Quote:
Trade from strength. Helps now and later. Confirms faith in Bird. You have to give to get, and an A ball outfielder when you have a glut of outfielders is what you do...


That's all fine - two middle relievers and a shitty lumberjack rental is a lousy way to relieve that glut of OFs.
Clarkin involved as well  
brunswick : 7/18/2017 10:41 pm : link
...
RE: We've discussed the outfield logjam for awhile now.  
yatqb : 7/18/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13531859 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
Shocked it was resolved this way. Frazier and Judge are entrenched in the corners, and centerfield should be interesting - Gardner, Ellsbury, Hicks and Fowler battle in the short term until Florial comes knocking.


It's always helpful to have guys waiting in the wings. Injuries happen, careers take downturns...you just never know when you're gonna need another good young position player. Trading a top prospect for rentals isn't ideal, imo.
If true  
Beer Man : 7/18/2017 10:42 pm : link
this deal sucks. Trading top prospects for a 31 year old 3b hitting .216 and a 32-year old reliever. How is this better than what we have. These guys are spare parts for the short term, and certainly not missing pieces. WTF is Cash thinking?
RE: you guys grossly overvalue prospects  
DennyInDenville : 7/18/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13531865 HomerJones45 said:
Quote:
You get a closer, the guy who was goimg to be the repkacement closer and a 35 HR bat that can play two positions, (and the comparisons to Carter are ridiculous) both of desperate need and you are moanong about an A ball kid.

with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?

Excellent post.

I believe chappy has a no trade clause for years 1-3 if I'm not mistaken tho
RE: I'd be quite disappointed to give up Rutherford.  
B in ALB : 7/18/2017 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13531856 yatqb said:
Quote:
And leave my panties out of it, B!


You rockin the crotchless jobs tonight?

Sexxxxyyyyy, sexy.
RE: If true  
DennyInDenville : 7/18/2017 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13531872 Beer Man said:
Quote:
this deal sucks. Trading top prospects for a 31 year old 3b hitting .216 and a 32-year old reliever. How is this better than what we have. These guys are spare parts for the short term, and certainly not missing pieces. WTF is Cash thinking?

He's thinking he wants to make the playoffs

Severino
Cc
Monty

Those 3 can pitch in the postseason. They only need 6 innings.. or 5.
Why on Earth would we trade Blake Rutherford for these  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2017 10:44 pm : link
guys? This seems diametrically opposed to the moves Cashman was making last year... not taking the long view of this situation.

I like D-Rob and Kahnle has been good, but I don't like Todd Frazier AT ALL. I'm not even against trading Blake in general, but I would really prefer to not be aggressive this season. And if we are, get YOUNG players in return.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner