If you are going to bring young pitchers along and slowly increase their innings...you need a deep bullpen.
If we had won 4 more games of the last 40 because of less blown saves....we would be tied or close to it.
Its not a go all out for now move and sell all we had in the minors...its a decent solid calculated risk. That's gonna happen when you have a stocked minor league.
Hey...remember when we would not trade Montero for anything less than the NL All Star Lineup?
I'm ok with it. Not going to win the Ws. But it would have had us tied for first if we had a Robertson all this season. Or next.
The wild care is going to come down to four games over the rest of the year. And next
RE: RE: I'd be quite disappointed to give up Rutherford.
You get a closer, the guy who was goimg to be the repkacement closer and a 35 HR bat that can play two positions, (and the comparisons to Carter are ridiculous) both of desperate need and you are moanong about an A ball kid.
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
Are they really "desperate" for a 31 year old hitter when clearly they're set up for the long term with a very young team? I thought they were a pretty good offensive club. Hitting would not have been my first thought for big needs.
I would have included Rutherford in a deal for a SP. But I think including him is more about getting the relievers than Frazier. We can argue all day about Frazier. He's probably about average. But if you want to scream he sucks, go ahead.
But word is that the Sox set a high price for Kahnle. Including Rutherford is about fixing the bullpen and neither of those guys are not rentals
if Yankees determined that Rutherford isn't a CF it severely diminishes his value to the organization with all the corner OF we have. Florial likely moved ahead of him in the pecking order. I wanted a SP for him, but I can live with it
and TFrazier will do well with a shorter RF.
Worth it.
And I agree with the 'hasn't developed as quickly' comment.
I disagree with the Harper for OF comment.
Don't need him ; why a headcase when the homegrown kids are talented and stable.
The game has really turned into a battle of bullpens. Yes the Yanks need SP. However, shortening the game can be argued as more important. So, in that aspect I like it.
I just don't know about Frazier and giving up a young stud. Does Frazier give us much more than Cooper right now? It seems like a minimal upgrade unless Frazier starts dropping HRs all over the place.
I would have prefered to stay the course though. This is not the year to go all in.
did last year. What has his team done when they are not outspending others by 50M+? Two of the biggest liabilities are his doings in Ellsbury and Headley. Now this? Who knows what's to come?
Frazier will strike out in every key AB, who wants to bet?
Rutherford doesn't have any 55/60+ tools except for the hit tool, the Yanks prob thouht he'd hit 330 in low A and be in Tampa by now. Still, I just hate trading prospects for stopgaps and it's too early to sour on Blake.
If you are going to bring young pitchers along and slowly increase their innings...you need a deep bullpen.
If we had won 4 more games of the last 40 because of less blown saves....we would be tied or close to it.
Its not a go all out for now move and sell all we had in the minors...its a decent solid calculated risk. That's gonna happen when you have a stocked minor league.
Hey...remember when we would not trade Montero for anything less than the NL All Star Lineup?
I'm ok with it. Not going to win the Ws. But it would have had us tied for first if we had a Robertson all this season. Or next.
The wild care is going to come down to four games over the rest of the year. And next
Bill is right. With a deep BP, they can contend. Drob, Betances and Chapman. Add Warren, Green and Holder or Heller in the 6th shortens the game another inning.
this. Vintage 1980's type move. Who the hell knows whether Rutherford will amount to anything but you have to hang onto guys like that or if you do trade him get real value in return.
Maybe he did somehow become a dominant reliever overnight at age 28, but I'd rather not bet a top 100 prospect on it when every year there are journeyman relievers who have a huge season out of nowhere and then sink back into mediocrity.
Its not a go all out for now move and sell all we had in the minors...its a decent solid calculated risk. That's gonna happen when you have a stocked minor league.
Hey...remember when we would not trade Montero for anything less than the NL All Star Lineup?
I'm ok with it. Not going to win the Ws. But it would have had us tied for first if we had a Robertson all this season. Or next.
But if we're not thinking we can win the WS, then what's the point of the deal? It's a complete "win now" move.` The Cubs have been making trades like this because they thought (and legitimately so) that they could win the World Series. Yes, we have an excellent farm system, but we're not "there" yet where a move like this is necessary.
they may have really grown to like the bat speed, attitude, coachability and adjustments Red Frazier has made in the last three weeks and said to themselves we may have a very good player in 1-2 years.
They sure liked Fowler
making Rutherford a bit more of a luxury they could sell high.
usually cant get much for a guy playing A ball.
I just see a lot of sound logic in this move.
its a sport so who knows how it will play out. But Cashman is not being stupid
One last thing...maybe trading Rutherford is worth keeping two decent relievers from being in Boston for the next two years????
this deal sucks. Trading top prospects for a 31 year old 3b hitting .216 and a 32-year old reliever. How is this better than what we have. These guys are spare parts for the short term, and certainly not missing pieces. WTF is Cash thinking?
He's thinking he wants to make the playoffs
Severino
Cc
Monty
Those 3 can pitch in the postseason. They only need 6 innings.. or 5.
Talking with my son about this today. Will Monty be available in the playoffs. What is his innings limit this year?
You get a closer, the guy who was goimg to be the repkacement closer and a 35 HR bat that can play two positions, (and the comparisons to Carter are ridiculous) both of desperate need and you are moanong about an A ball kid.
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
Are they really "desperate" for a 31 year old hitter when clearly they're set up for the long term with a very young team? I thought they were a pretty good offensive club. Hitting would not have been my first thought for big needs.
So Cris Carter and Headley have been tolerable for you this year?
Frazier is the big name in this deal but I guarantee the relievers are the keys to the deal in Cashman's eyes. Robertson is signed through next season and Kahnle is controllable for I believe three more seasons
gets to live his dream of playing for the Yankees (though sad that Rutherford can't fulfill his).
I just think it was worth holding onto Rutherford and seeing if we could have at least moved him as part of a package for a frontline starter.
I was just looking at Rutherfords numbers and his power has stepped up a bit but only 2 HRs.
He would probly be at AA next year actually. Blake is probly MLB ready by either 2019 or 2020
But his Hr power is a ways away. I do wonder if he could be a good defensive CF tho and I still rate Fowler better but admit Rutherfords ceiling is higher. But shittt even Florial I rate higher then Blake
Yankees farm system is Stacked! And big trades are coming with the 40 man and what not.
Basically the only other thing they can do is trade a haul for a stud SP If one becomes available
Here. A Bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Help for the pen and corners would not be free. Mateo is still here. Florial is too. Too many OF that have proven more....good luck a Blake.
We are not competing with Houston or even Boston this
year. Trading away touted prospects for rentals is just not smart.
We are all giddy over the glut of prospects now but after a few of this type of moves the system would be poor again.
None of the big IFA signees except for Florial has done anything. Our draft picks still miss more than they hit. System is good because of the trades last year. Let's not think we can afford to throw prospects away for rentals.
Frazier is essentially a throw-in stopgap here until Gleyber and Bird come back next year. I disagree with the notion that this is a sign they're going "all-in" this year. They need an overhaul on the mound. Starters and bullpen. This is a good step to at least fix one of them, yes for this year but more importantly next. Anything to get Headley less at bats and Clippard off the mound is a positive in my eyes.
but Fowler can't even remotely be a part of the equation anymore until he shows he can do it on the field again.
I'm not saying Rutherford was untouchable and if we were a "win now" team, I'd totally understand the move even if I didn't agree with it. Where I see this team in it's progression, we needed to be looking at a different group of players than the ones we're getting back.
year. Trading away touted prospects for rentals is just not smart.
We are all giddy over the glut of prospects now but after a few of this type of moves the system would be poor again.
None of the big IFA signees except for Florial has done anything. Our draft picks still miss more than they hit. System is good because of the trades last year. Let's not think we can afford to throw prospects away for rentals.
It's not just for rentals! How many times does this need to be repeated?
I have enjoyed your insight for years...we need to realize as fans, nothing is free, and not every prospect is awesome...at least long term....you get that, some us have over protective.
John Harper (Daily News) just said on SNY SportsNite that Chapman is a factor in this deal. Yanks are concerned about managing his workload down the stretch. Also said Yanks refused to include Rutherford in a Quintana deal, and that Clint Frazier's strong first impression may have had something to do with this.
If you are going to bring young pitchers along and slowly increase their innings...you need a deep bullpen.
If we had won 4 more games of the last 40 because of less blown saves....we would be tied or close to it.
Its not a go all out for now move and sell all we had in the minors...its a decent solid calculated risk. That's gonna happen when you have a stocked minor league.
Hey...remember when we would not trade Montero for anything less than the NL All Star Lineup?
I'm ok with it. Not going to win the Ws. But it would have had us tied for first if we had a Robertson all this season. Or next.
The wild care is going to come down to four games over the rest of the year. And next
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And leave my panties out of it, B!
You rockin the crotchless jobs tonight?
Sexxxxyyyyy, sexy.
Hey, you have a camera in my bedroom or something?
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
Are they really "desperate" for a 31 year old hitter when clearly they're set up for the long term with a very young team? I thought they were a pretty good offensive club. Hitting would not have been my first thought for big needs.
But word is that the Sox set a high price for Kahnle. Including Rutherford is about fixing the bullpen and neither of those guys are not rentals
if Yankees determined that Rutherford isn't a CF it severely diminishes his value to the organization with all the corner OF we have. Florial likely moved ahead of him in the pecking order. I wanted a SP for him, but I can live with it
And Hicks.
Worth it.
And I agree with the 'hasn't developed as quickly' comment.
I disagree with the Harper for OF comment.
Don't need him ; why a headcase when the homegrown kids are talented and stable.
I just don't know about Frazier and giving up a young stud. Does Frazier give us much more than Cooper right now? It seems like a minimal upgrade unless Frazier starts dropping HRs all over the place.
I would have prefered to stay the course though. This is not the year to go all in.
Frazier will strike out in every key AB, who wants to bet?
Rutherford doesn't have any 55/60+ tools except for the hit tool, the Yanks prob thouht he'd hit 330 in low A and be in Tampa by now. Still, I just hate trading prospects for stopgaps and it's too early to sour on Blake.
12 HRs and a .850+ Ops in last 42 games tho
If you are going to bring young pitchers along and slowly increase their innings...you need a deep bullpen.
If we had won 4 more games of the last 40 because of less blown saves....we would be tied or close to it.
Its not a go all out for now move and sell all we had in the minors...its a decent solid calculated risk. That's gonna happen when you have a stocked minor league.
Hey...remember when we would not trade Montero for anything less than the NL All Star Lineup?
I'm ok with it. Not going to win the Ws. But it would have had us tied for first if we had a Robertson all this season. Or next.
The wild care is going to come down to four games over the rest of the year. And next
Bill is right. With a deep BP, they can contend. Drob, Betances and Chapman. Add Warren, Green and Holder or Heller in the 6th shortens the game another inning.
Its not a go all out for now move and sell all we had in the minors...its a decent solid calculated risk. That's gonna happen when you have a stocked minor league.
Hey...remember when we would not trade Montero for anything less than the NL All Star Lineup?
I'm ok with it. Not going to win the Ws. But it would have had us tied for first if we had a Robertson all this season. Or next.
But if we're not thinking we can win the WS, then what's the point of the deal? It's a complete "win now" move.` The Cubs have been making trades like this because they thought (and legitimately so) that they could win the World Series. Yes, we have an excellent farm system, but we're not "there" yet where a move like this is necessary.
I just think it was worth holding onto Rutherford and seeing if we could have at least moved him as part of a package for a frontline starter.
The Nats and Dodgers are legit.
They sure liked Fowler
making Rutherford a bit more of a luxury they could sell high.
usually cant get much for a guy playing A ball.
I just see a lot of sound logic in this move.
its a sport so who knows how it will play out. But Cashman is not being stupid
One last thing...maybe trading Rutherford is worth keeping two decent relievers from being in Boston for the next two years????
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this deal sucks. Trading top prospects for a 31 year old 3b hitting .216 and a 32-year old reliever. How is this better than what we have. These guys are spare parts for the short term, and certainly not missing pieces. WTF is Cash thinking?
He's thinking he wants to make the playoffs
Severino
Cc
Monty
Those 3 can pitch in the postseason. They only need 6 innings.. or 5.
Talking with my son about this today. Will Monty be available in the playoffs. What is his innings limit this year?
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You get a closer, the guy who was goimg to be the repkacement closer and a 35 HR bat that can play two positions, (and the comparisons to Carter are ridiculous) both of desperate need and you are moanong about an A ball kid.
with all the teams desperate for closers, the Yanks now have at least 3 what are they worth? What championship caliber team needs a closer and might be willing to pay through the nose for Chapman or Betances?
Are they really "desperate" for a 31 year old hitter when clearly they're set up for the long term with a very young team? I thought they were a pretty good offensive club. Hitting would not have been my first thought for big needs.
So Cris Carter and Headley have been tolerable for you this year?
They got that.
I just think it was worth holding onto Rutherford and seeing if we could have at least moved him as part of a package for a frontline starter.
Is there any feasible way Rutherford is even the second prospect in a trade that lands an ace?
I just think it was worth holding onto Rutherford and seeing if we could have at least moved him as part of a package for a frontline starter.
I was just looking at Rutherfords numbers and his power has stepped up a bit but only 2 HRs.
He would probly be at AA next year actually. Blake is probly MLB ready by either 2019 or 2020
But his Hr power is a ways away. I do wonder if he could be a good defensive CF tho and I still rate Fowler better but admit Rutherfords ceiling is higher. But shittt even Florial I rate higher then Blake
Yankees farm system is Stacked! And big trades are coming with the 40 man and what not.
Basically the only other thing they can do is trade a haul for a stud SP If one becomes available
I just think it was worth holding onto Rutherford and seeing if we could have at least moved him as part of a package for a frontline starter.
Well said. I agree with the last part but I can at least see the logic in the deal
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gets to live his dream of playing for the Yankees (though sad that Rutherford can't fulfill his).
I just think it was worth holding onto Rutherford and seeing if we could have at least moved him as part of a package for a frontline starter.
Is there any feasible way Rutherford is even the second prospect in a trade that lands an ace?
For a Chris Sale type Ace no way.
He would be the 3rd guy
We are all giddy over the glut of prospects now but after a few of this type of moves the system would be poor again.
None of the big IFA signees except for Florial has done anything. Our draft picks still miss more than they hit. System is good because of the trades last year. Let's not think we can afford to throw prospects away for rentals.
I'm not saying Rutherford was untouchable and if we were a "win now" team, I'd totally understand the move even if I didn't agree with it. Where I see this team in it's progression, we needed to be looking at a different group of players than the ones we're getting back.
I love Gary Cooper.
It does give them 3 legit closers and gets them back to the triad like last year even if Chapman is down a bit and DRob is a notch below Miller.
We are all giddy over the glut of prospects now but after a few of this type of moves the system would be poor again.
None of the big IFA signees except for Florial has done anything. Our draft picks still miss more than they hit. System is good because of the trades last year. Let's not think we can afford to throw prospects away for rentals.
It's not just for rentals! How many times does this need to be repeated?
They can even have Didi and Castro
Possible. He hasn't been the same pitcher since coming back from injury.
John Harper (Daily News) just said on SNY SportsNite that Chapman is a factor in this deal. Yanks are concerned about managing his workload down the stretch. Also said Yanks refused to include Rutherford in a Quintana deal, and that Clint Frazier's strong first impression may have had something to do with this.