They'll absolutely make difference this season. Enough to win the WS? almost surely not. But maybe enough to take the division. And two of the three pieces in the deal, probably the two Cashman values most, are not just rentals.
They dealt from a position of strength with Rutherford. Wish it'd been for a SP but I'm ok with it.
Possible. He hasn't been the same pitcher since coming back from injury.
It really goes back to Maddon burning him out in the World Series. And really, Yanks can't complain, buyer beware and all that. But it's becoming more clear they can't fully count on him this season. Hopefully he can get back to himself in time
Just said that the yanks are concerned about Chapman. Not saying he us injured, just concerned because they have 4 more years and Robertson can give him a little of a break.
This makes more sense.
John Harper (Daily News) just said on SNY SportsNite that Chapman is a factor in this deal. Yanks are concerned about managing his workload down the stretch. Also said Yanks refused to include Rutherford in a Quintana deal, and that Clint Frazier's strong first impression may have had something to do with this.
I also wonder if the emergence of Hicks may have also had at least a little influence here as well.
the pen now. But how many All-Stars in the pen does Girardi need? Cashman seems to be perpetually re-arranging the deck chairs in the pen and devotes a lot of resources towards it. Now he is trading a top OF prospect to get bullpen pieces? Ugh.
I am not throwing a fit because Rutherford is gone, but I am afraid this might signal the Yanks are back to their old ways. And now we actually have legit prospects to come back and haunt us.
I suppose how you feel about this trade is probably a reflection
on whether you believe in Kahnle or not. Just seems like a huge roll of the dice to think that a 28 year old nondescript relief pitcher turned into a star who will dominate for years to come, practically overnight.
Do people think we can compete next year? If not this year?
on whether you believe in Kahnle or not. Just seems like a huge roll of the dice to think that a 28 year old nondescript relief pitcher turned into a star who will dominate for years to come, practically overnight.
True, very true.
Happend with andrew Miller that way kind of ..
I know nothing about this guy honestly.
RE: RE: I suppose how you feel about this trade is probably a reflection
on whether you believe in Kahnle or not. Just seems like a huge roll of the dice to think that a 28 year old nondescript relief pitcher turned into a star who will dominate for years to come, practically overnight.
But hate to see Rutherford go - had to have known someone was eventually going to be moved soon
More moves coming though. This doesn't solve the 40 man problem. In fact it might even cause further need to make more moves or else lose some guys rule 5
RE: Andrew Miller was the overall #6 pick in the draft
And by some accounts isn't making a lot of hard contact. I don't necessarily believe this but it is possible the Yankees sold high here. Not every prospect pans out
That if this deal goes thru Dellin will move out of the 8th inning role and Robertson will take over. Dellin will basically pitch anywhere when needed. Interesting.
That if this deal goes thru Dellin will move out of the 8th inning role and Robertson will take over. Dellin will basically pitch anywhere when needed. Interesting.
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
Just because Miller was the 6th pick (who then sucked for 5 years) until he made mechanical adjustments doesn't mean Kahnle's progress (was a 5th round pick btw) should be ignored
But it does make this team a lot better. Frazier may not rebound but even his current production is much better than what we've been getting out of 1B. Also hit better on the road, suggesting ballpark had at least something to do with his .207.
That if this deal goes thru Dellin will move out of the 8th inning role and Robertson will take over. Dellin will basically pitch anywhere when needed. Interesting.
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
I get what you're saying but I don't necessarily think it says anything about Betances. I've never liked confining him to one set inning. He's been at his most valuable when he can come in at any time and often help get out of jams. Curry compared it to how the Indians use Andrew Miller. I like it
That if this deal goes thru Dellin will move out of the 8th inning role and Robertson will take over. Dellin will basically pitch anywhere when needed. Interesting.
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
I get what you're saying but I don't necessarily think it says anything about Betances. I've never liked confining him to one set inning. He's been at his most valuable when he can come in at any time and often help get out of jams. Curry compared it to how the Indians use Andrew Miller. I like it
Betances has been our 8th inning guy for how long? To just move him right away for someone coming in I would think has to say something, even if he is better used coming in whenever.
reporters pressing Girardi on the trade in the postgame -
Maybe its a combo of both? Use Betances in a way he's better used at, coming in whenever. And give someone who was once here and has had success and is experienced the 8th inning? Two birds with one stone. It can't hurt to try.
They'll absolutely make difference this season. Enough to win the WS? almost surely not. But maybe enough to take the division. And two of the three pieces in the deal, probably the two Cashman values most, are not just rentals.
They dealt from a position of strength with Rutherford. Wish it'd been for a SP but I'm ok with it.
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If Chapman is hurt.
Possible. He hasn't been the same pitcher since coming back from injury.
It really goes back to Maddon burning him out in the World Series. And really, Yanks can't complain, buyer beware and all that. But it's becoming more clear they can't fully count on him this season. Hopefully he can get back to himself in time
This makes more sense.
The 3rd name is controlled till then.
Robertson will be here next season also
Rutherford wasn't gonna be here till 2020 most likely , though his potential is quite amazing I must admit
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If Chapman is hurt.
John Harper (Daily News) just said on SNY SportsNite that Chapman is a factor in this deal. Yanks are concerned about managing his workload down the stretch. Also said Yanks refused to include Rutherford in a Quintana deal, and that Clint Frazier's strong first impression may have had something to do with this.
I also wonder if the emergence of Hicks may have also had at least a little influence here as well.
He's been consistent 101. Normally he's 102-103 but clearly his usage late last season has caused a hangover. Hopefully he gets back to dominant form.
He's been consistent 101. Normally he's 102-103 but clearly his usage late last season has caused a hangover. Hopefully he gets back to dominant form.
He's been more in the 97-98 range touching 100-101, not the consistent 100+
I am not throwing a fit because Rutherford is gone, but I am afraid this might signal the Yanks are back to their old ways. And now we actually have legit prospects to come back and haunt us.
Florial > Rutherford imo.
It's arguable that Fowler would be better to trade but he's hurt, also has shown more. Rutherfords ceiling is a rich Fowler tho.
True, very true.
Happend with andrew Miller that way kind of ..
I know nothing about this guy honestly.
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on whether you believe in Kahnle or not. Just seems like a huge roll of the dice to think that a 28 year old nondescript relief pitcher turned into a star who will dominate for years to come, practically overnight.
True, very true.
Happend with andrew Miller that way kind of ..
I know nothing about this guy honestly.
Excellent Fangraphs article from last month on the changes Kanhle has made all-around to improve his velocity and control.
The Making of Tommy Kahnle - Fangraphs - ( New Window )
Only 7 walks to his 60 something Ks
He's blown saves tho..
I think he's our 6th inning guy with Green and Warren , DRob to the 7th or 8th
More moves coming though. This doesn't solve the 40 man problem. In fact it might even cause further need to make more moves or else lose some guys rule 5
Fair enough. I'm hyped up.
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
Frazier can play a little 1B too and this would stop the Romine at first nonsense.
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David Robertson has been informed that he's been traded to New York.
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That if this deal goes thru Dellin will move out of the 8th inning role and Robertson will take over. Dellin will basically pitch anywhere when needed. Interesting.
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
I get what you're saying but I don't necessarily think it says anything about Betances. I've never liked confining him to one set inning. He's been at his most valuable when he can come in at any time and often help get out of jams. Curry compared it to how the Indians use Andrew Miller. I like it
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That if this deal goes thru Dellin will move out of the 8th inning role and Robertson will take over. Dellin will basically pitch anywhere when needed. Interesting.
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
I get what you're saying but I don't necessarily think it says anything about Betances. I've never liked confining him to one set inning. He's been at his most valuable when he can come in at any time and often help get out of jams. Curry compared it to how the Indians use Andrew Miller. I like it
Betances has been our 8th inning guy for how long? To just move him right away for someone coming in I would think has to say something, even if he is better used coming in whenever.
Maybe its a combo of both? Use Betances in a way he's better used at, coming in whenever. And give someone who was once here and has had success and is experienced the 8th inning? Two birds with one stone. It can't hurt to try.
Severino/ Tanaka / CC / Montgomery / ??????
We need another starter, but I think the cost is too high.
Severino/ Tanaka / CC / Montgomery / ??????
We need another starter, but I think the cost is too high.
How about Green?
Severino/ Tanaka / CC / Montgomery / ??????
You're leaving out Warren, Green and Shreve in the pen, all of whom have been good at times and excellent at others.
Mitchell is the 5th starter.