They're not getting rid of him, but he'a a part-time player now.
Trying to figure out who gets sent down with these moves - we're adding 3 to the 25 and subtracting one, so two need to be moved. Probably Cessa and either Choi or Cooper.
Kinda jealous what the Yanks are doing. Not a fan of Frazier but he is a good clubhouse guy that occasionally can hit the long ball. Kahnle is really good. He pitched an inning earlier this year at the stadium and struck the side out on 9 or 10 pitches. The Yanks (Cashman) get it. I think Yankee fans should have enough faith in their FO that they aren't overpaying,etc...On the other hand, as a NYM fan, you sit there and wonder what Alderson is thinking. We need to get into the game soon...real soon.
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
I don't think so. Tethering relief pitchers to specific innings is a dopey fucking thing to do and not keeping Dellin as "the 8th inning guy" will actually make him more valuable.
Choi and Refsnyder. And good chance Choi clears and ends up back in Scranton (like Mason Williams). Maybe someone picks up Refsnyder, but time to move on from him. They'd be letting him go in the off season anyway, when they need room. May as well just do it now, opposed to losing an arm that can help.
Refsnyder is worthless. He can't hit in the majors and every position he plays, he plays poorly. Frazier can play 1B in addition to 3B. So he thankfully would never be playing 1B anymore. And Wade as leaped Refsnyder as the utility guy who can play IF/OF. Wade can play more positions (SS and 3B), is a very good fielder, and younger with a higher ceiling.
Choi and Refsnyder. And good chance Choi clears and ends up back in Scranton (like Mason Williams). Maybe someone picks up Refsnyder, but time to move on from him. They'd be letting him go in the off season anyway, when they need room. May as well just do it now, opposed to losing an arm that can help.
Refsnyder is worthless. He can't hit in the majors and every position he plays, he plays poorly. Frazier can play 1B in addition to 3B. So he thankfully would never be playing 1B anymore. And Wade as leaped Refsnyder as the utility guy who can play IF/OF. Wade can play more positions (SS and 3B), is a very good fielder, and younger with a higher ceiling.
Its not every day you make a trade for two good pitchers and send back a bad one. You can bitch about Headley , Ellsbury and 1B all you want, Clippard is the reason we're not in first place. In addition to the half dozen or so games he's blown, how often did Betances have to come in early to bail him out ?.
I am so glad to have Robertson back, Kahnle looks solid too. As far as I'm concerned, if Frazier is any good its gravy. Cashman addressed our biggest need: the bullpen
Kinda jealous what the Yanks are doing. Not a fan of Frazier but he is a good clubhouse guy that occasionally can hit the long ball. Kahnle is really good. He pitched an inning earlier this year at the stadium and struck the side out on 9 or 10 pitches. The Yanks (Cashman) get it. I think Yankee fans should have enough faith in their FO that they aren't overpaying,etc...On the other hand, as a NYM fan, you sit there and wonder what Alderson is thinking. We need to get into the game soon...real soon.
Mets got bit with injury bug hard...can't really judge anything with that team this year. You have 3 Solid starters in DeGrom, Matz and Thor, iffy on Wheeler. Harvey lost it.
Never understood the Murphy trade. Guy had arguably the greatest post-season I've ever seen, and you trade him that year. I'm not trying to get at this but....it's the Mets.
But why is everyone praising the Royals as the originators of the dominant closer trio? From 1998-2001, the Yankees did the same thing with Stanton, Nelson, and Rivera. Hell Rivera would go 4-6 outs if needed.
Kinda jealous what the Yanks are doing. Not a fan of Frazier but he is a good clubhouse guy that occasionally can hit the long ball. Kahnle is really good. He pitched an inning earlier this year at the stadium and struck the side out on 9 or 10 pitches. The Yanks (Cashman) get it. I think Yankee fans should have enough faith in their FO that they aren't overpaying,etc...On the other hand, as a NYM fan, you sit there and wonder what Alderson is thinking. We need to get into the game soon...real soon.
Mets got bit with injury bug hard...can't really judge anything with that team this year. You have 3 Solid starters in DeGrom, Matz and Thor, iffy on Wheeler. Harvey lost it.
Never understood the Murphy trade. Guy had arguably the greatest post-season I've ever seen, and you trade him that year. I'm not trying to get at this but....it's the Mets.
But why is everyone praising the Royals as the originators of the dominant closer trio? From 1998-2001, the Yankees did the same thing with Stanton, Nelson, and Rivera. Hell Rivera would go 4-6 outs if needed.
That was a dope team, but also remember in '96 it was Mo in 7 and 8 and then Wetteland in 9 (when he was apparently contractually obligated to put at least 1 man on base to make it interesting).
RE: Do people think we can compete next year? If not this year?
I wonder how much their belief in Florial had to do with their willingness to part with Rutherford. If there's such a thing as an ideal situation for comparing two prospects, this was it. They batted back to back in the batting order and played next to each other in the outfield.
p.s.--I also wonder if this is a prelude to another trade that will include one or two from their bullpen and net them a starting pitcher. You don't need four pitchers with "closer ability" in your pen (although who knows, there was a time when it was thought you didn't need two closers in your pen).
Rutherford wasn't untradable, but why blow a premium asset like that and not get a legit starting pitcher in return? ChiSox really have an interesting farm to follow now
Rutherford wasn't untradable, but why blow a premium asset like that and not get a legit starting pitcher in return? ChiSox really have an interesting farm to follow now
I agree. The Yanks trade a top young talent for a box of spare parts. Frazier and Robertson are both over 30 and probably won't be on the team in a couple of years, and Frazier is only hitting .207. I understand the team has too many top OF prospects and needs to trade a couple, but I believe they could have received far better value for what they gave away.
Rutherford wasn't untradable, but why blow a premium asset like that and not get a legit starting pitcher in return?
Maybe the Yankees didn't view him as an asset that was going to appreciate in value the longer they held onto it. The fact that Frazier and Robertson were on their way to Boston if the Yankees didn't step in gives the deal added value. The division is up for grabs. A 3 1/2 game lead is nothing in July. The Bosox can lose that lead just as quickly as the Yankees did.
This trade didn't fill the team's biggest hole, but filling little holes can make just enough of a difference that instead of hosting a wild card game that's all or nothing for them, the Yankees are hosting a Red Sox team that had to start Sale in the wild card game.
Rutherford wasn't untradable, but why blow a premium asset like that and not get a legit starting pitcher in return? ChiSox really have an interesting farm to follow now
The issue that raises eyebrows for me is the fact that the Yanks barely waited a year to trade Rutherford- especially after the big deal they made about him falling to them. What changed that made him expendable in their minds?
Trading a guy like Rutherford would have been as part of a SP deal, but this doesn't look like a bad trade to me at all.
The fact that Robertson and Kahnle were let go by the Yankees seasons ago is not relevant. They always liked Robertson, it was about money. Kahnle has transformed himself quite a bit since then; different player from the one they cast aside.
Chapman
Betances
Robertson
Kahnle
Warren
Green
Shreve
That's a crew that can bail you out of a couple 4-5 inning starts.
I do wonder if they look to stretch out one of Green/Warren. Cessa isn't long for the 25-man, and could be gone altogether soon. For the immediate term, I'd like to see them give Mitchell 2-3 more stabs at the 5th spot (barring a trade for a SP)
sures up the pen for this year and next. you could pottentially have 3 closers, so Chapman and Betances dont have to pitch everyday and they seem to have hit a wall.
Also frees up the idea of trading Betances, who is the kind of piece needed for a big time SP.
The issue that raises eyebrows for me is the fact that the Yanks barely waited a year to trade Rutherford- especially after the big deal they made about him falling to them. What changed that made him expendable in their minds?
Rutherford wasn't untradable, but why blow a premium asset like that and not get a legit starting pitcher in return? ChiSox really have an interesting farm to follow now
The issue that raises eyebrows for me is the fact that the Yanks barely waited a year to trade Rutherford- especially after the big deal they made about him falling to them. What changed that made him expendable in their minds?
I share your opinion. I know that Rutherford is a couple years away, but we haven't even begun to see his potential.
My only thought about the reasoning is that Rutherford (as good - even great - as he is) was being groomed for CF as LF and RF are going to be Frazier and Judge for the next decade or more. Rutherford is fast (in spite of his size) and was projected to be a 30-30 guy, but maybe not fast enough for CF.
In the end, I think the Yanks know they gave up a high ceiling gem, but for whatever reasons, thought this move will benefit the Yanks. It appears the Yanks are going to make the moves to get to the playoffs - the big crapshoot in which any team can take it all if they are hot at the right time, but you have to be in the playoffs to give it a shot. And we know the Baby Bombers can get hot - very hot. It's just a matter of when they do. I think their confidence is shaken a little since they took off like a rocket, but discovered the pain of untimely injuries and slumps.
I hope Rutherford does well in his new role and will be rooting for him except when he plays against the Yanks
Maybe its a combo of both? Use Betances in a way he's better used at, coming in whenever. And give someone who was once here and has had success and is experienced the 8th inning? Two birds with one stone. It can't hurt to try.
I get that thy're worried about Chapman so they brought back Robertson, and if all healthy, Betances can fill an Andrew Miller Cleveland-like role, coming in whenever there is a fire.
I would rather have stayed put, used Caleb Smith some more, and kept Rutherford, because there is no guarantee that Fowler comes back as the same player after that horrid knee injury. The best thing about this deal is that it got Clippard off the roster, but they could have just DFAd him or dumped him on an NL contender.
-fans my age(49) and older will always be traumatized by Willie McGee for Bob Sykes but this front office has never shown a propensity to make deals like that so its unfair
-As some have mentioned Frazier was a secondary part of the deal, a rental corner bat to hopefully be an upgrade over what we are sending out there.
-the real key to this deal was the RP's. As I've said in many threads to the "awww shucks who cares if we are playing awful, the future is so bright!" crowd The real concern during this stretch has been Chappy and Betances because they are a big part of that future the next few years. This trade signals to me that Cash and the organization has lost some confidence in them going forward. Chappy has a long term deal, so he's not going anywhere, but I think this deal may start the progression and transition away from Betances.
To me, Frazier is the least of the pieces. But he does fill in some chinks as a platoon option at 1B, 3B and as a DH if Holiday goes down again. All while still not blocking Torres or Bird.
Second, regarding how far from MLB ready Rutherford really was. Just as in finance discounted future cash flow and risk adjusted net present value is very important in valuing assets, we need to keep in mind that potential within a 1-2 year window has a much much higher probability of success than equal rated potential 3-4 years away.
This is especially true if you have young players at the MLB players ( Judge and Frazier) and alternatives in the farm system.
Just as we constantly debate the blend of need and best player available that dominates our thinking in NY Giants drafting commentary; we need to develop a blended approach somewhat between "all in for this year" and " bet on the potential of the prospects".
The risk adjusted calculus of betting on potential far away and the Rule 5 reality moves the framework for evaluating trades to no more than 2-3 years out ( once you have seen a brand new prospect in the system for a year).
Guys you know better after a one year sample size post draft but that still sit three years away or have less than good star MLB potential....are trade-able assets for average or better MLB players within the 1-3 year window.
They have his medicals, they have his make-up, they have his coach-ability. They have Chapmans loss of velocity within the last year. They know Betances control and inability to hold runners on makes him a tough 8th inning risk but a weapon if you still have a few at bats left on nights he is wild.
I think the team is better over the next 3 years.
We all may be over valuing prospects because Sanchez and Judge all of a sudden "got it" and showed that can happen. So can a Kaprelian and a Bird narrative. Or a Montero
RE: meh. As Greg so eloquently put it, Frazier sucks ass. They already
Frazier has hit 91 HR's over the past 2 and a half seasons, Headley has hit 28 and Frazier's defensive advanced metrics are light years better than Headley. Of course Frazier K's too much and his BA sucks but in the past 3 seasons he's struck out about 370 times, Headley 340 times. If you think they are the same player I don't know what to say. Headley may be the worst everyday 3b in the AL.
First of all, we are absolutely stacked with OF prospects. Not sure if you guys know this, but only 3 can play at a time. Not only do we have 3 young players right now that look to be the future, but we have a wealth of guys behind them that are much closer than Rutherford.
Secondly, Ruthorford is in low A and while he is definitely a legit prospect, a lot can happen in the 3 years from now until he's potentially MLB ready. Potentially.
The Yankees have a shot. This isn't the final product, but you add a starter to this team and we have as good of a shot as anyone. Best lineup, best bullpen and a staff that has the potential. This team has always gone for it when they were this close and they will do that again, while still keeping an eye on the future. We are loaded in the minors and we can afford a move like this.
but I think there's also a good chance of catching lightening in a bottle with him. Kid from the area coming home and playing on a contender might get him going.
RE: RE: meh. As Greg so eloquently put it, Frazier sucks ass. They already
Frazier has hit 91 HR's over the past 2 and a half seasons, Headley has hit 28 and Frazier's defensive advanced metrics are light years better than Headley. Of course Frazier K's too much and his BA sucks but in the past 3 seasons he's struck out about 370 times, Headley 340 times. If you think they are the same player I don't know what to say. Headley may be the worst everyday 3b in the AL.
He's not worth a top flight prospect like Rutherford. .210 is .210. He's not turning them into a WS favorite. And stuff your your snide remarks up your fucking ass.
Bottom line if I'm going to send a 3b with a sucky avg who K's a lot
if the Yanks would have parted with Rutherford if not for the fact that Boston was also in talks for Frazier and Robertson. The Red Sox are in need of a 3rd basemen and more relief help so it makes sense that they were in talks as reported.
As I stew about losing Rutherford, there is a glimmer of vengeful enjoyment knowing the Sox lost out, for which I am sure they are pissed. Had Boston made the deal, it probably would have made them a lock for winning the division for the next couple of years.
Also, I have been off the wagon on the Yanks pursuing Harper (and frankly, still am), but I think that issue comes back into play now. Personally, I hope we go all in on Machado and maybe even get Andrew Miller back. With all the money coming off the books and next years stellar free agent class, the Yanks can make some serious moves to be a lock for contention for the next half decade.
This trade was more to strengthen the BP with the best BP arm available than it was to get Frazier. Frazier is a cherry on top. We just solidified our BP for the next few seasons.
Tommy Kahnle had better be for real, because if he isn't this trade will look pretty damned bad.
Or maybe Blake Rutherford ends up not being for real. Saw some perspective from the other side that the White Sox really didn't get enough. The other two prospects are essentially lottery tickets. So it really boils down to Rutherford for all three. He better be good or the deal looks bad for Chicago.
Works both ways.
again: it's not trading Rutherford that bothers me
but if Rutherford's power doesn't develop further, as a corner OF his value drops. It could end up that they sold high on him. Time will tell.
Kahnle has been one of the best relievers in baseball this season. He replaces one of the worst in clippard. And he's team controlled for the next three seasons.
Maybe he's legit, but baseball history is littered with relievers who have one anomalous incredible season that is never repeated. Just seems like an awfully big risk to take.
It also rankles me that they didn't want to pay Robertson $12 million per to be their closer, but now trade for him so they can pay him $12 million to set up. Don't get me wrong, I've always been a fan of Robertson, but it just seems like a silly way to operate.
Everyone raves about Frazier, I find him and his swing to be unimpressive. I think someone said it before, simply because Sanchez and Judge have done well, that doesn't mean all our prospects are not tradeable. Rutherford trade is a direct result of making one trade too many last year. we ended up with a worse reliever and now Frazier needs to be better than Rutherford over their career or these two trades will be awful.
They're not getting rid of him, but he'a a part-time player now.
Trying to figure out who gets sent down with these moves - we're adding 3 to the 25 and subtracting one, so two need to be moved. Probably Cessa and either Choi or Cooper.
RP: Chapman, Dellin, Robertson, Kahnle, Warren, Green, Shreve
INF: Didi, Castro, Frazier, Headley, Toe, Cooper
OF: Judge, Frazier, Ells, Gardy
DH: Holliday
C: Sanchez, Romine
Wow. Sounds like it says something about how they feel about Betances right now, no?
I don't think so. Tethering relief pitchers to specific innings is a dopey fucking thing to do and not keeping Dellin as "the 8th inning guy" will actually make him more valuable.
Right. Won't shock me if both Cessa and Choi are DFA'd.
Refsnyder is worthless. He can't hit in the majors and every position he plays, he plays poorly. Frazier can play 1B in addition to 3B. So he thankfully would never be playing 1B anymore. And Wade as leaped Refsnyder as the utility guy who can play IF/OF. Wade can play more positions (SS and 3B), is a very good fielder, and younger with a higher ceiling.
Refsnyder is worthless. He can't hit in the majors and every position he plays, he plays poorly. Frazier can play 1B in addition to 3B. So he thankfully would never be playing 1B anymore. And Wade as leaped Refsnyder as the utility guy who can play IF/OF. Wade can play more positions (SS and 3B), is a very good fielder, and younger with a higher ceiling.
I'm pro letting Ref go as well.
+1.
Its not every day you make a trade for two good pitchers and send back a bad one. You can bitch about Headley , Ellsbury and 1B all you want, Clippard is the reason we're not in first place. In addition to the half dozen or so games he's blown, how often did Betances have to come in early to bail him out ?.
I am so glad to have Robertson back, Kahnle looks solid too. As far as I'm concerned, if Frazier is any good its gravy. Cashman addressed our biggest need: the bullpen
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Mets got bit with injury bug hard...can't really judge anything with that team this year. You have 3 Solid starters in DeGrom, Matz and Thor, iffy on Wheeler. Harvey lost it.
Never understood the Murphy trade. Guy had arguably the greatest post-season I've ever seen, and you trade him that year. I'm not trying to get at this but....it's the Mets.
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Kinda jealous what the Yanks are doing. Not a fan of Frazier but he is a good clubhouse guy that occasionally can hit the long ball. Kahnle is really good. He pitched an inning earlier this year at the stadium and struck the side out on 9 or 10 pitches. The Yanks (Cashman) get it. I think Yankee fans should have enough faith in their FO that they aren't overpaying,etc...On the other hand, as a NYM fan, you sit there and wonder what Alderson is thinking. We need to get into the game soon...real soon.
Mets got bit with injury bug hard...can't really judge anything with that team this year. You have 3 Solid starters in DeGrom, Matz and Thor, iffy on Wheeler. Harvey lost it.
Never understood the Murphy trade. Guy had arguably the greatest post-season I've ever seen, and you trade him that year. I'm not trying to get at this but....it's the Mets.
Nice post turd.
remind me again who the Mets traded Murphy for?
That was a dope team, but also remember in '96 it was Mo in 7 and 8 and then Wetteland in 9 (when he was apparently contractually obligated to put at least 1 man on base to make it interesting).
p.s.--I also wonder if this is a prelude to another trade that will include one or two from their bullpen and net them a starting pitcher. You don't need four pitchers with "closer ability" in your pen (although who knows, there was a time when it was thought you didn't need two closers in your pen).
...if you're a White Sox fan.
This trade didn't fill the team's biggest hole, but filling little holes can make just enough of a difference that instead of hosting a wild card game that's all or nothing for them, the Yankees are hosting a Red Sox team that had to start Sale in the wild card game.
The issue that raises eyebrows for me is the fact that the Yanks barely waited a year to trade Rutherford- especially after the big deal they made about him falling to them. What changed that made him expendable in their minds?
The fact that Robertson and Kahnle were let go by the Yankees seasons ago is not relevant. They always liked Robertson, it was about money. Kahnle has transformed himself quite a bit since then; different player from the one they cast aside.
Chapman
Betances
Robertson
Kahnle
Warren
Green
Shreve
That's a crew that can bail you out of a couple 4-5 inning starts.
I do wonder if they look to stretch out one of Green/Warren. Cessa isn't long for the 25-man, and could be gone altogether soon. For the immediate term, I'd like to see them give Mitchell 2-3 more stabs at the 5th spot (barring a trade for a SP)
Also frees up the idea of trading Betances, who is the kind of piece needed for a big time SP.
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Rutherford wasn't untradable, but why blow a premium asset like that and not get a legit starting pitcher in return? ChiSox really have an interesting farm to follow now
The issue that raises eyebrows for me is the fact that the Yanks barely waited a year to trade Rutherford- especially after the big deal they made about him falling to them. What changed that made him expendable in their minds?
I share your opinion. I know that Rutherford is a couple years away, but we haven't even begun to see his potential.
My only thought about the reasoning is that Rutherford (as good - even great - as he is) was being groomed for CF as LF and RF are going to be Frazier and Judge for the next decade or more. Rutherford is fast (in spite of his size) and was projected to be a 30-30 guy, but maybe not fast enough for CF.
In the end, I think the Yanks know they gave up a high ceiling gem, but for whatever reasons, thought this move will benefit the Yanks. It appears the Yanks are going to make the moves to get to the playoffs - the big crapshoot in which any team can take it all if they are hot at the right time, but you have to be in the playoffs to give it a shot. And we know the Baby Bombers can get hot - very hot. It's just a matter of when they do. I think their confidence is shaken a little since they took off like a rocket, but discovered the pain of untimely injuries and slumps.
I hope Rutherford does well in his new role and will be rooting for him except when he plays against the Yanks
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I'm just saying I don't look at it as a demotion
Maybe its a combo of both? Use Betances in a way he's better used at, coming in whenever. And give someone who was once here and has had success and is experienced the 8th inning? Two birds with one stone. It can't hurt to try.
Sure I can see that. Well said
I get that thy're worried about Chapman so they brought back Robertson, and if all healthy, Betances can fill an Andrew Miller Cleveland-like role, coming in whenever there is a fire.
I would rather have stayed put, used Caleb Smith some more, and kept Rutherford, because there is no guarantee that Fowler comes back as the same player after that horrid knee injury. The best thing about this deal is that it got Clippard off the roster, but they could have just DFAd him or dumped him on an NL contender.
-As some have mentioned Frazier was a secondary part of the deal, a rental corner bat to hopefully be an upgrade over what we are sending out there.
-the real key to this deal was the RP's. As I've said in many threads to the "awww shucks who cares if we are playing awful, the future is so bright!" crowd The real concern during this stretch has been Chappy and Betances because they are a big part of that future the next few years. This trade signals to me that Cash and the organization has lost some confidence in them going forward. Chappy has a long term deal, so he's not going anywhere, but I think this deal may start the progression and transition away from Betances.
Second, regarding how far from MLB ready Rutherford really was. Just as in finance discounted future cash flow and risk adjusted net present value is very important in valuing assets, we need to keep in mind that potential within a 1-2 year window has a much much higher probability of success than equal rated potential 3-4 years away.
This is especially true if you have young players at the MLB players ( Judge and Frazier) and alternatives in the farm system.
Just as we constantly debate the blend of need and best player available that dominates our thinking in NY Giants drafting commentary; we need to develop a blended approach somewhat between "all in for this year" and " bet on the potential of the prospects".
The risk adjusted calculus of betting on potential far away and the Rule 5 reality moves the framework for evaluating trades to no more than 2-3 years out ( once you have seen a brand new prospect in the system for a year).
Guys you know better after a one year sample size post draft but that still sit three years away or have less than good star MLB potential....are trade-able assets for average or better MLB players within the 1-3 year window.
They have his medicals, they have his make-up, they have his coach-ability. They have Chapmans loss of velocity within the last year. They know Betances control and inability to hold runners on makes him a tough 8th inning risk but a weapon if you still have a few at bats left on nights he is wild.
I think the team is better over the next 3 years.
We all may be over valuing prospects because Sanchez and Judge all of a sudden "got it" and showed that can happen. So can a Kaprelian and a Bird narrative. Or a Montero
Frazier has hit 91 HR's over the past 2 and a half seasons, Headley has hit 28 and Frazier's defensive advanced metrics are light years better than Headley. Of course Frazier K's too much and his BA sucks but in the past 3 seasons he's struck out about 370 times, Headley 340 times. If you think they are the same player I don't know what to say. Headley may be the worst everyday 3b in the AL.
Secondly, Ruthorford is in low A and while he is definitely a legit prospect, a lot can happen in the 3 years from now until he's potentially MLB ready. Potentially.
The Yankees have a shot. This isn't the final product, but you add a starter to this team and we have as good of a shot as anyone. Best lineup, best bullpen and a staff that has the potential. This team has always gone for it when they were this close and they will do that again, while still keeping an eye on the future. We are loaded in the minors and we can afford a move like this.
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have a Frazier, his name is Chase Headley.
Frazier has hit 91 HR's over the past 2 and a half seasons, Headley has hit 28 and Frazier's defensive advanced metrics are light years better than Headley. Of course Frazier K's too much and his BA sucks but in the past 3 seasons he's struck out about 370 times, Headley 340 times. If you think they are the same player I don't know what to say. Headley may be the worst everyday 3b in the AL.
He's not worth a top flight prospect like Rutherford. .210 is .210. He's not turning them into a WS favorite. And stuff your your snide remarks up your fucking ass.
As I stew about losing Rutherford, there is a glimmer of vengeful enjoyment knowing the Sox lost out, for which I am sure they are pissed. Had Boston made the deal, it probably would have made them a lock for winning the division for the next couple of years.
Also, I have been off the wagon on the Yanks pursuing Harper (and frankly, still am), but I think that issue comes back into play now. Personally, I hope we go all in on Machado and maybe even get Andrew Miller back. With all the money coming off the books and next years stellar free agent class, the Yanks can make some serious moves to be a lock for contention for the next half decade.
Or maybe Blake Rutherford ends up not being for real. Saw some perspective from the other side that the White Sox really didn't get enough. The other two prospects are essentially lottery tickets. So it really boils down to Rutherford for all three. He better be good or the deal looks bad for Chicago.
Works both ways.
Kahnle has been one of the best relievers in baseball this season. He replaces one of the worst in clippard. And he's team controlled for the next three seasons.
It also rankles me that they didn't want to pay Robertson $12 million per to be their closer, but now trade for him so they can pay him $12 million to set up. Don't get me wrong, I've always been a fan of Robertson, but it just seems like a silly way to operate.