NFT: Mets willing to pick up cash for better prospects

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In comment 13532082 Victor in CT said:

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Hopefully get some good young bullpen arms

Boston was looking for bullpen help. How about packaging one of Flores or TJ Rivera with Addison Reed?

What about Duda to Seattle?

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In comment 13532112 Chris684 said:

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Boston was looking for bullpen help. How about packaging one of Flores or TJ Rivera with Addison Reed? What about Duda to Seattle?

Seattle and Duda has been floated for a while. capone says we turned down a good offer for him 2 weeks ago. Damn.

and don't get a major league 1B back I wonder if Smith hits Queens before Rosario. I would not have bet on that before the season.

As I remember it, they're always conservative with call-ups, whether for super-two timing or just because of not wanting to push too hard.

for at least Reed, Duda and Bruce.

The rest of these veterans I'd move out here for very little.

In comment 13532132 Chris684 said:

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for at least Reed, Duda and Bruce. The rest of these veterans I'd move out here for very little.

Given the JD Martinez return I'm prepared to be disappointed. Still hope they move them for whatever they can get.

In comment 13532129 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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As I remember it, they're always conservative with call-ups, whether for super-two timing or just because of not wanting to push too hard.

come on man, what they're doing to Rosario is borderline malpractice.

Super 2 is been a non-factor for weeks, and they're out of the race so there will be no pressure, and he's in LV, a severe hitters park in a hitters league.

only reasons I can think of to keep him in the minors is the Cabrera story which I find dubious, to keep his AB's down so he can be rookie of the year in 2018 (like the Braves did with Swanson this year - how'd that work out so far?)

The last excuse Sandy gave was "the players are playing well" (meaning Cabrera and Reyes), so you there's no reason to bring him up.

as that you'll see him as soon as the sell off has been completed.

I'm sure they understand that Rosario, Smith and any days that deGrom or Thor pitch (when he comes back) will be the only days anyone will bother coming to see this team throughout the year.

Not saying I agree with it but it is probably a business decision at this point.

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In comment 13532149 gtt350 said:

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Why? He's a pending FA.

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red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix

How can he be scouted? On the bench?

In comment 13532153 DanMetroMan said:

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Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 2h2 hours ago More red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix

Cabrera and Reed for Groome.

I have to believe it will be Blevins that gets the best prospect in return. LH rp who can excel in big game moments who controlled for another season

I even wonder if the Mets will trade him.

Also whos the 3b of the future here Wilmer Flores or Gavin Cecchini?

In comment 13532158 Rory said:

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I have to believe it will be Blevins that gets the best prospect in return. LH rp who can excel in big game moments who controlled for another season I even wonder if the Mets will trade him. Also whos the 3b of the future here Wilmer Flores or Gavin Cecchini?

The Mets reportedly will hold on to Blevins. I don't like it but that's the word.

In comment 13532157 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13532153 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 2h2 hours ago More red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix Cabrera and Reed for Groome.

Without thinking twice.

In comment 13532158 Rory said:

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I have to believe it will be Blevins that gets the best prospect in return. LH rp who can excel in big game moments who controlled for another season I even wonder if the Mets will trade him. Also whos the 3b of the future here Wilmer Flores or Gavin Cecchini?

Hopefully we get a 3b prospect back in trade. Cecchini has been disappointing

to try and win the world series next year, don't they need Blevins?

is not a 3b, he won't even be in the mix for the position.

In comment 13532162 Metnut said:

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to try and win the world series next year, don't they need Blevins?

he's replaceable.

He wasn't even re-signed until a couple weeks before spring training, that's how much interest there was in him.

In comment 13532160 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13532157 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13532153 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 2h2 hours ago More red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix Cabrera and Reed for Groome. Without thinking twice.

Groome is a better prospect than Rutherford, so if the Sox gave up DRob, Kahnle and Frazier, Groome is going to take much more than Cabrera and Reed, I would think.

I wouldn't think twice because that's a great gamble however worth noting , BA just ranked Groome #87, Rutherford #36

In comment 13532169 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13532160 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13532157 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13532153 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 2h2 hours ago More red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix Cabrera and Reed for Groome. Without thinking twice. Groome is a better prospect than Rutherford, so if the Sox gave up DRob, Kahnle and Frazier, Groome is going to take much more than Cabrera and Reed, I would think.

My original proposal was Duda and Reed for Groome which is probably close to what CHW gave the Yankees. And Groome has off-field issues and an injury history, and Duda is better than Frazier, though Reed worse than Robertson, but stil good.

So I'd do Duda and Reed for Groome, but I guess the Sox like Moreland at 1B.

Infatuated with Blevins...just a solid lefty out of pen. The Mets need Smoker to develop and be in the 7th and 8th inning mix. He is pretty important as they go forward. If they deal Reed (which seems likely) the bullpen will need a complete overhaul.
I know you guys love Warthen but he certainly hasn't helped Matz...Robles has regressed as has Smoker.

Why would Boston want him to play 3B?

like Blevins but lets not lose track of the fact he's 34 in September, he's not some long term piece. He's also not some incredible bargain.

He can go with TC in the offseason.

His sliders might have destroyed their arms

In comment 13532190 brunswick said:

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Infatuated with Blevins...just a solid lefty out of pen. The Mets need Smoker to develop and be in the 7th and 8th inning mix. He is pretty important as they go forward. If they deal Reed (which seems likely) the bullpen will need a complete overhaul. I know you guys love Warthen but he certainly hasn't helped Matz...Robles has regressed as has Smoker.

Smoker is 28 and although he has good stuff he hasn't developed as they expected. Let him compete for a spot next year but the Mets would be foolish to go into next season depending on him to be an important piece of the pen.

with Blevins?

Did I miss something?

As I posted above they waited until 2 weeks before spring training started to even sign him.

with some exceptions as you get to the later-inning roles, I believe, like a lot of people do, that relievers are fungible.

and often not very reliable from a consistency standpoint year to year.

If someone came asking and I were Sandy, Blevins would be gone if the price was reasonable.

In comment 13532173 DanMetroMan said:

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I wouldn't think twice because that's a great gamble however worth noting , BA just ranked Groome #87, Rutherford #36

Law- Groome #20, Rutherford not in top 50
BP- Groome #43, Rutherford not in top 50

It really is interesting to see such disparity between various outlets

In comment 13532201 pjcas18 said:

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with Blevins? Did I miss something? As I posted above they waited until 2 weeks before spring training started to even sign him. with some exceptions as you get to the later-inning roles, I believe, like a lot of people do, that relievers are fungible. and often not very reliable from a consistency standpoint year to year. If someone came asking and I were Sandy, Blevins would be gone if the price was reasonable.

PJ reportedly they aren't willing to trade Blevins aka "not available".

In comment 13532202 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13532173 DanMetroMan said: Quote: I wouldn't think twice because that's a great gamble however worth noting , BA just ranked Groome #87, Rutherford #36 Law- Groome #20, Rutherford not in top 50 BP- Groome #43, Rutherford not in top 50 It really is interesting to see such disparity between various outlets

BA's list was updated on July 7. Groome did NOT make Law's mid-season top 50 from 6 days ago. So his stock is presumably down.

take it back, Groome moved up on Law's list, down on BA's list. His velocity has been down so it's likely why BA dropped him a bit.

but his dad was just arrested on heroin charges, terrible.

I'm selling off all FA's but I shudder to think of the return for Jay Bruce given the JDM deal. Superior player #Mets

out of all the veterans he has to deal. A lot of typically aggressive organizations with deep farm systems are buyers right now. We gave up Fulmer for a Cespedes rental. Last year, albeit with better players, Cashman got Frazier and Torres. Bruce, Duda, and Reed are solid players having good seasons that should be able to cumulatively bring back something of interest.

love to be wrong but I'm expecting to be disappointed.

In comment 13532233 DanMetroMan said:

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love to be wrong but I'm expecting to be disappointed.

I'm expecting the same unfortunately. Really unbelievable what Cashman was able to accomplish last year. Not to mention signing Chapman a few months later anyway.

Too much. I hope we get a few decent prospects but I'm not willing to sell these guys for garbage either. Duda and Bruce can both be offered a QO that will bring back a second rounder at the end of the year and quite frankly it might help us in negotiations to be bring them back if we want to keep somebody like Reed or Bruce next year. It's not a complete loss if they stick around IMO.

Sox shopping crappy Melky Cabrera, another OF on the market.

Walker is going to make it back a week or two too late. Would be nice if he could show he's healthy and hitting for a few days before the deadline but it might not happen.

In comment 13532240 ZGiants98 said:

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Too much. I hope we get a few decent prospects but I'm not willing to sell these guys for garbage either. Duda and Bruce can both be offered a QO that will bring back a second rounder at the end of the year and quite frankly it might help us in negotiations to be bring them back if we want to keep somebody like Reed or Bruce next year. It's not a complete loss if they stick around IMO.

Sometimes the prospects acquired aren't too sexy at the time of acquisition but they could turn out to be decent gets. I am sure you remember the Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe for John Gant and Rob Whalen. Gant developed nicely and was the centerpiece of the deal for Jaime Garcia and Whalen was part of the package for C Alex Jackson. The second trade of Kelly Johnson brought back AKeel Morris who has been excellent in AAA and has now cemented a spot in the Braves pen. I wasn't happy with either return at the time but now they turned out great.

has been unspeakably bad this season

There seems to be too many teams willing to sell but not enough demand. The lack of SP options is limited as well with Gray being the best available and he isn't even a front line starter.

In comment 13532257 DanMetroMan said:

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has been unspeakably bad this season

Yes he has been but he was excellent for the Braves in AA and AAA and the Mariners believed he could be a solid #4 or #5 pitcher.

Per Morosi the Indians were the only other team in on JDM so Jay Bruce isn't going to bring back much, I'd call the Indians I guess lol

The White Sox have called up Yoan Moncada.