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NFT: Mets willing to pick up cash for better prospects

CMicks3110 : 7/19/2017 8:23 am
refreshing to hear the Mets are really willing to get the best haul possible

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The Mets are willing to include cash in trades to secure better prospects, according to sources with knowledge of the teams thinking.
Outfielder Jay Bruce, for example, currently is owed more than $5 million for the rest of the season a significant payroll bump for even a high-revenue club.
Infielder Asdrubal Cabrera, meanwhile, has a $2 million buyout on his $8.5 million club option. The Mets likely would pick that up, knowing they would pay it anyway.
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RE: VANZ  
Rory : 7/19/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13532564 brunswick said:
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I agree. He has been extremely disappointing. He wanted Gomez instead of Cespedes. He was thinking about extending Walker for about 15M/year. He thought we had a major league 3B on the roster knowing the Wright situation. They talked all winter about adding right bat to the l/u and Sandy did nothing. The list can go on and on. I am pretty certain he will sign an extension and that would be typical Wilpons. They definitely need to get younger and more athletic going forward.


I think he anticipated the Wright thing but wanted to maintain the illusion that the captain will return but he gave himself 3 backups in Reyes Cabrera and Flores...
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DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13532559 Rory said:
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hope they look into Harrison at 3b for next season



Dan, I assume you mean Josh Harrison

Is he a FA?


Yeah Josh Harrison, he's apparently available via trade as the Pirates look to get younger (he's 30 next season) with 2 team options in 2019 and 2020. He's my #1 3b target. Love the fact he can play multiple positions.
Are  
DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 2:40 pm : link
we really going to have to deal with this Wright crap again this off-season/next season? I'm going to lose my mind if they even quasi pretend he's the 3b or he's the 1b.
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 2:40 pm : link
Norris is actually doing a pretty nice job closing for LAA right now.
RE: Legit  
Rory : 7/19/2017 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13532565 DanMetroMan said:
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potential depth are guys like

De La Rosa
Niese (I despise Niese just giving an example)
Gee
Edwin Jackson
Bud Norris

Guys with some level of MLB success in recent years not absolute garbage or guys who are 35 without any success in years. Knowing that you graduated/traded a bunch of arms shouldn't = "eh whatever lets just have trash at AAA/AA and not worry about it"


An Orioles fan friend of mine is insistent that Chris Tillman is a elite setup man / closer in waiting and just hasn't realized it yet. 10 mil 3 years would do it.
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DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13532571 arcarsenal said:
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Norris is actually doing a pretty nice job closing for LAA right now.


I mean anyone with a brain (not aimed at you ZGiants) can identify guys who do X well or have had some success in recent memory and add a few of them but Gorzallany and his "new" delivery at 35. You can still add them, just not in lieu of actual guys who may have a shot.
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DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 2:52 pm : link
Yikes. Potentially further TOS surgery for Phil Hughes. He and Harvey have not responded well to this #Mets
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13532578 DanMetroMan said:
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Norris is actually doing a pretty nice job closing for LAA right now.



I mean anyone with a brain (not aimed at you ZGiants) can identify guys who do X well or have had some success in recent memory and add a few of them but Gorzallany and his "new" delivery at 35. You can still add them, just not in lieu of actual guys who may have a shot.


I agree

I think organizations should be more open-minded with pitchers and what their future roles are. I think sometimes orgs try to force certain guys to be starters or relievers and are too rigid in their approach.

A lot of excellent closers are guys who were not good SP's - and yet closers and even top-tier relievers in general have become so valuable.

Obviously I would never try to make Noah Syndergaard a closer but who knows, maybe guys like Gsellman or Wheeler would make better relievers down the road.
Flexen  
DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 3:06 pm : link
Curious to see BA's top 10 list where Flexen is "only" in the 6-10 range.. guessing they are betting on guys with disappointing 17's
Mentioned above about Metsies  
brunswick : 7/19/2017 3:11 pm : link
Getting more athletic. ..right now their most athletic starter is probably Conforto (with Cespedes always banged up). Conforto is definitely an underrated athlete but that speaks volumes for the work the FO has this off season.
according to Statcast  
CMicks3110 : 7/19/2017 3:16 pm : link
Conforto's sprint speed this year is 27.7 ft/s, for comparison, jose reyes is 27.8 ft/s, and conforto in 2016 was at 26.9 ft/s, so he has increased his speed significantly
If we trade Bruce I hope we can trade Granderson too  
ZGiants98 : 7/19/2017 3:45 pm : link
I legit would love to see Nimmo get a real run in the OF for a couple months.
Sucks  
DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 3:50 pm : link
how cold the Bruce market apparently is. Bad year to have CO's to offer.
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Vanzetti : 7/19/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13532557 arcarsenal said:
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I think DePo was a major loss for this franchise.


Absolutely.

Look at the Mets moves from 2010 to end of 2015: Thor, Wheeler, TDA, Blevins, Reed, Cespedes. A+moves

Then look after DePo left: Grade F.

It's night and day.
Get  
DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 4:07 pm : link
healthy, get traded

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Walker gearing up for rehab games this weekend.
I'm ready to move on from Sandy and Terry  
Chris684 : 7/19/2017 4:07 pm : link
Just about the only thing I want to remain the same next year from right now is Thor, Jake, Matz, YC, Conforto and Familia (although he makes me mad in the playoffs).

You can count Smith and Rosario in, and other than that give me new leadership, a new manager and staff, and a revamped lineup and bullpen.
he gets shit on  
pjcas18 : 7/19/2017 4:10 pm : link
b/c he took risks, made sketchy trades (Heath Bell, Lindstrom, etc.), had a stormy relationship with the press, and had the awful 2007/2008 drafts but Omar had some solid drafts.

Minaya was GM for the Harvey, deGrom, Matz, Duda, Murphy
Niese, draft picks and more and added FA's like Beltran, Delgado, Pedro, Wagner, etc.

RE: RE: Sandy has been awful the last two off seasons  
Vanzetti : 7/19/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13532563 Rory said:
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It is obvious and not even debatable. If you don't see it, it's because you are looking the rose colored glasses of a fan.

But the real question is whether letting Murph go, giving Walker 17 m and ignoring the pen and starter depth, signing the likes of Salas, DeAza and Bastado--were these just individual errors in judgment or are they the product of an antiquated baseball philosophy?

Or to put it another way: will Sandy self-assess and adapt his approach or will he stubbornly try to win with what appears to be a 1990s philosophy?

Personally I think the Mets need younger blood so I would not resign either Terry or Sandy. The contracts of both are up so why not just get a fresh start?



I think the word awful is a little much...

Or were you one of those HO-HUM fans when he got Cesp at a 100 mill 4 year deal , resigned Blevins and with increased optimism picked up the option on Neil Walker ...


He did not pick up "the option" on Walker. He offered Walker arbitration and, yes, that was a terrible move. No way in hell any team was offering Walker anywhere near 17 million, especially coming off back surgery. So, it was quite likely he would accept.

Plus, Flores, Cabrera, Riveria, and Cecchini can all play 2B. Zero need for Walker at 17 million. That money should have been spent on the pen and/or starter depth.

And the fact that any fan would cite Walker at 17 mill as a "good" move, shows how much you are thinking as a fan. If another organization did that, you would be laughing your ass off.

would you all re-sign bruce?  
CMicks3110 : 7/19/2017 4:16 pm : link
even if he's traded, he's proven he can perform in NY, is good in the clubhouse, and given the demand for COs, probably won't be tooo expensive. Conforto, Ces, Bruce OF next year woudl work for me
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 4:18 pm : link
prefer Cain if the money is close. Cespedes-Cain-Conforto
If the Mets  
pjcas18 : 7/19/2017 4:20 pm : link
cannot trade Bruce this year I'd offer him a QO and hope he accepts. A 1 year deal would be good for him since the Mets don't have any OF options pushing him, I don't think there are many good FA options, and Conforto, Cespedes and Bruce is a good hitting OF, but I don't want him on a long-term deal.
I too prefer Cain  
Chris684 : 7/19/2017 4:21 pm : link
MC is a corner OFer.

I give Bruce alot of credit for bouncing back here after awful start. He deserves a decent contract, I just hope it's not from Mets.
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capone : 7/19/2017 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13532551 DanMetroMan said:
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Could probably name 20 SP who signed minor league deals who on paper looked like potential MLB depth. Gorzallaney not even close to that.


DMM - you have an opinion on Marco Gonzales?
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DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13532674 capone said:
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Could probably name 20 SP who signed minor league deals who on paper looked like potential MLB depth. Gorzallaney not even close to that.



DMM - you have an opinion on Marco Gonzales?


He's been unable to stay healthy which has held him back. He has a shot to be a mid-rotation type. People rave about his CU, sometimes these plus CU guys surprise. I'd say 3-4 SP upside but he has to stay healthy otherwise he's not an MLBer.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
personally ready for Sandy to move on. He's never really shown an inclination to make minor deals for interesting guys and I think a younger guy might be more in tune. The Mariners for instance swapped Karns for Dyson and Dyson is very quietly one of the more underrated players in baseball.
RE: I'm  
capone : 7/19/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13532681 DanMetroMan said:
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personally ready for Sandy to move on. He's never really shown an inclination to make minor deals for interesting guys and I think a younger guy might be more in tune. The Mariners for instance swapped Karns for Dyson and Dyson is very quietly one of the more underrated players in baseball.


He has the highest WAR on the team I believe , what do you Think is a fair deal for him say 2 years ?
I wonder if Sandy  
pjcas18 : 7/19/2017 4:37 pm : link
retires and the Browns flame out (again), if DePo is offered the job and comes back.

RE: I'm  
Shecky : 7/19/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13532681 DanMetroMan said:
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personally ready for Sandy to move on. He's never really shown an inclination to make minor deals for interesting guys and I think a younger guy might be more in tune. The Mariners for instance swapped Karns for Dyson and Dyson is very quietly one of the more underrated players in baseball.


Hate saying it, because he did all the right things (he meant well). But he stayed on a year too much. This offseason it is a an again unathletic team in transition, with little help on the way once Dom and Rosario are promoted. A far cry from "sustained success".
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DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13532683 capone said:
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personally ready for Sandy to move on. He's never really shown an inclination to make minor deals for interesting guys and I think a younger guy might be more in tune. The Mariners for instance swapped Karns for Dyson and Dyson is very quietly one of the more underrated players in baseball.



He has the highest WAR on the team I believe , what do you Think is a fair deal for him say 2 years ?


He's a very hard player to gauge. I was actually shocked myself how well he grades vs. other OF's. I knew he was somewhat underrated but he's been an above average regular multiple times. Had no idea.
It would have taken guts  
Chris684 : 7/19/2017 4:53 pm : link
and I admit that I have never been a big Harvey fan but I wanted to see Alderson move Harvey right after the WS.

His value was still sky high after proving himself post TJS and I think there had been enough evidence up to that point that he and the organization maybe werent going to see eye to eye, especially with Boras involved.

Would have been bold, but that was the move.
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DanMetroMan : 7/19/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13532689 Shecky said:
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personally ready for Sandy to move on. He's never really shown an inclination to make minor deals for interesting guys and I think a younger guy might be more in tune. The Mariners for instance swapped Karns for Dyson and Dyson is very quietly one of the more underrated players in baseball.



Hate saying it, because he did all the right things (he meant well). But he stayed on a year too much. This offseason it is a an again unathletic team in transition, with little help on the way once Dom and Rosario are promoted. A far cry from "sustained success".


The guy has had an incredible career and deserves his accolades I just think it's time for someone with a bit more energy/foresight. League is moving toward more athletes and the Mets don't seem eager to follow.
RE: RE: Pleaae don't trade Bruce  
gtt350 : 7/19/2017 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13532152 DanMetroMan said:
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resign him

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Why? He's a pending FA.
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capone : 7/19/2017 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13532692 DanMetroMan said:
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personally ready for Sandy to move on. He's never really shown an inclination to make minor deals for interesting guys and I think a younger guy might be more in tune. The Mariners for instance swapped Karns for Dyson and Dyson is very quietly one of the more underrated players in baseball.



He has the highest WAR on the team I believe , what do you Think is a fair deal for him say 2 years ?



He's a very hard player to gauge. I was actually shocked myself how well he grades vs. other OF's. I knew he was somewhat underrated but he's been an above average regular multiple times. Had no idea.


How much for 2 years would you pay ? Powerful tool in a four-man rotation if he doesn't start versus lefties you bringi him in off the bench against right-handers or as a pinch-hitter
RE: would you all re-sign bruce?  
Rflairr : 7/19/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13532665 CMicks3110 said:
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even if he's traded, he's proven he can perform in NY, is good in the clubhouse, and given the demand for COs, probably won't be tooo expensive. Conforto, Ces, Bruce OF next year woudl work for me


No thanks. Conforto needs to be on one of the corners. And they need to start getting serious about defense. Especially playing in this ballpark
The OFer  
pjcas18 : 7/19/2017 5:49 pm : link
I'd try and acquire is Stanton, I just don't think the Mets have the pieces since I wouldn't want to give up Rosario or Thor.

I do believe despite what they say the Marlins will shop Stanton.

and now is the time to do it. they have the cheap years over and he's now owed $285M in the next 10 years (pending the opt out).
the mets  
CMicks3110 : 7/19/2017 6:06 pm : link
wouldn't have to give up a lot for Stanton because of that contract, no way would we give roario for stanton.
RE: the mets  
BigBlueShock : 7/19/2017 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13532740 CMicks3110 said:
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wouldn't have to give up a lot for Stanton because of that contract, no way would we give roario for stanton.

You don't think they'd have to give up a lot for Stanton? Haha, yeah, ok.
Stanton would absolutely cost a ton  
pjcas18 : 7/19/2017 6:12 pm : link
even with the contract.

I wouldn't trade Rosario only because I think he can be an MVP type too, but a package for Stanton even with his contract would START with a Rosario like prospect.

the Mets just don't have that right now.

The White Sox could trade for Stanton.
Why trade for Stanton  
spike : 7/19/2017 7:29 pm : link
When we can resign Bruce?

Stanton is not a difference maker to deserve that large contracting
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 7:35 pm : link
I like the idea of Cain more than re-signing Bruce.

I don't want to keep forcing Conforto out of a CO spot. He really shouldn't be playing CF on a regular basis even though I think he could probably handle it passably if necessary.
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 7:59 pm : link
7-0, Metsies in the 2nd inning and the bases are still loaded.

We're back, baby!
Hold the phones Sandy  
spike : 7/19/2017 8:15 pm : link
The Mets r back and on fire
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 8:31 pm : link
Seems like every time there's no game thread, the Mets score a ton of runs and win.
It's a special kind of feeling  
Stufftherun : 7/19/2017 8:51 pm : link
to see two ex-Mets leading the league in BA.
would you re-sign reyes  
CMicks3110 : 7/19/2017 8:51 pm : link
as a utility player next year? 1 year 3-4 mil? mentor rosario, has been playing real well lately.
RE: It's a special kind of feeling  
pjcas18 : 7/19/2017 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13532854 Stufftherun said:
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to see two ex-Mets leading the league in BA.

who is the other one besides Murphy?
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 8:57 pm : link
I actually would be interested in Reyes for 1 more year as long as it was made clear that the SS job is Rosario's.
RE: RE: It's a special kind of feeling  
Stufftherun : 7/19/2017 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13532856 pjcas18 said:
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to see two ex-Mets leading the league in BA.


who is the other one besides Murphy?


Turner officially qualifies now with his gaudy .370 BA
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2017 9:05 pm : link
Turner - Rosario - Murphy - Smith/Duda/Whoever

Could have been a hell of an infield.

But it's just 20/20 hindsight. I irrationally hated Turner when he was here and never thought he was anything special and I wasn't even that bummed about losing Murphy.

Of course both guys went on to be two of the better hitters in the NL... because Mets. Why the fuck not.
Not a Mets fan but why do they play AAA ball in Vegas?  
DennyInDenville : 7/19/2017 9:07 pm : link
Seems kind of far and like a bad spot logistically

I Always wondered this
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