NFT: Mets willing to pick up cash for better prospects

can sign on as a closer somewhere but why do the Mets HAVE to trade Reed and Bruce? Bruce literally is having his best season here and it doesn't take much Mets fan experience to know how likely it is that a guy comes here to suck instead of vice versa. i think its always smart to keep any athlete that is in his prime so to speak and proves they can play in NY. Its an important variable not many people discuss enough. Forget slotting guys for now, can someone explain logically why the Mets can't keep these guys and just be right back in the thick of it next year? Next year it'll be "man we need a 35HR corner oF....and a 8th inning guy".

In comment 13533043 SethFromAstoria said:

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can sign on as a closer somewhere but why do the Mets HAVE to trade Reed and Bruce? Bruce literally is having his best season here and it doesn't take much Mets fan experience to know how likely it is that a guy comes here to suck instead of vice versa. i think its always smart to keep any athlete that is in his prime so to speak and proves they can play in NY. Its an important variable not many people discuss enough. Forget slotting guys for now, can someone explain logically why the Mets can't keep these guys and just be right back in the thick of it next year? Next year it'll be "man we need a 35HR corner oF....and a 8th inning guy".

They are impending FA's so we can always sign if we wanted. In the meantime we can trade them to get assets for the future.

by the Yankees getting Frazier back here. Mets should have traded peanuts for him over a year ago. Yankees got 3 guys who may make any managers job easier

he was a 29 year old journeyman when they non-tendered him and he looked like a troll doll, he just pissed me off every time I saw him and where was he going to play?

They had Wright not far removed from an MVP type season and more recently an all-star appearance, Murphy and Duda, if Turner was on the Mets he would have been a utility player and they never would have found out he was LA Dodgers Justin Turner.

I blame no one for that and I'm not going to revisit Murphy for the billionth time. sucks both players are doing so well for other teams but the decisions were both correct at the time.

the Reds traded Turner for a bag of balls and the Orioles DFA'd him. The Mets got him as a 25 year old waiver pick up.

The Dodgers only even signed him to a minor league deal after the Mets non-tendered him, so it's not like it was a big controversial decision.

Turner and Murphy in the lineup would certainly help the team though so no denial from me there.

We have no position to play him. Conforto isn't a CF and neither is Cespedes. We really want to sit Conforto or Cespedes to get Bruce ABs? We want to pay Bruce $17M to be a 4th OF? It's just a shitty allocation of resources.

the Mets do not have at CF. So if they miss out on FA's like Cain and don't acquire anyone in a trade, then who plays CF? Lagares? I don't think so.

If they do miss out on Cain then like I said above I'd make the QO to Bruce (which I suspect they should do anyway and hope he accepts it) and have Conforto play CF.

You do not give a player like Bruce a long-term deal IMO, but the Mets can absolutely win a World Series with an OF of Cespedes, Conforto, and Bruce....if the pitching holds up.

In comment 13532873 DennyInDenville said:

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Seems kind of far and like a bad spot logistically I Always wondered this

Lack of options. Before this it was new Orleans.

that no one else in MLB seems to want Jay Bruce. We can count on him being one of the worst defenders in MLB but we can't count on him repeating (or even continuing) his 2017 offense or staying healthy.

The Mets couldn't deal him this offseason despite trying hard to do so, and it looks like their is little interest from any contender in trading for him at the deadline. Why is he such a better fit here, especially when we already have two other corner OFs who need to play every day?

I'm fine with signing a bat-first type of OF as a sort of injury insurance, but there's no need to pay $18M to make that guy Jay Bruce. Lagares looked pretty good before he got hurt, and his CF defense alone makes him a solid play.

Don't look now, but a scorching month and he's got some really impressive numbers. Most importantly he's driving the ball a bit better. And for Dan, we're still subtracting one HR ;)

In comment 13533209 Shecky said:

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Don't look now, but a scorching month and he's got some really impressive numbers. Most importantly he's driving the ball a bit better. And for Dan, we're still subtracting one HR ;)

Shecky, it's exciting that he's producing some XBH!!

I'm looking forward to him joining the team. He's the future at 1B, but we shouldn't discredit the production Duda is giving us.

In comment 13533209 Shecky said:

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Don't look now, but a scorching month and he's got some really impressive numbers. Most importantly he's driving the ball a bit better. And for Dan, we're still subtracting one HR ;)

That's really exciting to see!

But be also always been what felt like the lone Dom fan. So take any optimism I have regarding him with a grain of salt. Since he's near promotion, and Flexen is being Flexen, the next guy I annoy everyone around here with is Alonso

And no, I haven't forgotten about a certain guy behind the dish. I'll always annoy everyone about him...

In comment 13533224 Shecky said:

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But be also always been what felt like the lone Dom fan. So take any optimism I have regarding him with a grain of salt. Since he's near promotion, and Flexen is being Flexen, the next guy I annoy everyone around here with is Alonso And no, I haven't forgotten about a certain guy behind the dish. I'll always annoy everyone about him...

Shecky, do you have Twitter? I follow Astromets31 it's a GREAT follow. I get full updates and videos on all minors while it happens, and great recaps.

In comment 13533224 Shecky said:

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But be also always been what felt like the lone Dom fan. So take any optimism I have regarding him with a grain of salt. Since he's near promotion, and Flexen is being Flexen, the next guy I annoy everyone around here with is Alonso And no, I haven't forgotten about a certain guy behind the dish. I'll always annoy everyone about him...

Maybe you are the lone Plawecki fan, but there have been many Dom Smith fans on here. A lot of Mets beat writers/bloggers have said Smith will never duplicate Duda's offense, and maybe they're right about HR's (who knows) but when you compare their similarly aged minor league seasons, Smith wins every comparison.

Plus factor in $$$, and value, I said this a couple days ago if Duda is traded Smith could see Queens before Rosario.

And I would have bet a lot of money against that a year ago.

In comment 13533229 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13533224 Shecky said: Quote: But be also always been what felt like the lone Dom fan. So take any optimism I have regarding him with a grain of salt. Since he's near promotion, and Flexen is being Flexen, the next guy I annoy everyone around here with is Alonso And no, I haven't forgotten about a certain guy behind the dish. I'll always annoy everyone about him... Maybe you are the lone Plawecki fan, but there have been many Dom Smith fans on here. A lot of Mets beat writers/bloggers have said Smith will never duplicate Duda's offense, and maybe they're right about HR's (who knows) but when you compare their similarly aged minor league seasons, Smith wins every comparison. Plus factor in $$$, and value, I said this a couple days ago if Duda is traded Smith could see Queens before Rosario. And I would have bet a lot of money against that a year ago.

Catchers have become a black hole for about a decade. Lo Duca's last year here was 2007??

I was excited for d'Arnaud, Plawlecki (sp?), now Nido.. but hell..can ONE live up to expectations??

It all started when writers were all copying one persons write up of calling him fat and lazy. Yeah, he was fat. I defended the lazy part.

Too old for twitter and blogs etc. I get their value, and for fans it's an incredible opportunity, but it's just not me. I always prefer to make up my own mind and opinion (whether right or wrong) before being tainted by another narrative.

was as advertised (a top 20 prospect), but between injures and poor play he hasn't.

I wanted Plawecki to succeed, and I hope Nido does, but Shecky is President and Vice President of the Kevin Plawecki fan club.

He takes fandom to a whole new level.

Yet alone predict.
I gave my "catching kiss of death" to Ali back in the GCL lol - perhaps my earliest death knell.

my whole youth, 1B were hefty. Not all.. Keith and Mattingly, for example, were fit.

Why is it such a big deal NOW? Keith & Ron are right.. these players are TOO fit. That's why they're always hurt.

In comment 13533236 pjcas18 said:

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was as advertised (a top 20 prospect), but between injures and poor play he hasn't. I wanted Plawecki to succeed, and I hope Nido does, but Shecky is President and Vice President of the Kevin Plawecki fan club. He takes fandom to a whole new level.

I can't wait till he Justin Turners us somewhere else so I can finally say "see, told you so" lol

In comment 13533235 Shecky said:

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It all started when writers were all copying one persons write up of calling him fat and lazy. Yeah, he was fat. I defended the lazy part. Too old for twitter and blogs etc. I get their value, and for fans it's an incredible opportunity, but it's just not me. I always prefer to make up my own mind and opinion (whether right or wrong) before being tainted by another narrative.

Did you see the recent scout notes made public?

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Dominic Smith? "Overweight, out of shape, moves like he's 50 [years old]."

I said before I hope he becomes a cross between Prince Fielder and Mo Vaughn. I don't need Willie Mays Hayes playing 1B, as long as he can play 150+ games I don't care.

In comment 13533244 Shecky said:

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In comment 13533236 pjcas18 said: Quote: was as advertised (a top 20 prospect), but between injures and poor play he hasn't. I wanted Plawecki to succeed, and I hope Nido does, but Shecky is President and Vice President of the Kevin Plawecki fan club. He takes fandom to a whole new level. I can't wait till he Justin Turners us somewhere else so I can finally say "see, told you so" lol

best case is for him to set some minor league records.

In comment 13533247 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13533235 Shecky said: Quote: It all started when writers were all copying one persons write up of calling him fat and lazy. Yeah, he was fat. I defended the lazy part. Too old for twitter and blogs etc. I get their value, and for fans it's an incredible opportunity, but it's just not me. I always prefer to make up my own mind and opinion (whether right or wrong) before being tainted by another narrative. Did you see the recent scout notes made public? Quote: Dominic Smith? "Overweight, out of shape, moves like he's 50 [years old]." I said before I hope he becomes a cross between Prince Fielder and Mo Vaughn. I don't need Willie Mays Hayes playing 1B, as long as he can play 150+ games I don't care.

Give me Kent Hrbek production out of the big guy!!!

Ramierez designated.

netted 4 prospects from Seattle.

Addison Reed should bring back a nice return.

In comment 13533261 feelflows said:

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netted 4 prospects from Seattle. Addison Reed should bring back a nice return.

including

Joel Sherman "Hear 1 player #Marlins are getting from #mariners in trade is A-level OF Brayan Hernandez"

but regardless of outcome it creates a lot of frustration. Just 1 time can he be proactive and make an aggressive a move a little too soon instead of way too late?

In what seems like an annual tradition per @MattEhalt there has been "limited" interest in Jay Bruce #Mets

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netted 4 prospects from Seattle. Addison Reed should bring back a nice return.

Phelps has more value than anyone the Mets have to offer.

that a team called the Mets to ask about TJ Rivera and that the Mets asked for an obscene price.

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In comment 13533261 feelflows said: Quote: netted 4 prospects from Seattle. Addison Reed should bring back a nice return. Phelps has more value than anyone the Mets have to offer.

Only because Phelps is under control in 2018, for a win-now team Reed is a better pitcher than Phelps and should still net a decent return.

In comment 13533329 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13533310 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13533261 feelflows said: Quote: netted 4 prospects from Seattle. Addison Reed should bring back a nice return. Phelps has more value than anyone the Mets have to offer. Only because Phelps is under control in 2018, for a win-now team Reed is a better pitcher than Phelps and should still net a decent return.

For sure. But 1.5 years of control beats .5 a year and Phelps didn't really bring back a sexy package as it is. Phelps also potentially can be viewed as a rotation piece next season if Seattle wants go to that way. The best piece they got was a bonus baby who has yet to do much. Seattle made a solid move here despite the hubbub over "4 prospects for Phelps?!?

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that a team called the Mets to ask about TJ Rivera and that the Mets asked for an obscene price.

Very silly.

In comment 13533335 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13533329 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13533310 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13533261 feelflows said: Quote: netted 4 prospects from Seattle. Addison Reed should bring back a nice return. Phelps has more value than anyone the Mets have to offer. Only because Phelps is under control in 2018, for a win-now team Reed is a better pitcher than Phelps and should still net a decent return. For sure. But 1.5 years of control beats .5 a year and Phelps didn't really bring back a sexy package as it is. Phelps also potentially can be viewed as a rotation piece next season if Seattle wants go to that way. The best piece they got was a bonus baby who has yet to do much. Seattle made a solid move here despite the hubbub over "4 prospects for Phelps?!?

I agree, I just think getting one of a teams top 10 prospects for Reed isn't out of the question.

and IMO that would be a similar return.

Mets gave up Casey Meisner for Clippard and Reed is probably better than Clippard and I don't remember exactly where Meisner was slotted in the mets top prospects, but he was also 20 years old.

If the Mets get a 20 year top 10-ish prospect for Reed (not top 10 in baseball, top 10 for a team) I'd think that's fair and similar.

And I'd then hope the Mets re-sign Reed.

no disagreement here. They should be able to land a top 10 prospect for Reed. I just think the reaction to "4 prospects" is a little much. The Mets could trade 10 "prospects" in a deal and still not give up much. Hernandez is the best piece they gave up and he's 19 and very, very far away.

so would be nice to re-sign but I'm not sure keeping him really enhances our chances that much.

Duda today.

a top 4-7 prospect for Reed from a solid system or a top 3-5 prospect from a weaker system. Maybe a prospect that's somewhere in the top 125-175 in MLB?

"Some believe they (Cleveland Indians) could become interested in Jay Bruce, who’s having a terrific season in New York."

also.. has anyone ever noticed what a Mets hater Heyman is? Even during their WS run 2 years ago. I know he was a Newsday(??) beat writer. Did they wrong him??

would love to deal Bruce to Cleveland but they DO have 3 lefty hitting OF's so it's a tough fit. They do have some solid prospects.

is obviously not a 3B

Lugo looks like a guy who can definitely be a solution. I thought Gsellman was going to be the better of the two, but Lugo has been pretty damn impressive.

Ask for Michael Chavis from Boston, they have Devers so might be willing to move him #Mets

another good start or two before the deadline, I wonder if he's someone a team like the Brewers, Indians or Yankees (maybe with Duda) might be willing to pay for at the deadline.

Of course, given the health of our pitchers, we probably would need to keep him.

Thor,DeGrom,Wheeler and Lugo = 1,2,4 and 5. I would deal Matz and look for a middle of the rotation SP

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another good start or two before the deadline, I wonder if he's someone a team like the Brewers, Indians or Yankees (maybe with Duda) might be willing to pay for at the deadline. Of course, given the health of our pitchers, we probably would need to keep him.

His partially torn UCL will scare many teams away

he obviously doesn't have the arm for 3B.. why not put him at 2B?

Put Cabrera at 3B?

Seems to make sense.

In comment 13533440 DanMetroMan said:

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would love to deal Bruce to Cleveland but they DO have 3 lefty hitting OF's so it's a tough fit. They do have some solid prospects.

I wonder what we'd have to add to get Mejia. Are they also in the market for relievers? Would adding Reed hold any value? TDA?

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he obviously doesn't have the arm for 3B.. why not put him at 2B? Put Cabrera at 3B? Seems to make sense.

Rivera played a solid 2B down the stretch during last year's playoff run. Would be great to see what we have with him for the rest of this season after the deadline. Hopefully they don't give Walker all of those ABs (after the deadline).

like it could use Bowman.

looked pretty good.