can be brought in for depth. He's now 2 years removed from surgery, so he should be in better shape than last year, imo. Whether he's toast or en route to being, hopefully the Giants will have enough interest to see..
I still think they should have taken one of the many CBs and Ss that went in Round 3 after they took Webb.They are going to need another top CB. Cromartie is a year older and always has some nagging injury. And FS is still a huge ?.
Webb had better be a real threat to be Eli's replacement and not be Ryan Nassib.
I'd like to see some of the players we already have step up.
Guys like Michael Hunter and the oft-injured Mykkele Thompson. I don't expect the Giants to pursue any free agent CBs until they have a good read on what they have in-house.
At safety, as much as I like Jadar Johnson, if Darian Thompson and Andrew Adams are both healthy, I don't think Johnson will make the final 53 unless the Giants keep five safeties. Three free safeties and no strong safety backup to Collins doesn't seem right (unless they figure Thompson or Adams could do double-duty). I figure Pinkins has the inside track for the 4th safety spot because of his versatility. Personally, I want no part of Nat Berhe and his "nobody lives forever" attitude.
It looks like the Giants have some talented young players at CB and Safety. Normally I'm not a rosetint fan. Yet looking back on last season there is good reason to believe with a year of experience these young players can continue to grow. At CB just like stated here Apple wasn't great but he had a good rookie season. Same can be said for Adams. He started out rocky didn't make out standing plays. He did grow into the position. He was undrafted rookie who ended up with a good season for a rookie. Even if he is beaten out for the starting spot. Based on last season he should add quality dept to the position
The kid needs a year on the practice squad to work on his tackling skills.
And the G-men need a back up physical safety (I hate to use the word strong safety because the GIANTS safeties are more or less interchangeable, but there's always one guy who figures more prominently in the run game) so it's Berhe or Pinkins instead of Johnson.
Or maybe even both of them on the roster if they think Pinkins can contribute more as a 5th S, special teamer, and emergency LB than somebody else who is a 9th OL or a 7th pure LB or a pure FB or an extra TE.
to cut Berhe. He's a baller & easily the 3rd best S on the team. Very good special teams player. Starting ability. His only question - and this is no different than any other player - is health. If he's healthy he makes the team easy.
and enjoy this because I can't remember ever having the best secondary in the NFL. Not only is that the case right now but it's the best in recent memory. Even the Legion of Boom wasn't able to field 5 studs simultaneously.
on a bit around here. Maybe I didn't focus on his game much? I figured he's closer to a lock on the bubble giving his experience and adequate performance... I'll be looking at him in the preseason I guess.
...it's just that you need to be realistic: he didn't do much of anything other than reasonably maintain the integrity of the D. I'm sure Spags had some scheme restraints trying to protect him too. Not intended to pick on him, just an honest evaluation of his play. You can't just say Giants D = good so Andrew Adams = good.
S is a position where you should make splash plays because you're unblocked (free to run to the ball). Adams showed no signs of making those kind of plays. Contrast that to Berhe, who injected a physicality into the game whenever he was on the field. Not only is he a big hitter he reads plays quickly so he's always lurking. RB, WR, TE - you better f#cking know where Nat Berhe is.
All that said - I do think Adams is a solid #4 on merit and still young. I see Pinkins making it as a 5th S/6th CB/6th LB who has also shown an excellent special teams set.
to cut Berhe. He's a baller & easily the 3rd best S on the team. Very good special teams player. Starting ability. His only question - and this is no different than any other player - is health. If he's healthy he makes the team easy.
Its a little bit different than any other player in the sense that he has had multiple head injuries and has a vicious style of play that lends himself to injuring himself again. If Nat can learn to play under control and tackle properly so to not put his head at risk, the guy has the talent to be the 3rd Safety.
He's already said he's not going to change his style. I didn't make up the "nobody lives forever" quote - those were his words. He was bitching last year about getting stuck in the league's concussion protocol (and this was after three weeks of headaches).
But it's not just his casual disregard for his own health that troubles me (even if it doesn't trouble him), it's the fact that, as the old saying goes, "the best ability is availability," and Berhe has yet to show that he understands that. It doesn't matter to me how much talent he has if he's on IR or back in the concussion protocol again.
on a bit around here. Maybe I didn't focus on his game much? I figured he's closer to a lock on the bubble giving his experience and adequate performance... I'll be looking at him in the preseason I guess.
If your looking for him, he usually will come into your tv-screen view about 2 seconds after the play is over...
on a bit around here. Maybe I didn't focus on his game much? I figured he's closer to a lock on the bubble giving his experience and adequate performance... I'll be looking at him in the preseason I guess.
If your looking for him, he usually will come into your tv-screen view about 2 seconds after the play is over...
And agree, I pick on him.
I looked at his stats, in 14 games (13 starts) he had 1 int, 30 tackles, and 5 passes defended.
Which is below the output from Landon Collins rookie season and well below Landon Collins last year. Of course, Landon Collins is an all-pro safety. Okay, I'm a bit more on board now. I hope Darian Thompson comes back.
He could have been excellent in man coverage or in the right spots and the QB could have just chosen to look in another direction. Look, I get PFF isn't the best system around.... but every single play is reviewed and given a positive or negative score. As basic as that sounds who else on BBI is doing this? Are you guys re-watching the new coaches tapes available and grading where he was on every play? If not, forgive me, but I'll trust what they are doing over some posters faulty memories sitting on their couches doing nothing. Do I think Adams was great? No. Do I think he's a playmaker? No. Do I think he was better than he's getting credit for? Absolutely.
Experience and he can play multiple positions plus special teams in a pinch. Jadar needs a year on the PS.
Health is the only issue.
If this unit and the DL stay healthy, and Apple, Thompson, Okwara, Tomlinson develop, we'll be a top 3 defense despite the brutal schedule. I believe that wholeheartedly.
He could have been excellent in man coverage or in the right spots and the QB could have just chosen to look in another direction. Look, I get PFF isn't the best system around.... but every single play is reviewed and given a positive or negative score. As basic as that sounds who else on BBI is doing this? Are you guys re-watching the new coaches tapes available and grading where he was on every play? If not, forgive me, but I'll trust what they are doing over some posters faulty memories sitting on their couches doing nothing. Do I think Adams was great? No. Do I think he's a playmaker? No. Do I think he was better than he's getting credit for? Absolutely.
This. I can't understand the fan who shits on Adams and has no compunction about saying Leon Hall needs to be brought back. Adams may have been lapped by Hall in GB due to lack of experience and freshman slumping towards the end of 2016, but Hall was benched and put on the inactive roster for weeks because he doesn't offer anything as a slot corner. And an addendum to that is: Hall didn't look too great as the starting FS, championing our worst defensive outing of the year in GB.
this a thousand times, but if you have people unqualified to grade plays, is that really a system to rely on?
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Look, I get PFF isn't the best system around.... but every single play is reviewed and given a positive or negative score. As basic as that sounds who else on BBI is doing this?
PFF uses a system that grades plays and then makes an average - if the reviewer can't make a judgment about a play, he gives it a 0 which artificially lowers or raises the grade, based on how many plays he can't grade. People delude themselves into thinking there is a validity to the grades, even though the methodology is extremely flawed.
He could have been excellent in man coverage or in the right spots and the QB could have just chosen to look in another direction. Look, I get PFF isn't the best system around.... but every single play is reviewed and given a positive or negative score. As basic as that sounds who else on BBI is doing this? Are you guys re-watching the new coaches tapes available and grading where he was on every play? If not, forgive me, but I'll trust what they are doing over some posters faulty memories sitting on their couches doing nothing. Do I think Adams was great? No. Do I think he's a playmaker? No. Do I think he was better than he's getting credit for? Absolutely.
Agreed.
I like Adams. I also think he was better than he's been getting credit for and may make yet another leap. I'd like to see Thompson... but only because of all the hoopla about the guy. But I wouldn't be disappointed if Adams get the starting nod again. And think it would be foolish to cut him.
can be brought in for depth. He's now 2 years removed from surgery, so he should be in better shape than last year, imo. Whether he's toast or en route to being, hopefully the Giants will have enough interest to see..
Bringing Hall back in gives the Giants very SOLID depth. With the amount of DB injuries the past few years, this is a priority.
It doesn't matter what PFF thinks about Andrew Adams.
The only thing that matters is what the Giants think about him, and even though the coaching staff has said that the competition for the starting FS job is an open one - that they're not going to just hand it over to Darian Thompson (assuming he's healthy) - you have to figure that they'd like to see the guy they invested a 3rd round pick in last year win the job outright this summer. Adams may not have been a complete and total disaster last year, but let's face it - he didn't even make the final 53, and only got elevated from the PS after injuries to both Thompsons and Nat Berhe left the Giants desperate. I honestly don't think he's in danger of getting cut, but I wouldn't put money on him starting unless Darian Thompson gets hurt again (God forbid).
it looks like the Giants aren't even looking for someone better than Adams....
This won't be the first or second time, Reese has failed at this position....
What are you talking about?
The Giants have had an inordinate amount of bad luck when it comes to their safeties and injuries. How, exactly, is that Reese's fault?
And the Giants don't have to look anywhere other than their own roster for a player better than Adams. Darian Thompson and Nat Berhe both made the team ahead of Adams last year. The odds are that Mykkele Thompson would have, too, if he'd not gotten hurt. Jadar Johnson and Eric Pinkins could give Adams a run for his money this summer.
Webb had better be a real threat to be Eli's replacement and not be Ryan Nassib.
At safety, as much as I like Jadar Johnson, if Darian Thompson and Andrew Adams are both healthy, I don't think Johnson will make the final 53 unless the Giants keep five safeties. Three free safeties and no strong safety backup to Collins doesn't seem right (unless they figure Thompson or Adams could do double-duty). I figure Pinkins has the inside track for the 4th safety spot because of his versatility. Personally, I want no part of Nat Berhe and his "nobody lives forever" attitude.
And the G-men need a back up physical safety (I hate to use the word strong safety because the GIANTS safeties are more or less interchangeable, but there's always one guy who figures more prominently in the run game) so it's Berhe or Pinkins instead of Johnson.
Or maybe even both of them on the roster if they think Pinkins can contribute more as a 5th S, special teamer, and emergency LB than somebody else who is a 9th OL or a 7th pure LB or a pure FB or an extra TE.
When a starting DB goes down for the year its crushing to your defensive scheme.
S is a position where you should make splash plays because you're unblocked (free to run to the ball). Adams showed no signs of making those kind of plays. Contrast that to Berhe, who injected a physicality into the game whenever he was on the field. Not only is he a big hitter he reads plays quickly so he's always lurking. RB, WR, TE - you better f#cking know where Nat Berhe is.
All that said - I do think Adams is a solid #4 on merit and still young. I see Pinkins making it as a 5th S/6th CB/6th LB who has also shown an excellent special teams set.
Its a little bit different than any other player in the sense that he has had multiple head injuries and has a vicious style of play that lends himself to injuring himself again. If Nat can learn to play under control and tackle properly so to not put his head at risk, the guy has the talent to be the 3rd Safety.
But it's not just his casual disregard for his own health that troubles me (even if it doesn't trouble him), it's the fact that, as the old saying goes, "the best ability is availability," and Berhe has yet to show that he understands that. It doesn't matter to me how much talent he has if he's on IR or back in the concussion protocol again.
If your looking for him, he usually will come into your tv-screen view about 2 seconds after the play is over...
And agree, I pick on him.
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on a bit around here. Maybe I didn't focus on his game much? I figured he's closer to a lock on the bubble giving his experience and adequate performance... I'll be looking at him in the preseason I guess.
If your looking for him, he usually will come into your tv-screen view about 2 seconds after the play is over...
And agree, I pick on him.
I looked at his stats, in 14 games (13 starts) he had 1 int, 30 tackles, and 5 passes defended.
Which is below the output from Landon Collins rookie season and well below Landon Collins last year. Of course, Landon Collins is an all-pro safety. Okay, I'm a bit more on board now. I hope Darian Thompson comes back.
Really can't argue with much.
I personally think Pinkins makes it contingent on the injury situation
Btw - illusive may be a typo. I think you meant elusive
Health is the only issue.
If this unit and the DL stay healthy, and Apple, Thompson, Okwara, Tomlinson develop, we'll be a top 3 defense despite the brutal schedule. I believe that wholeheartedly.
This. I can't understand the fan who shits on Adams and has no compunction about saying Leon Hall needs to be brought back. Adams may have been lapped by Hall in GB due to lack of experience and freshman slumping towards the end of 2016, but Hall was benched and put on the inactive roster for weeks because he doesn't offer anything as a slot corner. And an addendum to that is: Hall didn't look too great as the starting FS, championing our worst defensive outing of the year in GB.
PFF uses a system that grades plays and then makes an average - if the reviewer can't make a judgment about a play, he gives it a 0 which artificially lowers or raises the grade, based on how many plays he can't grade. People delude themselves into thinking there is a validity to the grades, even though the methodology is extremely flawed.
Agreed.
I like Adams. I also think he was better than he's been getting credit for and may make yet another leap. I'd like to see Thompson... but only because of all the hoopla about the guy. But I wouldn't be disappointed if Adams get the starting nod again. And think it would be foolish to cut him.
I have more faith in him as a starter over Berhe.
Bringing Hall back in gives the Giants very SOLID depth. With the amount of DB injuries the past few years, this is a priority.
This won't be the first or second time, Reese has failed at this position....
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it looks like the Giants aren't even looking for someone better than Adams....
This won't be the first or second time, Reese has failed at this position....
You really are insufferable.
The Giants have the #1 rated DB corps and you still find a way to bitch and throw an insult Reese's way.
That's a special type of stupid there.
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Problem is,
Doomster : 9:33 am : link : reply
it looks like the Giants aren't even looking for someone better than Adams....
This won't be the first or second time, Reese has failed at this position....
You really are insufferable.
The Giants have the #1 rated DB corps and you still find a way to bitch and throw an insult Reese's way.
That's a special type of stupid there.
Except, the number 1 ranking is by PFF, so right there, you can place the ranking in a dumpster...😜😜😜
This won't be the first or second time, Reese has failed at this position....
What are you talking about?
The Giants have had an inordinate amount of bad luck when it comes to their safeties and injuries. How, exactly, is that Reese's fault?
And the Giants don't have to look anywhere other than their own roster for a player better than Adams. Darian Thompson and Nat Berhe both made the team ahead of Adams last year. The odds are that Mykkele Thompson would have, too, if he'd not gotten hurt. Jadar Johnson and Eric Pinkins could give Adams a run for his money this summer.