He wonders if the Yanks are now primed to trade Betances. He puts out that the value Betances has is similar to Miller last year, plus he is owed less money.
Betances still has a year or two of control which teams love.
Chapman DOES have a FULL no-trade clause- as well as 3 more years remaining on his deal. However, I think that there may be a possibility that he might agree to a deal with strong contenders.
I think Betances has more value to the Yanks because of his flexibility (can pitch anywhere from the 6th to the 9th)- Chapman is more of a "fixed use" reliever- which might not help the team.
Some teams do not appear worried about reliever salary as long as team control remains- the Nats and Dodgers are the teams most often connected to late inning relief- especially lefty relievers- but there may be others.
I think that DRob gives the Yanks the flexibility to explore if Chapman will waive his no-trade and if other teams will be willing to give up a strong trade package.
a lot more consistently good, and arrow up re market value, than Betances down-leaning consistency has been the last one year?
Somebody would be overpaying if they sent a Frazier-level prospect.
You can short-leash him in the 7th/early 8th, and quick-pull if his pitch speed/location are erratic. I think it'd be a mistake to move him for Joe Boxodonuts.
But what do I know.
He still leads all relievers this season in K-rate and has one of the lowest HR rates too. I thought the purpose of yesterday's trade was to compete now. Trading Dellin would help achieve that goal how?
He wonders if the Yanks are now primed to trade Betances. He puts out that the value Betances has is similar to Miller last year, plus he is owed less money.
Betances still has a year or two of control which teams love.
D'uh. Let's see. The Nationals think they have a good enough team to win it all, but they still need a closer (who wants to go into the playoffs with Doolittle and Madsen as closers; they weren't good enough to close for Oakland). Arizona has a good team and they are obviously going for it but they have Rodney closing. Good luck in the playoffs with him. Texas, which has a chance, has no closers at all. You bet Betances would be attractive.
and get good value. Not sure you could trade Chapman to Nats but he would be more effective in NL and would also bring back value. Since Yanks now have depth in bullpen both are possible. Trading either for prospects could be done but Yanks need a starting pitcher.
RE: They're not trading Betances. There going for the Royals model Â
It's the response to all the pissing and moaning about trading an A level outfield prospect. Yankees could easily trade one of the relievers if they wanted to and replace the prospect and then some.
Well, ok. But Stanton, Nelson and even Wetteland aren't quite Betances level. And let's be honest. It was more like Nelson, Stanton, Rivera, Rivera during the postseason. :)
Can this team ever get a dominant start in a rubber game? Â
Hopefully he can limit the damage. Never too early to go to Chad Green.
I don't see it yet consistency-wise with Monty. He's had a few good games but he's shit the bed the last three or four. Hopefully just a bump in the road.
Trade with the aforementioned Astros, Rangers, Nationals etc who may be going for it all, with our main get being an agreed to SP as a "player to Be Named Later" that we get after the season.
We would have some protection with a fall back player(s) if the agreed to one is injured, shits in the bed etc.
Five personnel men contacted about the Yankees-White Sox trade understood Chicago’s motivation, but really liked it for New York.
In fact, an executive for one AL postseason contender texted, “I hate that they did this!!!” because it fortified the Yankees for the playoff run.
The general sentiment was summed up by another AL official, who wrote: “I liked the deal for the Yankees because it was a creative problem-solving deal. They addressed a number of areas and were essentially able to avoid compromising the strength of the 2018, ’19 and ‘20 teams.”
One element that came up was the lack of universal love for Blake Rutherford, who was the key prospect for the White Sox. Not one executive spoken to felt Rutherford had the tools to remain in center field, and many wondered if he would develop enough power long term to justify a corner outfield spot.
One NL executive likened this to the White Sox getting Lucas Giolito in the offseason as part of the package from the Nationals for Adam Eaton, saying: “The Nationals had internally soured on Giolito and wanted to trade him before the whole sport caught on. I sense the Yankees traded Rutherford at the top of his market, when the buzz was still good.”
The Yanks felt from the time of drafting him in the first round in 2015 that Rutherford would take a while to fill out, but that once he did he could be a Paul O’Neill-type hitter.
Five personnel men contacted about the Yankees-White Sox trade understood Chicago’s motivation, but really liked it for New York.
In fact, an executive for one AL postseason contender texted, “I hate that they did this!!!” because it fortified the Yankees for the playoff run.
The general sentiment was summed up by another AL official, who wrote: “I liked the deal for the Yankees because it was a creative problem-solving deal. They addressed a number of areas and were essentially able to avoid compromising the strength of the 2018, ’19 and ‘20 teams.”
One element that came up was the lack of universal love for Blake Rutherford, who was the key prospect for the White Sox. Not one executive spoken to felt Rutherford had the tools to remain in center field, and many wondered if he would develop enough power long term to justify a corner outfield spot.
One NL executive likened this to the White Sox getting Lucas Giolito in the offseason as part of the package from the Nationals for Adam Eaton, saying: “The Nationals had internally soured on Giolito and wanted to trade him before the whole sport caught on. I sense the Yankees traded Rutherford at the top of his market, when the buzz was still good.”
The Yanks felt from the time of drafting him in the first round in 2015 that Rutherford would take a while to fill out, but that once he did he could be a Paul O’Neill-type hitter.
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Yeah, apparently the word was getting out on Rutherford(Law was really down on him in his mid-season report), so the Yanks made a good move for sure.
Francesa thinks Betances will definitely be traded in the offseason Â
Says they don't wanna pay him a long term deal and can get a good pair of prospects back
That is a very wise move IMO. The Yankees could get a couple of very good prospects for him and with the way relievers break down it is wise to sell high. The Yankees will have free agency to replace him while strengthening their farm system.
RE: Francesa thinks Betances will definitely be traded in the offseason Â
Says they don't wanna pay him a long term deal and can get a good pair of prospects back
I think that would be foolish.
I still think that moving Chapman should be the priority. He is signed for 3 more years (though he does have an opt-out after 2019). I just do not believe that he will be able to maintain his dominance that long.
Betances is also now in his best role- the guy who comes into any situation between the 6th and the end of the game to get big outs. He is also year-to-year in arbitration for 3 more years, so there is absolutely no reason for the Yanks to give him a long term deal or do anything other than go to the arbitration table annually- just don't let Levine go with him.
I think having DRob and Kahnle gives the Yanks enough late inning depth to trade Chapman- who, while he would have to waive his no-trade clause, might relish going to a long term contender. It isn't like he has a long history with the Yanks or has become used to winning with the Yanks.
From a practical- and usage point of view- the shorter contract with DRob- and the ability to just go to arbitration 3 times with Betances and Kahnle rather than require long term deals to keep them- should push the Yanks toward cutting ties with Chapman.
it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.
Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.
it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.
Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.
It's not happening, but how funny would that be if we raided the Cubs AGAIN for Chapman? Lol
After last year's Chapman deal and this year's Quintana deal Â
it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.
Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.
They'll take on the money but they're not going to give anywhere near the return of prospects that teams would for Betances.
If the Nationals flame out again because of their bullpen, with Harper heading into free agency, would they give up Robles for Betances? Maybe maybe not, but I bet they'd consider it. For Chapman? Not a chance
Betances still has a year or two of control which teams love.
I think Betances has more value to the Yanks because of his flexibility (can pitch anywhere from the 6th to the 9th)- Chapman is more of a "fixed use" reliever- which might not help the team.
Some teams do not appear worried about reliever salary as long as team control remains- the Nats and Dodgers are the teams most often connected to late inning relief- especially lefty relievers- but there may be others.
I think that DRob gives the Yanks the flexibility to explore if Chapman will waive his no-trade and if other teams will be willing to give up a strong trade package.
Somebody would be overpaying if they sent a Frazier-level prospect.
You can short-leash him in the 7th/early 8th, and quick-pull if his pitch speed/location are erratic. I think it'd be a mistake to move him for Joe Boxodonuts.
But what do I know.
Betances still has a year or two of control which teams love.
What planet am I on?
Holy shit.
It's the Yankees model. They used it during their dynasty run.
Already missed the boat there. His value keeps dropping with his post-ASB slump!!
Nope. They should trade him too.
Well, ok. But Stanton, Nelson and even Wetteland aren't quite Betances level. And let's be honest. It was more like Nelson, Stanton, Rivera, Rivera during the postseason. :)
6-0 to the juggernaut twins.
Garbage starting pitching
I don't see it yet consistency-wise with Monty. He's had a few good games but he's shit the bed the last three or four. Hopefully just a bump in the road.
We would have some protection with a fall back player(s) if the agreed to one is injured, shits in the bed etc.
OK kinda crazy.
I hope you mean "today" because he has a great curveball most days.
- Headley will be getting a "crash course" at 1st base
Heaven forbid Chase actually ride the pine for a while.
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That Montgomery has a good curveball. He doesn't
I hope you mean "today" because he has a great curveball most days.
Yes that's how I meant it
In fact, an executive for one AL postseason contender texted, “I hate that they did this!!!” because it fortified the Yankees for the playoff run.
The general sentiment was summed up by another AL official, who wrote: “I liked the deal for the Yankees because it was a creative problem-solving deal. They addressed a number of areas and were essentially able to avoid compromising the strength of the 2018, ’19 and ‘20 teams.”
One element that came up was the lack of universal love for Blake Rutherford, who was the key prospect for the White Sox. Not one executive spoken to felt Rutherford had the tools to remain in center field, and many wondered if he would develop enough power long term to justify a corner outfield spot.
One NL executive likened this to the White Sox getting Lucas Giolito in the offseason as part of the package from the Nationals for Adam Eaton, saying: “The Nationals had internally soured on Giolito and wanted to trade him before the whole sport caught on. I sense the Yankees traded Rutherford at the top of his market, when the buzz was still good.”
The Yanks felt from the time of drafting him in the first round in 2015 that Rutherford would take a while to fill out, but that once he did he could be a Paul O’Neill-type hitter.
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I really like him, but I just don't trust relievers long term.
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Five personnel men contacted about the Yankees-White Sox trade understood Chicago’s motivation, but really liked it for New York.
In fact, an executive for one AL postseason contender texted, “I hate that they did this!!!” because it fortified the Yankees for the playoff run.
The general sentiment was summed up by another AL official, who wrote: “I liked the deal for the Yankees because it was a creative problem-solving deal. They addressed a number of areas and were essentially able to avoid compromising the strength of the 2018, ’19 and ‘20 teams.”
One element that came up was the lack of universal love for Blake Rutherford, who was the key prospect for the White Sox. Not one executive spoken to felt Rutherford had the tools to remain in center field, and many wondered if he would develop enough power long term to justify a corner outfield spot.
One NL executive likened this to the White Sox getting Lucas Giolito in the offseason as part of the package from the Nationals for Adam Eaton, saying: “The Nationals had internally soured on Giolito and wanted to trade him before the whole sport caught on. I sense the Yankees traded Rutherford at the top of his market, when the buzz was still good.”
The Yanks felt from the time of drafting him in the first round in 2015 that Rutherford would take a while to fill out, but that once he did he could be a Paul O’Neill-type hitter.
NYPost - ( New Window )
Yeah, apparently the word was getting out on Rutherford(Law was really down on him in his mid-season report), so the Yanks made a good move for sure.
That is a very wise move IMO. The Yankees could get a couple of very good prospects for him and with the way relievers break down it is wise to sell high. The Yankees will have free agency to replace him while strengthening their farm system.
I think that would be foolish.
I still think that moving Chapman should be the priority. He is signed for 3 more years (though he does have an opt-out after 2019). I just do not believe that he will be able to maintain his dominance that long.
Betances is also now in his best role- the guy who comes into any situation between the 6th and the end of the game to get big outs. He is also year-to-year in arbitration for 3 more years, so there is absolutely no reason for the Yanks to give him a long term deal or do anything other than go to the arbitration table annually- just don't let Levine go with him.
I think having DRob and Kahnle gives the Yanks enough late inning depth to trade Chapman- who, while he would have to waive his no-trade clause, might relish going to a long term contender. It isn't like he has a long history with the Yanks or has become used to winning with the Yanks.
From a practical- and usage point of view- the shorter contract with DRob- and the ability to just go to arbitration 3 times with Betances and Kahnle rather than require long term deals to keep them- should push the Yanks toward cutting ties with Chapman.
Apparently Cashman is going all out to put the 2013 pitching staff back together. Dear God.....he's going to try to trade for Boone Logan, isn't he?
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.
Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.
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it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.
Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.
It's not happening, but how funny would that be if we raided the Cubs AGAIN for Chapman? Lol
Cubs system has taken a significant hit. They also wouldn't have any interest trading for Chapman.
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it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller
Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.
Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.
They'll take on the money but they're not going to give anywhere near the return of prospects that teams would for Betances.
If the Nationals flame out again because of their bullpen, with Harper heading into free agency, would they give up Robles for Betances? Maybe maybe not, but I bet they'd consider it. For Chapman? Not a chance