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NFT: Yankees Roster Updates post DRob trade 7/19/17

malslayer : 7/19/2017 12:40 pm
According to the Yankees 40 man roster,

Choi and Refsnyder have been DFA'd and Shreve sent down.

Thinking Choi may elect to become a free agent, and Refsnyder accepts his assignment.
Ken Rosenthal has an intersting thought  
superspynyg : 7/19/2017 12:44 pm : link
He wonders if the Yanks are now primed to trade Betances. He puts out that the value Betances has is similar to Miller last year, plus he is owed less money.

Betances still has a year or two of control which teams love.

If he can get you a Miller-type package  
bceagle05 : 7/19/2017 12:56 pm : link
I think you'd have to do it at this point, given our depth in the bullpen. That would be a ballsy move from Cashman.
I think it would be smarter to see what Chapman can net you  
rich in DC : 7/19/2017 1:08 pm : link
Chapman DOES have a FULL no-trade clause- as well as 3 more years remaining on his deal. However, I think that there may be a possibility that he might agree to a deal with strong contenders.

I think Betances has more value to the Yanks because of his flexibility (can pitch anywhere from the 6th to the 9th)- Chapman is more of a "fixed use" reliever- which might not help the team.

Some teams do not appear worried about reliever salary as long as team control remains- the Nats and Dodgers are the teams most often connected to late inning relief- especially lefty relievers- but there may be others.

I think that DRob gives the Yanks the flexibility to explore if Chapman will waive his no-trade and if other teams will be willing to give up a strong trade package.
Wasn't Miller  
old man : 7/19/2017 1:12 pm : link
a lot more consistently good, and arrow up re market value, than Betances down-leaning consistency has been the last one year?
Somebody would be overpaying if they sent a Frazier-level prospect.
You can short-leash him in the 7th/early 8th, and quick-pull if his pitch speed/location are erratic. I think it'd be a mistake to move him for Joe Boxodonuts.
But what do I know.
Trade Betances?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 1:15 pm : link
He still leads all relievers this season in K-rate and has one of the lowest HR rates too. I thought the purpose of yesterday's trade was to compete now. Trading Dellin would help achieve that goal how?
RE: Ken Rosenthal has an intersting thought  
HomerJones45 : 7/19/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13532362 superspynyg said:
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He wonders if the Yanks are now primed to trade Betances. He puts out that the value Betances has is similar to Miller last year, plus he is owed less money.

Betances still has a year or two of control which teams love.
D'uh. Let's see. The Nationals think they have a good enough team to win it all, but they still need a closer (who wants to go into the playoffs with Doolittle and Madsen as closers; they weren't good enough to close for Oakland). Arizona has a good team and they are obviously going for it but they have Rodney closing. Good luck in the playoffs with him. Texas, which has a chance, has no closers at all. You bet Betances would be attractive.
Trade Betances?  
B in ALB : 7/19/2017 1:19 pm : link
Trade Chapman?

What planet am I on?

Holy shit.
They're not trading Betances. There going for the Royals model  
Heisenberg : 7/19/2017 1:22 pm : link
of decent starting pitching and a really short game.
Could trade Betances  
averagejoe : 7/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
and get good value. Not sure you could trade Chapman to Nats but he would be more effective in NL and would also bring back value. Since Yanks now have depth in bullpen both are possible. Trading either for prospects could be done but Yanks need a starting pitcher.

RE: They're not trading Betances. There going for the Royals model  
BigBlueShock : 7/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13532446 Heisenberg said:
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of decent starting pitching and a really short game.

It's the Yankees model. They used it during their dynasty run.
Bullpen  
BigBlueShock : 7/19/2017 1:31 pm : link
Nelson, Stanton, Rivera, Wetteland...game over
Maybe they should trade Judge too  
B in ALB : 7/19/2017 1:31 pm : link
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RE: Maybe they should trade Judge too  
giants#1 : 7/19/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13532464 B in ALB said:
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Already missed the boat there. His value keeps dropping with his post-ASB slump!!
RE: Maybe they should trade Judge too  
HomerJones45 : 7/19/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13532464 B in ALB said:
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It's the response to all the pissing and moaning about trading an A level outfield prospect. Yankees could easily trade one of the relievers if they wanted to and replace the prospect and then some.
Damn this kid Frazier is good.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 1:43 pm : link
He has to play EVERY day.
a little surprised they're keeping Cessa and Smith on the 25-man  
Del Shofner : 7/19/2017 1:46 pm : link
over Shreve and Mitchell, but I guess it's just the Scranton Shuttle and we'll see all of them at some point.
RE: Damn this kid Frazier is good.  
B in ALB : 7/19/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13532481 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He has to play EVERY day.


Nope. They should trade him too.
RE: Bullpen  
Heisenberg : 7/19/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13532463 BigBlueShock said:
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Nelson, Stanton, Rivera, Wetteland...game over


Well, ok. But Stanton, Nelson and even Wetteland aren't quite Betances level. And let's be honest. It was more like Nelson, Stanton, Rivera, Rivera during the postseason. :)
Can this team ever get a dominant start in a rubber game?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 2:02 pm : link
Jeez.
Fortunately  
Phil in LA : 7/19/2017 2:03 pm : link
both of Monty's hangers have stayed in the park. We should be able to come back.
.096 hitter  
Kyle in NY : 7/19/2017 2:04 pm : link
with the two out hit with RISP
Keep in mind  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 2:05 pm : link
Torreyes had to catch a rocket with 2 outs or they would be down 5-0 already.
Monty has been awful so far.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 2:08 pm : link
Hopefully he can limit the damage. Never too early to go to Chad Green.
ugh  
Phil in LA : 7/19/2017 2:09 pm : link
terrible inning.
This is awful pitching  
Kyle in NY : 7/19/2017 2:10 pm : link
Montgomery giving them no length lately
Nope...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 2:10 pm : link
Monty shits the bed.
Montgomery pitching his ass off today  
B in ALB : 7/19/2017 2:10 pm : link
Well done sir.

6-0 to the juggernaut twins.
Sweet  
Kyle in NY : 7/19/2017 2:11 pm : link
checking out of this one. Still can't win a series.

Garbage starting pitching
Great job by Monty.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/19/2017 2:11 pm : link
Man, our rotation needs a couple upgrades in the worst way. It's pretty shit.
I saw a stat that said their starting pitching ERA in their rubber  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 2:11 pm : link
games since the Angels road series is 10+ and that was before today.
God damnit  
bigbluehoya : 7/19/2017 2:11 pm : link
Fucking belt-high spinner
RE: Monty has been awful so far.  
Dang Man : 7/19/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13532513 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Hopefully he can limit the damage. Never too early to go to Chad Green.


I don't see it yet consistency-wise with Monty. He's had a few good games but he's shit the bed the last three or four. Hopefully just a bump in the road.
They're lucky not to be down 9 runs right now  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 2:12 pm : link
...
Romine seems under the impression  
Kyle in NY : 7/19/2017 2:13 pm : link
That Montgomery has a good curveball. He doesn't
I guess Joe won't have to worry about making sure Romine  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 2:14 pm : link
catches Monty anymore.
Chicago talk radio  
Jay in Toronto : 7/19/2017 2:19 pm : link
has the Yanks getting Frazier to keep him from big bad Boston.
Could this even be done???  
Jay in Toronto : 7/19/2017 2:22 pm : link
Trade with the aforementioned Astros, Rangers, Nationals etc who may be going for it all, with our main get being an agreed to SP as a "player to Be Named Later" that we get after the season.

We would have some protection with a fall back player(s) if the agreed to one is injured, shits in the bed etc.

OK kinda crazy.
RE: Romine seems under the impression  
RasputinPrime : 7/19/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13532528 Kyle in NY said:
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That Montgomery has a good curveball. He doesn't


I hope you mean "today" because he has a great curveball most days.
Joe says...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/19/2017 4:40 pm : link
- Frazier is now everyday starting 3rd baseman
- Headley will be getting a "crash course" at 1st base

Heaven forbid Chase actually ride the pine for a while.
RE: RE: Romine seems under the impression  
Kyle in NY : 7/19/2017 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13532662 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 13532528 Kyle in NY said:


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That Montgomery has a good curveball. He doesn't



I hope you mean "today" because he has a great curveball most days.


Yes that's how I meant it
Some interesting thoughts/quotes from Joel Sherman's story...  
bceagle05 : 7/19/2017 4:55 pm : link
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Five personnel men contacted about the Yankees-White Sox trade understood Chicago’s motivation, but really liked it for New York.

In fact, an executive for one AL postseason contender texted, “I hate that they did this!!!” because it fortified the Yankees for the playoff run.

The general sentiment was summed up by another AL official, who wrote: “I liked the deal for the Yankees because it was a creative problem-solving deal. They addressed a number of areas and were essentially able to avoid compromising the strength of the 2018, ’19 and ‘20 teams.”

One element that came up was the lack of universal love for Blake Rutherford, who was the key prospect for the White Sox. Not one executive spoken to felt Rutherford had the tools to remain in center field, and many wondered if he would develop enough power long term to justify a corner outfield spot.

One NL executive likened this to the White Sox getting Lucas Giolito in the offseason as part of the package from the Nationals for Adam Eaton, saying: “The Nationals had internally soured on Giolito and wanted to trade him before the whole sport caught on. I sense the Yankees traded Rutherford at the top of his market, when the buzz was still good.”

The Yanks felt from the time of drafting him in the first round in 2015 that Rutherford would take a while to fill out, but that once he did he could be a Paul O’Neill-type hitter.

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I would be for trading Betances  
MookGiants : 7/19/2017 5:17 pm : link
if the package is big, as I suspect it would be.

I really like him, but I just don't trust relievers long term.
RE: Some interesting thoughts/quotes from Joel Sherman's story...  
Stan in LA : 7/19/2017 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13532700 bceagle05 said:
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Five personnel men contacted about the Yankees-White Sox trade understood Chicago’s motivation, but really liked it for New York.

In fact, an executive for one AL postseason contender texted, “I hate that they did this!!!” because it fortified the Yankees for the playoff run.

The general sentiment was summed up by another AL official, who wrote: “I liked the deal for the Yankees because it was a creative problem-solving deal. They addressed a number of areas and were essentially able to avoid compromising the strength of the 2018, ’19 and ‘20 teams.”

One element that came up was the lack of universal love for Blake Rutherford, who was the key prospect for the White Sox. Not one executive spoken to felt Rutherford had the tools to remain in center field, and many wondered if he would develop enough power long term to justify a corner outfield spot.

One NL executive likened this to the White Sox getting Lucas Giolito in the offseason as part of the package from the Nationals for Adam Eaton, saying: “The Nationals had internally soured on Giolito and wanted to trade him before the whole sport caught on. I sense the Yankees traded Rutherford at the top of his market, when the buzz was still good.”

The Yanks felt from the time of drafting him in the first round in 2015 that Rutherford would take a while to fill out, but that once he did he could be a Paul O’Neill-type hitter.

NYPost - ( New Window )


Yeah, apparently the word was getting out on Rutherford(Law was really down on him in his mid-season report), so the Yanks made a good move for sure.
Francesa thinks Betances will definitely be traded in the offseason  
DennyInDenville : 7/19/2017 7:21 pm : link
Says they don't wanna pay him a long term deal and can get a good pair of prospects back
RE: Francesa thinks Betances will definitely be traded in the offseason  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2017 10:06 am : link
In comment 13532792 DennyInDenville said:
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Says they don't wanna pay him a long term deal and can get a good pair of prospects back

That is a very wise move IMO. The Yankees could get a couple of very good prospects for him and with the way relievers break down it is wise to sell high. The Yankees will have free agency to replace him while strengthening their farm system.
RE: Francesa thinks Betances will definitely be traded in the offseason  
rich in DC : 7/20/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13532792 DennyInDenville said:
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Says they don't wanna pay him a long term deal and can get a good pair of prospects back


I think that would be foolish.

I still think that moving Chapman should be the priority. He is signed for 3 more years (though he does have an opt-out after 2019). I just do not believe that he will be able to maintain his dominance that long.

Betances is also now in his best role- the guy who comes into any situation between the 6th and the end of the game to get big outs. He is also year-to-year in arbitration for 3 more years, so there is absolutely no reason for the Yanks to give him a long term deal or do anything other than go to the arbitration table annually- just don't let Levine go with him.

I think having DRob and Kahnle gives the Yanks enough late inning depth to trade Chapman- who, while he would have to waive his no-trade clause, might relish going to a long term contender. It isn't like he has a long history with the Yanks or has become used to winning with the Yanks.

From a practical- and usage point of view- the shorter contract with DRob- and the ability to just go to arbitration 3 times with Betances and Kahnle rather than require long term deals to keep them- should push the Yanks toward cutting ties with Chapman.
10  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:36 am : link
teams in on Phelps including the Yankees but the Mariners apparently are "close" to landing him.
RE: 10  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13533161 DanMetroMan said:
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teams in on Phelps including the Yankees but the Mariners apparently are "close" to landing him.


Apparently Cashman is going all out to put the 2013 pitching staff back together. Dear God.....he's going to try to trade for Boone Logan, isn't he?
rich  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2017 11:00 am : link
it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller

Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues
RE: rich  
rich in DC : 7/20/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13533206 Kyle in NY said:
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it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller

Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues


If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.

Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.
RE: RE: rich  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13533258 rich in DC said:
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In comment 13533206 Kyle in NY said:


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it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller

Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues



If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.

Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.

It's not happening, but how funny would that be if we raided the Cubs AGAIN for Chapman? Lol
After last year's Chapman deal and this year's Quintana deal  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 11:51 am : link
How much do the Cubs have left?
RE: After last year's Chapman deal and this year's Quintana deal  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13533283 Greg from LI said:
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How much do the Cubs have left?


Cubs system has taken a significant hit. They also wouldn't have any interest trading for Chapman.
RE: RE: rich  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13533258 rich in DC said:
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In comment 13533206 Kyle in NY said:


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it's precisely the fact that Betances still has two more controllable seasons that would make him the more likely trade candidate. They'd get a much better package back for him. Maybe something approaching what they got for Andrew Miller

Chapman isn't bringing back much at this point with that contract. He'd likely be worth more to the team if they just kept him and hope he works through his issues



If you are the Washington Nationals or LA Dodgers, who have had bullpen issues (in Washington's case, immense troubles)- and otherwise have a World Series contender on hand now and likely for next year as well, I doubt that another $17M is going to make them say no.

Also, don't ignore the Cubs, who may be trolling for another bullpen arm.


They'll take on the money but they're not going to give anywhere near the return of prospects that teams would for Betances.

If the Nationals flame out again because of their bullpen, with Harper heading into free agency, would they give up Robles for Betances? Maybe maybe not, but I bet they'd consider it. For Chapman? Not a chance
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