what they usually do in cases involving discipline, botch it initially, get public blow back, try and fix it because of the PR issue, then overcompensate.
This might end up hurting the Cowboys more in the end. Zeke probably feels like he can get away with anything right now, which could lead to greater folly down the road. I just hope no one gets seriously hurt in the process.
For all the dorks who get the bends over OBJ, this is what a team-hurting time bomb looks like. The allegations following this guys and the video and police records confirming his behavior just absolutely buries anything OBJ has done.
Settling cases by having the alleged victim accept money from the
accused in return for the victim not filing charges has been around for about 400 years.
Rather play the Cowboys with Zeke anyway. We've got a multimillion dollar run defense. Beat the guy up and may be he'll get off to a much slower start.
This might end up hurting the Cowboys more in the end. Zeke probably feels like he can get away with anything right now, which could lead to greater folly down the road. I just hope no one gets seriously hurt in the process.
And someday when he does an "OJ Simpson", everyone will look back and wonder if they could have stopped it if he was held accountable earlier.
defense flag, but the Cowboys probably have had more suspensions than any other team in the league the past few years and some very high profile questionable on-field calls go against them.
So where are the "typical you knew Jones would just write a check" coming from?
comments probably come from that being the aspect he can actually control. He can't control a player testing positive for PED's. He can control making a witness go away.
Of course, Greg Hardy's witness also failed to testify, but the Panthers were stand-up enough to suspend him on their own.
the Cowboys are gonna have to pass to catch up to our high-octane offense. I hope we get ahead by 2 scores early and they need to rely of Prescott against the #1 secondary in the NFL.
defense flag, but the Cowboys probably have had more suspensions than any other team in the league the past few years and some very high profile questionable on-field calls go against them.
So where are the "typical you knew Jones would just write a check" coming from?
To be fair, the Dez call only happens thanks to some shitty officiating the prior week against Detroit. Dallas should've been 1 and done that year.
comments probably come from that being the aspect he can actually control. He can't control a player testing positive for PED's. He can control making a witness go away.
Of course, Greg Hardy's witness also failed to testify, but the Panthers were stand-up enough to suspend him on their own.
Who signed him again?
Hardy was a little different. when the Panthers suspended him it was after he was found guilty. He paid off the witness/victim on appeal.
To be similar Elliott would need to be first found guilty and then appeal for a jury trial.
They got to the victim/witnesses earlier in Dallas, but it's hardly unique to Dallas or Jones, it's why Roethlisberger is a free man, it happens throughout sports and hollywood/ the wealthy.
I hate the Cowboys as much as we all do, just don't think they get preferential treatment off or on field and I doubt Jones is any different than most owners with what he's willing to do for his team, though he probably has a lower threshold for who he'll draft/sign than some owners (I won't deny that).
defense flag, but the Cowboys probably have had more suspensions than any other team in the league the past few years and some very high profile questionable on-field calls go against them.
So where are the "typical you knew Jones would just write a check" coming from?
To be fair, the Dez call only happens thanks to some shitty officiating the prior week against Detroit. Dallas should've been 1 and done that year.
Agree, it was terrible in that Lions game, and while people say the Dez call was correct per the letter of the rule, so was the tuck rule and both are shit calls.
found guilty, after the appeal, the Panthers still deactivated him and suspended him even though it was not mandatory that they do so.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
Timing plays a part in it too. IIRC, it was right after the Rice incident and the AP suspension as well. All the public backlash forced them to do something.
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Agree, it was terrible in that Lions game, and while people say the Dez call was correct per the letter of the rule, so was the tuck rule and both are shit calls.
Agreed. I just view the Dez call more as karmic justice than anything. The no call on the PI against DET was as bad or worse IMO.
found guilty, after the appeal, the Panthers still deactivated him and suspended him even though it was not mandatory that they do so.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
I agree.
though it's kind of hazy and I don't feel like Googling it but I don't believe Hardy had his charges dismissed until after the season, but I agree, the Panthers weren't reinstating him.
found guilty, after the appeal, the Panthers still deactivated him and suspended him even though it was not mandatory that they do so.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
Lol. Glass houses. Mara admitted they knew Brown abused his wife
While discussing the teams handling of Browns history of domestic violence, Mara acknowledged that he knew of Browns past and that the team was aware of a specific incident at the Pro Bowl during which the NFL was forced to intervene on the behalf of Browns ex-wife.
They signed him. Got the league to give him a slap on the wrist and had to release him in response to public pressure. What an oblivious person you are when you're chugging kool aid.
found guilty, after the appeal, the Panthers still deactivated him and suspended him even though it was not mandatory that they do so.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
Lol. Glass houses. Mara admitted they knew Brown abused his wife
While discussing the teams handling of Browns history of domestic violence, Mara acknowledged that he knew of Browns past and that the team was aware of a specific incident at the Pro Bowl during which the NFL was forced to intervene on the behalf of Browns ex-wife.
They signed him. Got the league to give him a slap on the wrist and had to release him in response to public pressure. What an oblivious person you are when you're chugging kool aid.
Jerry Jones pulls a move straight from a Sopranos episode and you want to compare it to Josh Brown? Lol such a donk.
Let him play week 1. His 80 yards on 30 carries won't matter.
playing last year, but I see no shame in admitting I'd rather he not play. I'd rather Prescott and Bryant not play too. Witten and Beasley too. Beasley should be suspended for that ugly Chris Elliott troll doll hair he has.
week 1 is just 1 of 16, win any way you can, accumulate wins and get in the playoffs.
to come on here and defend his team full of criminals and malcontents led by a sketchy morally bankrupt owner supported by the most deluded fan base on the planet.
Dallas has won how many playoff games in the last two decades? I'll give you a hint - it's one less than the Jacksonville Jaguars.
and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
the state decided not to even charge him. They didn't even charge him and he didn't pay off anyone, his wife (ex?) cooperated and was interviewed.
comments probably come from that being the aspect he can actually control. He can't control a player testing positive for PED's. He can control making a witness go away.
Of course, Greg Hardy's witness also failed to testify, but the Panthers were stand-up enough to suspend him on their own.
Who signed him again?
Hardy was a little different. when the Panthers suspended him it was after he was found guilty. He paid off the witness/victim on appeal.
To be similar Elliott would need to be first found guilty and then appeal for a jury trial.
They got to the victim/witnesses earlier in Dallas, but it's hardly unique to Dallas or Jones, it's why Roethlisberger is a free man, it happens throughout sports and hollywood/ the wealthy.
I hate the Cowboys as much as we all do, just don't think they get preferential treatment off or on field and I doubt Jones is any different than most owners with what he's willing to do for his team, though he probably has a lower threshold for who he'll draft/sign than some owners (I won't deny that).
Yes. They managed to get to the victim before the police on the night of the incident.
Giants fan logic: Victim provides wrong name to police because the Cowboys organization beat the police to the scene is more likely than reporters running with a story that turned out to be false. Yall dumb as hell
and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
Over twenty instances of domestic violence.
I think you need to look up the word guilty.
It has a specific meaning.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a piece of shit and the Giants handled the situation properly, but to say Brown is guilty and Elliott isn't is a 100% fabrication. Show me where Brown was convicted (or even charged) with anything./
and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
Over twenty instances of domestic violence.
I think you need to look up the word guilty.
It has a specific meaning.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a piece of shit and the Giants handled the situation properly, but to say Brown is guilty and Elliott isn't is a 100% fabrication. Show me where Brown was convicted (or even charged) with anything./
Semantics. He confessed to 20 instances to his psychiatrist. The model Giants kept him on long after they were aware.
Who say "semantics" as if the meanings of words are arbitrary facts rather than the meat of an argument.
Got to love hypocrites who think a 20 time DV case enabled by the Giants is nothing compared to an obviously false DV accusation from someone who was caught recruiting people to lie on their behalf.
Who say "semantics" as if the meanings of words are arbitrary facts rather than the meat of an argument.
Got to love hypocrites who think a 20 time DV case enabled by the Giants is nothing compared to an obviously false DV accusation from someone who was caught recruiting people to lie on their behalf.
It's you against the world. The big bad Big Blue fans are root of the rot you need to root out. Godspeed.
was not made available (for a variety of reasons) until the whole thing blew up in October, shortly after the Giants released Brown.
Again, not defending the Giants here, but you are going too far.
"He certainly admitted to us that he abused his wife in the past"
Mara before release
And he said he "never hit her" and Mara interviewed him and the evidence available at the time, despite no charges being filed, determined the league suspension was appropriate.
I, for the millionth time, am not defending the Giants, but based on what information was available to Mara at the time what do you think was appropriate for Josh Brown? Beheading? Jail? suspension beyond what the league mandated?
once Mara learned more he acted. THAT is what people suspect Jones would not do.
Who say "semantics" as if the meanings of words are arbitrary facts rather than the meat of an argument.
Got to love hypocrites who think a 20 time DV case enabled by the Giants is nothing compared to an obviously false DV accusation from someone who was caught recruiting people to lie on their behalf.
It's you against the world. The big bad Big Blue fans are root of the rot you need to root out. Godspeed.
Thanks man. Maybe the difference in the two situations would be clearer if ignorance wasn't so popular here.
I didn't say the Giants were a model organization. what I said is that they released a guy under suspicion of domestic abuse, while the Cowboys signed a guy who had already been declared guilty. And the owner went on to call him a team leader.
The liklihood on how they handle Zeke is that they will do nothing.
That doesn't speak to the greatness of the giants - it speaks to the shittiness if Dallas. Did that really need to be clarified?
You're giving the Giants a pat on the back for enabling an abuser and releasing him only after the extent of his abuse became public knowledge. They knew. They kept him. They agreed with a minimal punishment outside of league rules. They did jack until they got exposed. Your organization is as scummy as any out there. Glass houses douchnozzle.
You're giving the Giants a pat on the back for enabling an abuser and releasing him only after the extent of his abuse became public knowledge. They knew. They kept him. They agreed with a minimal punishment outside of league rules. They did jack until they got exposed. Your organization is as scummy as any out there. Glass houses douchnozzle.
The Cowboys have ignored character issues for the better part of the last 30 years. Josh Brown, who is no longer with the Giants, justifies this in your mind?
You're giving the Giants a pat on the back for enabling an abuser and releasing him only after the extent of his abuse became public knowledge. They knew. They kept him. They agreed with a minimal punishment outside of league rules. They did jack until they got exposed. Your organization is as scummy as any out there. Glass houses douchnozzle.
The Cowboys have ignored character issues for the better part of the last 30 years. Josh Brown, who is no longer with the Giants, justifies this in your mind?
Ah yes. I believe their was a Giant who was found of young ladies as well if you're trying to expand your hypocrisy over a longer timeline. He wasn't very well known though.
You're giving the Giants a pat on the back for enabling an abuser and releasing him only after the extent of his abuse became public knowledge. They knew. They kept him. They agreed with a minimal punishment outside of league rules. They did jack until they got exposed. Your organization is as scummy as any out there. Glass houses douchnozzle.
The Cowboys have ignored character issues for the better part of the last 30 years. Josh Brown, who is no longer with the Giants, justifies this in your mind?
Ah yes. I believe their was a Giant who was found of young ladies as well if you're trying to expand your hypocrisy over a longer timeline. He wasn't very well known though.
Yea a handful of Giants vs 50+ cowboys makes everything ok
On NFLArrest since 2000 there have been 15 NYG's arrested and 18 Cowboys.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
On NFLArrest since 2000 there have been 15 NYG's arrested and 18 Cowboys.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
On NFLArrest since 2000 there have been 15 NYG's arrested and 18 Cowboys.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
On NFLArrest since 2000 there have been 15 NYG's arrested and 18 Cowboys.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
On NFLArrest since 2000 there have been 15 NYG's arrested and 18 Cowboys.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
On NFLArrest since 2000 there have been 15 NYG's arrested and 18 Cowboys.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
Well, he should be.
Mike Garafolo Retweeted Rebecca Lopez
Ghosted.
Even the guy who tweeted that he saw the knockout is gone
what they usually do in cases involving discipline, botch it initially, get public blow back, try and fix it because of the PR issue, then overcompensate.
Like ServPro commercial: "Like it never even happened".
No doubt Jerrah had his henchmen intervene.
What a disgusting organization.
moving forward!
Yup. The NFL doesn't tolerate this sort of behavior.
- Michael Irvin.
Rather play the Cowboys with Zeke anyway. We've got a multimillion dollar run defense. Beat the guy up and may be he'll get off to a much slower start.
Probably dodged the speeding ticket going 100 mph as well.
And someday when he does an "OJ Simpson", everyone will look back and wonder if they could have stopped it if he was held accountable earlier.
So where are the "typical you knew Jones would just write a check" coming from?
Of course, Greg Hardy's witness also failed to testify, but the Panthers were stand-up enough to suspend him on their own.
Who signed him again?
So where are the "typical you knew Jones would just write a check" coming from?
To be fair, the Dez call only happens thanks to some shitty officiating the prior week against Detroit. Dallas should've been 1 and done that year.
Of course, Greg Hardy's witness also failed to testify, but the Panthers were stand-up enough to suspend him on their own.
Who signed him again?
Hardy was a little different. when the Panthers suspended him it was after he was found guilty. He paid off the witness/victim on appeal.
To be similar Elliott would need to be first found guilty and then appeal for a jury trial.
They got to the victim/witnesses earlier in Dallas, but it's hardly unique to Dallas or Jones, it's why Roethlisberger is a free man, it happens throughout sports and hollywood/ the wealthy.
I hate the Cowboys as much as we all do, just don't think they get preferential treatment off or on field and I doubt Jones is any different than most owners with what he's willing to do for his team, though he probably has a lower threshold for who he'll draft/sign than some owners (I won't deny that).
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defense flag, but the Cowboys probably have had more suspensions than any other team in the league the past few years and some very high profile questionable on-field calls go against them.
So where are the "typical you knew Jones would just write a check" coming from?
To be fair, the Dez call only happens thanks to some shitty officiating the prior week against Detroit. Dallas should've been 1 and done that year.
Agree, it was terrible in that Lions game, and while people say the Dez call was correct per the letter of the rule, so was the tuck rule and both are shit calls.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
Timing plays a part in it too. IIRC, it was right after the Rice incident and the AP suspension as well. All the public backlash forced them to do something.
Agree, it was terrible in that Lions game, and while people say the Dez call was correct per the letter of the rule, so was the tuck rule and both are shit calls.
Agreed. I just view the Dez call more as karmic justice than anything. The no call on the PI against DET was as bad or worse IMO.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
I agree.
though it's kind of hazy and I don't feel like Googling it but I don't believe Hardy had his charges dismissed until after the season, but I agree, the Panthers weren't reinstating him.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
Lol. Glass houses. Mara admitted they knew Brown abused his wife
While discussing the teams handling of Browns history of domestic violence, Mara acknowledged that he knew of Browns past and that the team was aware of a specific incident at the Pro Bowl during which the NFL was forced to intervene on the behalf of Browns ex-wife.
They signed him. Got the league to give him a slap on the wrist and had to release him in response to public pressure. What an oblivious person you are when you're chugging kool aid.
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
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found guilty, after the appeal, the Panthers still deactivated him and suspended him even though it was not mandatory that they do so.
Do you really think Jones is going to suspend a player unless the league steps in and does it for him?
That's the difference in many franchises vs. Dallas. And it isn't an insignificant difference.
Lol. Glass houses. Mara admitted they knew Brown abused his wife
While discussing the teams handling of Browns history of domestic violence, Mara acknowledged that he knew of Browns past and that the team was aware of a specific incident at the Pro Bowl during which the NFL was forced to intervene on the behalf of Browns ex-wife.
They signed him. Got the league to give him a slap on the wrist and had to release him in response to public pressure. What an oblivious person you are when you're chugging kool aid.
Jerry Jones pulls a move straight from a Sopranos episode and you want to compare it to Josh Brown? Lol such a donk.
Let him play week 1. His 80 yards on 30 carries won't matter.
week 1 is just 1 of 16, win any way you can, accumulate wins and get in the playoffs.
Dallas has won how many playoff games in the last two decades? I'll give you a hint - it's one less than the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
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and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
the state decided not to even charge him. They didn't even charge him and he didn't pay off anyone, his wife (ex?) cooperated and was interviewed.
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comments probably come from that being the aspect he can actually control. He can't control a player testing positive for PED's. He can control making a witness go away.
Of course, Greg Hardy's witness also failed to testify, but the Panthers were stand-up enough to suspend him on their own.
Who signed him again?
Hardy was a little different. when the Panthers suspended him it was after he was found guilty. He paid off the witness/victim on appeal.
To be similar Elliott would need to be first found guilty and then appeal for a jury trial.
They got to the victim/witnesses earlier in Dallas, but it's hardly unique to Dallas or Jones, it's why Roethlisberger is a free man, it happens throughout sports and hollywood/ the wealthy.
I hate the Cowboys as much as we all do, just don't think they get preferential treatment off or on field and I doubt Jones is any different than most owners with what he's willing to do for his team, though he probably has a lower threshold for who he'll draft/sign than some owners (I won't deny that).
Yes. They managed to get to the victim before the police on the night of the incident.
Giants fan logic: Victim provides wrong name to police because the Cowboys organization beat the police to the scene is more likely than reporters running with a story that turned out to be false. Yall dumb as hell
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and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
Over twenty instances of domestic violence.
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and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
Over twenty instances of domestic violence.
I think you need to look up the word guilty.
It has a specific meaning.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a piece of shit and the Giants handled the situation properly, but to say Brown is guilty and Elliott isn't is a 100% fabrication. Show me where Brown was convicted (or even charged) with anything./
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and yet the Giants released Josh Brown without a guilty verdict in a court case
Exactly what punishment is Jones going to hand down to Elliott given the same allegations?
A release? BA HA HA HA
The Giants handed down no punishment. They paid him long after they were aware of the allegations. Sat by while the NFL stumbled through an investigation led by a Giants season ticket holder. Acquiesced to a one game suspension instead of the automatic 6 games. Then saw it all blow up in there face and still held onto Brown. Of the most significant difference is that Brown was guilty of DV. Zeke was not. Model organization my ass.
I'm not saying the Giants are a model organization, I hate that shit, but what was Brown guilty of?
Over twenty instances of domestic violence.
I think you need to look up the word guilty.
It has a specific meaning.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a piece of shit and the Giants handled the situation properly, but to say Brown is guilty and Elliott isn't is a 100% fabrication. Show me where Brown was convicted (or even charged) with anything./
Semantics. He confessed to 20 instances to his psychiatrist. The model Giants kept him on long after they were aware.
Again, not defending the Giants here, but you are going too far.
Again, not defending the Giants here, but you are going too far.
"He certainly admitted to us that he abused his wife in the past"
Mara before release
Got to love hypocrites who think a 20 time DV case enabled by the Giants is nothing compared to an obviously false DV accusation from someone who was caught recruiting people to lie on their behalf.
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Who say "semantics" as if the meanings of words are arbitrary facts rather than the meat of an argument.
Got to love hypocrites who think a 20 time DV case enabled by the Giants is nothing compared to an obviously false DV accusation from someone who was caught recruiting people to lie on their behalf.
It's you against the world. The big bad Big Blue fans are root of the rot you need to root out. Godspeed.
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was not made available (for a variety of reasons) until the whole thing blew up in October, shortly after the Giants released Brown.
Again, not defending the Giants here, but you are going too far.
"He certainly admitted to us that he abused his wife in the past"
Mara before release
And he said he "never hit her" and Mara interviewed him and the evidence available at the time, despite no charges being filed, determined the league suspension was appropriate.
I, for the millionth time, am not defending the Giants, but based on what information was available to Mara at the time what do you think was appropriate for Josh Brown? Beheading? Jail? suspension beyond what the league mandated?
once Mara learned more he acted. THAT is what people suspect Jones would not do.
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In comment 13533388 adamg said:
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Who say "semantics" as if the meanings of words are arbitrary facts rather than the meat of an argument.
Got to love hypocrites who think a 20 time DV case enabled by the Giants is nothing compared to an obviously false DV accusation from someone who was caught recruiting people to lie on their behalf.
It's you against the world. The big bad Big Blue fans are root of the rot you need to root out. Godspeed.
Thanks man. Maybe the difference in the two situations would be clearer if ignorance wasn't so popular here.
If you think for a second they would suspend Zeke before the NFL, you'd have to have an IQ lower than elbowj's.
If you think for a second they would suspend Zeke before the NFL, you'd have to have an IQ lower than elbowj's.
Giants: We were certainly aware of the abuse
Fat Mouth: Model organization
You think other people are stupid?
I didn't say the Giants were a model organization. what I said is that they released a guy under suspicion of domestic abuse, while the Cowboys signed a guy who had already been declared guilty. And the owner went on to call him a team leader.
The liklihood on how they handle Zeke is that they will do nothing.
That doesn't speak to the greatness of the giants - it speaks to the shittiness if Dallas. Did that really need to be clarified?
Otherwise, it is a shitload of false equivalency.
Jerry Jones took Greg Hardy and not only signed him, but openly talked about him as a locker room uniter and team leader.
Somehow you keep trying to deflect the way that looks on the Cowboys by talking about the Giants. Not sure why.
The Cowboys have ignored character issues for the better part of the last 30 years. Josh Brown, who is no longer with the Giants, justifies this in your mind?
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You're giving the Giants a pat on the back for enabling an abuser and releasing him only after the extent of his abuse became public knowledge. They knew. They kept him. They agreed with a minimal punishment outside of league rules. They did jack until they got exposed. Your organization is as scummy as any out there. Glass houses douchnozzle.
The Cowboys have ignored character issues for the better part of the last 30 years. Josh Brown, who is no longer with the Giants, justifies this in your mind?
Ah yes. I believe their was a Giant who was found of young ladies as well if you're trying to expand your hypocrisy over a longer timeline. He wasn't very well known though.
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In comment 13533522 elbowj said:
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You're giving the Giants a pat on the back for enabling an abuser and releasing him only after the extent of his abuse became public knowledge. They knew. They kept him. They agreed with a minimal punishment outside of league rules. They did jack until they got exposed. Your organization is as scummy as any out there. Glass houses douchnozzle.
The Cowboys have ignored character issues for the better part of the last 30 years. Josh Brown, who is no longer with the Giants, justifies this in your mind?
Ah yes. I believe their was a Giant who was found of young ladies as well if you're trying to expand your hypocrisy over a longer timeline. He wasn't very well known though.
Yea a handful of Giants vs 50+ cowboys makes everything ok
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.
According to NFL suspensions also since 2000 NYG's have 10 and Dallas has 13. Of those 13 Rolondo McClain accounts for 4 and Randy Gregory 3, over half the total.
Those numbers are not that great of a difference between the two teams.
Most NY fans perceive Dallas to have a higher number of arrest and suspensions, but Dallas is actually below what would be average for the NFL.